Season 5 Discussion

[Neurochick]

2 minutes ago, sainte-chapelle said:

Dear God Aida what in the 80s rock video hell are you wearing?

I kind of liked her dress, and getting married in Vegas has always been my dream.

I don’t think Luis looks like a meerkat because they’re cute and Luis isn’t.

So does this mean Molly and Luis are Dani and Mo 2.0?

[Lemons]

16 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

Wait, did they get married before the show began filming?  If they did, what was the purpose of doing the show?  Was it supposed to be publicity for Molly’s business?

Fake fights, fake drama, fake everything. It’s a little disappointing that they went this route. I like the first season better.  They didn’t manufacture so many scenes. 

The David Spain and Evelyn scenes reminded me of House Hunters when they pretend to disagree about choosing a house and they have already bought it. 

Luis and Molly’s fight was made up. When she went on about him saying “make me dinner!” They had already had scenes that showed when he asked for food he got all baby-voiced and syrupy sweet. Plus his English was surprisingly good when he was going on about Budha  and owls. Like it was planned out. 

The Florida sister couldn’t even keep up her “outrage “ at her dinner with Andrei. 

The amount of times that someone claimed or threatened that the wedding was off became tiresome. 

I would like more documentary style, less made up drama. But, it’s TLC, not PBS. 

[lizzie3]

So let me get this straight....Molly, who has been constantly trying to convince us that her "children come first", has just admitted to deceiving not only her daughters, but also her brother, parents, and (likely) many other people in her life.  Aside from the obvious terrible relationship and life decisions she's been modelling, I can't even begin to guess at the financial risks she's also undertaken.  Great example there, Molly. 

[grammaester]

6 minutes ago, Splithair said:

I'm not surprised Molly and Luis were already married. The preview from last week where she said Luis didn't have to go back to the DR was the major clue, and then I started thinking about previous episodes and it all made sense. If they're indeed broken up, I don't know how easy it will be to get an annulment (see Danielle and Mohammed). The difference with Molly is that she has a successful business and nice home that she most likely owns, so divorce might be devastating for her financially. Even with her obvious stupidity during this whole situation, I would hate to see this ruin what she's worked so hard for. 

I don't wish ill on anyone but come on. Molly didn't listen to anyone about Luis including her own daughter. She jeopardized her daughter's safety by bringing a strange man who likes porn and strippers into their home without a prior introduction. I think it might be good for her to have to take a financial hit of some sort on this. Maybe it will wizen her up to not do this again in the future, at least until those poor girls leave home.

[Christi]

Holy Crap Balls!!
ok, Im offically blown away...
also...
confession here..Im obviously desperately single...but I think Molly's brother is adorable

[sainte-chapelle]

It was interesting when David kept mentioning Annie's "past that we don't speak about". It was cruel and manipulative to hold that over her head as if to say "yea so what I cheated and lied to you about it, you were a prostitute so your feelings don't matter." Yea well he knew all about her when he met her, he lied , big difference douchebag.

[grammaester]

2 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

I kind of liked her dress, and getting married in Vegas has always been my dream.

I don’t think Luis looks like a meerkat because they’re cute and Luis isn’t.

So does this mean Molly and Luis are Dani and Mo 2.0?

Yes your are right and  I'm sorry to meerkats everywhere, LOL.  I hated that dress it was too awful with the silicone up and saying hello and the high-low hem with all the frou-frou. Looked so cheap. I actually like Aika and think if she toned down the makeup and had a simpler dress she would have been stunning. 

[spankydoll]

25 minutes ago, puppytoes said:

I am watching Annie at the bridal store and I noticed she was carrying a Chanel rhinestone boy bag which runs over $5,000.  I am a designer bag connoisseur and own a few purses but Chanel is out of my league.  I have seen enough Chanel’s and it does look real but it could be a good fake.

 

 I am wondering if Nikki loaned her this purse

Something borrowed from Nikki?

[hisbunkie]

To those who say Annie should go home—- how can she?  She does not have any income, she is stuck. 

And I really feel sorry for Molly. No one deserves that kind of pain. It all makes sense now 

Anika seems like an emotional abusive person. Why threaten Josh with leaving him for another man? If having children is so important and she thinks it is so easy to get another man to impregnate her, why did she wait so long?  Something isn’t right with that story. 

And interesting that Spain David’s immediate family did not come for the wedding. 

[grammaester]

1 minute ago, sainte-chapelle said:

It was interesting when David kept mentioning Annie's "past that we don't speak about". It was cruel and manipulative to hold that over her head as if to say "yea so what I cheated and lied to you about it, you were a prostitute so your feelings don't matter." Yea well he knew all about her when he met her, he lied , big difference douchebag.

Yes he was so manipulative, first with the veiled threats and inference to her past, then with the crocodile tears when that didn't work.  I have never seen two bigger scum bag con men then David and Chris.  Likely Annie was a prostitute but after seeing the interactions with her mother, I am betting it was her who encouraged her daughter to work the streets "because its her responsibility to take care of her parents and family".  What a culture that sells its children for sustenance. Can't imagine poverty that profound.

[diva2themax]

27 minutes ago, puppytoes said:

I am watching Annie at the bridal store and I noticed she was carrying a Chanel rhinestone boy bag which runs over $5,000.  I am a designer bag connoisseur and own a few purses but Chanel is out of my league.  I have seen enough Chanel’s and it does look real but it could be a good fake.

 

 I am wondering if Nikki loaned her this purse

Oh girl that bag is 100% fake lol

[Splithair]

I'm not proud to admit this, but I teared up during the dinner scene with Josh's parents. I think it is because everyone looked like actual human beings, and the emotions really didn't seem manufactured. I really liked Josh's mom and I do think she was touched at Aika's reaction to his pain. I still don't like Josh, but he seemed like a real person on this episode.  And perhaps Aika now  understands better why Josh is so hesitant about kids. Although I don't like people making excuses for not being there for their kids.

Of course, I have a stupid cold and possibly PMS so my judgement is questionable at best.

[Straycat80]

Well played Luis, well played! Homeboy got Molly to marry him and now he can stay in the USA and live with his brother. I can’t believe a woman with a successful business and nice house got taken like that. How sad she was that desperate and I feel bad for her daughters. The TLC producer seemed pissed.

If Aika doesn’t get pregnant I’m guessing she’ll leave Josh. I liked her wedding dress, it was different. Those eyebrows tho. 

Why does Chris think David poor is such a good friend? He has basically been supporting David and Annie. Why? To be on TV? I’m confused. And Annie must be desperate to stay here to agree to marry an old, broke ass unemployed alcoholic. 

Evelyn’s dress was a blast from the past. The 70’s. 

Someone upthread said Thomas, Nicole’s brother, is MVP of this episode, I agree. Everything he said made perfect sense. Too bad she’s too stupid to listen to him. 

[puppytoes]

3 minutes ago, diva2themax said:

Oh girl that bag is 100% fake lol

It has to be but I really did think that maybe Nikki let her borrow it.  Nikki and Chris seem to have endless money.

[sainte-chapelle]

5 minutes ago, grammaester said:

Yes he was so manipulative, first with the veiled threats and inference to her past, then with the crocodile tears when that didn't work.  I have never seen two bigger scum bag con men then David and Chris.  Likely Annie was a prostitute but after seeing the interactions with her mother, I am betting it was her who encouraged her daughter to work the streets "because its her responsibility to take care of her parents and family".  What a culture that sells its children for sustenance. Can't imagine poverty that profound.

Yes the poverty is astounding, she can't go home as it will bring shame on the family as she would be blamed for not making it work with the American. She is stuck and David knows it. Annie may not be perfect but the power dynamic is not in her favour.

[spankydoll]

3 minutes ago, puppytoes said:

It has to be but I really did think that maybe Nikki let her borrow it.  Nikki and Chris seem to have endless money.

Where does one achieve endless money? Asking for a friend

[sainte-chapelle]

Forgive my ignorance but Lius walked out on the marriage, how does that affect his status? If they have separated does she need to pay spousal support? My guess is he will spend it on seedy motels, strippers and alcohol.

[Splithair]

9 minutes ago, grammaester said:

I don't wish ill on anyone but come on. Molly didn't listen to anyone about Luis including her own daughter. She jeopardized her daughter's safety by bringing a strange man who likes porn and strippers into their home without a prior introduction. I think it might be good for her to have to take a financial hit of some sort on this. Maybe it will wizen her up to not do this again in the future, at least until those poor girls leave home.

Good points and I can't argue with any of them. Maybe I really just hate to see that slimeball profit off of this whole situation, but you're absolutely right. Molly could have stopped this at any time. I do wonder if his weirdness started after they legally tied the knot, but it really doesn't matter because she shouldn't have brought such a question mark into her home in the first place.

[Sienna]

37 minutes ago, puppytoes said:

I am watching Annie at the bridal store and I noticed she was carrying a Chanel rhinestone boy bag which runs over $5,000.  I am a designer bag connoisseur and own a few purses but Chanel is out of my league.  I have seen enough Chanel’s and it does look real but it could be a good fake.

 

 I am wondering if Nikki loaned her this purse

Yeah, that's playing the bag game at Anfisa level. I'll have to take a better look when the rerun comes on in a half hour, but I'm putting my money on a good fake. I think David and Annie lived in China for awhile, and you can get some well done knock offs there.

[gingerella]

11 minutes ago, grammaester said:

Yes he was so manipulative, first with the veiled threats and inference to her past, then with the crocodile tears when that didn't work.  I have never seen two bigger scum bag con men then David and Chris.  Likely Annie was a prostitute but after seeing the interactions with her mother, I am betting it was her who encouraged her daughter to work the streets "because its her responsibility to take care of her parents and family".  What a culture that sells its children for sustenance. Can't imagine poverty that profound.

Its ironic that you 'cant imagine poverty that profound' and yet you're more than happy to publicly state on the internet that you assume Annie's mother encouraged her into prostitution. Seriously? No culture 'sells its children into [prostitution]' willingly, and Thailand is probably the last country in SE Asia that would do so. As someone who considers Thailand a second home country, I find your comment incredibly uninformed and offensive.

[Forum member]

My wife the filipina had a grandpa with Spanish blood. She was watching the groom party saying that's how Spaniards that took over the Philippines hundreds of years ago looked. I said they all looked like that except that short hairy one. He looks like some island native they brought back on the sailing ship.

[Real Eyes]

28 minutes ago, sainte-chapelle said:

It was interesting when David kept mentioning Annie's "past that we don't speak about". It was cruel and manipulative to hold that over her head as if to say "yea so what I cheated and lied to you about it, you were a prostitute so your feelings don't matter." Yea well he knew all about her when he met her, he lied , big difference douchebag.

Meh.  I can't get too worked up about it, given she was so "shocked" that he slept with prostitutes.

[mamadrama]

Sp Molly and Luis sneaked off, presumably in the middle of the filming schedule, and married without telling anyone? What was the purpose of that? Many people get married before the 90 days are up, nothing wrong with that. In fact, that's what the 90 days are for-to give you enough time to get things together for a wedding, not to see if you like living with each other. We married within 2 or 3 weeks of getting the visa (though we'd already been living with each other for several years by then). I feel bad for Molly. Luis still has a ways to go in the immigration process. He'll have to file to have the conditions of his greencard lifted, but that will be in 2 years. If they are divorced by then, then he can appeal to have the applications filed separately, rather than jointly. That generally makes the status lifting more complicated and they could deny it. When we went in for our 2-year meeting, we had to bring in a crapload of stuff to prove that we'd been living together and had formed a life together during that time. Of course, our 3-year-old son on his lap and my pregnant belly helped. 

[EarlGreyTea]

Family Elizabeth, particularly the sisters, seem to be residents of Island Passive Aggressiva. Possibly no one has ever cut through their shit like Andrei has, and when he calls them out, they fold like a cheap suit. You'll notice Jen fell all over herself trying to smooth it over after she was called out. I am seeing more and more Andrei's appeal to Elizabeth. He  cuts through the clutter. Also he has great arms.

No way in hell would I want someone at my wedding who is a total shit stirrer. That's trash, as Andrei would say (my new pet phrase).

[Real Eyes]

I don't think Luis can get assets or alimony from Molly, though she'd be on the hook for 10 years if he is approved.  At this point, if he wants a green card, it's a conditional green card, and he will have to prove the marriage was made in good faith.

[usernameG]

Can we PLEASE get Nicole a napkin? 

I am so grossed out.

[Sienna]

36 minutes ago, sainte-chapelle said:

It was interesting when David kept mentioning Annie's "past that we don't speak about". It was cruel and manipulative to hold that over her head as if to say "yea so what I cheated and lied to you about it, you were a prostitute so your feelings don't matter." Yea well he knew all about her when he met her, he lied , big difference douchebag.

David genuinely scares me, like "This story started on TLC, but it will end on the ID Channel" sort of scary.

[sainte-chapelle]

14 minutes ago, EarlGreyTea said:

 

No way in hell would I want someone at my wedding who is a total shit stirrer. That's trash, as Andrei would say (my new pet phrase).

I LOVE 'that's trash' I now use it all the time ha! I also use "and that's it" to make a point 

Edited December 18, 2017 by sainte-chapelle
More catch phrases

[Lola43]

Did no one watch the episode? Molly and Luis were married.

[puppytoes]

29 minutes ago, spankydoll said:

Where does one achieve endless money? Asking for a friend

Lol, I would like to know too.  Chris acts like he is a billionaire.

[Lemons]

46 minutes ago, grammaester said:

I don't wish ill on anyone but come on. Molly didn't listen to anyone about Luis including her own daughter. She jeopardized her daughter's safety by bringing a strange man who likes porn and strippers into their home without a prior introduction. I think it might be good for her to have to take a financial hit of some sort on this. Maybe it will wizen her up to not do this again in the future, at least until those poor girls leave home.

Regarding porn and strippers, I’m pretty sure most men like porn. And strip clubs wouldn’t stay in business without married men.  There are reasons Molly should not have married so quickly, but I don’t know about those two. 

[Sienna]

Damn, how is Nicole's brother 10 years younger in age, but a good couple of decades more mature and logical than she is? I was close to applauding.

[DVDFreaker]

3 minutes ago, Sienna said:

Damn, how is Nicole's brother 10 years younger in age, but a good couple of decades more mature and logical than she is? I was close to applauding.

You should have applauded, I would have been proud of him if that is my kid! 

[Splithair]

A few observations/questions from the David/Annie fiasco: 

1. Why was Annie sitting in the grass?

2. Why was David wearing a suit?

2a. Does David's outfit determine his personality? Suit = sober asshole, black or white droopy outfit = drunk asshole, red droopy outfit = water-buffalo shopping

3. Did David kick Annie out or did she demand to go to Chris and Nikki's?

4. Will I be strong enough to fast-forward through their scenes?

[brillia79]

2 minutes ago, Sienna said:

Damn, how is Nicole's brother 10 years younger in age, but a good couple of decades more mature and logical than she is? I was close to applauding.

Because he's been listening to his parents and repeating what they have been saying. I found him kind of annoying, like a sibling vying for attention/approval as the good kid to Nicole's fuckup status. This is really a conversation where Nicole's mom should be doing the heavy lifting instead of deferring to a 15 year old because she's too timid to say what she wants to say.

Plus, why is he focused on Azan finding work when Nicole needs to find work that will support herself and her baby? Whatever she's been doing isn't cutting it. He can't find her a job too?

The whole convo was weird because they all seemed to ignore that Nicole claimed to cheat while being mystified that Azan doesn't trust her. They don't know about her going out with a second guy, but I'm sure they will ignore that in the future. Nothing is ever her fault.

This whole family dynamic seems off.

[mamadrama]

20 minutes ago, Lola43 said:

Did no one watch the episode? Molly and Luis were married.

Um, yes? I think we've been commenting on that. :-)

[Real Eyes]

Nicole's mother is in a tough place.  Nicole is an adult.  If she wants to maintain a relationship with Nicole, she can't say those things.  It's not as if Nicole is going to listen, in any event.

[Desert Rat]

1 hour ago, Bnwcat said:

Why was Josh wearing jeans at his wedding??

 

Vegas, baby. Aika was wearing a stock gown borrowed from the chapel.  That's why it tied in back, rather than being fitted.  

[Frozendiva]

I was hoping Evil-yn's dress wasn't so 'dated'. It wasn't vintage - it could have used a bit of tailoring to get it to fit better and maybe updated a little - take it up to 3/4 length and get rid of the ruffle at the bottom to make it look better. Yes, wear the mom's dress, but take some of the 70s out of it. Starter marriage, anyway.

The short groomsman reminded me of Sisko from 'The Flash'.

Nicole, running back to Morocco is not going to solve your problems. Growing up will help. You have little to bring to a marriage to anyone. You are technically an adult, but you are very much a temper tantrum throwing three year old.

[VioletNevermind]

1 hour ago, lovesnark said:

None (unless you're a Duggaresque parent who believes your daughter was raised to be a submissive broodmare). I got married at 18 and divorced at 20. As I got older, I felt so horrible for doing that to my parents. But, I was 18 and knew everything!

Add just under two years and you have my former situation.  My parents certainly weren’t cheering from the sidelines.  They were privately flipping out and publicly maintaining a brave face because they knew they couldn’t try to change my mind without potentially damaging our relationship permanently.  I can’t even imagine the strength that required and I deeply admire them for it to this day.  I’ve never understood how parents of extremely young, inexperienced girls can possibly endorse these marriages of painfully young girls, but I’m not a Duggar, so . . .

[Lemons]

1 hour ago, sainte-chapelle said:

Dear God Aida what in the 80s rock video hell are you wearing?

At least it went with his True Religion Jeans.  His jacket looked so good, then you see the douche Jeans. 

[guilfoyleatpp]

Is Evelyn's mom actually going to wear an ivory color dress to her own daughter's wedding? 

I had previously found her innocuous, if a little sanctimonious.

The mother of the bride wearing a bridal type gown to her own daughter's wedding indicates a special brand of crazy. 

I'm actually excited to see it come out! Squee!

[Madding crowd]

On my tv her dress looked pink and I thought it looked like a typical mother of the bride dress-I will have to look again. Where was her friend Mikayla? I didn’t see her with the group. 

[biakbiak]

8 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

David's friends are hot!!!  But seriously where are his parents? 

They are there. In the extended version they joined Evelyn's family minus brother at the only breakfast restaurant in town. His dad promised to make paella.

[Splithair]

16 minutes ago, brillia79 said:

Because he's been listening to his parents and repeating what they have been saying. I found him kind of annoying, like a sibling vying for attention/approval as the good kid to Nicole's fuckup status. This is really a conversation where Nicole's mom should be doing the heavy lifting instead of deferring to a 15 year old because she's too timid to say what she wants to say.

Plus, why is he focused on Azan finding work when Nicole needs to find work that will support herself and her baby? Whatever she's been doing isn't cutting it. He can't find her a job too?

The whole convo was weird because they all seemed to ignore that Nicole claimed to cheat while being mystified that Azan doesn't trust her. They don't know about her going out with a second guy, but I'm sure they will ignore that in the future. Nothing is ever her fault.

This whole family dynamic seems off.

If I remember correctly from previous seasons, the cheating happened before they ever met in person. I'm not condoning cheating whatsoever, but is "cheating" on an online boyfriend of a few months  whom you've never actually met really cheating? More concerning is the taking off her ring and going out with another guy after they met, but the whole storyline is just way overblown. 

[Frozendiva]

7 minutes ago, SuzyLee said:

Add just under two years and you have my former situation.  My parents certainly weren’t cheering from the sidelines.  They were privately flipping out and publicly maintaining a brave face because they knew they couldn’t try to change my mind without potentially damaging our relationship permanently.  I can’t even imagine the strength that required and I deeply admire them for it to this day.  I’ve never understood how parents of extremely young, inexperienced girls can possibly endorse these marriages of painfully young girls, but I’m not a Duggar, so . . .

Maybe they just prefer 'marriage' to having a young daughter live with a dude - that brings with it a lot of possible problems. Family shame, the girl 'living in sin', possibly being knocked up without marriage. 18 is young these days. Heck, 21 or even 25 is also young. Some parents probably want their kids to get a college degree and have some sort of skill/profession first. You don't know a lot about yourself at 18 and committing yourself to a man or woman (for the rest of your life) at that age takes a lot of guts. Unless both of the couple grows together, both will slowly grow apart. Evil-yn and David will live out their karma and then possibly part ways within a short time.

[Splithair]

12 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

Maybe they just prefer 'marriage' to having a young daughter live with a dude - that brings with it a lot of possible problems. Family shame, the girl 'living in sin', possibly being knocked up without marriage. 18 is young these days. Heck, 21 or even 25 is also young. Some parents probably want their kids to get a college degree and have some sort of skill/profession first. You don't know a lot about yourself at 18 and committing yourself to a man or woman (for the rest of your life) at that age takes a lot of guts. Unless both of the couple grows together, both will slowly grow apart. Evil-yn and David will live out their karma and then possibly part ways within a short time.

Birth control is an excellent answer for avoiding most issues, whether married or living with a dude.

[Suzywriter]

Jen (Elizabeth's sister) seems like a controlling bitch. So Elizabeth doesn't get to have a relationship unless Queen Jen has deemed him worthy?

She's jealous that her little sister loves someone more than her, and she's stirring up trouble.

 

Test, indeed. Who died and left her the Relationship Gatekeeper? I'll bet anything her "successful"husband cheats on her.

[millennium]

When Ricardo was standing in the tux shop alongside his taller friends, in his tuxedo and hands folded in front, did anyone else expect him to suddenly point and blurt out "The plane!  The plane!"

Edited December 18, 2017 by millennium

[Sienna]

OMG, whoever said Aika's dress was right out of "November Rain" was SPOT. ON. It suits Aika's style, though. I *heart* JoshMom.

I actually like Evelyn's dress, but the bodice looked like it needed to be taken in, or something. The dress was wearing her, rather than the other way around. I kinda dig the vintage car, though.