S08.E13: Winter in Summer

[DangerousMinds]

3 hours ago, butterbody said:

Every time someone says they fear for what might happen to Jenelle out in that swamp, I think, "why?". As long as nothing happens to Kaiser, that bitch' s body can be eaten by gators after David bludgeons her for all I care. Karma is a cunt and so is Jenelle.

Yep.

[mamadrama]

1 hour ago, KittyKat133 said:

I actually can't stand when parents let their little ones witness birth! I have a friend who has six kids and 4 of them home bathtub births. She actually had a professional photographer and videographer there documenting. I mean to each their own. And you are probably right that it's the least traumatizing thing they have put her through but st the same time she's not 9 or 10 or 12 SHES FIVE!!!! Maybe in a zen environment with limited view but nova watched her mother screaming in excruciating pain and witnessed the blood and gore aspect of it all! 

I don't know if you have kids, but my first I had third degree tearing. I myself was actually traumatized. I certainly would NEVER want my daughter to see that! I'm literally about to have my second any minute and I'm dreading this whole thing. 

@ghoulina is a mother-a few times over, if I am remembering correctly. 

I accepted a long time ago that I, as a parent, am going to make choices with my kids that other people are going to turn up their noses at. I'm pretty soggy with rules, for instance. My kids don't have bedtimes, go ghost hunting with me (we have our own ghosthunting You Tube series, in fact), watch gory horror movies, curse at home (as long as it's in the appropriate context and no other word will suffice), and I frequently take them out of school to go on business trips with me. And yes, my son was there for the birth of my two youngest. But I've also accepted the fact that other mothers make decisions that I just can't wrap MY head around. For the first 5 years as a parent I let it drive me crazy, all the judgment: me judging them, them judging me. For the next 5 years, however, I worked on letting it go. Everyone has their own style of parenting and everyone does what works for them. What works for and makes sense to my family might not for yours. And that's totally okay. People might think I'm weird, but I sometimes think THEY'RE weird. And that's okay, too. In the end, we're all just trying to do our best. 

[ktwo]

OK, so Jenelle went to St. Thomas and Chelsea went to the Gulf Coast. Both were devastated by hurricanes in the interim.

Am I completely off base for expecting MTV to say SOMETHING about supporting hurricane relief to those areas? I was really thinking they'd have a bumper between the St. Thomas scenes and the commercial, but - nothing.

[mamadrama]

10 minutes ago, ktwo said:

OK, so Jenelle went to St. Thomas and Chelsea went to the Gulf Coast. Both were devastated by hurricanes in the interim.

Am I completely off base for expecting MTV to say SOMETHING about supporting hurricane relief to those areas? I was really thinking they'd have a bumper between the St. Thomas scenes and the commercial, but - nothing.

Even a little BSOJ (black screen of justice for the non-INTERVENTION viewers) after the show went off would've been nice. 

[nikita]

1 hour ago, LotusFlower said:

Did she really do this?  

It's also why the whole adoption storyline was such obvious fabricated, bogus storyline b.s.  I can't stand when they insult the audience's intelligence like this.  (Ok, so I know I haven't tuned in to Ken Burns' Vietnam War documentary on PBS, but still....)

I've seen it posted here that several months ago she tweeted she was in the market for a baby daddy. I didn't see it myself. Maybe it was some weird form of flirting ???

[salvame]

OMG - listening to Leah' rationale for being a motivational speaker. "Those are big ones I think I've overcomed"  SMH

[KittyKat133]

1 hour ago, mamadrama said:

@ghoulina is a mother-a few times over, if I am remembering correctly. 

I accepted a long time ago that I, as a parent, am going to make choices with my kids that other people are going to turn up their noses at. I'm pretty soggy with rules, for instance. My kids don't have bedtimes, go ghost hunting with me (we have our own ghosthunting You Tube series, in fact), watch gory horror movies, curse at home (as long as it's in the appropriate context and no other word will suffice), and I frequently take them out of school to go on business trips with me. And yes, my son was there for the birth of my two youngest. But I've also accepted the fact that other mothers make decisions that I just can't wrap MY head around. For the first 5 years as a parent I let it drive me crazy, all the judgment: me judging them, them judging me. For the next 5 years, however, I worked on letting it go. Everyone has their own style of parenting and everyone does what works for them. What works for and makes sense to my family might not for yours. And that's totally okay. People might think I'm weird, but I sometimes think THEY'RE weird. And that's okay, too. In the end, we're all just trying to do our best. 

I agree, (and I am fairly new here so I don't know everyone's backstory, who has kids who Doesnt etc) 

like I said my friend gets a videographer! Im not saying there is anything wrong with making that a concious choice to have your kids there, I'm saying to me it seemed like nova was too young, not properly informed, and under the guidance of the coven it did not seem like a good decision because they OVER expose her to everything without ever asking her wishes. We are taking about a little girl who was so terrified walking in a pre k graduation she cried and had a meltdown the whole time. So imo I think it was not a great idea to have her there. 

I hate the mommy wars, I never bash others parenting unless I think it's detrimental to a child's well being and every circumstance is different. There are things I have read on here where people are bashing one of these girls for something and I have been like "wow I didn't think that was so bad, I do that" but I just let it go bc that's their opinion and I know I am a good parent. Just For a minor example I still let my 2 1/2 year old have a bottle at bedtime after she brushes her teeth and there was a whole back and forth conversation on here bashing Jenelle for giving kaiser milk in his crib.. I take zero offense to it. It's just an opinion and that's ok. That's why we come here right? 

[KittyKat133]

So this may come out cruel but it's just fact, Leah is extremely uneducated. Not only that but even if she had more education she is not a smart woman and far from an intellectual. To be a motivational speaker who writes their own material you have to be smart, talented, captivating, coherent and be able to use proper pretext, subtext and most importantly have a grasp of grammar and the proper use English language! Leah has none of this. She's just not smart! I feel for her wanting to do better but she's gotta find a way to do that elsewhere like getting a  GOOD financial planner instead of a bootleg life coach and investing her money.

 

 

and that lipstick is hideous! She is so easily talked into anything! 

Edited September 27, 2017 by KittyKat133

[salvame]

On 9/25/2017 at 11:52 PM, Marley said:

No you disgusting loser you were a junkie.

I thought she was the one who signed custody over to Barb, then was too busy  shooting up or getting laid to get her act together enough to get Jace back. And Barb is terrible because she wants to protect Jace from Jenelle's disastrous life choices??  Girl has no idea 

[Calm81]

6 hours ago, KittyKat133 said:

I actually can't stand when parents let their little ones witness birth! I have a friend who has six kids and 4 of them home bathtub births. She actually had a professional photographer and videographer there documenting. I mean to each their own. And you are probably right that it's the least traumatizing thing they have put her through but st the same time she's not 9 or 10 or 12 SHES FIVE!!!! Maybe in a zen environment with limited view but nova watched her mother screaming in excruciating pain and witnessed the blood and gore aspect of it all! 

I don't know if you have kids, but my first I had third degree tearing. I myself was actually traumatized. I certainly would NEVER want my daughter to see that! I'm literally about to have my second any minute and I'm dreading this whole thing. I don't think the coven is zen, open minded and cultured enough to have had properly prepared nova on what was going on and she is def too little to understand. 

So while I don't disagree with you that certain families do it that way and it can be ok but they are properly prepared. This so was not the case here. 

I had third degree reading with all THREE of my pregnancies. People wouldn't understand why I couldn't still walk comfortably after one week. They had me going to SEVERAL billirubin appointments for my kids for jaundice after their births. No proper rest. The PAIN us moms go through. Men are lucky in this aspect.

Edited September 27, 2017 by Calm81

[ReadMeLattice]

19 hours ago, BitterApple said:

CaughtOnTape, I agree about Luis. He's all talk, no action. Briana did a voice over saying she was about to go on maternity leave, so I'm assuming she worked throughout the entire pregnancy. Luis has had nine months to get his shit together and still doesn't appear to have a steady job. He should've been saving money and preparing this entire time. I think the Coven being so awful to him makes him more of a sympathetic character than he deserves to be.

Yep! Briana is annoying as hell, but she, her sister, and her mom all work, and she worked while pregnant, which I respect. If he doesn't like her attitude he shouldn't have banged her raw at the club, then stupidly planned to be monogamous and live together, refused adoption, AND cheated, all while seemingly not really working. If Briana deserves what she got-- so does he, even more so possibly. I don't feel bad when Roxanne gets in his face even though it's irritating. I wish she would stop only because it clouds what he's really like and makes him appear to be a victim.

Edited September 27, 2017 by Lm2162

[MissMel]

 

Someone also asked (axed?) her where she worked.  Her response was 'timeshare'.

[Scarlett45]

35 minutes ago, MissMel said:

 

Someone also asked (axed?) her where she worked.  Her response was 'timeshare'.

Maybe a receptionist/admin/front desk person for a time share location? 

[DudeLeaveMeAlone]

1 hour ago, MissMel said:

 

Someone also asked (axed?) her where she worked.  Her response was 'timeshare'.

She's in Orlando, the timeshare capital of the US. Get those Disney vacationers sucked right in!

(My BIL has worked for 4 different timeshare companies down there, my husband started in sales down there. It's crazy)

[MissMel]

Yeah, I figured she was in sales.  For some reason I think she said she used to work 3-11pm before maternity leave.  Probably for Westgate.  That monstrous house of the Siegel's isn't going to build itself!

[Uncle JUICE]

9 hours ago, CaliforniaLove said:

You know that movie "50 First Dates"? Did Cole get into an accident on the 4th of July?

This is how you pack maximum comedy into a small space. Wow. Fucking black belt. Bravo. Liking this post isn't enough to do it justice.

[AirQuotes]

I think older siblings being present for birth is just fine for families who want to do that.  That's the kind of thing that a family would do who live an open, nurturing, natural, holistic lifestyle.  I'm very much an advocate for midwives and home births.  

BUT!  The coven isn't that type of family!    They scared the shit out of poor little Nova over her preschool graduation so bad that she cried the entire time.  If the coven can make something as cheerful and happy as preschool graduation sound horrible and scary then imagine childbirth. 

[Tatum]

On 9/26/2017 at 1:22 AM, mamadrama said:

I still don't feel like Leah is a lost cause. I wish someone would step in there and really help that girl. She didn't know how to make a speech. Most of us probably had at least a rudimentary class on speech giving in high school. My general ed requirement in college had me taking one, not to mention all the speeches and talks I had to give while getting my undergrad and MA. You learn from instruction but you mostly learn from experience. Who, in Leah's life, is standing in as a role model for her and giving her advice (other than the "life coach")? It's true, some people don't need such things. Some people grow up without those experiences and that education, without a single worthy person to look up to, and they're fine. But other people NEED that. I think Leah is one of them. I think she's someone who desires more, who wants something better, but doesn't know the first thing about what steps she needs to take to get there. She doesn't even have a specific goal in mind-she just knows she wants something better. 

As someone from the same neck of the woods (different state, same mountains), I see this all the time. It's sad. I've said for a long time that if they want to stop our heroin and meth epidemic then they need to start getting to the root of the problem. Leah reminds me of a lot of other people I know from around here. Even with her money and connections, she still comes across to me as someone standing inside a snow globe, able to see the outside world but unable to be a part of it. 

At least she's not Jenelle. Or Kail. 

I think Leah IS a lost cause. You're right, no one in her life has given her any hard truths or tough love, and the enabling and validation of her poor life choices for their own gain is sad.

 

But, say Leah had someone in her life, a family member, a therapist, a clergy, a life coach that actually cared if she succeeded, that sat her down and said, you've made a series of poor choices and you need to take personal responsibility for them. You have let your anger and hurt at Corey and Jeremy affect how you co-parent with them, you have made wholly inappropriate comments to the media about them, and you have thrown out wild accusations to cover up your own negligence. You are currently guilty of neglect and you need to accept that a world renowned specialist may just know more about what your daughter needs than you do. And if you want to go to school, you need to take one class a semester, and budget out 20+ hours a week for class time, home work, studying, and probably tutoring. You need to get your childcare squared away ahead of time, and you need to pick some place local so you don't have to worry about traffic or driving conditions. You need to be realistic with what you take on, and not try to take shortcuts with these pyramid schemes. You are missing a basic foundation for learning and have underdeveloped study skills, which you will basically need to relearn. It will be an intense, and slow process.

 

You know what Leah would say in that case? Some derivative of piss off, I'm sure. She could get all the good advice from people who are smarter and more experienced and actually DO have her best interests at heart, and if they aren't going to say what she wants to hear, she's not going to listen.

[Tatum]

6 hours ago, salvame said:

I thought she was the one who signed custody over to Barb, then was too busy  shooting up or getting laid to get her act together enough to get Jace back. And Barb is terrible because she wants to protect Jace from Jenelle's disastrous life choices??  Girl has no idea 

Barb begged Jenelle to get an abortion or place Jace for adoption. Jenelle basically gave her the finger. Jenelle did briefly stay home with Jace when he was too young for daycare, but she would go out every night because she was still "just a kid". So Barb would have to get up with him every night because newborns wake up frequently. If Barb dared to yell at Jenelle, Jenelle would snap that she would take Jace and leave and Barb would never see either of them again. Clearly a bluff, but had Barb called it, and Jenelle followed through with it and gotten Jace killed or seriously injured by leaving him on some random couch at a crackhouse while she hooked up with some guy- I am sure Barb couldn't face that possibility. Even after Jace was a few weeks old, Barb was still begging Jenelle to consider finding a good family for him. As much as Barb knew Jenelle was worthless, she didn't think she herself (Barb) was the right caretaker for Jace either. She wanted him to be with a functional family, not just the lesser of the evils. Finally, Barb had enough of Jenelle's threats and filed for custody. Jenelle very briefly attempted to fight it, but backed down almost immediately and voluntarily signed temporary custody rights to Barb.

 

Barb has ALWAYS been hopeful Jenelle would take Jace back and be a decent parent. She just laid a few very achievable requirements down (like Jenelle should get a job, be in school, not be on drugs, not get arrested for battery or DWIs, not have any boyfriends living with her that had violent criminal records like domestics and child abuse), and Jenelle would tell her to fuck off.

[mamadrama]

13 minutes ago, Tatum said:

I think Leah IS a lost cause. You're right, no one in her life has given her any hard truths or tough love, and the enabling and validation of her poor life choices for their own gain is sad.

 

But, say Leah had someone in her life, a family member, a therapist, a clergy, a life coach that actually cared if she succeeded, that sat her down and said, you've made a series of poor choices and you need to take personal responsibility for them. You have let your anger and hurt at Corey and Jeremy affect how you co-parent with them, you have made wholly inappropriate comments to the media about them, and you have thrown out wild accusations to cover up your own negligence. You are currently guilty of neglect and you need to accept that a world renowned specialist may just know more about what your daughter needs than you do. And if you want to go to school, you need to take one class a semester, and budget out 20+ hours a week for class time, home work, studying, and probably tutoring. You need to get your childcare squared away ahead of time, and you need to pick some place local so you don't have to worry about traffic or driving conditions. You need to be realistic with what you take on, and not try to take shortcuts with these pyramid schemes. You are missing a basic foundation for learning and have underdeveloped study skills, which you will basically need to relearn. It will be an intense, and slow process.

 

You know what Leah would say in that case? Some derivative of piss off, I'm sure. She could get all the good advice from people who are smarter and more experienced and actually DO have her best interests at heart, and if they aren't going to say what she wants to hear, she's not going to listen.

I guess I just feel more optimistic about Leah. I see potential in her unlike, oh, say Amber and Jenelle. 

[Tatum]

7 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

I guess I just feel more optimistic about Leah. I see potential in her unlike, oh, say Amber and Jenelle. 

It will have to go untested anyways, as well all know there is no one in Leah's life that is going to break it down for her like this. Leah will continue to attempt to better herself in impractical and unattainable ways, will fail, and repeat the cycle over and over.

[AirQuotes]

11 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

I guess I just feel more optimistic about Leah. I see potential in her unlike, oh, say Amber and Jenelle. 

 

2 minutes ago, Tatum said:

It will have to go untested anyways, as well all know there is no one in Leah's life that is going to break it down for her like this. Leah will continue to attempt to better herself in impractical and unattainable ways, will fail, and repeat the cycle over and over.

I agree with both of you.  At least Leah isn't mean and hateful like Amber and Jen-yell so that is a plus in her favor.  Like Tatum said Leah over-reaches with her goals so she gets no where (potentially after each failed endeavor she is worse off).

[Tatum]

8 minutes ago, AirQuotes said:

 

I agree with both of you.  At least Leah isn't mean and hateful like Amber and Jen-yell so that is a plus in her favor...

She's not right now...but I can't forget this is the bitch who went running to US Weekly a few years back to bitch that Corey only wanted more custody to fuck with Leah and had nothing to do with his interest in his children. That was an extremely shitty thing to do. A&A don't need the world to know their mother thinks their father only sees them as a way to get back at Leah. And it wasn't true anyways.

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, Tatum said:

She's not right now...but I can't forget this is the bitch who went running to US Weekly a few years back to bitch that Corey only wanted more custody to fuck with Leah and had nothing to do with his interest in his children. That was an extremely shitty thing to do. A&A don't need the world to know their mother thinks their father only sees them as a way to get back at Leah. And it wasn't true anyways.

She has also gone on her rants to make Miranda look like a bad mother and person for daring to make Ali carry her backpack when Leah herself makes her daughter play in sports, she doesn't make her wear her helmet or use her motorized wheelchair. Leah can be a rotten bitch to the core. 

[Kellyee]

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Barb deserves her due credit for dealing with Jenelle and raising Jace, she's done a good job.  

I can't really say Barb has done a good job. A good job would have included not regularly screaming in front of Jace, and completely kicking Jenelle out if she couldn't stop screaming of Jace either. Just from the little bits we hear on the show, I have a bad feeling that Jace has serious aggression issues and is disturbed. They used the term sociopath in one episode, if I recall. More than any other kid on this show except Kaiser, I think Jace is headed for drug addiction and/or jail some day. The other mothers have screwed up too, but none of their kids seem to have quite the level of issues that Jace has. Its really pretty sad.

I wanted to vomit when Barb asked Jace why he wasn't happier about the custody agreement. The poor kid is so confused and messed up.

[ReadMeLattice]

3 hours ago, Uncle JUICE said:

This is how you pack maximum comedy into a small space. Wow. Fucking black belt. Bravo. Liking this post isn't enough to do it justice.

I know, right? @CaliforniaLove that was seriously amazing. 

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, Kellyee said:

I can't really say Barb has done a good job. A good job would have included not regularly screaming in front of Jace, and completely kicking Jenelle out if she couldn't stop screaming of Jace either. Just from the little bits we hear on the show, I have a bad feeling that Jace has serious aggression issues and is disturbed. They used the term sociopath in one episode, if I recall. More than any other kid on this show except Kaiser, I think Jace is headed for drug addiction and/or jail some day. The other mothers have screwed up too, but none of their kids seem to have quite the level of issues that Jace has. Its really pretty sad.

I wanted to vomit when Barb asked Jace why he wasn't happier about the custody agreement. The poor kid is so confused and messed up.

One can do a damn good job of being a parent and still be human. Being human means one is not perfect. I only watch Jenelle on my television and I want to brutally kick her ass. Barb has had to deal with so much venom thrown at her from the person she gave birth to. It is not easy dealing with a lunatic. I'd be hard press to find someone who doesn't lose it now and again when dealing with such a person. Barb is not a medical professional who is dealing with Jenelle on a professional level. Not many people know how to deal with an addict or alcoholic, how can one be expected to deal with a sociopath like Jenelle? Jenelle refuses to seek help for her issues. 

I can recall many times when Barb never raised her voice or didn't yell back at her daughter when Jenelle was at her worst.  That seems to be overlooked. Another thing that gets overlooked are the other players in the situation such as Nathan who did a pretty damn good job of sticking it to Barb now and then. Then, there is David who is constantly on Barb's ass. He instigates arguments and throws gas on the fire. If my ass worked all damn day at Walmart (and I am younger than Barb), and I was caring for at least two grandchildren full-time, the last thing I would be in the mood for is hearing shit from people who sit on their ass all fucking day and then dare to criticize me and accuse me of keeping a child away from them. It would be a miracle if I didn't say shit back to you. I'd probably be at the level where I'd be looking for the Vaseline and taking off my earrings. 

Barb does lose it now and again like the popcorn contest she tried in vain to communicate to her daughter who refused to do it out of spite. David didn't help that matter.  In the end, Jace is the one who is getting hurt for her refusal. But Jenelle can put other people's kid's contest info on her social media so they can win. 

Sorry @CaliforniaLove, I am clueless as to what you are referencing there with that movie. I am an old fogie. 

Edited September 27, 2017 by GreatKazu

[Jax7917]

I think Barb has her own issues, but Jenelle makes her look like a saint. I do see Jace going down the path of drugs etc, but I also think he's pretty well-behaved for someone who has gone through what he goes through. Of course that'll change as he gets older but for now the best thing he can do is stay at Barb's. 

I do think at this point Barb is attached to him so I do believe she has more of a motive to fighting to keep him than the reasons she gives. But the kid is also what, 8 years old? It would be terrible to rip him out of his home, especially if it means putting him with 2 evil people. Seriously, Dave is just freakin creepy and gross.

 

Leah- a motivational speaker you're not. In fact, she needs classes on basic grammar. Overcomed? Really?

 

Chelsea is getting paid way too much money to have a normal life. I understand people like her and think it's refreshing to see normalcy for once on the show, but I don't watch this show to be bored. I watch for trashy tv time.

Edited September 27, 2017 by Jaclyn88

[TimeToCancelTM]

12 hours ago, ktwo said:

OK, so Jenelle went to St. Thomas and Chelsea went to the Gulf Coast. Both were devastated by hurricanes in the interim.

Am I completely off base for expecting MTV to say SOMETHING about supporting hurricane relief to those areas? I was really thinking they'd have a bumper between the St. Thomas scenes and the commercial, but - nothing.

Right?? And yet the continue to plug the "for everyrhing u need to know about PREVENTING preganacy go to..." even tho every single one of these hoes has had multiple unplanned pregnancies/kids/different baby daddys. 

[GreatKazu]

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I think Barb has her own issues, but Jenelle makes her look like a saint. I do see Jace going down the path of drugs etc, but I also think he's pretty well-behaved for someone who has gone through what he goes through. Of course that'll change as he gets older but for now the best thing he can do is stay at Barb's. 

@Jaclyn88 I have hope for that little guy because not all children grow up to be dysfunctional human beings when they are raised in toxic and dysfunctional homes. I am referring to Jenelle's home, not Barb's. I personally know two kids who  did exceptional in school and are very gifted in more ways than one. One graduated from high school at a young age and entered college before his 16th birthday. Both of these kids had drug addicts for mothers. They were hauled from place to place. It was assumed these kids would certainly end up gang members or junkies. 

Barb has Jace on the right path by putting him in therapy, she has him on his much-needed medication, and she gives him a supportive, loving, stable home. 

2 minutes ago, JuliesMommy said:

Right?? And yet the continue to plug the "for everyrhing u need to know about PREVENTING preganacy go to..." even tho every single one of these hoes has had multiple unplanned pregnancies/kids/different baby daddys. 

Oh, those pregnancies were planned. Trap babies. 

Edited September 27, 2017 by GreatKazu

[HeySandyStrange]

4 minutes ago, Jaclyn88 said:

I think Barb has her own issues, but Jenelle makes her look like a saint. I do see Jace going down the path of drugs etc, but I also think he's pretty well-behaved for someone who has gone through what he goes through. Of course that'll change as he gets older but for now the best thing he can do is stay at Barb's. 

It seems pretty early to say how any of these kids are going to turn out imo. Yeah, we can make a fairly educated guess and say "Oh, Jace is definitely going to be a druggie felon and Aubree is going to be just fine," when the exact opposite might come true. I know ,overwhelmingly, kids with Jace's background and rearing tend to follow down the same dysfunctional path, but there is a possibility he and any of his siblings could turn out okay. If anything, Jace , Kaiser and Ensely might end up a lot tougher and more resilient then a sensitive kid like Isaac, who I see being jerked around emotionally by Kail in the future.

[Booger666]

Janelle - Bitch is parroting to Barb everything David says about his ex and his kids.  Problem is Janelle is too fucking stupid to realize it is a completely different situation.  She is the stupidest asshole on TV, and that's saying something.

 

Chelsea - I can't fault her for telling Aubree the trip was planned for her and she should behave.  It was clear they got the celebrity treatment at the park and Aubree, or any kid that lucky, should behave appropriately and be thankful.

 

Kail - When she was talking about getting a pic of her with the Isaac at graduation bc she has a pic of them at her HS graduation 7 years ago all I could think of was this scene in Tommy Boy:

Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated.
Richard: Yah, and just a shade under a decade too. 
Tommy: You know there are a lot of people who go to college for seven years.
Richard: I know. They're called doctors.

 

She's kind of looks like a female Chris Farley, too.  But uglier.

[GreatKazu]

27 minutes ago, Booger666 said:

Janelle - Bitch is parroting to Barb everything David says about his ex and his kids.  Problem is Janelle is too fucking stupid to realize it is a completely different situation.  She is the stupidest asshole on TV, and that's saying something.

 

Chelsea - I can't fault her for telling Aubree the trip was planned for her and she should behave.  It was clear they got the celebrity treatment at the park and Aubree, or any kid that lucky, should behave appropriately and be thankful.

 

Kail - When she was talking about getting a pic of her with the Isaac at graduation bc she has a pic of them at her HS graduation 7 years ago all I could think of was this scene in Tommy Boy:

Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated.
Richard: Yah, and just a shade under a decade too. 
Tommy: You know there are a lot of people who go to college for seven years.
Richard: I know. They're called doctors.

 

She's kind of looks like a female Chris Farley, too.  But uglier.

lmao Awesome!

[ReadMeLattice]

I can get how Barb hasn't completely come down hard on Jenelle because of a mother's love and all that. That IS her kid at the end of the day, plus they have a history. But Nathan and David, and whatever other boyfriends (Courtland probably was a dick to her as well)? I can't imagine being Barb, raising Jace and working all day at WalMart and then visiting my daughter only to be bitched out by one of her array of unemployed boyfriends trying to impregnate her, and have some drugged out idiot screaming in my face, filming me, or whatever, and NOT hitting him. Unless I was scared physically. I...really can't.

Edited September 27, 2017 by Lm2162

[MaggieG]

Jenelle is still a heinous bitch and Kail's kids are still adorable. That's all I got from this episode.

Also, I love how excited Aubree was to meet Winter the dolphin. 

[ReadMeLattice]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

 

Sorry @CaliforniaLove, I am clueless as to what you are referencing there with that movie. I am an old fogie. 

The main character has an accident that gives her amnesia and causes her to repeat the same day over and over again. Those around her still pretend it's that one day so that she doesn't start to get confused and upset.

[cheewhiz]

This show is getting more unwatchable every week. Since Brianna has been on I have been fast forwarding through all the scenes involving "the coven" and now with Leah and her "motivational speaking", I have about 20 minutes of show I actually watch. I would hope that MTV sees just how useless Brianna's storyline is and drop her for the next season. As for Leah, I know that nothing lasts very long with her so I think we will see the speaking engagements end as quickly and abruptly as they started. Chelsea, love her and her little family. Janelle can disappear any time, but keep the Kaiser sightings going, what a sweet little roll he is. I feel for poor Jace.  I think the he's very aware of the cameras and what they reveal so he is being very cautious when speaking to Barbara about Janelle, lots of "yups". I am happy for Barbara and Jace and hope he continues to thrive in her care.

[GreatKazu]

4 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

The main character has an accident that gives her amnesia and causes her to repeat the same day over and over again. Those around her still pretend it's that one day so that she doesn't start to get confused and upset.

Thanks. 

I Googled the movie and now I know why I didn't know it. It stars Adam Sandler. I can't stand him. 

[AirQuotes]

If we have to see Leah's "motivational speeches" I would rather they be on the poop tea she was peddling rather than the terrible and over-priced lipstick.  The "you have the power within you" makes more sense in that context. lol

Edited September 27, 2017 by AirQuotes

[vmcd88]

Kailyn is one of those people who is a professional student.  She will never get a job.

[CaughtOnTape]

21 hours ago, jumper sage said:

OK, this is where the little phrase, co-parenting, should kick in.  The trouble with Brianna is that she wants a relationship with Luis and will make him conform to a relationship or he will get vilified and damned by the coven.  If she truly cared about Stella she would see how they could co-exist as parents and forget the mom/dad relationship portion.  Like most of the other girls on this show she will make his life a living hell because he won't be in a relationship and Stella will take the fall.

Are we watching the same show?  Out of the two of them, he's the one who keeps asking for the relationship, not her.  In fact he flat out said he wanted to be with her and have a family and she hesitated.  She's also the one who initially made the break with him so they WOULD NOT be in a relationship.  I think this is placing blame in the wrong place.  As well as blame for the wrong thing.  Briana doesn't seem to me like she wants to be with Luis.  It just seems to me like she's asking him to step up and be accountable for half of the responsibility here.  As someone else pointed out, it's been 9 months and he's still not got a job under control?  It's not 2008 anymore, I walk around my city and there are NOW HIRING signs everywhere.  He doesn't need to be an executive, walk into some fast food joint.  And then when he's not there, pound the pavement for a better job and get your ass in school.  

Trucking school?  Really?  WTF?  That's what he's chosen after months of "looking".  Where is he looking?  Reminds me of Eddie in Christmas vacation "Ellen says he's holding out for a management position".   This genius decides that the best thing to do with a new baby on the way is to get a job that takes him away for 50% of the time?  *thumbs up*  Smart thinkin' there Einstein.  Briana, understandably, was gobsmacked at this.  He keeps telling her he wants to be around for the kid, but he goes for this as the job he's been looking so hard for?  Makes total sense.  Idiot.

Luis seems super entitled and lazy.  Briana has every right in the world to be on his ass.  Her mother and sister can STFU but if I was having a kid with Luis, I'd be up his ass about not having done anything too.  We can all keep pointing the finger at her for not having known him before she slept with him - which I believe she's probably beat herself up for but we haven't seen it.  But at the end of the day it doesn't matter one way or the other now.  She's had Stella.  

Edited September 27, 2017 by CaughtOnTape

[ReadMeLattice]

24 minutes ago, CaughtOnTape said:

Are we watching the same show?  Out of the two of them, he's the one who keeps asking for the relationship, not her.

Yeah, she never seemed to me to want a relationship as much as he did. 

[ghoulina]

15 hours ago, Soobs said:

Leah should go back to the tanning salon. She seemed somewhat more qualified for that.

You mean when she was falling asleep trying to tie her shoe? LOL!

 

15 hours ago, KittyKat133 said:

I actually can't stand when parents let their little ones witness birth! I have a friend who has six kids and 4 of them home bathtub births. She actually had a professional photographer and videographer there documenting. I mean to each their own. And you are probably right that it's the least traumatizing thing they have put her through but st the same time she's not 9 or 10 or 12 SHES FIVE!!!! Maybe in a zen environment with limited view but nova watched her mother screaming in excruciating pain and witnessed the blood and gore aspect of it all! 

I don't know if you have kids, but my first I had third degree tearing. I myself was actually traumatized. I certainly would NEVER want my daughter to see that! I'm literally about to have my second any minute and I'm dreading this whole thing. I don't think the coven is zen, open minded and cultured enough to have had properly prepared nova on what was going on and she is def too little to understand. 

So while I don't disagree with you that certain families do it that way and it can be ok but they are properly prepared. This so was not the case here. 

I have 3 children. If I could have had home births, I would. But my state doesn't allow midwives to attend homebirths, and we felt uncomfortable going unassisted. If we had been able to have home births, my children would have been present for their sibling's births. I have many friends who have done this and the kids always remark on it as a very special experience when they're older. No one has been "traumatized". I actually think it's healthy to expose children to what birth can really be like, because I HAD no idea. And no, they don't need to witness the baby actually coming out, but seeing the pain and the labor? I don't think it's a big deal unless you know that your child wouldn't handle that well. 

As for Nova, she seemed fine. She was off to the side on the bench. There were so many people surrounding Brianna, that I doubt she really saw anything. Some of the shit they said? Yea, crazy. But no more so than during their daily bitch sessions while sitting around the apartment eating fast food. 

[ghoulina]

7 hours ago, MissMel said:

Someone also asked (axed?) her where she worked.  Her response was 'timeshare'.

Wasn't Nathan a timeshare salesman when he first came on this show?

 

5 hours ago, Tatum said:

Barb has ALWAYS been hopeful Jenelle would take Jace back and be a decent parent. She just laid a few very achievable requirements down (like Jenelle should get a job, be in school, not be on drugs, not get arrested for battery or DWIs, not have any boyfriends living with her that had violent criminal records like domestics and child abuse), and Jenelle would tell her to fuck off.

Right. Although, I think maybe that time has past. The last few years, I don't get the sense that Barb really wants Jenelle to get Jace back. Even if she had ALL her shit together - it's just too late at this point. Jace is what? Eight? Who drags an 8-year-old away from the only mother he's known his entire life? 

[HeySandyStrange]

35 minutes ago, CaughtOnTape said:

Trucking school?  Really?  WTF?  That's what he's chosen after months of "looking".  Where is he looking?  Reminds me of Eddie in Christmas vacation "Ellen says he's holding out for a management position".   This genius decides that the best thing to do with a new baby on the way is to get a job that takes him away for 50% of the time?  *thumbs up*  Smart thinkin' there Einstein.  Briana, understandably, was gobsmacked at this.  He keeps telling her he wants to be around for the kid, but he goes for this as the job he's been looking so hard for?  Makes total sense.  Idiot.

Trucking does pay a lot better then fast food, though. Good money for someone like Luis, he seems almost dumb for fast food tbh. The best Briana can hope for with Luis, if she doesn't want to play house with him, is to collect some of his trucking wages for child support, assuming he actually stuck with it.

[Tatum]

1 minute ago, ghoulina said:

Wasn't Nathan a timeshare salesman when he first came on this show?

 

Right. Although, I think maybe that time has past. The last few years, I don't get the sense that Barb really wants Jenelle to get Jace back. Even if she had ALL her shit together - it's just too late at this point. Jace is what? Eight? Who drags an 8-year-old away from the only mother he's known his entire life? 

Yes, this was pre-Dave, so it was a few years back. I don't think Barb would be opposed to offering Jenelle more custody though, if Jenelle cleaned up her act- I just think she's given up on it happening. I mean, for Jenelle to go through all the steps Barb wanted- a proven track record of sobriety, getting a job, untangling herself from Dave- that's at least a year right there, maybe closer to two years, which would put Jace at 10. And that's if she starts now and stays consistent. Which she won't.

2 minutes ago, HeySandyStrange said:

Trucking does pay a lot better then fast food, though. Good money for someone like Luis, he seems almost dumb for fast food tbh. The best Briana can hope for with Luis, if she doesn't want to play house with him, is to collect some of his trucking wages for child support, assuming he actually stuck with it.

It really does. My husband's friend has done it for years and makes between $60K and $70K. Granted, that may not be a lot of money for the teen moms now, but before MTV that probably seemed like untold riches to most of these girls, except for maybe Chelsea, Maci, and Farrah.

[gunderda]

2 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

@Jaclyn88 I have hope for that little guy because not all children grow up to be dysfunctional human beings when they are raised in toxic and dysfunctional homes. I am referring to Jenelle's home, not Barb's. I personally know two kids who  did exceptional in school and are very gifted in more ways than one. One graduated from high school at a young age and entered college before his 16th birthday. Both of these kids had drug addicts for mothers. They were hauled from place to place. It was assumed these kids would certainly end up gang members or junkies. 

Barb has Jace on the right path by putting him in therapy, she has him on his much-needed medication, and she gives him a supportive, loving, stable home. 

Oh, those pregnancies were planned. Trap babies. 

I also used to work with some kids who grandpa owned the company and their respective families (they were cousins) were a hot mess - drugs, jail, all that fun stuff (grandpa and other relatives were on the up and up to keep the business successful though) and amazingly they both turned out really great even though they were little shit heads in high school. So there is hope for Jace! Hopefully seeing his Meme(?) working hard is a good enough role model for him. 

[TimeToCancelTM]

32 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

You mean when she was falling asleep trying to tie her shoe? LOL!

 

I have 3 children. If I could have had home births, I would. But my state doesn't allow midwives to attend homebirths, and we felt uncomfortable going unassisted. If we had been able to have home births, my children would have been present for their sibling's births. I have many friends who have done this and the kids always remark on it as a very special experience when they're older. No one has been "traumatized". I actually think it's healthy to expose children to what birth can really be like, because I HAD no idea. And no, they don't need to witness the baby actually coming out, but seeing the pain and the labor? I don't think it's a big deal unless you know that your child wouldn't handle that well. 

As for Nova, she seemed fine. She was off to the side on the bench. There were so many people surrounding Brianna, that I doubt she really saw anything. Some of the shit they said? Yea, crazy. But no more so than during their daily bitch sessions while sitting around the apartment eating fast food. 

You mean when she was falling asleep trying to tie her shoe? LOL!

LMFAO!!! I forgot about that...lol

[Mr. Miner]

I often wonder how MTV, out of the two TM franchises managed to cast 50% of their shows with outright vile teen moms? Did being a teen mom or all the money make them this way? WTF? (Jenelle, Karl, Amber and Farrah)

[CaughtOnTape]

36 minutes ago, HeySandyStrange said:

Trucking does pay a lot better then fast food, though. Good money for someone like Luis, he seems almost dumb for fast food tbh. The best Briana can hope for with Luis, if she doesn't want to play house with him, is to collect some of his trucking wages for child support, assuming he actually stuck with it.

I mean that's all well and good, but Luis was already dealing with a Briana who was nervous about his commitment to her kid and wanted to put it up for adoption.  They'd already gone rounds about where he'd chosen to live and that was a mere 30 minutes away.  Was getting into trucking the best idea?  When she's getting on him about this stuff, this is what she's talking about.  He doesn't think.  He doesn't care about her fears or concerns, he's not listening to her at all.  He heard "get a job" so he went "hehe ok..." and went skipping off to get a job where he's gone half the time?  Good job.  Really.  Great job comprehending what it was she was saying.

And then people wonder why she speaks to him the way she does.  Because Luis is as dumb as a box of rocks and can't do anything without specific direction.  Christ he couldn't even figure out how to handle the car seat without her.  He needs clear and specific direction "Go downstairs, turn right when you get to the parking lot, unlock the car doors, pull the door open, put the car seat in first, attach it to the back seat (not the front seat now), make sure it's facing the correct way, attach it with the seat belt, make sure you pull the seat belt tight and click it into place, exit the vehicle (make sure you go out backwards and don't try to climb OVER the carseat or you'll probably get stuck), close the door, lock the car again, return to the stairs of the apartment building, go up them, open the door to my apartment, place my car keys back in my hand."