S25.E05: Week 4: Most Memorable Year

[OnceSane]

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An elimination occurs after the fourth week of competition.

[Andie1]

Well that was a pretty good night of dancing, I thought it was better than last week overall.  A boatload of 24's - from Frankie to Property Brothers.. and just about the entire cast in between.

Standouts for me were Jordan and Lindsay and Lindsey and Mark.  I thought the judges underscored Lindsey and Mark, that was the first dance that really got to me.  It was beautifully nuanced, and yeah Mark did look like Lindsey's dad a little. 

Jordan and Lindsay..was just beautiful. Man this guy can dance, it was just so beautiful  and with his Grandparents/adoptive parents in the audience I felt his pride.

I thought Victoria was going to get the pimp dance, and I think she danced the Foxtrot fine, but I wasn't pleased with the wheelchair on the dance floor, that was just manipulative- they didn't Foxtrot with her in the wheelchair. If they did, then I would have been impressed.

[LexieLily]

I wasn't the biggest fan of D. Fish but others should have gone home before him, for sure.

[Andie1]

1 minute ago, LexieLily said:

I wasn't the biggest fan of D. Fish but others should have gone home before him, for sure.

The NBA never support their players on this show. 

[sab85]

OH, it's the Most Maudlin Night of the Year! Seriously, how are you supposed to judge someone dancing about a dead parent or their kid's cancer?

I will say that there is no one on this season that I cringe when they dance. However I wasn't a fan of a couple of the early dances. Nikki was great when she was on the silks but once she got off of them it was very step-by-step. Go here. Jump. Wait for Artem. There was no flow. Peta and Nick had flow but Peta favors that super frenetic contemporary choreography where you have to do a move a beat no matter what the music is doing which is a style I really dislike.  

Uh, Frankie, buddy? You might want to get that memory issue checked out. If it's just because of the concussions and there is nothing to be done, okay. But memory loss can also be a sign of brain tumors among other things (I work with brain tumor patients.)

You can totally tell that Jonathan hasn't been dancing for three months like Drew has. Even their suits fit them differently. Props to him though for learning so much of the  dance.

I can't even imagine what Victoria has gone through. Although I'm the first to yell and complain about "contemporary" and "jazz" on this show this is one time I actually wished she had had contemporary so she could have just gone wild instead of having to stay in the Foxtrot hold. 

I almost didn't recognize Val clean shaven. 

Random fact I just learned: Nick Lachey, Terrell Owens, and Derek Fisher are all the same age (within 1 year of each other). All are 3 years older than "Grandpa" Ross of last season. 

Edited October 10, 2017 by sab85

[McManda]

I guessed it was only a matter of time before Jonathan danced with Drew. I didn't think it would be so early but ... I'm not mad it happened. 

They're really milking the married thing and I'm over it. 

Lindsey and Mark ... I'm torn, because that was one of the better "parent died" stories that they've done. But at the same timex Len was right. More Viennese Waltz please!

I admire Frankie for eschewing the whole "most memorable year" and admitting memory problems. That's awful, but it was admittedly a nice, fresh angle on a week that either has people reaching for something memorable or going super cliche.

I'm all sorts of confused with eliminations this season. I wouldn't have expected Derek to go so early; he's better than expected and with Sharna I thought he'd last  longer.

Edited October 10, 2017 by McManda

[AnswersWanted]

I normally hand wave this night of DWTS because the stories often, to me, seem so exploited and emotionally manipulative at times.

But there were some real moving dances tonight, Lindsey with an "e" about her Dad and the dance was stunning, I have loved that song and artist for years, so I was so happy that band didn't ruin it.

Jordan with his story about his grandparents becoming his parents was touching as well, what a sweet couple, and, not unexpectedly, he and Lindsay looked more like a couple on SYTYCD doing a Travis Wall routine, but I didn't mind his skill this evening, it was a very lovely dance.

But for me the story package and dance that touched me most was Frankie's. I had no idea that kid had so many medical problems, and now to find out he has memory issues, that so much of his youth and his fame are now mere fading shadows in his mind, it broke my heart. What a wonderful girlfriend he has who understands and helps him daily to keep track of his life and how he spends his time so he has a record to look back on.

To me, his joy of life is so evident and it's clear he takes nothing for granted. And of course seeing Bryan, I was so hoping he would make an appearance to support his "Malcolm", and just seeing his obvious love for that kid and saying how he has promised Frankie that he will safeguard his memories for him, it got me all choked up for some reason. Frankie is just a doll, I don't care if he isn't the best dancer, he has the best spirit to me and I thoroughly enjoy watching his every move on and off the dance floor.

No big shock who was in the bottom 2 and who went home, I figured Nick's boy-band fans would probably rally enough to keep him there.

Edited October 10, 2017 by AnswersWanted

[spanana]

I have a love/hate relationship with memorable year night.  I thought it was a good night of dancing because the celebs were so emotionally invested but at the same time, sob story after sob story gets tiring.  Also as I think I said in the media thread, if you don't have a sob story or emotional moment to exploit, then your package/dance doesn't have the emotional resonance and you might be trouble the next week.  For an example, see the package of Drew talking about his lowest point being not be able to make it as an actor, sandwiched in between I think Vanessa and Victoria talking about their preemie baby and we all know Victoria's story.

I can't even blame the judges for mostly being a wash with the scores because it's really hard to critique people when they are bawling and vulnerable.  I thought Lindsey should have had at least straight 9's.  You can't give Victoria a 27 for an okay dance and then give Lindsey a 26.

Jordan dances contemporary better than many of our pros.

There should be no elimination on story night, and there probably wouldn't have been if last week didn't happen.  I felt bad for Derek being eliminated not only when he was emotional, but in front of his daughter who was emotional.

[McManda]

I guessed it was only a matter of time before Jonathan danced with Drew. I didn't think it would be so early but ... I'm not mad it happened. 

They're really milking the married thing and I'm over it. 

Lindsay and Mark ... I'm torn, because that was one of the better "parent died" stories that they've done. But at the same timex Len was right. More Viennese Waltz please!

I admire Frankie for eschewing the whole "most memorable year" and admitting memory problems. That's awful, but it was admittedly a nice, fresh angle on a week that either has people reaching for something memorable or going super cliche.

I'm all sorts of confused with eliminations this season. I wouldn't have expected Derek to go so early; he's better than expected and with Sharna I thought he'd last  longer.

[truthaboutluv]

With no one truly horrible left as in many previous seasons, this is essentially coming down to the celebrities who aren't memorable enough and essentially get lost in the crowd. That's what happened to Debbie and that's what happened to Derek. When they announced him and Nick in jeopardy, to me it became a toss-up between a guy I barely remembered was on the show and another whose technique is not that great. And once again, the not memorable contestant went home. 

Okay night of dancing but very little wowed me. I was more fascinated by many of the celebrities' stories since not knowing many of them beyond just their names, it was interesting learning things about that I had no idea about. Like I did not know Frankie essentially suffers from long-term memory loss.  I remember reading in some entertainment magazine years ago when he was having the seizures and strokes but I didn't know his health was that badly affected. That's crazy, especially considering how young he is. I also didn't know there were so many complications with Vanessa and Nick's last baby. 

My favorite performances were definitely Lindsay/Mark and Jordan/Lindsey. I found Lindsay and Mark's really beautiful and it was the one dance I got a little choked up over. Jordan's dance was simply gorgeous to watch because it was so damn perfect. That was most definitely a 10 dance. It has also now solidified, if there was any doubt left, how much of a ringer he is. There have been ringers on the show that I've actually not been impressed with their dancing - Alfonso, Riker, even Heather, for example. Like technically I knew they were good, but something about each of their movement used to bug me and it stopped me from ever truly loving their dancing.

And Jordan is definitely not perfect at ballroom dancing, particularly the Latin dancing because he tends to be a bit too lyrical in his steps and movement and tonight showed why. You do not move and extend and turn and flex your feet, your arms and hell, your entire body, like Jordan did tonight, without a lot of dance training. I still like him and in fact, at this point am really only rooting for him and Lindsay/Mark. But I can't imagine this will make the "he's a ringer and shouldn't be on the show" dissenters very happy. 

I continue to want to like and care about Victoria far more than I do and in fact, I actually tend to forget she's there. I was seriously wondering why they left Drew's performance for last since he's clearly one of the "middle of the pack" celebrities because I completely forgot that Victoria hadn't danced. I don't know what it is but I'm just never as moved or touched as I feel like I'm supposed to be, regarding her and her dancing. Don't get me wrong, power to that woman and all she's been through and continue to thrive girl. But yeah, she and Val leave me cold. Like they could be eliminated (won't happen anytime soon) and I'd just shrug. 

Edited October 10, 2017 by truthaboutluv

[spanana]

4 minutes ago, sab85 said:

I can't even imagine what Victoria has gone through. Although I'm the first to yell and complain about "contemporary" and "jazz" on this show this is one time I actually wished she had had contemporary so she could have just gone nuts instead of having to stay in the Foxtrot hold. 

I almost didn't recognize Val clean shaven. 

I'd argue I think that was purposeful.  I think Val needs to keep Victoria in hold so he can move her from place to place and guide her better.  I don't see Contemporary being one of her stronger dances.  

I admit I skipped a few packages.  Some for personal reasons (Lindsey) and others just because I didn't feel like watching (Victoria, Nikki), but I did learn a few things. I had no idea on Frankie and the memory loss or even the strokes.  I knew he had a severe racing accident but that was about it.  I love Bryan Cranston so it was nice to see him being as supportive and nice as always.  I have heard nothing but good things about him.

I also thought Vanessa's package helped explain her to me as well.  I knew a bit about their last baby being a preemie, but I think a lot of her focus on babies and family probably stems out of as she explained, her own upbringing.  Having a parent abandon you is something I'm sure she carried over to her own adult life and family.

Maks is lucky this was story week and the package was about Vanessa and not their drama.

Edited October 10, 2017 by spanana

[Lady Calypso]

That sucks about Derek/Sharna. It's not a huge loss for me, but I personally wanted Nick or Terrell to go before Derek. 

The return of the Band Butchers. This time, they butcher Queen. Maybe they need to stay away from the classics and use recordings when necessary. 

God, Frankie is just a joy in general. His dance was so much better than last week's, and I fully called the three 8s. I knew about his brain issues, but had no idea about his memory problems. That has to suck, but I loved his optimism. However, I do hope that he goes to a neurologist sometime in the future. Not that I want to tell him what he should and should not do, but I'd love to think that his problems with his brain can be managed or even helped, and I'd love to see him regain a little of what he's lost. 

Lindsey/Mark were underscored. I grimaced at Len's 8, because I thought she deserved a 9 from him. I liked Jordan/Lindsay's dance, but I do like that Len avoided the perfect score. Their dance was excellent, but not perfect score excellent for me.

Vanessa's dance was sloppy and all over the place, but I did tear up at her story. Although, I found myself getting sad at Nick's reaction just a little bit more than Vanessa's, although hers was still sad too. I could really tell how that moment affected their family. I can't even imagine what they both went through, but even Vanessa. I think she's a lot stronger emotionally than her husband, but I could see that moment right before the music started, where she was trying to gather it together.

Drew/Emma/Jonathan's dance cracked me up. A good, fun little number from the Property Brothers.

I kind of wish that they did a little more dancing in the wheelchair. I can only imagine how hard it was for Victoria to even get back in the wheelchair, but I think Val could have made it possible to do a little more Foxtrot. Plus, I mean, I knew it was coming anyway; I knew the wheelchair would be used in her dance tonight, as did most, I'm sure. Val could have made the best of it, at least. However, still a solid dance, not perfect, and maybe not quite deserving of all 9s, but certainly a touching story. 

[Andie1]

If Val insisted on bringing the wheelchair on the floor, then I wanted to see Foxtrot and how he would approach it, since he's supposed to be a certified ballroom instructor of those in wheelchairs. I was bummed.  Instead he copped out and they did some synchronized contemporary movement.

[sab85]

3 minutes ago, spanana said:

I'd argue I think that was purposeful.  I think Val needs to keep Victoria in hold so he can move her from place to place and guide her better.  I don't see Contemporary being one of her stronger dances.  

Oh, good point, I didn't even think of that. She does so well on the ballroom dances that I forget she literally can't feel her feet.

[MerBearHou]

I was most touched by the stories and dances of Terrell and Jordan.  I wanted to come through the TV and hug them both.

[NeverLate]

I loved Lindsay and Mark, it was light and airy and very clever. Mark showcased her a treat.She was dancing with her father and for her father, I felt that way about my father...its never easy  Lindsay and Jordan, he broke my heart telling his story. I loved his as well, but he seems to *act* out more. Vanessa was okay, so was Nick and Rikki. Frankie has such joy when he dances, so much to put up with, and yet so much joy.

Sasha was better, she is such a pretty girl, but still lacks confidence 

I LOL Jonathan joined Drew, I love Drew, he has such determination. I needed that lightness

I dont know about Val and Victoria, I wasnt keen on the wheelchair.

I thought Nick would go home before Derek, what do I know..

I think it was a very emotional night, no matter who you cheered for..next week...DISNEY :).

[AnswersWanted]

5 minutes ago, sab85 said:

Uh, Frankie, buddy? You might want to get that memory issue checked out. If it's just because of the concussions and there is nothing to be done, okay. But memory loss can also be a sign of brain tumors among other things (I work with brain tumor patients.)

 

Tell me about it. When he mentioned that he has mini strokes, has had at least nine concussions, and then detailed his memory loss, I could hardly believe no one has investigated the matter further, especially his medical team.

If he were my kid I would have hauled him to every specialist known to man at this point, someone needs to try and connect the dots here.

And didn't he mention that his ankle became dislocated during rehearsals? I mean really, this kid is going to be end up held together by Gorilla Glue before the season is over, he just seems fragile and easily injured, but I do enjoy his performances, I am torn.

[Uke]

My least favorite week every season - where personal tragedies are reduced to "sob stories".

Frankie:  No body contact, break in hold in the middle, couldn't see what he was doing on the dark stage (with black pants) with the light effects and frame needs work...interesting only the frame issues was mentioned.  Scores a point or two too high.

I suppose considering the stories they'll be kind with the critiques and scores.

Terrell:  nice posture but none of the rise and fall that I like to see in a VW.  Much more elegant...he's learning!  He clearly put a lot of feeling into it - maybe that's the key for him to succeed.  Agree with the scores.

Nikki:  Once she dropped the silks, I'd say that was 95% Artem and 5% Nikki.  I'm not sure if that was poor choreography or she just couldn't do much.  But I liked the silks part.  No clue what CAI and Bruno were babbling about.  Scores too high.

Nick:  A much better contemporary than Nikki - he worked hard in that one and was not just used as a forklift.  Agree with the mentions about balance - I did see a few wobbles.  Underscored. I'd have given 1 more point.

Lindsey:  I rarely get emotional about a dance but that one got me, maybe because I related in so many ways.  That was beautiful.  I wasn't sure beforehand about Mark dressing up like her Dad but I can see that it helped her relate and visualize - and of course bring her emotions to the surface.  Surprised Len got the Banksy connection - Mark's a big fan of Banksy art.  Underscored. I was hoping someone would have popped a 10.  But an 8?? Really Len??

Derek:  For the personal tragedy, I was really surprised to get such an upbeat dance.  That had to be hard on his daughter listening and watching that package and I wonder how much she knew of the story before this (I hope Derek explained it all to her ahead of time).   What can I say - it's a "jazz" which means anything goes I guess.  Agree with the scores.

Jordan:  That was good - but of course this is right in his wheelhouse.  That swooping lift was impressive though.  He doesn't look like he'd have that strength.  He got really teary about a happy story - I understand a tear for gratitude but he seemed quite overwraught.  Hate to say it, but first thought was "he's an actor".  Overscored by 2.

Sasha:  Sorry, I missed it.

Vanessa:  I didn't like the choreography - too much stop and go, too many stops to pose, no hip action and I did see the wobble CAI mentioned.  Overscored.

Drew:  Jive is really hard for the really tall ones but that was a very serviceable Jive.  Good on Emma for having to train the other brother from scratch.  It was fun but his posture was terrible.  Considering all the other 8s tonight, I wouldn't have minded one 9.

Victoria:  Some balance problems when Val started moving fast but otherwise a very nice dance and nice choreo by Val.  It's hard to critique with a story like that.  Agree with the scores.

Sorry to see Derek leave but unfortunately it's not a surprise.  He was perhaps a little too low key and just didn't have fan support.

Interesting that of the 10 couples remaining, six have the same score of 24.  Only Nick is lower at 22, which in the grand scheme of things isn't much.

[NeverLate]

3 minutes ago, Andie1 said:

If Val insisted on bringing the wheelchair on the floor, then I wanted to see Foxtrot and how he would approach it, since he's supposed to be a certified ballroom instructor of those in wheelchairs. I was bummed.  Instead he copped out and they did some synchronized contemporary movement.

I tend to agree, Im not as moved by Victoria as I was with Amy..and yet both are so very  courageous 

[smiley13]

Tonight goes to show that ole Sharna is not as popular as people think.  Hopefully the producers will take note.

[Jax7917]

I thought Sharnas dancing was off tonight actually 

[calipiano81]

As a Mark fan, I am always nervous the first time I view any of his dances and am anxiously looking for things that the judges could potentially deduct for. After watching his and Lindsey's V Waltz, it didn't strike me that there was any lack of content. They went into hold at least twice and I saw a lot of standard waltzing patterns, and rotation in both directions. 

[GreekGeek]

Just now, NeverLate said:

I tend to agree, Im not as moved by Victoria as I was with Amy..and yet both are so very  courageous 

When it seems that every season has to contain a Triumph over Disability story, it's hard not to get cynical. My own nasty thought was, "OK, that's done, now can we focus on her as a dancer without all the hospital and wheelchair scenes?"

Nobody was really bad tonight; Nick's story was the only one I was "meh" about, despite the above remarks about Victoria.

[Andie1]

6 minutes ago, calipiano81 said:

As a Mark fan, I am always nervous the first time I view any of his dances and am anxiously looking for things that the judges could potentially deduct for. After watching his and Lindsey's V Waltz, it didn't strike me that there was any lack of content. They went into hold at least twice and I saw a lot of standard waltzing patterns, and rotation in both directions. 

The only thing about that V Waltz for me is that tempo was more of a Waltz.  We didn't get the continuous motion of a Viennese Waltz, but I would still give it a 9 , and one 10 for the emotional impact of the piece.  I would have given it a 28.

[Toonces464]

Bummed that Derek went home. I thought Nick should have gone before him. He looks like a water buffalo when he dances.

I liked Lindsey, Jordan, Frankie and TO. Really enjoyed Emma and Drew and his brother with such a peppy little number.

Maks could not be any less enthused to be there and it was even more painful to watch him in that black see through blouse.

Why is Erin even there? She only did two or three interviews tonight because Tom was doing them all down at the judges table. Which, frankly, annoyed me. I love Tom, but I find it monotonous when he keeps talking to them down there. Erin may not be the greatest host in the world but she does lighten things up and at least gives a change of scenery and tone, which I think was needed on such a somber night.

[Andie1]

14 minutes ago, smiley13 said:

Tonight goes to show that ole Sharna is not as popular as people think.  Hopefully the producers will take note.

I did not like their dance tonight, it did nothing for her partner.

[spanana]

My hope is now that story week is out of the week we won't hear about Victoria's story until maybe the end if she makes it that far, but I also feel like the show knows that they need to tell her story every week to keep her on the show.  Because without it people just see a fairly mediocre dancer that they have never heard of before.  I thought she was scored a bit too high, but I expected it tonight. I would give her straight 8's with most of the rest of the crew.  It was good, but I don't think what she did technically was a 9 compared to the others.  But, expected.  I was just happy we didn't see 10 paddles.

I also didn't think Jordan was overwrought. Yes, his story was essentially happy in how he spun it but I also expect he left a lot of the details out.  He mentioned his bio mother and substance abuse without really going into details.  He said nothing about his bio father.  Plus I'm sure he's very well aware that if not for his grandparents he would have wound up in the system, which does not have a happy ending for many.

[tessaforever]

I can't help it; I generally like most memorable year, not necessarily because of the sob stories but because the emotional connection to the dance usually produces breakthrough performances for a lot of the celebs. Tonight did not disappoint in that regard. Liked Drew's the least (Property Brothers), which was surprising since week to week, he's been the most consistently improved. Something about that dance just didn't work for me (too much blue satin???)

I really liked Lindsey/Mark and Jordan/Lindsay. I was watching with my daughter and she was laughing at how much I was crying!

[Andie1]

3 minutes ago, spanana said:

I also didn't think Jordan was overwrought. Yes, his story was essentially happy in how he spun it but I also expect he left a lot of the details out.  

Yes, Lindsay choreographed for him to turn to acknowledge his grandparents/ adoptive parents at the end, but he broke down in rehearsal and he broke down again live. Unless he's method, this was a genuine heartfelt emotion.

[madpsych78]

OK, if that is how Jonathan dances for his very first dance on DWTS (Jive, nonetheless), he could be better than Drew if he were to compete in a future season.

[smiley13]

Victoria was overscored IMO.  I really wanted Len to call them out for the time wasted in the wheel chair.  I get the symbolism, but it went on way too long.  There is no way she should have been higher than Lindsey.

[doLLish]

Disclaimer: I generally hate most memorable year week. The whole forced tear jerking makes me sick. I actually teared up tonight multiple times during Derek, Lindsay, Vanessa and Jordan’s segments.

Frankie and Witney - Loved the special effects in the beginning and the costumes. This couple has been a nice surprise. Very nice routine.

Terrell and Cheryl - Cheryl is so damn boring. I’ve seen enough of her choreography to last me a lifetime. She really could have stayed wherever she was. Routine was well performed though and Terrell did a nice job. Not at all surprised the judges loved it. 

Nikki and Artem - I’m over contemporary but I enjoyed this darker victorious version with the silks. It’s been so nice seeing what Artem can do with a capable partner. I’ve really enjoyed his choreography with her.

Nick and Peta - So tired of this stripped down, neutral colored, I’m in pain, I’m jumping so catch me, lets roll on the floor together, now I’m healed type of contemporary. This show has completely bastardized it. It was well performed though I guess. I was bored.

Lindsay and Mark - Simply beautiful. Nothing else to say.

Derek and Sharna - This was fun and very cute. I found myself waiting for the routine to break out though. I really wanted more. I think Sharna shot her load creatively with James. She hasn’t been as great since. But then again it may be the quality of her partners as well. I don’t think Derek is bad at all though.

Jordan and Lindsey - They don’t get a pass because they are my faves, I’m still very tired of contemporary in this style but it was beautifully danced. I knew they would get the first 10s of the season and knew it would be this night. Very happy for Lindsey, I truly believe this is her season.

Sasha and Gleb - I liked it. I agree with Bruno about her natural grace. She truly grows a little bit every week. It’s cool to see.

Vanessa and Maks - This was so beautiful to me. Maks did a beautiful job on the choreography. I know people hate her for whatever reason but I’m really enjoying Vanessa.

Drew and Emma - I loved this lol. Jonathan was such a nice surprise and on a night with such sad stories it was nice to have something happy. This should have ended the show.

Victoria and Val - Nice routine, I really liked the story and thought Val did a wonderful job on the opening. Val should never shave again. Bring back the beard ASAP.

Kinda surprised at the elimination. Actually more like very. Didn’t expect them out just yet, would have expected at least two others to go before him. I’ve been fooled, Sharna really has no fan base.

Edited October 10, 2017 by doLLish

[UGAmp]

I always enjoy this week even though it is 100% producer manipulation on the audience. And I agree with @tessaforever that it usually brings out some breakthrough performances. 

The Lindsey dance got me. I lost my dad unexpectedly when I was 13 so the parent dances always have me sobbing into my pillow. I know she’s scoring well but i just haven’t really seen “it” with her yet. But tonight’s it’s the first time I thought she really did a great job especially when that must have been so hard for her. When she was alone in the middle of the dance and you saw her break, just for a second. Whew. 

Loved Jordan and Lindsay’s dance. That was topnotch. The choreography, the song, his sweet parents. Loved it all. 

[Andie1]

If Jordan joins Lindsay on tour I hope they do an extended version of that beautiful contemporary, and get the artists- Us the Duo  to sing it again, they were also so good. 

[scenicbyway]

It felt like something was off with Tom and Erin tonight.  Like they had gotten bad news just before they went to air.

 

Admittedly, I watch this as an escape from a stressful job so to see dance after dance framed by tragedy, it seemed way to heavy for a dancing show.

 

I also wonder what kind of dancer Sasha would be if she hadn't been paired with Gleb.  It's like he keeps giving her dances we could've seen in week one.

[NeverLate]

1 hour ago, smiley13 said:

Tonight goes to show that ole Sharna is not as popular as people think.  Hopefully the producers will take note.

Actually, I think it was Derek. He just didn't connect with the audience

 

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Vanessa and Maks - This was so beautiful to me. Maks did a beautiful job on the choreography. I know people hate her for whatever reason but I’m really enjoying Vanessa.

I don't hate her. The giggling has stopped, there is no chemistry between them. Maks has checked out, she was better with Alan, and happier imho.

Edited October 10, 2017 by NeverLate

[Uke]

1 hour ago, calipiano81 said:

As a Mark fan, I am always nervous the first time I view any of his dances and am anxiously looking for things that the judges could potentially deduct for. After watching his and Lindsey's V Waltz, it didn't strike me that there was any lack of content. They went into hold at least twice and I saw a lot of standard waltzing patterns, and rotation in both directions. 

They were saving the 10s for Jordan...or Lindsey. She's going on the tour and apparently Mark isn't. As has been said in the past, they want the new MBT holder on the tour.

[MsJamieDornan]

I will miss Derek, he is a class act.

I can't believe Mark dressed up as Lindsey's dad. No words. Well, none that are nice.

 

Maks sucks, that's all.

Edited October 10, 2017 by MsJamieDornan

[spanana]

3 minutes ago, Uke said:

They were saving the 10s for Jordan...or Lindsey. She's going on the tour and apparently Mark isn't. As has been said in the past, they want the new MBT holder on the tour.

Except I'd really be surprised if Jordan did the whole tour.  Maybe he will do a portion and make some guest appearances, but the tour is longer than usual.  I think due in part to the fact that there likely is no new regular DWTS season until next fall.  Also, Jordan's schedule is fairly busy.  I can't see him cleaning out his entire schedule to do a DWTS tour.  I think it's more likely he will be promoting his own music career after this season is over, which probably means performing on his own (or opening for someone).  He just released a single the other day and has been doing local performances in his non rehearsal time.  Unless he can convince the producers to let him use the DWTS tour as a platform for his music.

I just put Jordan in the small classification of rising stars that have been on the show.  I think he has far too many legit career opportunities happening post DWTS to need the tour.  I'd put more on Frankie doing the tour if he was a little healthier.  Witney is going on tour as well.  Problem is I can't imagine Frankie's body holding up that long.

[LotusFlower]

Maks and Vanessa didn't look at each other once, or if they ever did, it was forced.  How convenient that they had Nick, and even Drew, talk about her in the package, so Maks didn't have to be included.  Things must have been frosty between them this week.  She looked pissed, and I don't blame her.  I can't believe he got away with his hissy fit.  Why wasn't he fired?  (And I'm a Maks fan.  Or used to be.  But not showing up for work?)

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, UGAmp said:

The Lindsey dance got me. I lost my dad unexpectedly when I was 13 so the parent dances always have me sobbing into my pillow. I know she’s scoring well but i just haven’t really seen “it” with her yet. But tonight’s it’s the first time I thought she really did a great job especially when that must have been so hard for her. When she was alone in the middle of the dance and you saw her break, just for a second. Whew. 

This. That part of the dance got to me as well, along with the end where the balloon came back the shadow of her "dad" was behind her. I lost my dad six years ago, and yeah. I felt that. That hit home. 

I felt for all the contestants who'd lost a loved one or struggled with other family issues tonight. And I echo the concerns about Frankie's long-term well being. I had no idea it'd been that serious either, but damn. You sure wouldn't know it watching him dance. I hope he can continue to do what he needs to do to take care of that stuff. 

1 hour ago, NeverLate said:

I thought Nick would go home before Derek, what do I know..

I thought so, too, but I also think that @truthaboutluv is right that a lot of this will likely come down to who's more familiar to the audience at this point. 

Still, a shame, 'cause he was pretty good and generally more consistent than Nick's been thus far. 

[chocolatine]

I don't think incorporating the wheelchair into Victoria's dance was a good idea. She was crying even before the dance started, it must have been so traumatic for her. I can't even imagine going through what she did, but I'm sure I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a wheelchair after an experience like hers.

I wish the dances all matched up with the sob stories. Vanessa talking about the harrowing birth experience with her youngest child and then coming out to dance a Rumba, which is supposed to be a sexy/sensual dance, was quite jarring. Nick's song was generic enough to do an emo contemporary routine to.

[crowceilidh]

Actually I thought Maks danced that Rumba beautifully and that whoever is dressing Vanessa is doing a very bad job overall.  I thought Vanessa was a bit tight in her dancing.  

Drew is always thinner than Jonathan.  This experience is not going to make THAT go away quite clearly.

I feel badly for Frankie Muniz, but I am glad that he has learned such amazing coping skills.

FFed through TO, Nick and someone else, I can't remember who. Oh yeah, Gleb.  Has Gleb just suddenly de-sexualized his dances?  Is that because he's with a large girl?  Maybe I'm wrong, because god knows, I can't watch a  whole Gleb dance -- or even half of one for that matter.

[Uke]

25 minutes ago, Uke said:

They were saving the 10s for Jordan...or Lindsey. She's going on the tour and apparently Mark isn't. As has been said in the past, they want the new MBT holder on the tour.

 

12 minutes ago, spanana said:

Except I'd really be surprised if Jordan did the whole tour.  Maybe he will do a portion and make some guest appearances, but the tour is longer than usual.  I think due in part to the fact that there likely is no new regular DWTS season until next fall.  Also, Jordan's schedule is fairly busy.  I can't see him cleaning out his entire schedule to do a DWTS tour.  I think it's more likely he will be promoting his own music career after this season is over, which probably means performing on his own (or opening for someone).  He just released a single the other day and has been doing local performances in his non rehearsal time.  Unless he can convince the producers to let him use the DWTS tour as a platform for his music.

I just put Jordan in the small classification of rising stars that have been on the show.  I think he has far too many legit career opportunities happening post DWTS to need the tour.  I'd put more on Frankie doing the tour if he was a little healthier.  Witney is going on tour as well.  Problem is I can't imagine Frankie's body holding up that long.

I guess I wasn't clear. IMO they want the winning pro on the tour so it seems to me that they're gunning for Lindsay this season.  While I'm sure the tour producers would love for the star to make some guest appearances, I don't think they count on that.  After all, the stars go back to their own careers or the new opportunities resulting from being on DWTS.   IIRC, the only star that did the whole tour was Alfonso - but that was probably for the purpose of promoting himself as the new host of AFV.

[spanana]

1 minute ago, Uke said:

 

I guess I wasn't clear. IMO they want the winning pro on the tour so it seems to me that they're gunning for Lindsay this season.  While I'm sure the tour producers would love for the star to make some guest appearances, I don't think they count on that.  After all, the stars go back to their own careers or the new opportunities resulting from being on DWTS.   IIRC, the only star that did the whole tour was Alfonso - but that was probably for the purpose of promoting himself as the new host of AFV.

I don't believe Alfonso was the only one that did the whole tour, or I guess at the very least he wasn't supposed to be. Unfortunately what I think happens quite often is the celeb in question gets injured.  See Rumer who spent most of the tour injured.  Melissa Rycroft also went on tour and got injured.  Laurie wasn't injured, but I can't remember if she did the whole tour or not. She did most of it.

Also Lindsay has done the last several tours straight so it's not like her going on tour is anything out of the ordinary.  She almost always goes.  Witney is the one that hasn't been on tour since the first one.

[Toonces464]

23 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

Maks and Vanessa didn't look at each other once, or if they ever did, it was forced.  How convenient that they had Nick, and even Drew, talk about her in the package, so Maks didn't have to be included.  Things must have been frosty between them this week.  She looked pissed, and I don't blame her.  I can't believe he got away with his hissy fit.  Why wasn't he fired?  (And I'm a Maks fan.  Or used to be.  But not showing up for work?)

In their red carpet interview after the show, Maks didn't even talk about her dance...just how beautiful the whole night was. It didn't look like he had much interaction with Vanessa or Peta that wasn't forced/phony. 

[LotusFlower]

3 minutes ago, Toonces464 said:

In their red carpet interview after the show, Maks didn't even talk about her dance...just how beautiful the whole night was. It didn't look like he had much interaction with Vanessa or Peta that wasn't forced/phony. 

I'm not surprised.  Cold as ice between them.  But Peta?  Uh oh - something going on there?

[Toonces464]

6 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

I'm not surprised.  Cold as ice between them.  But Peta?  Uh oh - something going on there?

Well, I think their whole relationship is phony but in this case he didn't just affect himself with his temper tantrum. She's dancing with his partner's husband and even if the two of them are staying out of it, it has to make things awkward for and around them.

[kitcloudkicker]

2 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

And Jordan is definitely not perfect at ballroom dancing, particularly the Latin dancing because he tends to be a bit too lyrical in his steps and movement and tonight showed why. You do not move and extend and turn and flex your feet, your arms and hell, your entire body, like Jordan did tonight, without a lot of dance training. I still like him and in fact, at this point am really only rooting for him and Lindsay/Mark. But I can't imagine this will make the "he's a ringer and shouldn't be on the show" dissenters very happy.

I really like Jordan, I think he’s an adorable enthusiastic bean of a human, and I think he was amazing tonight, but I haven’t loved him in a ballroom dance yet. So while he has undoubtable skills, I’m still interested in seeing him improve. He always comes off a little too light on his feet to me in ballroom? Kind of skittery, like he’s not solid, grounded enough. I don’t know if that’s a real critique or not, but thats where he seems to miss go me. It worked for him in contemporary tonight for sure though.

 

I thought it was sad that Frankie’s most memorable year was this year, because he can’t remember any of the other ones :( :( :(

[marykat71702]

Derek getting eliminated sucks, I wish he had been able to stay a little bit longer. What does Carrie Ann have against him, anyway?

Jordan was a delight! He seems like a very nice, humble person and I love watching him dance. 

Sasha still doesn't do it for me, for some reason I feel a disconnect with her.

Terrell kind of made me like him tonight, he showed another side of him that I hadn't seen before, and I thought he danced well.

It is time for Nick to go. He seems like a very nice person, but his dancing doesn't seem to be improving all that much.

Frankie has an unbridled enthusiasm that is fun to watch. I hope he makes it to the finals.

Lindsey's dance was very emotional, and I thought she did well. Was kind of distracted by the heavy fake eyelashes. I know--superficial.

Nikki showed a softer side tonight. I liked it.

Victoria--I still don't know how she can do what she does if she can't feel her legs. I thought this was her best dance so far.

Drew's dance was fun, but I don't think he will make it much farther.

Vanessa and Maks seem to have worked out whatever their problem was. It was a nice dance, but like with Sasha, though, I'm just not a fan.