Roseanne Revival

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, Zoe said:

I don't think you'll find many people with that assessment.

Roseanne finally took a sizable hit Tuesday, losing the night's audience crown to NCIS after a week's hiatus from the air.

The ABC comedy landed with 10.3 million viewers and a 2.5 rating among adults 18-49, with respective spills of 23 and 26 percent. It's the first big drop for Roseanne since it returned to the air with the biggest scripted telecast of the season.

Source: The Hollywood Reporter

[break21]

6 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Roseanne finally took a sizable hit Tuesday, losing the night's audience crown to NCIS after a week's hiatus from the air.

The ABC comedy landed with 10.3 million viewers and a 2.5 rating among adults 18-49, with respective spills of 23 and 26 percent. It's the first big drop for Roseanne since it returned to the air with the biggest scripted telecast of the season.

Source: The Hollywood Reporter

IMO, running a night of re-runs last week hurt them and killed momentum of a hot show.  I would have ran all the original episodes in a row.   It'll be interesting to see when it stops falling and levels out. 

[Zoe]

48 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Roseanne finally took a sizable hit Tuesday, losing the night's audience crown to NCIS after a week's hiatus from the air.

The ABC comedy landed with 10.3 million viewers and a 2.5 rating among adults 18-49, with respective spills of 23 and 26 percent. It's the first big drop for Roseanne since it returned to the air with the biggest scripted telecast of the season.

Source: The Hollywood Reporter

A one time hit isn't a freefall though, especially when the only thing that beat it was a huge NCIS episode.

[Calm81]

I personally feel that the ratings went down due to the repeat episodes from last week. My sister said she tuned in last week and discovered they weren’t airing a new episode and ASSUMED that there were no new episodes until the next season so she skipped this week (she doesn’t go on these forums to know any better lol).

My guess is that the random interruption of new episodes with repeats hurt the ratings but everything will be fine next week.

ETA: Many people tune into premiere live but then eventually go back to streaming them online.

I watched the premier of the Roseanne reboot live but I’ve been consistently watching the rest of the episodes on amazon as I purchased the entire season and have to wait until the next day to watch. A LOT of people watch shows this way.

Edited May 3, 2018 by Calm81

[break21]

23 hours ago, Concerned said:

A lot of people must feel the same way. Rosanne’s ratings are in free fall.

I don't think the ratings are in a free-fall, but I think they are concerned.  Rosanne's been making the talk-show rounds and promoting the show on twitter a lot more than usual.    They were never going to keep up the premiere's ratings but the constant dropping from week to week must have them worried about when it will stop.

[AM1418]

22 hours ago, break21 said:

IMO, running a night of re-runs last week hurt them and killed momentum of a hot show.  I would have ran all the original episodes in a row.   It'll be interesting to see when it stops falling and levels out. 

This.

2 hours ago, Calm81 said:

I personally feel that the ratings went down due to the repeat episodes from last week. My sister said she tuned in last week and discovered they weren’t airing a new episode and ASSUMED that there were no new episodes until the next season so she skipped this week (she doesn’t go on these forums to know any better lol).

My guess is that the random interruption of new episodes with repeats hurt the ratings but everything will be fine next week.

ETA: Many people tune into premiere live but then eventually go back to streaming them online.

I watched the premier of the Roseanne reboot live but I’ve been consistently watching the rest of the episodes on amazon as I purchased the entire season and have to wait until the next day to watch. A LOT of people watch shows this way.

And this. I think they shot themselves in the foot by burning a week to show re-runs. 

I don't believe this is in a free fall yet, though. It was pitted against a NCIS episode that starts a story line of a main character leaving. That was obviously going to draw the larger crowd. 

[chitowngirl]

23 hours ago, Zoe said:

A one time hit isn't a freefall though, especially when the only thing that beat it was a huge NCIS episode.

 

2 hours ago, AM1418 said:

This.

And this. I think they shot themselves in the foot by burning a week to show re-runs. 

I don't believe this is in a free fall yet, though. It was pitted against a NCIS episode that starts a story line of a main character leaving. That was obviously going to draw the larger crowd. 

Next week is Abby’s last on NCIS, so I would expect Roseanne’s rating to dip next week also.

[tomvilchez1999]

21 hours ago, break21 said:

I don't think the ratings are in a free-fall, but I think they are concerned.  Rosanne's been making the talk-show rounds and promoting the show on twitter a lot more than usual.    They were never going to keep up the premiere's ratings but the constant dropping from week to week must have them worried about when it will stop.

Episodes 4 and 5 had the same rating and numbers. That's not a constant drop.

[break21]

36 minutes ago, tomvilchez1999 said:

Episodes 4 and 5 had the same rating and numbers. That's not a constant drop.

Agree = I think the things people are upset about are lack of continuity with the original episodes and the acting.   I re-watched a few episodes last night - the acting, all around (except Estelle Parsons) is pretty bad.  They do deliver laughs, but it seems like they are throwing out one-liners or reading off cards.  

[TheGreenKnight]

So the revival's dropped 8 million viewers in a month. Can't say I'm sorry about that.

[Lili]

On 5/2/2018 at 3:37 PM, break21 said:

IMO, running a night of re-runs last week hurt them and killed momentum of a hot show.  I would have ran all the original episodes in a row.   It'll be interesting to see when it stops falling and levels out. 

What they should have done is still air the marathon, but end with a new episode.

[Zoe]

Ratings were up/even with last week.  Last week's numbers got adjusted up slightly.

[Tenarife60]

This was mentioned elsewhere and I wondered this too, but how could Roseanne afford a car that ran well enough to be an Uber driver when they are so poor they can't even pay their bills?  I have a cousin who uses this reason to not work at all because he has a car 20 years old and can't afford a new, reliable one to get him back and forth to a job.  

[tessaray]

9 minutes ago, Tenarife60 said:

This was mentioned elsewhere and I wondered this too, but how could Roseanne afford a car that ran well enough to be an Uber driver when they are so poor they can't even pay their bills?  I have a cousin who uses this reason to not work at all because he has a car 20 years old and can't afford a new, reliable one to get him back and forth to a job.  

According to my daughter who used to live in NYC, a lot of people rent cars to drive.  I suppose on a busy weekend you could come out ahead. Or maybe they put paying the car payment ahead of the internet bill, juggling month to month which bills to pay? 

[Pallas]

UBER cars must be four-door sedans, in good cosmetic condition, able to pass an UBER  inspection, and with a maximum age ranging from anywhere from 11 to 17 years. One website says that UBER-X (basic) cars in Elgin, IL can be model years 2002 and up. It's possible that Dan has maintained a sedan they bought and paid off before the crash of 2008. 

[BitterApple]

So I read the episode description for next week and Crystal retires from cocktail waitressing?!! I am dying to know how she went from grumpy, ever-complaining housewife to slinging drinks in a skimpy outfit and heels. Did Ed pass away? Did they divorce? Did he not earn enough as a salesman to support the family, forcing Crystal to go back to work? I swear if they handwave the backstory on this, my head's gonna explode.

[love2lovebadtv]

On 7/16/2017 at 7:57 PM, Bastet said:

When Becky is 14, Roseanne is 36 (and a half, heh -- per the exchange between Becky and Roseanne in the episode where Becky and Dana get drunk), so that would put her around 22 when Becky was born.  And I'm actually impressed they waited that long, since they got married pretty much right out of high school.  But some other references to how long they'd been married, might contradict that if we compared it to Becky's age at the time, and indicate them as being younger when she was born; that's just the reference to Roseanne's age and Becky's in the same breath that springs to mind.  Even if 22, though, that's still young, and, indeed, having kids young is one of the many reasons the economic cycle continues. 

Interesting that Darlene was even younger when she gave birth, and Becky about the same age (assuming the pregnancy referred to in the finale did, indeed, result in a child).  I was friends in high school with a girl whose mom had been 17 when she had her, and her grandma had been 15 when she had her mom.  Following the pattern perfectly, she had a kid when she was 19. 

1

22 is considered pretty young nowadays to have a child but it wouldn't have been considered quite so young (maybe young-ish) when Becky was born. And I wouldn't compare it to having a kid as a teenager. At 22, you're old enough to be out of both high school and college and, as is the case with many first-generation college graduates, making more money than your parents. Jackie, on the other hand, didn't have kids at a young age and needed to rely on Medicaid. 

[IDFfm0870]

Promo for next week's episode Netflix and Pill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX5ua1g7rEI

[Tenarife60]

17 minutes ago, IDFfm0870 said:

Promo for next week's episode Netflix and Pill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX5ua1g7rEI

From the preview it looks like Darlene is the one who got the job as a cocktail waitress at the casino, or Crystals old job.  I thought I read somewhere that Becky and Darlene had both applied for Crystals old position.

[BitterApple]

I could see Darlene getting the job over Becky. She's cleaner and more presentable whereas Becky is a very "rode hard and put away wet" version of 43. If it plays out like that, I wonder how Becky will deal with yet another thing in her life not going her way.

[moonb]

3 hours ago, love2lovebadtv said:

22 is considered pretty young nowadays to have a child but it wouldn't have been considered quite so young (maybe young-ish) when Becky was born. And I wouldn't compare it to having a kid as a teenager. At 22, you're old enough to be out of both high school and college and, as is the case with many first-generation college graduates, making more money than your parents. Jackie, on the other hand, didn't have kids at a young age and needed to rely on Medicaid.

I'm about Becky's age and grew up in the rust belt, and in my anecdotal experience only, early to mid 20s was a pretty typical age to be having children in the 1970s. In fact in our neighborhood my parents were definitely the "old" parents for having me in their mid 30s, whereas my friends' parents had them at 20, 23, 25, etc....and with a high school diploma and maybe a year of college or associates degree for the most part. I'm not sure there would have been systemic signs of economic uncertainty for at least another 10- 15 years.

[Lili]

On 5/10/2018 at 11:30 AM, IDFfm0870 said:

Promo for next week's episode Netflix and Pill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX5ua1g7rEI

I bet Harris is the culprit. Who agrees?

[chitowngirl]

4 hours ago, Lili said:

I bet Harris is the culprit. Who agrees?

I think that’s too obvious a choice. I could see Becky or Darlene. With Becky they’ve touched on her drinking and downward spiral since Mark’s death. Darlene could have been taking a pill here and there and it adds up. DJ has also been having trouble and he hasn’t really had a showcase scene yet. Not Mark or Mary.

[StaceyNotStacie]

I’m thinking Roseanne is hiding the pills in order to get more and complains about the missing pills to make it look like someone else took them. 

[Mmmfloorpie]

On 13/05/2018 at 11:45 AM, Stacey1014 said:

I’m thinking Roseanne is hiding the pills in order to get more and complains about the missing pills to make it look like someone else took them. 

Like DJ and the bag of chips.

[Chaos Theory]

On 5/9/2018 at 11:56 AM, Tenarife60 said:

This was mentioned elsewhere and I wondered this too, but how could Roseanne afford a car that ran well enough to be an Uber driver when they are so poor they can't even pay their bills?  I have a cousin who uses this reason to not work at all because he has a car 20 years old and can't afford a new, reliable one to get him back and forth to a job.  

I can fanwank this because Dan is a mechanic.  I can see him being able to get parts for a car and fix it cheap.    Plus the one thing Dan and Roseanne AREN'T is lazy.  They might be bad with money but they both know how to hustle it.  

[UYI]

I have a DirecTV account online, but when I tried to find last night's episode there to watch, it wasn't (and still isn't) there. And yet it already has something listed for next week's episode.

Does anyone else have this problem or is it just me? I know it will eventually be available after today, but it confused me, especially since it's already listing what next week's episode is. 

Edited May 16, 2018 by UYI

[qtpye]

12 hours ago, AgentRXS said:

I can't stand the new writers for this reboot. I feel insulted by the lower middle class stereotypes. I feel like the heart and soul of this show is missing and nothing about it makes sense anymore.

Its the Conners 45th anniversary and it has already been established that Crystal, Anne-Marie & Chuck, and Nancy are still in Lanford. It would have been so easy to just have the friends and neighbors throw a potluck party for Dan and Roseanne either at the Lodge or someone's home. I could see everyone chipping in to help Dan and Roseanne have a weekend getaway at the hotel.

To open the show with them eating dinner at Chi Chi's (is that the only restaurant in town?) with just the immediate family and forcing the Conners to pay for their own dinner was insulting. Hell, why wasn't Bev invited?

This is the 2nd episode in which Dan and Darlene have a conversation about basic common sense life skills  in which I feel the scene is written as the wise, ever-knowing Baby Boomer is imparting sage wisdom to the silly Millenials (even though Darlene is Gen X). Darlene grew up watching her mother take shit from a 17 year old classmate of Becky's at the chicken restaurant job in order to provide for her family, for goodness sakes. The Conner children should know more than anyone that you do what you have to do to provide for your kids. Hell, Darlene herself mentioned applying to Build-A-Bear when she first got into town. It makes ZERO sense that she would be cool with being a mall employee but initially turn her nose up at a casino job.

Yes, one of the fascinating things about the original series portrayed was the counter-dependant relationship the Conners had with Landford. They all complained about how it was a dead end town, but it was obvious that Dan and Roseanne were well liked by their friends and neighbors with the notable exception of Kathy Bowman. Landford was their home and they would not have felt comfortable anywhere else, where they would have had to start all over building relationships with people. It made no sense that there was not a big potluck at the lodge or the Lobo in honor of something as big as a 45th anniversary. We know Anne Marie, Chuck, Nancy, Jacki, and Crystal are still around. I wish we could see what happened to Arnie, but we all know that will never happen. Heck, Becky was also considered popular and well liked in high school. Darlene was a loner that never really dug the town, made sense she got out and went to Chicago, and DJ just never fit in (at least as a child). The camaraderie on the show really helped balance the harsh economic realities. Perhaps the lodge and Lobo are no longer around?

[qtpye]

18 hours ago, llewis823 said:

19 hours ago, qtpye said:

I wish we could see what happened to Arnie,

He is now living as "Elvis" on NCIS: New Orleans helping Pride and his crew try to keep Pride out of jail : )

This is going to be a weird question, but does anyone think Dan and Rosanne are still close with Ziggy? They seemed to be pretty tight and in hindsight, it was Ziggy that planted the seeds of the bike shop that leads to a lot of the Connor family future financial hardships. I know they were furious with him for getting Dan revved up and backing out of the bike shop, but he did leave them $20k. Of course, with his supposedly hard biker lifestyle, it could be a good bet that Ziggy passed away after some bad motorcycle accident. It does seem like he would be a lifelong friend otherwise, who would always stop by once in a while.

[FairyDusted]

Loved Ziggy. And hey Jacks is free to sleep with him again. Perfect in.Though going by his lifestyle he might not be around. 

[chocolatine]

I wouldn't count Ziggy out. There are plenty of 60+ year old bikers out there. :)

[FairyDusted]

25 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

I wouldn't count Ziggy out. There are plenty of 60+ year old bikers out there. :)

True! My hubby is 70 and wants a bike like his brothers in law and SIL.  If he was a rider before now I wouldn't have a problem with it but these guys lay down bikes all the time hot dogging so it's a no in my house. 

[Angeltoes]

Quote

And hey Jacks is free to sleep with him again. 

Hey, Becky is free to sleep with him now.  She did dig his eyes, you know.  Dan's head would explode.

[chocolatine]

36 minutes ago, Angeltoes said:

Hey, Becky is free to sleep with him now.  She did dig his eyes, you know.  Dan's head would explode.

I wonder if red is still her favorite color.

[qtpye]

1 hour ago, Angeltoes said:

Hey, Becky is free to sleep with him now.  She did dig his eyes, you know.  Dan's head would explode.

 

40 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

I wonder if red is still her favorite color.

Well, he was like Mark, but more mature. I have seen the actor on another show and it would be cool if he did make an appearance. I wonder if they think of him leaving the $20k was a blessing or a curse? If they had not opened the bike shop, they could have really gotten ahead on the bills and at least started a little college fund for Becky. The house would have been paid off by now and Roseanne would probably not have had to Uber and Dan would be retired. Not to mention Becky probably would not have married Mark because she would have gone off to college. It might have been unlikely that David would have come to live with them and Darlene would maybe not have two kids that she has to support all on her own because their father is an emotional and financial deadbeat.  It kind of boggles the mind the row of Dominos that might have been started by Ziggy, who was a minor character at best.

[bigskygirl]

I would not blame Ziggy for what happened. Dan and Roseanne make their own mistakes by themselves. If I was Ziggy, I could be asking them what happened to the $20,000.

[qtpye]

1 hour ago, bigskygirl said:

I would not blame Ziggy for what happened. Dan and Roseanne make their own mistakes by themselves. If I was Ziggy, I could be asking them what happened to the $20,000.

No, Ziggy was not to blame, but it is crazy how that set off a chain of events. If anything, Zig man was generous as hell for leaving them the money and he warned them that putting the house up was not a good idea.

[love2lovebadtv]

On 5/18/2018 at 10:07 PM, bigskygirl said:

I do remember Roseanne saying if she did not get married young or had kids her life would have been different aka becoming a writer. She did blame Dan for leaving Wellman and not getting the one office job at the meat packing plant.

Oh, I didn't realize she said that. I didn't watch all the prior seasons. But I do see how many of their choices keep them from moving ahead. 

On 5/19/2018 at 7:55 PM, Not4Me said:

Truth! I started watching the revival finally and I kept asking myself “Is this supposed to be Roseanne or Good Times?”. No one ever seems to catch a break (credit card gets denied at the hotel, really?) and it’s depressing to watch this compared to the original series.

I think the writing is terrible now and all over the place, largely influenced by Roseanne Barr’s nihilist views on life and reminiscent of the worst ham-fisted characteristics from Norman Lear’s shows.

Yea, the original was never this depressing. I agree, it's more like Good Times!

[UYI]

On 5/16/2018 at 9:26 AM, UYI said:

I have a DirecTV account online, but when I tried to find last night's episode there to watch, it wasn't (and still isn't) there. And yet it already has something listed for next week's episode.

Does anyone else have this problem or is it just me? I know it will eventually be available after today, but it confused me, especially since it's already listing what next week's episode is. 

Answering myself here: It's finally up on DirecTV.com! I just watched it.

[readster]

On 5/21/2018 at 7:08 AM, love2lovebadtv said:

Oh, I didn't realize she said that. I didn't watch all the prior seasons. But I do see how many of their choices keep them from moving ahead. 

Yea, the original was never this depressing. I agree, it's more like Good Times!

Yes, I kind of got where Roseanne was coming from when she blamed Dan for not getting the job. However, it could have been an eye opener for Roseanne that she needed to try something to educator herself more to get a job like that. Too bad it never went that way. The revival just seems off so much. I mean, They can get a stair climber that Dan can install and get a C-pap machine on their insurance. But get Roseanne needed surgery, is impossible. Bev gets kicked out of her nursing home and apparently lost all her money because she is 90? Jackie continues to be Wacky Jackie, who has been divorced for 20 years and is now a Life Coach? All of the kids have been hit with some really, really horrible things. At least with Becky and DJ you can understand, but Darelene is a head scratcher. 

[bigskygirl]

Dan took the stair climber from one of his neighbor or stole it from a neighbor's house. A C-Pap machine is expensive, and the supplies you need for it are not cheap either. Just for me to get the supplies I need every six months is between $200 and $300.

[CherryAmes]

According to a very negative article I just read the finale dealt with a flood and the Conners getting a cheque from FEMA  thanks to Trump. The writer obviously hated the reboot and was critical of all involved - basically the implication was that the new series played to the far right and claimed they were the 
"middle ground".  I find that hard to believe given that there were others involved here beside Roseanne but I never watched the reboot.  Do others posting here who have followed the rise and fall of Roseanne 2.0 feel this is  a fair representation of the show?

Edited May 30, 2018 by CherryAmes

[peacheslatour]

6 minutes ago, CherryAmes said:

According to a very negative article I just read the finale dealt with a flood and the Conners getting a cheque from FEMA  thanks to Trump. The writer obviously hated the reboot and was critical of all involved - basically the implication was that the new series played to the far right and claimed they were the 
"middle ground".  I find that hard to believe given that there were others involved here beside Roseanne but I never watched the reboot.  Do others posting here who have followed the rise and fall of Roseanne 2.0 feel this is  a fair representation of the show?

Not at all. Roseanne was a Trump supporter but the show only mentioned it in the first episode.

[Jacqs]

The thing is, like Last Man Standing, the politics of the lead actor does not influence the show.

First episode we saw Roseanne and Jackie fighting. Roseanne voted for Trump cause Trump at least says the things no one is allowed to say. Yet in the very episode we see a couple having to share meds cause they cannot afford their prescriptions. We saw children needing to move in due to lost jobs. We see a lot of things which do not make Roseanne voting for Trump about anything beyond "she is Roseanne and she will not stand someone telling her what to do."

An episode where Dan, long standing construction worker, loses his bid cause someone wants to hire a cheaper crew? Dan explains that yes that is awful for he and his friends but he also understands that the cheaper crew being immigrants is not a bad thing.

Roseanne and Dan have an anniversary… where we learn Rosanne is addicted to Vicodin and has secret stashes.

The show was not really conservative. Like how King of the Hill was not a conservative show.

It is easier to argue "see LIBERAL Hollywood hates us" then have the more nuanced discussion about how people on tv are not the same as those people in real life.

[madpsych78]

On 5/29/2018 at 4:28 PM, GiveMeSpace said:

I am not interested in seeing a spinoff of this show. All of the actors who worked on this show were very aware of Roseanne's views and they looked the other way. When I saw an episode where Dan Connor referred to illegal immigrants as "illegals", I was disgusted that he was willing to do that. Fuck him. They can all go away and think about what they enabled.

Well, there was this show called All in the Family with a character named Archie Bunker who would have done the same thing in an even more polarizing manner than Dan Conner. In addition, its portrayer, Carroll O'Connor, was quite liberal, and I have read that John Goodman is quite liberal as well. 

[CherryAmes]

1 minute ago, madpsych78 said:

Well, there was this show called All in the Family with a character named Archie Bunker who would have done the same thing in an even more polarizing manner than Dan Conner. In addition, its portrayer, Carroll O'Connor, was quite liberal, and I have read that John Goodman is quite liberal as well. 

There is a meme floating around right now which says "I Stand With Roseanne. Share if you do, too. If Archie Bunker were around, he'd make Roseanne look like a saint."   There are clearly a lot of people out there who don't realize that Archie Bunker wasn't supposed to be perceived as the good guy!  Anyway the problem with the Roseanne reboot is it is very difficult to really know how much what any of the characters said was meant to be what the character would say and how much was what Roseanne actually believed and then wanted the characters to say.  I'd like to think that Gilbert, Goodman and the rest were trying to show a divided America and show both sides (as if there is ever only two sides to an issue) but I'm just not convinced of that.  

[GiveMeSpace]

10 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

Well, there was this show called All in the Family with a character named Archie Bunker who would have done the same thing in an even more polarizing manner than Dan Conner. In addition, its portrayer, Carroll O'Connor, was quite liberal, and I have read that John Goodman is quite liberal as well. 

Yeah -I am old as fuck so I am familiar with Archie Bunker, but the difference is that Dan Connor wasn't a racist asshole before this season and it was jarring to hear him speak like one. It isn't that John Goodman the actor, said it-it is that Dan said it. Roseanne and Dan weren't these people when last we saw them.

[Gigglepuff]

Archie was meant to be a buffoon; he was often laughed at, and his character was not meant to be sympathized with. When he made his racist and inflammatory remarks he usually faced foes (Mike, George, and Maude) who challenged him on his bigotry.  It's a false equivalency to compare him to Roseanne, and there's no way of making her look like a saint. 

[madpsych78]

Just now, Gigglepuff said:

Archie was meant to be a buffoon; he was often laughed at, and his character was not meant to be sympathized with. When he made his racist and inflammatory remarks he usually faced foes (Mike, George, and Maude) who challenged him on his bigotry.  It's a false equivalency to compare him to Roseanne, and there's no way of making her look like a saint. 

I wasn't comparing him to Roseanne. I was comparing him to Dan.

[Gigglepuff]

Just now, madpsych78 said:

Just now, Gigglepuff said:

Archie was meant to be a buffoon; he was often laughed at, and his character was not meant to be sympathized with. When he made his racist and inflammatory remarks he usually faced foes (Mike, George, and Maude) who challenged him on his bigotry.  It's a false equivalency to compare him to Roseanne, and there's no way of making her look like a saint. 

I wasn't comparing him to Roseanne. I was comparing him to Dan.

Forget to quote, 

15 minutes ago, CherryAmes said:

There is a meme floating around right now which says "I Stand With Roseanne. Share if you do, too. If Archie Bunker were around, he'd make Roseanne look like a saint." 

Edited May 30, 2018 by Gigglepuff