Season 5 Discussion

[biakbiak]

4 minutes ago, SL16 said:

Also, if she wanted to get pregnant maybe that's something that should have been discussed BEFORE you picked up your entire life and hitched your wagon to a sterile loser, Aika.

Apparently they did discuss it and she was under the impression that it wasnt a big deal to be reversed. She needs to find a new doctor.

[bichonblitz]

51 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

think it is common, these days, for women to put off motherhood, waiting for the right man and the right situation, and then finding themselves running out of time.  

This  is true except it's Aika we're talking about. The fact that she chose Josh shows that she didn't have a whole lot going on in the Phillipines. I still want to know her story. 

[Granny58]

10 hours ago, Miss Chevious said:

If not worse. Here she'll be on her own turf and Azan will get to see firsthand how she treats her family. 

and mauls him constantly. 

10 hours ago, kacesq said:

Josh showed a scary side when Aika said she'd try another man. I thought Aika's comment was tacky, but Josh immediately raged at her. 

Maybe I missed a scene, but all I saw was him walking to his Jeep in a rage, then calming down and returning.  It was a shitty remark "I'll get another man." My husband and I dealt with infertility (on my part, but still....) and if I had said that to him or he to me, yep, there would have been intense rage.  

[shannew]

Elizabeth is messy, she likes to play both sides against one another.   And also enjoys getting permission from Andrei about going out, and even what to wear. It's like she gets off on it.

[3girlsforus]

Wow - so much hate for Evelyn’s dress! I wouldn’t say I love it but monstrosity seems harsh. I’d much prefer something like that to the stripper fairy dresses or the standard strapless fitted dress everyone seems to get regardless of their body type. 

Edited December 11, 2017 by 3girlsforus

[Granny58]

10 hours ago, brillia79 said:

He has no intention of having kids

Oh....this made me think.  Perhaps Aika doesn't actually want children either but this is manufactured drama...to get them on the show.   

10 hours ago, Forum member said:

Having no vasectomy experience, I'd have to think there's some sperm lurking in his balls. Could they shove a needle in there and extract some without doing a reversal?

Yes, I've wondered this myself.  

[Granny58]

9 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Yep. Do you know me? (lol). First month we tried, in fact. Grandmother got pregnant with her last at 46. 

I'm far from an anomaly in my neck of the woods. It's called letting women determine their own reproductive future. I think the whole "women must get pregnant when they're still young enough to not question the patriarchy" line is a load of bullshit and I'm angry at TLC for perpetuating it. 

I am really happy for you!!!  (really, that's not snarky).  I started trying to conceive in my early 30s (married at 31) and had immediate problems.   I had to have laparoscopy to look at the plumbing and blood work to determine hormone levels...not an ultrasound to determine my quantity of eggs.  In fact, I am not sure anybody mentioned that angle to me.  It seems to me, from the stories I've read, that it is one's hormones that are usually the problem, things not firing correctly...not the amount of eggs you have left.  And yet, we didn't see this "fertility specialist" discuss hormones or take any blood.  I think it is just another bogus storyline.  

[Chickabiddy]

11 hours ago, Cranky One said:

Jesus, Josh...until you and Aika even try, I think IVF is putting the cart be for the horse.

I'd get a 2nd opinion 

Josh doesn't want a second opinion. He was OVER THE MOON that this all became Aike's fault. He is going to grind that ax with her into eternity. He couldn't have found a better "expert" to help him out in that dispute if he had gone out and interviewed them personally to be sure they would be "on his side." And I am not sure why there is so much blame on Aike for waiting to have babies. Sometimes, kids, life don't work out the way we hope. Better she wait than get knocked up while living in abject poverty, right? See, this is how women get bashed no matter what they do. They get married young like Evelyn, and we bash them for starting too soon, not getting an education, not being stable financially, being baby crazy. They wait, like Aike, for the right situation and we bash them for not trying for a baby sooner. Aike is reasonably pretty and clever. If Josh is the best she can do, he past must be a sadder and darker tunnel than Melania's decorations at the WH. 

10 hours ago, CoachWristletJen said:

David wanted his kids there as props. He had no interest in their pain, their feelings, or working anything out with them.

Ashely probably spoke up because she figured for once, he had to listen to her.

David couldn't be the least bit patient or kind to diffuse her anger, either. He just got pissed off because she wasn't complying. He probably expected that because his kids were on camera, they would be polite and make him look good.

For Ashley, the intensity of her hurt was more important than what the world thought of her. She made that abundantly clear.

Totally. Ashley handled the situation like the uneducated, uncouth, bargain basement individual that David raised her to be. But, girl has some real issue to work out with a father who just takes a shit on everyone whenever he wants, and then expects them to smile and tell him he is just the bestest father, friend, man ever, all while they clean themselves off.  He just can't put any effort into anyone else. He should have met with his kids privately and had a heart to heart about their past. But that would have required that David actually give a damn, show some empathy, and put a little effort into his kids. Those items were never in David's toolbox. The daughter was a raging bitch, but kids are wired to love and forgive their parents for almost anything. David must have really done a number on them for the daughter to want to come across like that on national TV. 

10 hours ago, liammaam said:

Holy fucking GASLIGHTING, Luis.  What a shithead.  I knew, I KNEW, when he was smiling while talking about serious shit that he was just like my ex.  

Sure enough, there he is making HER feel like she's crazy when she has legit concerns.

That being said, if she married him, she's just as awful as he is.

GOD DAMN.

 

10 hours ago, liammaam said:

I will never, ever forget the feeling of absolute RAGE and craziness that my ex could whip me into.  I saw myself in her, and that sucked.  I remember getting out of control with rage because he just kept laughing at me, bringing up different subjects and telling me (in so many words) that this was my fault.

I totally get her crazy in this moment.  It literally almost made ME have a panic attack.

Luis is one dangerous, sadistic piece of work. He would be less dangerous if he were wielding an ax because at least then you can see him coming and you know what you are getting. He was totally gaslighting Molly and getting off on it in the process. It's like mental and emotional porn for him. I have been pretty hard on Molly, but I actually feel very sad for her now. She just strikes me as little girl lost who just never felt loved. I know. I  know - wah wah wah , nobody ever loved me enough and now I am making bad choices on national TV. So much of this show is scripted bullshit, but when she had her freakout last night, I felt like we were watching some true, raw  heartache come pouring out. Girl needs to get herself to a therapist to deal with her issues. 

I really hope she manages to stay strong and refuse to let the sociopathic poison that is Luis come ozzing into their lives. I am hardly a mental health expert, but I feel like we are watching in real time how a sociopath finds, tracks, and moves in on prey that he knows is weak and can be manipulated. They should show this shit in Abnormal Psychology 101. Luis is even more disturbing TV than Jesse. 

Edited December 11, 2017 by Chickabiddy

[lucy711]

9 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Yep. Do you know me? (lol). First month we tried, in fact. Grandmother got pregnant with her last at 46. 

I'm far from an anomaly in my neck of the woods. It's called letting women determine their own reproductive future. I think the whole "women must get pregnant when they're still young enough to not question the patriarchy" line is a load of bullshit and I'm angry at TLC for perpetuating it. 

I agree with you to a point.  It is scientific fact that women's chances of becoming pregnant decrease with age, especially after 35, although certainly it can still happen.  But pretty much every woman in my family hits menopause by her early 40s, so there would be no way I'd be having a kid at 46.    It is important for women to be aware of the science behind it because there are women who think they have plenty of time and when they settle down in their late 30s suddenly can't get pregnant and are devastated, understandably.  Many of my friends are going through that, and in vitro doesn't always work and is expensive.  Having kids later in life works for many women, but it also doesn't work for many women.  Aika probably still could have a kid, but she shouldn't be wasting her time with a guy who has zero interest in it!

[Chickabiddy]

9 hours ago, eggsnbacon said:

11 hours ago, NinaH said:

Aika needs to get over herself and wanting kids. She's had nearly 20 years to accomplish that and while I think Josh is a loser asshole, this isn't on him.  I wouldn't like being lied to, would resent the hell out of it, but I would also wouldn't be desperate enough to put up with that shit either. 

Your first comment is a really awful thing to say about any women wanting kids. She can still have kids, its just harder to get pregnant. All of us know women who have had children over the age of 35. She isn't in her 40s yet. 

Cosign this completely. Thanks for saying what I was thinking. Women can't win sometimes. We blame them for having kids too early and we blame them when they wait for the right situation. Society really can put women in a viscous Catch -22. Damned if they do, and damned if they don't. 

Edited December 11, 2017 by Chickabiddy
Cus it's not a Catch 222 Duh!

[Granny58]

4 hours ago, Lily247 said:

I didnt feel one bit sorry for Annie. What were her expectations ? The whole situation between her and David is gross and very clear she is a user (he is using her too, as a maid and sex package). A 24 year old woman marrying 48 year old man for a green card who has kids older than her, who demanded thousands and thousands of dollars from a man who clearly doesnt help the family the kids he already has, including a teenage son ... she knows they all see through her and will not have an ounce of respect for her. This isnt really about American culture vs Thai culture. I dont imagine there is an equivalent in Thai culture to having your older dad marrying a very young woman from an impoverished country to give her a green card, so Annie cant really compare. (Or if there is, probably not in her villa

I truly believe she wants to marry him only in order to be able to work in America and send money back home. 

[Pondlass1]

7 hours ago, balisticnikki said:

is there anyone not howling with laughter?!

There are some talented posters on here who should be writing for sitcoms.  I've spurted out my morning coffee at least twice so far.

The only person I really worry about is wee May.  

[sconstant]

6 minutes ago, Chickabiddy said:

Women can't win sometimes. We blame them for having kids too early and we blame them when they wait for the right situation. 

And on the same channel, in succession, on Sunday nights.  The fertility doc thing was super edited, the missing step was clearly "hey, so instead of the reversal which may be costly and not work, why don't we do IVF to get those suckers out.  And now that we're talking IVF, we need to look at what's going on with the woman.

David is such a manipulative person, the way he manages his kids, his fiance, the interviews.  It's like he's creating his own reality and for no reason I can understand it's working for him.  Annie is 100% in on the joke, though.  They tell her to say "do children really talk to their parents this way?" as if Ashley was a child, and she gives a good line reading for them.  Feel bad for Jacob.

Totally a detail, but when Andrrrrrrei was saying goodbye to Elizabeth before her party, what was the "nose" comment?  It was so random.  I rewound twice and was still not sure whether this was (a) an inside joke, (b) bad captioning of some other comment, or (c) something I am totally missing.

[Trackdawg]

11 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Azan, Nicole will be exactly the same in the US as she was in Morocco. 

But there are SO many more gyms....for her to drive by on her way to McDonalds.

[poeticlicensed]

10 hours ago, liammaam said:

Assholes, and WOO WOO girls.  I hate woo woo girls.  

Is it WOO WOO or WOO HOO girls? OMG I was in Chicago last summer and unknowingly booked a hotel in the area frequented by such types and  they were out on the streets at night in droves. 

[Bryce Lynch]

1 hour ago, bichonblitz said:

This  is true except it's Aika we're talking about. The fact that she chose Josh shows that she didn't have a whole lot going on in the Phillipines. I still want to know her story. 

If she didn't have a whole lot going on the the Philippines that could explain why she put off having children.  I would also like to know her story.  I don't think they have mentioned anything about what she did for a living.   It seems like the only foreigners who had jobs we know about are Luis (Bartender) and Andrrrei (Bouncer) and Azan (unemployed fitness trainer, allegedly due to excessive calls from Nicole).  

[Trackdawg]

2 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Is it WOO WOO or WOO HOO girls? OMG I was in Chicago last summer and unknowingly booked a hotel in the area frequented by such types and  they were out on the streets at night in droves. 

Actually, I thought it was just "Woo Girls."

[sasha206]

11 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

Annie - David's crappy relationship with his kids has nothing to do with you. He deserted his family. His kids are pissed. David's daughter speaks truth. 

Annie:  There is no upside to David.  None.  America isn't worth this.  Go back and try to find another American.

And I know this is an awful thing to say, but I felt so bad for David's daughter in that she is the spitting image of David, just with makeup.  Poor kid.

[Bryce Lynch]

19 minutes ago, Chickabiddy said:

Cosign this completely. Thanks for saying what I was thinking. Women can't win sometimes. We blame them for having kids too early and we blame them when they wait for the right situation. Society really can put women in a viscous Catch -222. Damned if they do, and damned if they don't. 

I totally agree with this.   We have no idea what her situation is.  But, if she was poor and single, and perhaps not doing work conducive to motherhood, it would make sense for her to delay having children.  Now she is at the stage, where it is probably not too late, but where her age is becoming an issue, so it would make sense for her to have a sense of urgency that she might not have had 5 or 10 years ago.

[Lily247]

5 hours ago, kewpiedolls said:

For someone who so desperately longs to have children and has nothing medically wrong with her, you would think that Aika would've had one in her 20s or early 30s. But I agree that the doctor was being over-the-top with her.

 

I think some women just dont build up the desire to have children until they reach a certain age like mid 30s and realize they have to do something about it fast or lose out on motherhood altogether. I have known young women in high school and college who talked about babies all the time in their late teens and early 20s, and most in that crowd got married young and did, indeed, have babies right away. Then there are the ones who did not think about children at all until approximately age 32. I think that despite what she may say Aika is in that second category. She has a very "rocker" vibe about her (or I just get a vibe that she had a lot of fun in her 20s). 

15 minutes ago, Granny58 said:

I truly believe she wants to marry him only in order to be able to work in America and send money back home. 

If so, she is still using him, just like he is using her ... 

[CoachWristletJen]

37 minutes ago, Chickabiddy said:

 

Totally. Ashley handled the situation like the uneducated, uncouth, bargain basement individual that David raised her to be. But, girl has some real issue to work out with a father who just takes a shit on everyone whenever he wants, and then expects them to smile and tell him he is just the bestest father, friend, man ever, all while they clean themselves off.  He just can't put any effort into anyone else. He should have met with his kids privately and had a heart to heart about their past. But that would have required that David actually give a damn, show some empathy, and put a little effort into his kids. Those items were never in David's toolbox. The daughter was a raging bitch, but kids are wired to love and forgive their parents for almost anything. David must have really done a number on them for the daughter to want to come across like that on national TV. 

 

Very well put! I really should highlight the whole thing. Bottom line is that David is one coldhearted SOB. And, he did do a number on her.

My dad was an alcoholic and could be pretty cold in his own right although when push came to shove he wasn't half the creep that David was. For one thing, he was an excellent provider, always. I did go through some anger with him mainly in my twenties, which included escorting his mistress from my mother's funeral. I was able to do it discreetly, thank God, because in the state I was in, if push came to shove, I'm not sure what might have happened. That's why I could seriously feel Ashley's pain because deep down the issue is, "Why doesn't he love me?"

I know that Ashley feels like if she were dangling off the edge of a cliff, and a bottle of Jack Daniels was also dangling off the edge of a cliff, David would rescue the Jack Daniels and make some smarmy excuse for it. And that feeling of betrayal runs deep, and it hurts. Ashley, if you're reading this, I feel your pain! Guaranteed, neither one of us could make it through the movie Father of the Bride without vomiting. 

Again, my dad wasn't nearly as big of a bastard as David Poor. He had a work ethic. And friends. He didn't want them, but he had them. People respected him. Feared him, actually. He could intimidate people without even raising his voice. It was a gift. But I digress.

By the time I was in my thirties I was able to be more forgiving and accept him for who he was, but again, my dad was no David Poor. I don't know what I would do in her situation. I do believe the best situation is to forgive, not because he deserves it, but because she does. One day he will be dead, and at the rate he is going, that will be sooner, rather than later. I hope that's not the case, but believe me, death changes everything. I was so glad I was able to forgive my dad and treat him with the respect he didn't deserve. I think that's the best route for Ashley if she can muster it.

The only reason Annie cares if he will cheat is because she's momentarily caught up in the game of being his wife. In the back of her mind she knows she will leave as soon as she finds something better. Seriously, if he finds another woman to give him blowjobs, she'll be grateful. That's one less thing on her to-do list.

I think part of the reason people  can obsess over this show is because the situations are real. Perhaps not all of them, but this certainly was. We find stuff that we can connect with or at least I can. Also, the travel stuff.

Edited December 11, 2017 by CoachWristletJen

[CoachWristletJen]

40 minutes ago, Chickabiddy said:

Josh doesn't want a second opinion. He was OVER THE MOON that this all became Aike's fault. He is going to grind that ax with her into eternity. He couldn't have found a better "expert" to help him out in that dispute if he had gone out and interviewed them personally to be sure they would be "on his side." And I am not sure why there is so much blame on Aike for waiting to have babies. Sometimes, kids, life don't work out the way we hope. Better she wait than get knocked up while living in abject poverty, right? See, this is how women get bashed no matter what they do. They get married young like Evelyn, and we bash them for starting too soon, not getting an education, not being stable financially, being baby crazy. They wait, like Aike, for the right situation and we bash them for not trying for a baby sooner. Aike is reasonably pretty and clever. If Josh is the best she can do, he past must be a sadder and darker tunnel than Melania's decorations at the WH. 

 

Agreed. Aike might be every bit as desperate as Annie. She just hides it and deals with it differently. She's smart enough not to put out a sad face all the time.

Aike may have some difficulty conceiving, but at this point, Josh can't get a woman pregnant AT ALL. He's got no business bashing her. And as for him being insulted about her talking about his masculinity, he should give her some leeway for English not being her first language. Or say, "Honey, I wish you wouldn't say it that way because here that means something different than perhaps you intended."

He has no intentions of following through.

I hope she finds a nice guy to cheat with behind his back. By the time he figures it out, she will have her green card. Seriously, she'll have no problem finding an attractive, willing sperm donor.

[poeticlicensed]

12 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

13 hours ago, sainte-chapelle said:

I have two friends who had their first children without issue at 40. The doctor needs to take I down a notch.

Yep. Do you know me? (lol). First month we tried, in fact. Grandmother got pregnant with her last at 46. 

I'm far from an anomaly in my neck of the woods. It's called letting women determine their own reproductive future. I think the whole "women must get pregnant when they're still young enough to not question the patriarchy" line is a load of bullshit and I'm angry at TLC for perpetuating it. 

Yes, I was sitting there screaming at my TV while the fertility doctor was suggesting egg harvesting at 36. I had my oldest at 30 and my youngest at 38. It took me exactly one month to get pg with both. At 36, they should be trying naturally before undergoing IVF or AI. Methinks the doctor was more than willing to sell possibly unnecessary  services to someone who may not need them. 

Edited December 11, 2017 by poeticlicensed

[Bryce Lynch]

22 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Annie:  There is no upside to David.  None.  America isn't worth this.  Go back and try to find another American.

And I know this is an awful thing to say, but I felt so bad for David's daughter in that she is the spitting image of David, just with makeup.  Poor kid.

I believe once you have come here on a K-1 visa and not gotten married, it is very difficult to get another K-1.   Depending upon how bad things were for Annie in Thailand and how hard she is willing to work in America, being stuck being married to David Poor for a couple of years before she gets her green card might not be as bad as going home.   

[CoachWristletJen]

12 hours ago, hawkhd said:

Vasectomized.... bless you, Aika

 

Molly said Luis is Pentecostal. How common is that in the DR? I was definitely leaning Catholic on him. 

There are Catholic Pentecostals although they're a rare breed.

There is a lot more superstition in the DR. And, there is voodoo. Certainly, the images and symbols would hold more power in Luis's mind, especially if he has a religious background. The lines between Christianity and voodoo/idolatry are very sharply drawn in some churches, merged in others.

That being said, it's a bullshit excuse as far as Luis is concerned. He could care less about the idols. He just wanted to get a rise out of Molly and hurt her. He doesn't like her.

I think Luis knows he has absolute control over Molly. She will bluster and scream and cry and threaten to make him leave. She may even pack his suitcase and drag it to the door. However, she won't make him leave. Au contraire, she would get on her knees and beg him to stay. Luis knows this and enjoys flexing his muscles. He's one sick pup.

Edited December 11, 2017 by CoachWristletJen

[sasha206]

Molly.  I don't get what it is she sees in Luis.  He's a greasy mess.  Not attractive.  As tacky as she is, she's at least a very pretty woman.  She can't do better here?

[Momof2boyz]

10 hours ago, eggsnbacon said:

Your first comment is a really awful thing to say about any women wanting kids. She can still have kids, its just harder to get pregnant. All of us know women who have had children over the age of 35. She isn't in her 40s yet. 

I had my first at 34 and my second at 38.  No issues at all!  36 is not old at all!  

[Lily247]

BTW Libby's sisters clearly just wanted to have their tight booty shorts on TV so we could watch them boringly curl their hair. 

Evelyn's vintage style is starting to wear on me, and I think that she goes for that same look with her hair as well. 

TBH, as a woman I would have no interest marrying a 27 year old male virgin. A 21 year old male virgin because of religion, OK. But 27 ... I'm thinking that that has got to have affected his sex drive somewhat (as in, lowering it). Plus, that first time is going to be really, really short unfortunately. 

Luis: "Why you no have bibles in your home ???"

Molly: "I have the scripture in my bathroom !!!"

Edited December 11, 2017 by Lily247

[CoachWristletJen]

Molly, do us all a favor and quit saying you put your kids first.

You sound just like Danielle. 

We all know that you don't put your kids first. 

You put the lazy boy-man first.

Just please... quit saying that.

[Pepper Mostly]

12 hours ago, Bubbles1967 said:

Please please please Molly buy him a ticket to DR

the smirk on his face was infuriating. I yelled at the tv and told him to get the fuck out of her house...

like he’s going to listen to me.

I was watching some trashy reality TV show and yelling at the screen, as usual, when my son, who was maybe 10 or 11 at the time, said "Mommy. You know they can't hear you, right?"

12 hours ago, hawkhd said:

Molly said Luis is Pentecostal. How common is that in the DR? I was definitely leaning Catholic on him. 

There are lots and lots of Domincans in my area, and lots of Pentecostal, evangelical churches in those communities. Its very common. I know more evangelical Dominicans than Catholic ones.

12 hours ago, NinaH said:

Your stepfather handled that very well. My fiancé is the same way with my 10 y/o son - he's there for him like a father and is as good to him as his own father but doesn't expect or command that my son think of him as a father, or call him dad. By doing so, their relationship has blossomed into one of mutual love and respect and my son thinks of him as his extra dad. My fiancé was smart enough to let my son adapt to him in his own time and in the meantime, be fatherly without forcing it. 

 

I just binged a Swedish show on Netflix called "Bonus Family" (it was very enjoyable, by the way!)--about a divorced couple and all the new permutations of their various relationships. Apparently in Sweden a step-parent can be referred to a "bonus dad" or "bonus mom". Your son thinking of your fiance as an "extra" dad reminded me of that. Its nice.

 

11 hours ago, Miss Chevious said:

Saw Evilyn modeling her wedding dress in the preview for next week. Reminded me of Little House on the Prairie.

 

11 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

That monstrosity HAS to be her mom's wedding dress ...... 

It could be her grandma's wedding dress! I had one just like it in 1974, when I was a cute young hippie chick and swanned around in long dresses, either India print from incense reeking shops in Cambridge, or white muslin GunneSax. That dress is vintage GunneSax or I miss my guess. I must have owned a dozen of them--I still remember a gorgeous ivory satin one I bought at the Limited at a $5 sale, and one I got in Filene's Basement, also for $5, that I wore to work (it was just a regular knee length cotton dress. It has three different prints, bell sleeves, the classic GunneSax laced bodice, and ruffles galore!) Those dresses were all the rage.

 

10 hours ago, Neurochick said:

I wonder how Molly acted in DR.  Did she make Luis feel that life with her would be a nonstop party?  I wonder if she was honest about her parental situation and what she expected from Luis.

Luis mentioned this a few episodes ago--he said in the DR it was nonstop fun, they'd go to the beach, the club, the disco every day. Yes, Luis, vacation is nothing like everyday life. Shocker.

8 hours ago, millennium said:

(During the Aika segment I amused myself by superimposing Molly on the fertility specialist: "The problem is your AIGS!")

 

Dead.

5 hours ago, mamadrama said:

I would pack his bags and send him and his little fakely pious, gaslighting, disrespectful, inappropriate, gold-digging, stripper drooling, sanky panky, douchebaggery fuckery back to the DR. Coach. With at least 3 flight changes. And a 12-hour stopover someplace-and not anywhere cool or where it would be convenient for him to get out and do something. That ought to wipe that little shit-eating grin off his face. 

 @mamadrama, bowing down. My sentiments exactly. Send him to the DR by way of Mongolia. Hahahahahahaha!

[shockermolar]

13 hours ago, Chickabiddy said:

Is it just me or did that fertility doctor sound a little over dramatic about Aike’s dwindling supply of quality eggs? It’s like Josh paid her off to blame Aike for waiting. And that douche Josh couldn’t even hide hus glee when he said “We came here to talk about my stuff and now it looks like she’s the problem.” Loved the camera shot of Josh glancing at his watch and then giving Aike the side eye. Dr. Fertility also seemed a little over eager to upsell them on invitro fertilization 

When the doctor said something to the effect of "everyday woman is losing thousands of eggs" I literally turned to my sons and told them "that is NOT how it works." My 16yo replied, "I think she means it in a general sense, like every day ALL the women cumulatively are losing thousands of eggs." And I was all, "AH. That makes more sense." 

[politichick]

1 hour ago, Chickabiddy said:

Josh doesn't want a second opinion. He was OVER THE MOON that this all became Aike's fault. He is going to grind that ax with her into eternity. He couldn't have found a better "expert" to help him out in that dispute if he had gone out and interviewed them personally to be sure they would be "on his side." And I am not sure why there is so much blame on Aike for waiting to have babies. Sometimes, kids, life don't work out the way we hope. Better she wait than get knocked up while living in abject poverty, right? See, this is how women get bashed no matter what they do. They get married young like Evelyn, and we bash them for starting too soon, not getting an education, not being stable financially, being baby crazy. They wait, like Aike, for the right situation and we bash them for not trying for a baby sooner. Aike is reasonably pretty and clever. If Josh is the best she can do, he past must be a sadder and darker tunnel than Melania's decorations at the WH. 

Totally. Ashley handled the situation like the uneducated, uncouth, bargain basement individual that David raised her to be. But, girl has some real issue to work out with a father who just takes a shit on everyone whenever he wants, and then expects them to smile and tell him he is just the bestest father, friend, man ever, all while they clean themselves off.  He just can't put any effort into anyone else. He should have met with his kids privately and had a heart to heart about their past. But that would have required that David actually give a damn, show some empathy, and put a little effort into his kids. Those items were never in David's toolbox. The daughter was a raging bitch, but kids are wired to love and forgive their parents for almost anything. David must have really done a number on them for the daughter to want to come across like that on national TV. 

 

Luis is one dangerous, sadistic piece of work. He would be less dangerous if he were wielding an ax because at least then you can see him coming and you know what you are getting. He was totally gaslighting Molly and getting off on it in the process. It's like mental and emotional porn for him. I have been pretty hard on Molly, but I actually feel very sad for her now. She just strikes me as little girl lost who just never felt loved. I know. I  know - wah wah wah , nobody ever loved me enough and now I am making bad choices on national TV. So much of this show is scripted bullshit, but when she had her freakout last night, I felt like we were watching some true, raw  heartache come pouring out. Girl needs to get herself to a therapist to deal with her issues. 

I really hope she manages to stay strong and refuse to let the sociopathic poison that is Luis come ozzing into their lives. I am hardly a mental health expert, but I feel like we are watching in real time how a sociopath finds, tracks, and moves in on prey that he knows is weak and can be manipulated. They should show this shit in Abnormal Psychology 101. Luis is even more disturbing TV than Jesse. 

Molly is a complete and utter fool to even consider marrying Luis. He is dangerous and her children don't deserve to have to share their home with a menace like that. I also really, really hope she got a pre-nup and is getting multiple orgasms every night. I wonder what her family had to say after viewing that episode last night.

I don't know what the deal is with Annie or Aika but they have hitched their wheels to the most wrong, broke-down wagons ever. So sad.

[Forum member]

My wife worked retail sales in a department store in the Philippines and sent most of her paycheck to her parents. They were required to wear makeup and dresses. They had to be single. When one of the sales girls got old, like mid 30s, she would be fired and nobody else would hire her when they could get an 18 year old instead. I could see Aika about to be put out to pasture and grabbing onto Josh. Even though she's pretty and smart, the Chinese bosses who run most businesses prefer younger sales girls.

[Former Nun]

35 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

As tacky as she is, she's at least a very pretty woman.  She can't do better here?

She must have tried numerous times...she has two daughters.  She's too bitchy, too desperate, too bossy, too independent, too fat (there, I said it...and I'm heavier than she is!), too spoiled, too rich, etc.   

If she hadn't INSISTED (too early) that Luis be their stepfather and begin taking immediate charge of their activities/care while she's working, maybe his attitude would be different.  Still, he's very young and loves his old single life.  He needed to be slipped into the role of manservant slowly, s-l-o-w-l-y.

[Cherrio]

2 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Apparently they did discuss it and she was under the impression that it wasnt a big deal to be reversed. She needs to find a new doctor.

Maybe they consulted with Mambo Gladys.

[sasha206]

2 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

She must have tried numerous times...she has two daughters.  She's too bitchy, too desperate, too bossy, too independent, too fat (there, I said it...and I'm heavier than she is!), too spoiled, too rich, etc.   

If she hadn't INSISTED (too early) that Luis be their stepfather and begin taking immediate charge of their activities/care while she's working, maybe his attitude would be different.  Still, he's very young and loves his old single life.  He needed to be slipped into the role of manservant slowly, s-l-o-w-l-y.

I"m giggling over too fat!

I just marvel at the mates that these people pick from other countries.  Very few of them are actually even that attractive and I suspect that's why they go over there -- to find someone beholden to them and out of their league in the states.  Molly is about 10,000 times better looking that Luis to me, even as heavy as she is.  That voice though.  Shudders.

[shockermolar]

12 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

I'm sorry, what woman doesn't know that fertility decreases with age. Why is,Aika looking so shocked? 

The Philippines, in comparison with other countries in SE and Central Asia, has an older median age for marriage and childbearing, and a higher fertility rate. Source: the Google.  But the thing is, why would she necessarily know that her egg production is low? It's not like 36 is a crone. It's CERTAINLY young enough to conceive and bear a child. I think she's mostly looking shocked at the intimation that she has anything wrong with her. Or maybe she was just shocked that they went to the doctor to theoretically see about a vasectomy reversal (and REALLY, a fertility OB is the go to for that?) and instead she had an ultrasound wand shoved up her hoo ha (see Libby, THAT'S what a hoo ha is!) to count her eggs.

[islandgal140]

Since I am self-certified:

I loved every inch of Ashley's messy antics. I collected every drop of tea she spilled and drank it out of my Royal Doulton teacups with the hand-painted periwinkles. David knew WTF he was getting when he invited her to film. Hell, he was probably banking on it since this probably secured him a spot on After the 90 days (secure the bag).

Speaking of securing the bag, is it me or does Azan seem to get conciliatory, reasonable and optimistic about his love of Nicole 24 hrs before she is due to get back on a plane and go thousands of miles away from him?

Azan after he dropped Little Lotta at the airport:

Luis is a gaslighting, misogynistic, smug, greasy POS. No doubt in my mind that he will be cheating within the 1st year of marriage. Molly is a fool to marry this man after he has shown her exactly who he is. I feel sorry for her kids. She needs to learn that some men are keepers and others are vacation dack. Luis's ass should have been left in unclaimed baggage at Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport. 

That fertility doctor must have a lake house and rent is due because she was being entirely too extra during that appt. "Losing thousands of eggs a day" Girl really? Unless Aika is a walking chicken egg factory that seems impossible. On the other hand, I don't think it was wrong of her to advise Aika that her fertility has dropped dramatically and will continue to do so. Those are facts. Anecdotal evidence of how you, your grandmother or your brother's best friend's second cousin twice removed was able to get pregnant on the first try at the tender age of 47 with no medical intervention can be misleading and give a false sense of security to women who are past a certain age. No, those over 35 or even over 40 should not lose hope and should be buoyed by such stories, but I also don't want them to think that is normal, typical or even optimal. 

Josh ain't shit, but Aika lost a few points with me this episode. The doctor was wrong to put it all on Aika and ignore Josh's current complete inability to have children, but during that argument at the cafe, it was like she wasn't even at the appt and didn't hear a word the Dr. said, plus she becomes quite petulant and nasty when angry.  With her low blows and Josh's past history, this has the potential to get ugly. 

To go back to my messy bitchery: glad to have the ultimate receipt from a licensed and board certified medical professional using the latest in ultrasonic imagery that Aika is indeed a bio female. I had my doubts. 

Did Elizabeth actually say in the limo that she could now wear lipstick and heels? When was that ever forbidden? I kinda wish Andrrrreeeiii would forbid her from wearing lipstick. The colors are actually pretty but she doesn't have the mouth/face for it. 

This whole bachelorette party was a storyline to poke at Andrei's baser instincts and hopefully cause drama. Nothing else. Baby sister is getting married and all the sisters can think about is renting ugly ass limos, shaking their long backs in a Miami club? 

Andrei's excessive use of the word 'like' was starting to make my ears bleed. Please no one here, play a drinking game when he says it. You will be sure to die of alcohol poisoning. 

I'm officially bored by David and Evelyn. 

[Awfarmington]

2 minutes ago, shockermolar said:

The Philippines, in comparison with other countries in SE and Central Asia, has an older median age for marriage and childbearing, and a higher fertility rate. Source: the Google.  But the thing is, why would she necessarily know that her egg production is low? It's not like 36 is a crone. It's CERTAINLY young enough to conceive and bear a child. I think she's mostly looking shocked at the intimation that she has anything wrong with her. Or maybe she was just shocked that they went to the doctor to theoretically see about a vasectomy reversal (and REALLY, a fertility OB is the go to for that?) and instead she had an ultrasound wand shoved up her hoo ha (see Libby, THAT'S what a hoo ha is!) to count her eggs.

The cost of a sperm donor would be much lower than all this other brouhaha. Also adventitious for other reasons. She could start trying right away. And that would be awesome if she took the first try, showing that smug little jerk that she wasn't the problem. But most importantly, they would be sparing the world more of Josh's gene pool. 

[Dobian]

Hey Luis, how  many times did you go to church on your visit since you're suddenly so super religious?

Luis is a total asshole, but Molly is a bigger asshole if she marries this chump and forces him onto her kids' lives...until he takes her to the cleaners in a divorce.  All so she can get her face on television and live out her fantasy of marrying a Caribbean bartender.  What an idiot.

Hey Josh, how about you just shut up and reverse the vasectomy and get Aika pregnant while she's still in her 30s?  A lot of women get pregnant naturally in their late 30s and her lower egg count just means she'll be running out when she's 40 not when she's 44.

David's daughter might be totally right about him but she is one obnoxious woman.

Azan, is there no one in Morocco for you?

Elizabeth better nip this control issue with Andrei in the bud right now or she is in for marriage hell.

Evelyn and David were the least annoying pair this week, who'd have thought.

Edited December 11, 2017 by Dobian

[islandgal140]

27 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

She must have tried numerous times...she has two daughters.  She's too bitchy, too desperate, too bossy, too independent, too fat (there, I said it...and I'm heavier than she is!), too spoiled, too rich, etc.   

If she hadn't INSISTED (too early) that Luis be their stepfather and begin taking immediate charge of their activities/care while she's working, maybe his attitude would be different.  Still, he's very young and loves his old single life.  He needed to be slipped into the role of manservant slowly, s-l-o-w-l-y.

I just don't get her insistence on having Luis not only be an insta-stepdaddy but also be a full-time babysitter. She should've imported a Dominican au-pair/nanny if having assisting child rearing was her main goal. I will always think she ain't shit for having that man babysit her child unsupervised the moment he entered the country and she had known him, all of what?  Days?!? 

The level of tragic brows on this show is astronomical. Somebody get Anastasia of Beverly Hills (the eyebrow grooming queen) to do a promo/cameo on this show STAT! 

[AZChristian]

14 minutes ago, Awfarmington said:

The cost of a sperm donor would be much lower than all this other brouhaha. Also adventitious for other reasons. She could start trying right away. And that would be awesome if she took the first try, showing that smug little jerk that she wasn't the problem. But most importantly, they would be sparing the world more of Josh's gene pool. 

Cost of a sperm donor could be as low as a couple of margaritas at a nearby bar.  A better investment than either reversal or IVF, especially considering Josh doesn't even have enough money to set them up in an apartment.  

Edited December 11, 2017 by AZChristian

[Former Nun]

12 minutes ago, Awfarmington said:

But most importantly, they would be sparing the world more of Josh's gene pool. 

Best line of the day!

[islandgal140]

I was riveted by posterboy fuckboi Luis's ability to pivot and completely derail Molly. 

Molly not buying Luis sudden inability to follow English: "you can say make me some chicken. You know how to say, make me a SANDWICH"

I died a little inside.

 

Edited December 11, 2017 by islandgal140

[calpurnia99]

Skanky fake phony sisters..that Jen is disgusting with her fake hair, her blown up lips, her botox. She represents all that is wrong with the modern world. I HATE this bitch!  She looks like a Barbie blow up doll.

[balisticnikki]

6 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Luis wasn't drunk/stoned/looking for an excuse to leave. Let's say that the whole religious spiel was always lurking under the surface and would've come out eventually. Treating her children horribly (even though I find both of her kids bratty, it still doesn't excuse his actions and attitude), treating Molly with disrespect, etc and then blaming HIS actions and attitude on HER because of the decorations in her house? And then almost literally going on a "witchhunt" with her, accusing her of Satanism as a justification for his actions? That is one short stop of religious abuse and that's scary. 

There's absolutely got to be more to this. Surely, they've discussed the religious relics before, off camera. No one could pull that out of thin air....

[AnnaL]

Just some very cynical thoughts :/

Could we stop pretending that anything that Ashley said to Annie would make any difference? 

Annie is not an innocent victim who is going into this blind by love, she is a very practical woman who found her ticket to America via a loser like David. She doesn't care that he is an awful human being, a horrible father, a cheater and someone who hangs around prostitutes, word around is that this is exactly how he met Annie. Annie is going to make this work for the 2-3 years that is required before she can divorce him and then hopefully she will find another sucker (with more resources) and move on. 

The only reason why she is pretending IMO that she is so "shocked" by all this is because she knows it build a better case for her to divorce him sooner claiming some kind of abuse. 

Annie knows this is a game, she is playing it like a pro. No feelings involved here. The only feelings she has is probably rage that her first victim (older rich guy) didn't want to marry her and now she has to endure this guy who she is so repulsed by. She never thought that the Green Card would demand so much work and humiliation, but alas it is what it is. 

Ashley could tell Annie that her father is an alien with three heads and she would still marry him. Still absolutely zero justification for Ashley for such scenes. Right time, right place.

My only hope in this whole circus is that Annie still has a soft spot on her callous heart and she doesn't bring a child into the mix. That would be inexcusable. 

[Boofish]

Treating your children like crap - let's give it some time.  Disrespecting your owl statue - YOU NEED TO LEAVE.

[Chickabiddy]

14 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

I was riveted by posterboy fuckboi Luis's ability to pivot and completely derail Molly. 

Molly not buying Luis sudden inability to follow English: "you can say make me some chicken. You know how to say, make me a SANDWICH"

I died a little inside.

 

Is it just me or does this clip make Luis looked like deranged Muppet?  I'm thinking Elmo's psycho cousin from the DR. Someone please tell me if I am off base. 

Edited December 11, 2017 by Chickabiddy

[Indy USAF]

12 hours ago, Tress said:

Absolutely.  It doesn't matter how she thinks, it's how HE thinks.  He is a misogynist.  YOU WOMAN!!

I like Andrei to a certain point, but Moldova has the worst rate of alcoholism on the planet!  Somehow I think he's used to going out with the boys and getting shitfaced.  He just doesn't have any boys in Florida.  He's going to have to loosen up or they won't make it?