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Following my second viewing, I recalled a great moment I haven't mentioned yet. When they open the dome in Wakanda and the Braveheart style charge starts. Watching Steve and T'Challa sprint ahead of everyone else fills me with a sense of inspiration, watching two of our favorite leaders lead their troops. They didn't make my list of the film's MVPs, neither really goes through any character development, but that is a fantastic moment. 

I really enjoyed watching Thanos even more the second time around. "You should have gone for the head!" was particularly menacing knowing what was coming next. I also realised I was wrong about Peter and Thor. Peter does reveal his recent history with Ego and Yondu to Thor, but he plays it in the Starlord style, which is a shame given how good the Rocket/Thor scenes are. 

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One other favorite moment.... 

"Wong, you're invited to my wedding" 

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So I've decided there's some stuff I'm going to need to see in A4. For starters, I need to see Shuri, Rocket, Tony and Banner in a lab together. With Nebula and/or Thor in the corner to ride herd on Rocket. I also need to see a rousting speech from Thor, doing his best to bring hope to the group because I think he would do it. He's taken a lot of hits (in the space of a week!)  but he comes back each time and is always able to find a glimmer of hope. And I think they're going to need someone to remind them of that. Also, once the dustings have been reversed (as we know they will be no matter what the screenwriters might currently be saying), I need to see Peter Parker and Shuri meeting, flirting, and being mutually pulled apart by an eye-rolling T'Challa and Tony. And I'd also like to get a few Big Damn Heroes moments: Valkayrie charging in the Asgaurdian rement, Kraglin bringing in Ravagers and Nova Prime sending in what's left of the Nova Corp. 

I'd also like to see Pepper and Tony's wedding, along with Cap and Tony making peace. And it's about time the team finds out that Coulson is not dead.

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1 hour ago, Lantern7 said:

"Capsicle"? Ben & Jerry's don't (doesn't?) do popsicles. How about vanilla ice cream with tiny super soldiers embedded inside?

At first I was thinking it should be red, white and blue, like strawberry cheesecake with blueberries. But, now I'm thinking Captain All American: Apple pie flavored ice cream with shortbread chunks (as a substitute for crust) and a light cinnamon swirl. 

@HunterHunted, I love the stout with candied bacon idea, although the cereal milk ice cream is strong, too.

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Saw it yesterday and was amazed how it actually lived up to my expectations. It is crazy how the last year of marvel movies since Guardians 2 have been so good.

Thanos was a pretty great and threatening villain.  Interesting that for all his talk about balancing the universe because of limited resources, with the power of all the stones he probably could have just created more resources. 

I also thought it was interesting that none of the Avengers tried to weaponize any of the stones.

The fight scenes were really welll done and they did a pretty impressive job of keeping track of everyone. In both cases way better than Age of Ultron.

A couple of little things I liked were the distress call at the beginning. Hiddleston's acting made it super chilling. I also liked that M'baku showed up for the final battle, even though he only got one line. It is such a comic book thing to have a character who is sort of important in the solo book show up as a background character in the big cross over.

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Sure that takes a lot of screen time and have the bugler blow the charge is much easier to do time wise. But they keep showing the formation setting their shield wall while the doom held with little sniping covering the obstacle while War Machine did his thing. The infantry was prehistoric tactics of every man for himself melee.

They could have also used the wall as an actual weapon. Open one section to let the bad guys in but open and close it a bunch of times really fast to slice uo anyone who tries to walk through.

Oh yea I also liked seeing the Chautari in the flashback to the attack on Gamora's planet.

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2 hours ago, starri said:

I meant to comment on this early, but I was really impressed that they brought the Iron Spider suit that Tony made for Peter to the screen without it looking as ridiculous as it did in the comics.

I didn't know that the iron suit was from the comics, but it looked damn good on the screen and it was fun how Peter kept discovering something new about the suit. The Hulk's iron suit was also unexpected to me. I would like to see the Hulk actually in the suit at some point. 

6 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

I didn't know that the iron suit was from the comics, but it looked damn good on the screen and it was fun how Peter kept discovering something new about the suit. The Hulk's iron suit was also unexpected to me. I would like to see the Hulk actually in the suit at some point. 

He was in it. Well Bruce anyway was and using it to fight in this movie. I enjoyed those scenes, but it did make me wonder why he couldn't turn into the hulk while watching the movie. Though afterwards I've seen comments about the hulk being afraid of thanos.

8 hours ago, blueray said:

He was in it. Well Bruce anyway was and using it to fight in this movie. I enjoyed those scenes, but it did make me wonder why he couldn't turn into the hulk while watching the movie. Though afterwards I've seen comments about the hulk being afraid of thanos.

Was it just me or did the hulkbuster suit already have damage before the fight started? I guess it was the actual suit from Age of Ultron. Which kind of makes sense that with Tony gone the only available suits might be used ones.

Also thinking about the post-credit scene made me wonder 2 things. Fury said something to Maria Hill about calling in a code red. But what kind of ability to call in anything does Fury have? The world thinks he is dead and the version of SHIELD he knows doesn't exist.

And if Fury had the ability to call Captain Marvel since the 90s why didn't he call her when the Chautari invaded? I had assumed that her movie being set in the 90's meant that she probably disappeared (like to the Negative Zone or something) which would explain why no one mentioned her. But if she has been available since the, what is up with that?

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While I enjoyed many parts of the movie - such as Gamora singing along with "Rubberband Man" - overall I ended up being underwhelmed. Part of it is my deep frustration with the writers having no sense of scale whatsoever. Dr. Strange talked about "trillions" of people being at risk. Really? Merely trillions out of an entire universe where intelligent life is shown to be quite commonplace? Quadrillions wouldn't even be a drop in the ocean. And the assumption that anything off Earth is just Space were any other place is right around the corner, from Titan - was that the Titan of the comics, which coincides the our Titan, the moon of Saturn, or just some "Titan" which is just some random planet, somewhere, out there, in Space? - to Knowhere, to Nidavellir - which is supposed to be one of the Nine Realms all on its own. The lack of imagination that keeps the cosmic stuff from being satisfyingly cosmic, and internally coherent, just grinds at me. They settle for "we think this looks cool" and call it a day.

Several times in my head I was yelling, "Cut off his arm. Cut. Off. His. Arm!"

What is the universal rate of population growth? Thanos is just going to have to start all over again once the population doubles.

Wakanda has cool toys but they need to send some people to war college pronto.

Now, that is what the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak are supposed to look like.

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1 hour ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Also thinking about the post-credit scene made me wonder 2 things. Fury said something to Maria Hill about calling in a code red. But what kind of ability to call in anything does Fury have? The world thinks he is dead and the version of SHIELD he knows doesn't exist.

I kind of figured that was reversed in Ultron where he basically called in a bunch of old Shield buddies (and Helicarrier) for a rescue mission.

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I saw this two days ago and am still obsessing over it. Question: Did Thor remark on Cap's beard at some point in the Wakanda battle, or did I dream that shit up in my head? Because full disclosure, I think about Chris Evans' beard 24/7, and it's entirely possible this scene never happened.

Also, why does everyone assume that Loki, Heimdall and possibly Gamora & Vision are going to stay dead in a film where time travel is a thing? I think Gamora and all who got dusted are in the soul gem, and I'm hoping we get to see these characters interact there. I'm not terribly worried about any of the deaths in this one, but I am terrified at who might die after the time travel shenanigans end in the next film. Losing cap would devastate me! My heart can't handle that. Just let him and Bucky live out the rest of their lives in peace, eating plums and whatnot. 

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43 minutes ago, Jeebus Cripes said:

I saw this two days ago and am still obsessing over it. Question: Did Thor remark on Cap's beard at some point in the Wakanda battle, or did I dream that shit up in my head? Because full disclosure, I think about Chris Evans' beard 24/7, and it's entirely possible this scene never happened.

Also, why does everyone assume that Loki, Heimdall and possibly Gamora & Vision are going to stay dead in a film where time travel is a thing? I think Gamora and all who got dusted are in the soul gem, and I'm hoping we get to see these characters interact there. I'm not terribly worried about any of the deaths in this one, but I am terrified at who might die after the time travel shenanigans end in the next film. Losing cap would devastate me! My heart can't handle that. Just let him and Bucky live out the rest of their lives in peace, eating plums and whatnot. 

Yeah, Thor said Steve copied his beard after Steve remarked on Thor getting a haircut.

People are thinking that because there has to be consequences from this movie that don't get undone by part 4.  I think we'll get Gamora back, I think she's just trapped in the Soul Stone, and they can extract her.  I can't say the same about Loki and Heimdall.  With Loki they gave him the perfect ending.  He pledged his loyalty to Thor (he may have been saying it to Thanos, but there was a long pause before he said Odinson, looked at Thor, and continued his pledge), he got some measure of redemption, and wouldn't turn his back on Thor.  It's a good way to end his story.  But I don't want to lose Heimdall, dammit, he's too awesome.

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I think both Loki and Heimdall will stay dead. Thanos said no resurrections this time. It’s sad though because Thor really has no one left. 

Just thought of something and maybe it’s been discussed. To reverse this I assume you need all the stones and the gauntlet. However the gauntlet was pretty beat up and probably broken after Thanos snapped his fingers. We did see a second gauntlet in the movie with the dwarf so I assume that will come into play. Rocket commented on it. 

 

Saw this a second time, something I rarely do. However I am still amazed that a movie like this even happened. Characters who we have gotten to know over the past 10 years now interacting in the same story. Somehow they were able to fit all the characters into this movie and nothing felt shoehorned in, yes some got more screen time than others but it didn’t really matter. 

If my reaction to Ironman getting stabbed is any reaction I’m going to be GUTTED if any of the originals bite the dust. 

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7 hours ago, Jediknight said:

If Tony really wants to show his gratitude he'd get Wong and Strange a massive credit at the deli that they like.

But only if they exclusively buy Stark Raving Hazelnuts.

1 hour ago, bluvelvet said:

It’s sad though because Thor really has no one left. 

What is Val, chopped liver?

I'd love for them to bring in Angela and Sera, but who knows what the film rights are like for them.  I assume Marvel owns the whole shebang, but maybe not.

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4 hours ago, Jeebus Cripes said:

Question: Did Thor remark on Cap's beard at some point in the Wakanda battle, or did I dream that shit up in my head?

Ha, yes. And Cap complimented him on the short hair. And apparently they both ad libed that too. 

Idris Elba basically said goodbye to Heimdal on twitter and Hiddleston has made comments about being finished too. So those are the two deaths I think will stick.  

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1 hour ago, Wynterwolf said:

Ha, yes. And Cap complimented him on the short hair. And apparently they both ad libed that too. 

Idris Elba basically said goodbye to Heimdal on twitter and Hiddleston has made comments about being finished too. So those are the two deaths I think will stick.  

Me too.  They stay dead as does half of Asgard. I think that Golmoria will be save in the same way as the dusted people are. She was killed for the soul stone. So her soul is probably in the stone along with everyone elses.

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8 minutes ago, blueray said:

So her soul is probably in the stone along with everyone elses.

You're definitely right about her (Russos even confirmed it)... not sure where everyone else is. I think it depends on which stone (if it is just one) is responsible for them being dusted. Each stone still seemed to work independently even though they were part of the same weapon. And I think the gauntlet-like thing we saw was just the mold to make the original, so I'm thinking they couldn't really make another one.  Still pondering... there are so many variables! 

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2 hours ago, Wynterwolf said:

Ha, yes. And Cap complimented him on the short hair. And apparently they both ad libed that too

I remember seeing the BTS interview where they joked about that scene...I thought it was a joke at the time. I do wonder if they really ad libbed it or if they were joking about ad libbing. 

Man that was such a great scene.

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2 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I remember seeing the BTS interview where they joked about that scene...I thought it was a joke at the time. I do wonder if they really ad libbed it or if they were joking about ad libbing. 

Man that was such a great scene.

In the Entertainment Weekly cover story they visited the location when they filmed the battle last year they reported the two Chris' coming up with the idea and suggesting it to the Russo Brothers:

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Even Hemsworth and Chris Evans, on the other side of the water, are watching video playback and conspiring to make Thor and Cap’s reunion just a little bit weirder as the dropships of Thanos strike the ground.

Evans suggests that when they bump into each other, they do what friends often do after being apart for a while: assess each other’s haircuts. In some ways, they’ve swapped styles. Thor has gotten a clean-cut trim, while Cap is sporting the ragged locks and beard.

“I’ll be like, ‘Short hair now? Good choice,’” Evans says, while miming a right hook

against an invisible Outrider.

“And I’ll go, ‘Yours too. The beard. Very ­rugged,’” Hemsworth says. They’re still workshopping it as they go back in front of the cameras. But before they can complete their takes, lightning crackles nearby, followed by curtains of stinging rain that send the whole production stampeding for cover. EW’s Day 1 on the set comes to an abrupt and muddy end.

Maybe that exchange between Cap and Thor will make it in, maybe it won’t. The thing about Infinity War is, you can’t really be sure what will survive.

 

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3 hours ago, JustaPerson said:

One thing that bothered me was that in the battle in the Wakanda, all Bucky got was a regular gun with bullets. No wakandan weapons for him? 

They gave him one new arm. How many ARMaments does one man needs? (Yes it's groan inducing, but I couldn't resist).

 

Just saw it for the second time, and it completely caught the epic scope of a comic book crossover event. Complete with the confusion that fans of one book/franchise felt when unfamiliar characters appear. (X-Men was my first mainstream Marvel book, and I still remember my confusion when this weird guy with a shield and flag themed costume appeared out of nowhere).

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4 hours ago, JustaPerson said:

One thing that bothered me was that in the battle in the Wakanda, all Bucky got was a regular gun with bullets. No wakandan weapons for him? 

All jokes at Rocket's expense aside ("trash panda" will never not be funny), this is another sign to me that TPTB had no clue what an amazing movie Black Panther would be and thus didn't incorporate nearly as many Wakandan things as they should've. Fingers crossed the next movie remedies this!

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4 hours ago, JustaPerson said:

One thing that bothered me was that in the battle in the Wakanda, all Bucky got was a regular gun with bullets. No wakandan weapons for him? 

It's not a regular gun, though. It's apparently the same gun he had at the end of Civil War to go against the other super soldiers.  So it was something he was familiar with and something he'd likely trained with when he had two arms.

Other than probably testing the new prosthetic when Shuri created it, it didn't look like he'd been choosing to wear it much, and it didn't look like he was too keen to spend much time training with new Wakandan tech or weapons. 

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5 hours ago, JustaPerson said:

One thing that bothered me was that in the battle in the Wakanda, all Bucky got was a regular gun with bullets. No wakandan weapons for him? 

Weird but it also always kind of bugged me a bit how Tony never really bothered to outfit the other Avengers, until Peter, with Iron Man style tech. I mean Thor probably doesn't need it, but in Age of Ultron (and going forwrd) he could have set up Clint and Natasha with their own suits, or at least components pretty easily

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On 5/5/2018 at 7:36 AM, Kel Varnsen said:

Open one section to let the bad guys in but open and close it a bunch of times really fast to slice up anyone who tries to walk through.

This was kind of happening anyway; the foot soldiers/dog soldiers (whatever they were) were shown forcing themselves through wall, losing limbs and whatnot -- presumably to overpower the wall, but maybe just careless of whether they lived or died. General Okoye actually comments on how the soldiers were killing themselves. Using the wall offensively this way probably would not have made a big difference.

39 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

But no one comments as to why Natasha is now blond?

I've seen some speculation online that she was living undercover as Yelena Belova.

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I really enjoyed this. It wasn't perfect, but given the sheer ambition here I thought they pulled it off about as well as they could have. I think it was always meant to be more of an "event" than a movie and that's what it felt like. It was a smart choice to make Thanos essentially the main character. It's hard to deliver a villain that's been teased for six years without it being a letdown, but in this case he was worth the hype.

I will say that in a cast of this size there are bound to be characters who feel underutilized, but I was pretty surprised to see Cap was one of them. Maybe it's because he's my favourite, but aside from his badass entrance and one or two other little moments (his adorably polite "I am Steve Rogers" was just perfect) it didn't feel like he had much to do. Even his reunion with Bucky was kind of underplayed. And while most of the character combinations worked out great, I'm not sure that pairing him with T'Challa as the leads in that storyline was the best idea. I love them both, but they each fill a similar role of the humble hero and shine brighter when they have more colourful characters to bounce off of.

At least Steve didn't fare as badly as Natasha though, who honestly felt like a glorified prop here. And speaking of Natasha, I can't believe amount of speculation I've seen that Hulk will come back in response to her dying. Can you imagine the response if Marvel were to fridge their original female Avenger in order to cure her ex's performance issues? Jesus, the internet would melt.

On the opposite end of the spectrum was Thor, who got easily his best showcase in any Avengers movie, and probably (along with Gamora) the best showcase of any of the good guys. His Big Damn Hero moment in Wakanda might have been the best in the entire MCU so far, and his interaction with Rocket throughout the movie was fantastic. I loved his line about how they teach Groot as an elective on Asgard too -- my favourite throw away moment in the film. And his conversation with Rocket where they actually acknowledge the amount of legitimately heavy shit he's been through recently was exactly what I felt was missing from Ragnorak. I get that that movie was meant to be more of a comedy, but as much as I liked it the fact that they felt the need to undermine seemingly every moment of sincerity with a gag or a quip got annoying after awhile. I actually felt that this film managed to balance the comedy and drama side of things better than most of the recent MCU films that I've seen (which is most, but not all, of them). I get that humour is one of their trademarks, but some of the newer movies have leaned a little to heavily on the bathos, whereas I really liked that this one managed to be legitimately laugh-out-loud funny in parts without actually undermining the seriousness of the threat.

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54 minutes ago, AshleyN said:

I will say that in a cast of this size there are bound to be characters who feel underutilized, but I was pretty surprised to see Cap was one of them. Maybe it's because he's my favourite, but aside from his badass entrance and one or two other little moments (his adorably polite "I am Steve Rogers" was just perfect) it didn't feel like he had much to do. Even his reunion with Bucky was kind of underplayed. And while most of the character combinations worked out great, I'm not sure that pairing him with T'Challa as the leads in that storyline was the best idea. I love them both, but they each fill a similar role of the humble hero and shine brighter when they have more colourful characters to bounce off of.

At least Steve didn't fare as badly as Natasha though, who honestly felt like a glorified prop here. And speaking of Natasha, I can't believe amount of speculation I've seen that Hulk will come back in response to her dying. Can you imagine the response if Marvel were to fridge their original female Avenger in order to cure her ex's performance issues? Jesus, the internet would melt.

Infinity War screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely explain Steve and Natasha's less prominent roles:

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Markus: Some of the people, when you weigh up who you are seeing, seem to take a little bit of a backseat in this one. When we did crack them, what we realized was they had far more potential in the movie coming next year, just in terms of how their character would be tested by the story. I'm not telling you what the story is. I will say there is less Steve Rogers and Natasha (Scarlett Johansson) than you might expect in this movie [Infinity War]. Because they are such hard-bitten people, when a threat comes, they stand there and they take the threat. They don't crack. They don't whimper. They don't start talking about all their failed opportunities. So, there isn't that much to explore, especially when you don't have a lot of time. But there's a lot later.

As if the ending wasn't sad enough:

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It's my loss, but I just could not get past how realities could be altered pretty much at will, e.g. deaths not being forever and "dialing back" time.  With that plot device nothing that happens can be accepted at face value.  Quite literally and absolutely...nothing.

Does anyone know if Thanos has specific control over the culling process, or is that power like asking Siri to figure it out and just going with it?  Why wouldn't he have the power to simply "name" or designate specific deaths over and above a generalized culling?  

Thanos is one of the great characters I've seen.  The problem is the (altered) reality all around him.  I do eagerly look forward to seeing his utter misery when he realizes there is no "there," there.  All his powers will have no real meaning for him as he has no challenges and he has no love.  He has gained the world (universe).   And lost everything.

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40 minutes ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

Does anyone know if Thanos has specific control over the culling process, or is that power like asking Siri to figure it out and just going with it?  Why wouldn't he have the power to simply "name" or designate specific deaths over and above a generalized culling?  

From io9 Report: Joe Russo Gave the Infinity War Answers You've Been Waiting for... to a Bunch of Teens

How Could Thanos Be Sure His Plan Wouldn’t Have Killed Him?
 

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Thanos’ ultimate plan to bring balance to the universe is simple. By killing half of the universe’s living population, he reasons that he can avert resource shortages that, if left unchecked, would lead to the collapse of life on various planets.

But when asked how it is that Thanos could be certain that he himself wouldn’t be one of the randomly selected people who were atomized at the end of the movie, Russo hinted that the Titan might not have actually been fully in control of the process:

"You can ask if he allowed himself to be apart of that random process. He does have a very interesting look on his face. When we come back to him after the snap before he disappears, a look of surprise."

 

It's probably why he needed the mind stone which as revealed in Age of Ultron contained a form of AI. It could make those calculations.

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On 5/6/2018 at 9:35 AM, Morrigan2575 said:

I kind of figured that was reversed in Ultron where he basically called in a bunch of old Shield buddies (and Helicarrier) for a rescue mission.

As the Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D fans know both Fury and Hill remained in contact with Phil Coulson. I think his inclusion in the Captain Marvel origin movie will prove to be more than just fan service. We will see come Avengers 4.

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7 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Well she is a fugitive, so changing her look is probably smart. Or she like Cap decided to try and copy Thor.

She should have just started wearing a pair of glasses.  I hear that works like a charm.

7 hours ago, AshleyN said:

At least Steve didn't fare as badly as Natasha though, who honestly felt like a glorified prop here. And speaking of Natasha, I can't believe amount of speculation I've seen that Hulk will come back in response to her dying. Can you imagine the response if Marvel were to fridge their original female Avenger in order to cure her ex's performance issues? Jesus, the internet would melt.

I don't think she'll die (at least not permanently) but her being in mortal danger will probably be what brings the Hulk out.  Every other romantic pairing has lost at least one member.

To compare things to DC for a moment this movie reminds me of JLU.  Lots and lots of characters means some of the originals got shoved into the background during the season but when it came to wrapping up the Cadmus arc all of the newbies were conveniently stranded and it was the original 7 who participated in the final battles.  I see something similar happening in the next movie.

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10 hours ago, AshleyN said:

Can you imagine the response if Marvel were to fridge their original female Avenger in order to cure her ex's performance issues? Jesus, the internet would melt.

Well put. Yes, that would be dire.

10 hours ago, AshleyN said:

 ... the fact that they felt the need [in Thor: Ragnarok] to undermine seemingly every moment of sincerity with a gag or a quip got annoying after awhile.

Not to stray too far OT, but this really bugged me, too. Well, that and the fact that the film didn't seem even to like its main character very much. I was really glad that Thor got a chance to "show his quality" (to borrow a phrase I've always liked) in this one.

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15 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I had this conversation with my mom today, when we were talking about her seeing Infinity War soon:

Me: "Yeah, not everyone makes it out, so be ready for that."

Mom: "I mean, Spiderman will be alright, because he`s just a child, and Chris Pratt wont die, and Iron Man, and I think Wonder Woman will be fine, she has those bracelets!" 

Me: "...well, I can tell you right now, Wonder Woman does not die in this movie."

LMAO. Do we have the same mother?

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