Donald John Trump: 2016 President-Elect

[HumblePi]

Someone just said to me.....okay, I confess that it was my husband and I'm not proud of it, but he said to me "If all these women were sexually touched against their will, why didn't they sue him?"  He doesn't really buy all this yet, he'll learn.  Nevertheless, it was a fair question and I answered in this way. When a woman is touched inappropriately by any man, she tells him to keep his hands to himself. When women were touched by Donald Trump he was a billionaire, a powerful man with many legal resources. Unless a woman was very filthy rich herself, she could never outmatch him legally and he would eventually pay her off to shut up even if she could afford to fight him legally. I reminded my husband of the night we were at a neighbors house and her boss, who happened to be a Catholic Monseigneur started to grab and feel my breast from under the picnic table. My arms were on the table and suddenly I felt him molesting my breast. He started leaning into me and whispered in my ear "oh that feels so good, are you wearing a bra?"  I was young, only 21 and didn't want to make a scene in front of the others who were right there at the table with us. I got up and told my husband that I wanted to leave which we did. By the time I got home I was so upset that I was sobbing. He asked what was wrong and I told him. He wanted to go back to the picnic and kill that priest, actually murder him. But I stopped him because this neighbor was my friend. I completely understand how and why these women didn't speak up when it happened. Here it is decades later and that memory is still fresh as the day it happened.

[HunterHunted]

HumblePi, I'm glad you reminded your husband about that situation. It's easy to be skeptical about the timing, but people need to remember that women often have many reasons for keeping quiet about rapes, sexual assault, or sexually inappropriate language and behavior. And sometimes just knowing that you aren't the only person who has experienced this can be freeing. We have the recent examples of Bill Cosby and Roger Ailes. I also think that a lot of women felt free to tell their stories once the Access Hollywood tape leaked. Once there was concrete evidence of how terrible he was, it became a little less of a he said she said situation.

I would encourage people who are a little skeptical about these allegations to talk to the women in their lives. They will have similar stories to tell. They may not be that extreme, but many many women have experienced similar events. I have a solid half dozen of my own. It's not all men, but there is a particular personality type that is entitled with no impulse control who does this.

Edited October 13, 2016 by HunterHunted

[Hanahope]

11 minutes ago, HumblePi said:

"If all these women were sexually touched against their will, why didn't they sue him?"

Other than Paula Jones, where are all the women who sued Bill Clinton?

[HumblePi]

3 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

That he is thin skinned and petty has been one of my chief concerns about him. When Mitt Romney gave that press conference and refuted that Trump was a good business man, Trump won a ton of primaries, but spent an entire press conference talking about all of his Trump products. His own insane ego is so easily bruised that he can't stay on message.  Who cares if someone makes fun of Trump steaks and vodka. He was that much closer to being president and he could only fixate on bullshit. Emotionally he's a toddler. You cannot have a person like that negotiating with other countries. I'm positive that had he received the snub President Obama got in the Philippines, he would be calling for war.

Those Trump-brand products, Trump steaks, Trump vodka, Trump crystal bar ware, Trump ties, Trump University, Trump cufflinks, Trump airlines, Trump casinos, Trump board game, Trump magazine, and other Trump enterprises were all businesses intended to fail. He's a real estate mogul, not a retailer. Each and every one of those businesses were started to intentionally fail and write off as a tax loss on income tax against his real estate gains on property bought during the bank bust and recession.

[briochetwist]

20 minutes ago, HumblePi said:

Someone just said to me.....okay, I confess that it was my husband and I'm not proud of it, but he said to me "If all these women were sexually touched against their will, why didn't they sue him?"  

Your point is well made and I'm sorry for what you've been through, all too common for women, but I'd also out like to point out something rather obvious to people who are skeptical. Why on earth would anyone go up against Donald Trump? Do you not remember what he did to Rosie O'Donnell???? The man takes pleasure in destroying people who get in his way. He's a sociopath. It's pretty obvious to me that when the tape came out and he lied about never having sexually assaulted women, his victims were pissed off enough to speak up, feeling like they had nothing to lose. Same with the pageant contestants. He's not being accused of anything he didn't admit to doing on that Access Hollywood tape or with Howard Stern.

[film noire]

5 hours ago, heatherrrrz said:

I said this the other day. He could sell a girl into sex trafficking and his supporters would still defend him. It's disgusting.

Yep -- his followers would call it "hand job creation".

[backformore]

@Humblepi - just tell your husband that when someone who is bigger, stronger,  and more powerful than you is sexually aggressive toward you, the instinct is to get the hell out of there, not to fight.  Also women know that if they were to say anything in the moment,  they would be told they were over-reacting to an accidental brushing against you, or that it was "flirtation".  Stop being so sensitive!  It's not like he raped you!  or Admit it, you liked it!   Women also have lived lives of being praised for being pretty little good girls.  When a man pays attention to you, you're supposed to, at some level, feel complimented.

I remember the first time I was sexually assaulted, it was  a man in a toy department of a store who put his hands on me, I was a child, maybe 8 or so.  I froze - I remember the fear and confusion, but mostly the helplessness.  My parents were in the store, I didn't yell, I never told them, I didn't know what to say because I had no idea what had just happened.  Similar things happen to women all the time.  Why not report it?  because you'll be blamed, or called a liar, or it will come back to tarnish YOUR reputation. 

[Padma]

56 minutes ago, HumblePi said:

....  Then he began complaining, "why didn't the press give me more coverage of the millions of dollars I promise to donate to charity?"  He clearly asked for a double standard of the media. He banned them from his press conferences and rallies, but then he turned around and demanded coverage from the press on only hand-picked topics.

Problem with that "millions to charity" thing was he ran up against David Fahrenthold of the WP who found out Trump hadn't given any of his money to charity since 2008.  And he didn't give that $1 million he promised to the vets until Fahrenthold kept pressing and pressing for months "where is it?"  There's no millions given to charity. He's actually incredibly stingy with charitable giving--another reason he won't release his tax returns--from ANY year.

And, yes, to the ridiculous treatment of the press (for example, always caging them behind metal "pen" in the middle of his rallies so they couldn't talk with anyone and he could ridicule them easily from the stage). But the blacklist didn't ban them from rallies. It was just that they couldn't sit in the media cage and report with the others. Instead, they had to stand in line with the crowd (sometimes for hours) and could be kicked out if they brought a laptop to try to do any reporting from their seats.

[Padma]

10 minutes ago, briochetwist said:

Your point is well made and I'm sorry for what you've been through, all too common for women, but I'd also out like to point out something rather obvious to people who are skeptical. Why on earth would anyone go up against Donald Trump? Do you not remember what he did to Rosie O'Donnell???? The man takes pleasure in destroying people who get in his way. He's a sociopath. It's pretty obvious to me that when the tape came out and he lied about never having sexually assaulted women, his victims were pissed off enough to speak up, feeling like they had nothing to lose. Same with the pageant contestants. He's not being accused of anything he didn't admit to doing on that Access Hollywood tape or with Howard Stern.

It's like that poor woman who was the main litigant in the California lawsuit against Trump University. He delayed it for five years with legal motions (and enjoys how that costs other people a lot of money) and finally, last year, broke her and she dropped out, saying, "I just can't go up against Donald Trump anymore."

He sues, he stalls, he costs people a lot of money and time, and doesn't hesitate to attack them in the press. It is very difficult for "little people", average Americans without his wealth, his media access and his full time legal team, to take him on. His motto (in the Art of the Deal and elsewhere) is to destroy anyone who takes him on. He enjoys it, too. ("Winning!")

[film noire]

In an election,  year, it's more  than a little ironic that I don't have enough votes to upvote every smart post in this forum. 

 @HumblePi and @backformore  I was ten when a priest grabbed me -- in our home, yet -- on Christmas Eve and forced his tongue down my throat.  I got away and never told (until I was in my twenties) and was never alone with him again. Our bodies are maps of so many crimes against women -- hugs to you both -- as well as fists raised in solidarity.  

[Darian]

It is very well documented that sexual assault victims often don't report assaults. And consider that one of the accusers today got doxed on Twitter, a tweet that was shared by many people, including Lou Dobbs.  I'm writing an essay or blog post or something about the "they let you do it" part of Trump's comments. What he means, imo, is that he did it (he doesn't "wait") and got away with it. I have a list, like many women of unwanted sexual contact. I didn't report any of it. Either the teacher saw and simply asked if I was ok, then went on her way, or I wasn't sure what hand it was on the bus or street, or I just got the hell out of there, or I was afraid to report the handsy doctor because I was just a student nurse and I wanted to graduate and everyone knew to avoid him. I bet most or all think I let them do it, no matter if I hit or screamed or ran, because they didn't face consequences. 

My hugs to all of you. It's good we're talking about this, but I am physically ill that we have to (just want to clarify that I don't mean because of HumblePi's husband, who I am sure is a decent guy who just doesn't understand because this society can sure send a different message,  and HumblePi was awesome to share it). 

 

Meanwhile, I cannot stop laughing at the New York Times response to Trump's threat to sue. Has that been posted yet> I've read the thread, but can't scroll back in this window. Editing again to add the New York Times letter to Trump regarding his threat to sue. It's too good to even preview. Just...read it if you want to laugh. 

Edited October 13, 2016 by Darian

[madmaverick]

Trump's words today in response to that People writer's accusations.

“Take a look. Look at her. Look at her words. What do you think? I don’t think so. I don’t think so.” 

I.e. she's ugly.  Not the first time I think he's resorted to more misogyny to rebut these sorts of accusations.

Do you all think a man like him is capable of learning anything at all from all this?

[cpcathy]

That would be a big, fat orange "No."

[Kromm]

3 hours ago, Padma said:

Andrea Mitchell just reported that RT (Russian official govt television) released the latest Podesta material from wikileaks before wikileaks did. That should pretty much make it clear that our govt was right about Russian intelligence working with wikileaks to throw our election to Trump.

It's outrageous, and I think the press complicity is outrageous, too.

I hope the glorification of that psycho Julian Assange stops now.  If he was even pretending to be even handed with his leak crap at one point that's stopped now. He'll selectively leak, editorilize,  etc. and it's so transparently to a specific end now. 

[HunterHunted]

I was interviewing for an associate position with a fairly large lawfirm. The interview went well until they asked me what I did for fun. I told them I read, watched movies, baked, had board game nights, and sometimes took dance classes. The interview panel was 2 men and 1 woman. One of the guys, I think he was the most senior person on the panel, asked me what types of dance. I said different types: waltzes, foxtrot, a little line dancing, a belly dancing class with a friend, salsa, and tango. The senior guy said, "show us some." I must have looked confused because he said it again and added "show us some belly dancing." I know my eyes must have looked like saucers. I looked over to the female attorney on the interview panel and her eyes were wide and she was subtly shaking her head no. Now, the other guy starts saying "show us. Come on." I had no clue what to do. I tried to tell them that it was a while ago and I wasn't sure if I remembered anything.  The second guy was still chanting "show us."

Luckily, a person walked into the interview room and said they needed to talk to the senior attorney. The female attorney escorted me out and let me know that she had used her blackberry to ask someone to get the senior guy. The entire interaction was a horror show, but the thing that really stood out to me was that the female attorney did not feel empowered enough to turn to the others and say "no."

Who knows what happened when there were no women on the interview panel. Who even knows what that lawfirm is like for women.

[HumblePi]

1 hour ago, briochetwist said:

Your point is well made and I'm sorry for what you've been through, all too common for women, but I'd also out like to point out something rather obvious to people who are skeptical. Why on earth would anyone go up against Donald Trump? Do you not remember what he did to Rosie O'Donnell???? The man takes pleasure in destroying people who get in his way. He's a sociopath. It's pretty obvious to me that when the tape came out and he lied about never having sexually assaulted women, his victims were pissed off enough to speak up, feeling like they had nothing to lose. Same with the pageant contestants. He's not being accused of anything he didn't admit to doing on that Access Hollywood tape or with Howard Stern.

I think the turning point and the motivation and disgust arose from his direct denial on debate night when Anderson Cooper persisted with the question until her got an answer to it.  Donald Trump clearly responded "no, and I have great respect for women".  There you go, a flat-out denial of any allegations of sexual misconduct on his part. This was what many women who watched that moment said to themselves that they're going to refute his denial. Trump supporters have overlooked a lot. Assaulting of a protester at his rally being elbowed in his face by a Trump supporter, Corey Lowandowski grabbing the newswoman on the floor of the rally and denying it, the video and audio of the interview with Billy Bush, the audios while a guest on Howard Stern. All these things were forgivable and forgotten ancient history as far as Trump supporters go. The many women coming forward now are beginning to make Donald Trump look like Bill Cosby. These initial first comments weren't isolated occurrences. This man has proven himself to be a man that just feels his wealth entitles him to do or say whatever he wants to any woman, he said it himself "they let me because I'm a celebrity".  The President of the United States must have at least SOME moral character at his core, particularly one that's representing the conservative right.

[atomationage]

26 minutes ago, Kromm said:

I hope the glorification of that psycho Julian Assange stops now.

O/T but was Ryan Phillippe's character on Damages based on Assange or someone else?

I'm pretty sure the Ecuadorians want him to go away somehow, but if he stepped out the door he'd be arrested. 

I don't think anyone in Europe wants to help Drumpf at all except for the Brexidiots, or one of them anyway:

Edited October 13, 2016 by atomationage
found a worse picture

[car54]

It's not just here.

http://jezebel.com/racially-motivated-and-religious-hate-crimes-in-uk-went-1787758110

[peacheslatour]

This is mine about the debate from another thread.

His body language, the way he was trying to physically intimidate her was horrifying. As a rape survivor it nearly gave me a panic attack. I don't think most men understand the dynamics of that kind of looming physicality that maybe you only understand if you have been exposed to abusive men. And the way he was breathing, huffing and puffing with barely concealed rage. I thought he was going to explode. It was like could hardly control himself from going after her violently. Chilling.

[atomationage]

Just now, peacheslatour said:

It was like could hardly control himself from going after her violently. Chilling.

And then he went to his chair and started humping it:

[HumblePi]

19 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

I was interviewing for an associate position with a fairly large lawfirm. The interview went well until they asked me what I did for fun. I told them I read, watched movies, baked, had board game nights, and sometimes took dance classes. The interview panel was 2 men and 1 woman. One of the guys, I think he was the most senior person on the panel, asked me what types of dance. I said different types: waltzes, foxtrot, a little line dancing, a belly dancing class with a friend, salsa, and tango. The senior guy said, "show us some." I must have looked confused because he said it again and added "show us some belly dancing." I know my eyes must have looked like saucers. I looked over to the female attorney on the interview panel and her eyes were wide and she was subtly shaking her head no. Now, the other guy starts saying "show us. Come on." I had no clue what to do. I tried to tell them that it was a while ago and I wasn't sure if I remembered anything.  The second guy was still chanting "show us."

Luckily, a person walked into the interview room and said they needed to talk to the senior attorney. The female attorney escorted me out and let me know that she had used her blackberry to ask someone to get the senior guy. The entire interaction was a horror show, but the thing that really stood out to me was that the female attorney did not feel empowered enough to turn to the others and say "no."

Who knows what happened when there were no women on the interview panel. Who even knows what that lawfirm is like for women.

That's just horrible and very common I'm sure. But the demeaning and demoralizing of it is just too mind-blowing to comprehend. Being unprepared for something like that happening is the worst part of it.  Younger women seem to be less prepared for such outward and obvious sexism, and in that situation again, there is a intimidation factor since you were doing a job interview. The most bizarre thing about your situation is the fact that the interview was for a law firm. If they don't know any better than to intimidate or sexually harass a woman then they don't know shit about being lawyers.

[atomationage]

No woman could resist this:

Jamie Dornan's competition?

Edited October 13, 2016 by atomationage
not christian grey

[Princess Sparkle]

12 minutes ago, atomationage said:

And then he went to his chair and started humping it:

I  didn't know I could be simultaneously repulsed AND on the verge of laughing so hard that I'm crying.  

[cpcathy]

Were his hands altered in that photo? They look like little kid hands!

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, Princess Sparkle said:

I  didn't know I could be simultaneously repulsed AND on the verge of laughing so hard that I'm crying.  

Oh that was just so bizarre! He's got to be on something.

Edited October 13, 2016 by peacheslatour

[Princess Sparkle]

1 minute ago, cpcathy said:

Were his hands altered in that photo? They look like little kid hands!

Omg, I didn't even notice that initially but now that's all I can see and I'm laughing even harder.  And yes, I think they were altered, because in that shot they look like the hands of that one Kristen Wiig character on SNL.

[cpcathy]

That's what I thought too! Doonyce!

[GHScorpiosRule]

I've really been enjoying reading everyone's comments here. But as I'm reading about all these women who are now coming out about this Orange Orangutan, it struck me how life imitates art.  It reminded me very much of an episode in Law & Order (third season), where the police psychologist, Elizabeth Olivette was raped by this highly respected gynecologist, and when the judge overturned the guilty to a not guilty, the prosecution decided to arrest him again (on the premise he'd raped other women) and had the press there. So, in front of them he denied ever raping anyone. That he "helped women, didn't rape them." And within a few hours, 54 women had filed reports with the police--women he'd abused, molested and raped. Of course, that was television and he got sent to jail. If only the same would happen to Drumpf.

[madmaverick]

58 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

I was interviewing for an associate position with a fairly large lawfirm. The interview went well until they asked me what I did for fun. I told them I read, watched movies, baked, had board game nights, and sometimes took dance classes. The interview panel was 2 men and 1 woman. One of the guys, I think he was the most senior person on the panel, asked me what types of dance. I said different types: waltzes, foxtrot, a little line dancing, a belly dancing class with a friend, salsa, and tango. The senior guy said, "show us some." I must have looked confused because he said it again and added "show us some belly dancing." I know my eyes must have looked like saucers. I looked over to the female attorney on the interview panel and her eyes were wide and she was subtly shaking her head no. Now, the other guy starts saying "show us. Come on." I had no clue what to do. I tried to tell them that it was a while ago and I wasn't sure if I remembered anything.  The second guy was still chanting "show us."

Luckily, a person walked into the interview room and said they needed to talk to the senior attorney. The female attorney escorted me out and let me know that she had used her blackberry to ask someone to get the senior guy. The entire interaction was a horror show, but the thing that really stood out to me was that the female attorney did not feel empowered enough to turn to the others and say "no."

Who knows what happened when there were no women on the interview panel. Who even knows what that lawfirm is like for women.

What a nightmare.

I was doing an internship with a judge during law school.  It was already a bit intimidating being my first personal experience with a judge.  He would greet me with longer than necessary front body hugs and shoulder hugs and too close cheek kisses every day when we met in chambers.  It all made me very uncomfortable as it was just the two of us in chambers, and I didn't think this kind of bodily contact was normal practice, especially in my country.  I consider myself to always have been an assertive person, but in those moments, as a young, inexperienced girl, other than trying to shy away from the body contact as much as I could, I didn't really know what to do.  He never crossed some imagined red line in my mind into definitively inappropriate territory like grabbing my body parts or something like that which would have spurred me into definite resistance and I would have reported him then.  It was this nebulous grey area where I wasn't left exactly sure at the time of his intentions.  Was he just being warm, friendly? I don't think I quite convinced myself.  He otherwise acted normally.  Later on, after our internships were over, chatting with fellow interns, we realised we'd had the same experiences.  He'd been touchy feely with us all.  So, yes, I think he definitely took advantage of his position and of us.  But he was a judge!  In that position of power and in such a male dominated profession, if any of us students had reported him (for what exactly? being a lecherous old man?), I wouldn't have been surprised if there'd been backlash towards us, unfortunately.

I think everyone would like to think they would be able to call out the unwanted behavior/harassment/assault in those moments.  But sometimes, if it's completely unexpected, especially coming from someone in a position of power or someone you trust, you can just freeze and hesitate on a course of action.

Edited October 13, 2016 by madmaverick

[ChromaKelly]

4 hours ago, Padma said:

Andrea Mitchell just reported that RT (Russian official govt television) released the latest Podesta material from wikileaks before wikileaks did. That should pretty much make it clear that our govt was right about Russian intelligence working with wikileaks to throw our election to Trump.

It's outrageous, and I think the press complicity is outrageous, too. It's John Podesta, not a government official, and its his PERSONAL email.  Why is this okay?

Also, at Washington Post, looking into Trump possible connections, they mentioned his old (sleazy) buddy Roger Stone talking in summer about Podesta emails released nearer the elections and hurting Hillary.

Stone also was the one quoted in that National Enquirer article (the week of the crucial Indiana primary) falsely linking Ted Cruz's father to Oswald and the JFK assassination.  (The Nat Enquirer is the only paper that's endorsed Trump and its publisher is his long-time buddy).

These seem a lot like "dirty tricks"--in fact, if the Trump-Russia connection is verified, they will seem a lot like treason.

I think the press should stop collaborating with them in invading (private US citizen) John Podesta's privacy. (Ten years of email just dumped for all to see! Very very unfair.)

Right? I feel like I live in some kind of bizarro world where Russia hacking one of the two major political parties in the US is somehow a-ok. If WikiLeaks was really all about government transparency, wouldn't they hack the RNC too? 
I actually don't want to read either's emails. I feel like everyone is entitled to their privacy and both parties need to be able to speak freely among themselves to come up with strategy. 

[NewDigs]

On 10/12/2016 at 6:07 PM, peacheslatour said:

I wonder what Donald Trump's relationship with his mother was like? Because of my extensive scientific research of watching Criminal Minds, usually this kind of pathological hatred of women can be traced to the psychopath's own relationships with women in early childhood.

A few months ago, during an NBC Town Hall, he referred to his mother as his "father's wife".

And no one said, Whaaat???

And I think Ivana's parents pretty much raised the kids.

Might be a good thing, they kept young women and girls away from him.

And everyone ignored this. 

Ignored! 

Oh dear. And this is the HRC thread. Will move.

^^^^^^^^^^^

Moved from HRC thread.

Edited October 13, 2016 by NewDigs
fixed link

[callmebetty]

24 minutes ago, Princess Sparkle said:

I  didn't know I could be simultaneously repulsed AND on the verge of laughing so hard that I'm crying.  

 

21 minutes ago, cpcathy said:

Were his hands altered in that photo? They look like little kid hands!

Omg. I can barely type this because I still have tears in my eyes, I'm laughing so hard. Thank you so much I really needed that.

[madmaverick]

31 minutes ago, atomationage said:

No woman could resist this:

Jamie Dornan's competition?

Did you hear that idiotic Trump surrogate who blamed 50 shades for what Trump said on the tape?    Ana Navarro schooled her good calling her '50 shades of crazy'. Plus, I think Trump made those remarks before the books came out.  And there really is no connection between the two matters whatsoever. 

[BoogieBurns]

6 minutes ago, madmaverick said:

Did you hear that idiotic Trump surrogate who blamed 50 shades for what Trump said on the tape?    Ana Navarro schooled her good calling her '50 shades of crazy'. Plus, I think Trump made those remarks before the books came out.  And there really is no connection between the two matters whatsoever. 

Someone's comment (I haven't read the books) was "50 Shades of Gray spent almost half of the book with the girl signing consent forms!" Aka, it's an erotic book, but it's not a book about rape.

[Kitty Redstone]

7 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I've really been enjoying reading everyone's comments here. But as I'm reading about all these women who are now coming out about this Orange Orangutan, it struck me how life imitates art.  It reminded me very much of an episode in Law & Order (third season), where the police psychologist, Elizabeth Olivette was raped by this highly respected gynecologist, and when the judge overturned the guilty to a not guilty, the prosecution decided to arrest him again (on the premise he'd raped other women) and had the press there. So, in front of them he denied ever raping anyone. That he "helped women, didn't rape them." And within a few hours, 54 women had filed reports with the police--women he'd abused, molested and raped. Of course, that was television and he got sent to jail. If only the same would happen to Drumpf.

Yes!  The fifth season episode "Virtue" is apropos as well.

Today I've been reading about Trump's hardcore fans and am saddened by the number of blue collar supporters that make up that contingent.  The question of why people will act and vote against their own economic self-interest has long fascinated me, and this election has made it all the more interesting.  Seriously, does that woman from yesterday or the day before - the one who said that people in the South love their guns and will rise up and revolt if Trump doesn't win - think he gives a shit about her or her inability to afford dental care?  Or her feeling of powerlessness? Or her real or imagined fears?  It's so bizarre that a man who flaunts his wealth and elitism has been able to tap into and somewhat harness such deep anger at system dominated by money.

[maraleia]

40 minutes ago, cpcathy said:

Were his hands altered in that photo? They look like little kid hands!

Nope the Hollywood Reporter did a life size version of his hands that you can print out and they are only 7 inches tall from palm to longest finger. I know this because I printed it out and my fingers are tiny and only about 1/2 an inch smaller than his.

Also, the worst thing that's ever happened to me is when I was dating a guy during my freshman year in college (before I realized I was a lesbian BTW). When he asked me to hang out I told him I had to study for finals and instead of saying fine lets hang out later he told me I didn't need to study because I was stupid anyway. I went over to his dorm 30 minutes later and broke up with him in front of his friends and told them why in the process. This happened 26 years ago and I can still remember the feeling I had in the pit of my stomach. I can only imagine what women who were sexually assaulted have gone through. My heart goes out to each and every one of you in this thread.

[ChromaKelly]

Oookkkk.... No wonder some Trumpsters think pussy grabbing is just what men say. Check out Rush Limbaugh. Apparently he thinks consent is some liberal woo-woo. Yes Rush, consent is the operative word here. It doesn't matter if it's two people, eight, or eighty people getting down, as long as all parties consent and are able to consent. 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/13/here-come-the-rape-police-rush-limbaugh-reacts-to-trumps-sex-talk-scandal/

[BoogieBurns]

7 minutes ago, maraleia said:

the Hollywood Reporter did a life size version of his hands that you can print out and they are only 7 inches tall from palm to longest finger.

I am a 5'6" lady with size 5 ring finger and I have the same size hands as him. His fingers are fatter, but he has average sized lady hands, and he is a 6'2" man. 

[atomationage]

Okay, it's time for the Tea Consent video (consent is everything) again:

Edited October 13, 2016 by atomationage
CONSENT IS EVERYTHING

[hoosier80]

Two examples of harassment in my life.  One time at a real estate convention, in a crowded elevator going from convention hall up to my room.  I was with an organization that was a vendor to realtors, with a shirt and I think other items that clearly identified that I worked for company A.  It was a company most realtors would deal with at some point in time.  Anyhow, middle aged guys on the elevator with one or two women.  I'm in the elevator and someone pinched my ass.  I didn't even think about it and went off.  OUCH!  Who in the hell did that, you old perverts!! And all they did was laugh.  I told my employer, which was run by a womanizer, so that fell on deaf ears.  Maybe because I had the company logo on my person (and the owner slept with many women, while he was married, with married women, etc) they figured I was "used to it" or he wouldn't report if if I knew who it was .....?  Same employer also said he was looking at some nice legs (mine) after I'd lost a lot of weight.  His wife, who was in the meeting wasn't thrilled, and soon I was looking for a new job (some baseless claim that she couldn't even prove, but I'm in a hire/fire at will state).  I called an attorney who said I had no case for anything as it wasn't written down or recorded.  

A few years back, the boss I had at the time was a crude individual, even though he had to tell us the east coast university he graduated from multiple times; he thought he was elite compared to people in the Midwest.  He came over to my desk, and proceeded to put his foot up on the "guest chair".  I realized that if I turned my head, I would be talking directly into his pant zipper.  Yes, I was basically at penis level with this guy - picture a Captain Morgan stance by this gross person.  I had told another manager; he laughed it off.  He did it twice to another co-worker.  I honestly think he was clueless about what he was doing.  He sat and loudly burped over and over in his (female) boss' office (I witnessed that).  She gave me a look like WTF.  He was moved to another area, and eventually let go.  

The idiot boss I had wasn't even to the level of Trump in terms of power and money.  And it took several years of pigeon holing him until they finally got rid of him.  I know the female boss finally took action, but she even couldn't wield enough power to get rid of him instantly.  A woman facing someone in power like Trump had no hope of prevailing unless there's recorded proof.

[Padma]

Here's his rally today in W. Palm Beach: For those who can't sit through it, I transcribed a bit below. Didn't transcribe the part where he calls his accusers liars and blasts the press, but there's enough to show...scary guy (You have to skip forward a bit through his boardroom and Giuliani):

In this speech of Trump's, you will learn that the "political establishment", the "Clinton machine" and the "national media" are all part of a global conspiracy that wants to "destroy our movement and let the Clintons keep their corrupt control over our government".   And that our president is "incompetent". And that "the Clintons are criminals".  And that when his crowds chant "Lock her up", he agrees, "She SHOULD be locked up!"  Somewhere in there, he also says, "“This is a struggle for the survival of our nation, believe me. And this will be our last chance to save it.” 

Here are a few more bits (imagine it punctuated with much loud cheering from the crowd):

"They knew they would throw every lie they could at me and my family, to try to stop me. But I never knew...it would be this vicious. But I gladly take all of these slings and arrows gladly for you. ... Our great civilization has come upon a moment of reckoning...we saw it in the United Kingdom where they voted to liberate themselves from (he lists a bunch of things, ending with illegal immigrants) ..." 

But its our country who's the leader in "radical globalization and disenfranchisement of our people"...Their [The huge corrupt power structure that governs us] resources are unmatched...(financial...media...etc.) And the depths of their immorality is unlimited.  They'll allow radical Islam into this country... destruction is due to inept, incompetent and corrupt people like Obama and Clinton..." 

"The corrupt political machine has no soul... I knew these attacks would come....The only force strong enough to save our country is us....We are going to have a policy America First!  (crowd chants USA USA!)"

They control the Dept of Justice (boos) and they even secretly meet with the AG of the USA. ... Hillary Clinton is guilty of all the things that FBI Director Comey stated... yet he let her off the hook...This is a conspiracy against you the American people and we cannot let this happen or continue. ....This is our moment of reckoning as a society and as a civilization... I built a great company and had a wonderful life....

.....This country has given me so much and I feel so strongly that it's my turn to give back to the country that I love.... In my former life I was an insider as much as anybody else and.....I still know what it's like to be an insider--it's not bad! It's not bad.

.Now I'm being punished for leaving the special (insiders) club and revealing to you the terrible things that are going on with our country. Because I used to be part of the club, I'm the only one that can fix it. I'm doing this for the people and for the movement and we will take back this country for you and we will make America great again.

.The corrupt establishment knows that we are a great threat to their criminal enterprise, that if we win their power is gone and it is returned to you the people, it will be. .... It depends on whether we let the corrupt media decide our future or whether we let the American people decide our future. If this corrupt Clinton campaign succeeds,... then no other highly successful person.....will ever again, EVER!, run for office. I've heard it for years' if you're very successful, you can't run for higher office.' ....I will not lie to you. These false attacks are absolutely hurtful (to me and my family).... I will deliver like you've never seen before...Vote for DT and you're going to see something, you'll be so thrilled.....

We will vote to put this corrupt government cartel out of business and out of business immediately.... we will vote the special interests out of power...we will save our sovereign rights, we will end the politics of profit, we will end the total disenfranchisement of the American voter and the American worker.... Join me in taking back our country and in creating a bright, new future for our people. We will make America great again --and it will happen quickly!"

Edited October 13, 2016 by Padma

[HunterHunted]

3 hours ago, madmaverick said:

Trump's words today in response to that People writer's accusations.

“Take a look. Look at her. Look at her words. What do you think? I don’t think so. I don’t think so.” 

I.e. she's ugly.  Not the first time I think he's resorted to more misogyny to rebut these sorts of accusations.

Do you all think a man like him is capable of learning anything at all from all this?

His whole take a look at her thing is making me completely livid because according to his reasoning only attractive women, men, and children are sexually harassed, assaulted, and raped. His ignorance about how harassment, assault, and rape are used as tools to assert, reaffirm, and display power and dominance is not surprising. But if he was the least bit knowledgeable about the world and empathetic, he would never have said that. 

I find him repulsive and disgusting on such a fundamental level. I want to compare him to an animal, bacteria, or virus, but that's insult to animals, bacteria, and viruses. He's incapable of empathy, but we've known that for a while. He's expressed disdain for multiple ethnic minorities, military who are captured as prisoners of war, military personnel and veterans who have mental health and substance use issues, Muslims, women, and all of the people who suffer under the dictators that he's praised. He's also demonstrated that he's completely oblivious about what is in the Constitution, our laws, and how our system of government operates. He is completely unsuited to be the president. I'm pretty sure there are dozens of 5th graders from Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader? who are more knowledgeable and empathetic.

As a western Pennsylvanian, I roll my eyes so hard that my neighbors can hear it when he talks about bringing the steel industry back to Pittsburgh. Steel is not coming back at least not like it was in the 70s. Some steel mills have reopened, but with a dozen employees instead of hundreds because of robots. I no longer live in Pennsylvania, but my fellow Pennsylvanians should know better.

[Kitty Redstone]

He's a desperate and pathetic man.  I'd say deluded, too, but he knows he's going to lose and that speech lays out exactly how he's going to explain it.

[Cupid Stunt]

First Lady Michelle Obama speaking in Manchester, New Hampshire -- 10/13/2016

FLOTUS strips the bark off of Hair Gropenführer.

[peacheslatour]

3 minutes ago, Cupid Stunt said:

First Lady Michelle Obama speaking in Manchester, New Hampshire -- 10/13/2016

FLOTUS strips the bark off of Hair Gropenführer.

 

Yep, I watched live. I've never been so proud to be a woman and an American. Brilliant, truly.

[needschocolate]

I predict that after Trump loses the election and the republican party is left in shamble, he will say that he doesn't care about being president because he makes more money running his many, many, profitable, very profitable companies, and that the only reason he ran for office was to break the republican party.

One of the news channels had this on their news scroll "Trump: Calls accusers 'horrible, horrible liars' "  I haven't heard his speech, but I can imagine him standing in front of a room of his supporters and saying that his accusers are "horrible, horrible liars.  I am a much, much better at lying than any of them.  I am so good at lying.  Tremendously good. No one is better at lying than I am. I am so good that none of you have figured out that I have been lying to you all the time" Then the supporters would cheer,  

9 hours ago, car54 said:

Isn't the next one with the Fox news guy who said he didn't need to fact check?  I figured that one would be a mess anyway.  I'd rather see Hillary get out on the campaign trail and not lose days for prep.   Trump just stands and lies for 90 minutes so really there's no point in more debate.

Sounds like Trump knows he's done in more ways than one.

I think it would be more accurate to say "Trump just looms and lies and sniffs for ninety minutes..."

[starri]

9 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Yep, I watched live. I've never been so proud to be a woman and an American. Brilliant, truly.

Michelle v Trump.

Trump never had a chance.

[callmebetty]

2 hours ago, atomationage said:

And then he went to his chair and started humping it:

The Humpty Dance is your chance to do the hump

Do the Humpty Trump, come on and do the Humpty Trump

Do the Humpty Trump, just watch me do the Humpty Trump

Do ya know what I'm doin', doin' the Humpty Trump…

[backformore]

Interesting:  Trump stopped his campaign from looking into his background

Quote

WASHINGTON _ Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump rebuffed political aides' requests to research his past, people familiar with the matter said, a decision that contributed to his campaign being caught unprepared for the past week's barrage of claims he mistreated women.

Corey Lewandowski, Trump's first campaign manager, requested that Trump submit himself to a forensic evaluation that is traditional for any public figure seeking office, according to people granted anonymity to speak freely about the campaign's early days last year. Opposition research would allow Trump's new political team to prepare for potential attacks on his candidacy.

Paul Manafort and his team made a similar request when they took over the reins after Lewandowski, who was ousted this June.

Trump declined, the people said, and the issue became a point of contention among his closest political advisers and some longtime employees at the Trump Organization. Trump spokespeople Jason Miller and Hope Hicks didn't immediately respond to requests for comment.

He screwed himself but underestimating women he had assaulted.     KARMA.

[LotusFlower]

3 hours ago, Darian said:

Meanwhile, I cannot stop laughing at the New York Times response to Trump's threat to sue. Has that been posted yet> I've read the thread, but can't scroll back in this window. Editing again to add the New York Times letter to Trump regarding his threat to sue. It's too good to even preview. Just...read it if you want to laugh. 

This letter is everything.

Trump won't sue.   He just needs to say he will as a way to refute the charges.