Donald John Trump: 2016 President-Elect

[backformore]

2 minutes ago, Rapunzel said:

The fact is, no matter how hard he tries, he is a world wide joke and deep down he knows it. I've been in Europe the past week now and will be for another two and then heading to China, and I can honestly say that everyone in Europe is afraid of the damage he will do but also sees him as a laughing stock. He's a downright ignorant twit - without a doubt. No one will ever respect him - they might respect the position he holds, but they will not respect the man holding it.

My big fear is that the USA is becoming a laughingstock because of him.

[onthebrink03]

Don't worry backformore.  Some in the USA have become laughingstocks.  Actually some have been that for quite sometime.  The world was not impressed when Dubya won twice but you survived that.  I'm sure the world knows of the extreme opposition to Trump.  They know he won because of an antiquated system - the electoral college.  They know he lost the popular vote and that the majority did not vote him into office.  They know Trump and his supporters are a "special" breed and that they do not speak for all of America.  They will continue to be laughingstocks but I'm betting The Resistance will get much respect.

[ChristmasJones]

I wish someone who was good with graphics could make a graphic of the orange one as a puppet (like a marionette) , and then all the people behind him controlling the strings from up above. I think that would be a really cool image.

[ruby24]

The Rockettes are being forced to perform at this asshole's inauguration against their will! They are being strong-armed by their union and  threatened with termination. We should all email the producers directly. I've already done so.

[navelgazer]

I wonder how criminal defense lawyers are going to use Twitler's bribery (Pam Bondi), violating the Cuban embargo, sexual assault, self-dealing from his foundation, his seemingly unlimited corruption, to get their clients off.  We are back in the Gilded Age where the rich and powerful are not subject to the rule of law.  Let the chaos ensue.  

[backformore]

42 minutes ago, ChristmasJones said:

I wish someone who was good with graphics could make a graphic of the orange one as a puppet (like a marionette) , and then all the people behind him controlling the strings from up above. I think that would be a really cool image.

I like this one:

[navelgazer]

so sorry, it turned into a gold pitch in the end.    

Edited December 23, 2016 by navelgazer

[Guest]

4 hours ago, theredhead77 said:

13 hours ago, Lunata said:

 Elton John and David Foster were both invited and 'respectfully declined'. 

I'm choosing to imagine Sir Elton, in his lovely British accent basically said "are you fucking kidding me? I'm gay and British! And then proceed to rip into Trump, ending with a Bless Your Heart".

I remind myself that Elton John happily played Rush Limbaugh's latest wedding a few years back. I don't know whether he's grown a conscience since then or whether the Inaugural Committee's check didn't contain enough zeroes for his liking. 

I'd like to think it's the former. 

[Rapunzel]

 Chrissy Teigen's (model/TV Host) response via Twitter to the fact that Trump claimed (via Tweet, of course) that he didn't want "A List" Celebs at his inauguration anyway is great. Chrissy said:

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"Hi - we are people," she tweeted. "You are our president too. I don't want you to be, but u are. Also we ALL know you are dying without the approval, dear.

How long do you think it will be before he starts fat shaming her or something? To be clear, it's obvious that she most definitely is not fat and I would never body shame her in any way- I'm just pointing out one of Trump's favorite responses towards women that challenge him/things he says.

In addition, apparently Steve Wynn, who is supposedly a friend of Trump's and of course, owns several hotels and casinos (more successful than Trump's), had apparently said that he would try to get Celine Dion to perform at the inauguration. Celine refused. Wynn also supposedly tried to help him with Garth Brooks, who, as we already know, declined as well.

But remember - Trump doesn't care if he has  "A List" (or at this point even "B, C or D List" Celebs) at his inauguration since he supposedly just wants "the PEOPLE!" If that's the case, then why is he trying so desperately to get the "A Listers" and even asking Steve Wynn to help him out? I've said it before and I'll say it again - he and his ego need those top notch celebs there - he is going crazy over not being able to get them. Can't wait for his tantrum/meltdown - most likely to happen via Twitter in the middle of the night not long before the inaguration.

Edited December 23, 2016 by Rapunzel

[Ceindreadh]

1 hour ago, Giant Misfit said:

I remind myself that Elton John happily played Rush Limbaugh's latest wedding a few years back. I don't know whether he's grown a conscience since then or whether the Inaugural Committee's check didn't contain enough zeroes for his liking. 

I'd like to think it's the former. 

I think that playing at a private function is different than a political one. Playing the inauguration is an implicit sign that you support them politically. Whereas with a wedding you're just supporting the right of somebody to get married (no matter how big a dick they are)

7 hours ago, auntjess said:

With Trump calling for more nukes, here's an appropriate tune from the great Tom Lehrer, while we're still here to hear it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrbv40ENU_o

Can somebody bring in a rule that if you want control of the nukes that you first have to watch 'The day after' and/or 'Threads'. 

Then again, Trump would likely watch them and start stockpiling supplies so as to make a profit from the survivors. 

[Rapunzel]

49 minutes ago, Ceindreadh said:

Can somebody bring in a rule that if you want control of the nukes that you first have to watch 'The day after' and/or 'Threads'. 

Then again, Trump would likely watch them and start stockpiling supplies so as to make a profit from the survivors. 

I agree that both films should be required viewing for Trump, however as they are not cartoons he may have a hard time following. Both were made before I was born, but I have seen them and every time I see them again they still scare me.

Trump also needs to work on his nuclear war vocabulary (and his vocab in general, obviously). The man clearly has no idea what MAD means. No, Twitler, it does not mean "upset" in this case. MAD stands for Mutually Assured Destruction, which is what will happen if one nuclear power launches a nuke at another. The other will launch within a second and they will likely destroy each other. The fallout from that will most definitely impact the world as we know it. MAD is one of the things that has helped to stave off nuclear war, but if Oompa Loompa doesn't know this and gets pissed off during a Twitter rant and calls for the nuclear codes, we're all just screwed. Even the rethugs cannot want this scenario - I hope that whilst Paul Ryan is supposedly educating the great orange one on the Constitution that he covers this little topic as well. Not that Trump is likely to retain/comprehend any of it of course...

Edited December 23, 2016 by Rapunzel

[Lunata]

Rockette Phoebe Pearl said in an Instagram post Thursday night that she was “embarrassed and disappointed” to appear at the event.

“I usually don’t use social media to make a political stand but I feel overwhelmed with emotion,” Pearl wrote.“Finding out that it has been decided for us that Rockettes will be performing at the Presidential inauguration makes me feel embarrassed and disappointed.” Pearl said she felt uncomfortable about the performance, given Trump’s history with unsavory language and assault allegations.“The women I work with are intelligent and are full of love and the decision of performing for a man that stands for everything we’re against is appalling,” she wrote.“I am speaking for just myself but please know that after we found out this news, we have been performing with tears in our eyes and heavy hearts #notmypresident”

[Pixel]

1 hour ago, Lunata said:

Rockette Phoebe Pearl said in an Instagram post Thursday night that she was “embarrassed and disappointed” to appear at the event.

“I usually don’t use social media to make a political stand but I feel overwhelmed with emotion,” Pearl wrote.“Finding out that it has been decided for us that Rockettes will be performing at the Presidential inauguration makes me feel embarrassed and disappointed.” Pearl said she felt uncomfortable about the performance, given Trump’s history with unsavory language and assault allegations.“The women I work with are intelligent and are full of love and the decision of performing for a man that stands for everything we’re against is appalling,” she wrote.“I am speaking for just myself but please know that after we found out this news, we have been performing with tears in our eyes and heavy hearts #notmypresident”

That's really sad to see.  They are being made to appear as if they support something they don't.  I'm a little concerned that Phoebe may be out of a job soon because of her post.

[Lunata]

1 minute ago, Pixel said:

That's really sad to see.  They are being made to appear as if they support something they don't.  I'm a little concerned that Phoebe may be out of a job soon because of her post.

I don't think the owners of Radio City would want that publicity either but we never know, maybe they're weighing the repercussions of her Instagram post over the repercussions of firing her for exercising her First Amendment right to free speech. I'm sure that Pheobe was speaking for many of the other dancers and to fire her would result in the firing of many others.

[Chicken Wing]

And now I'm amusing myself with an image of Rockettes lining up one by one to give Trump a sky-high kick in the pants.

[Lunata]

3 hours ago, Ceindreadh said:

I think that playing at a private function is different than a political one. Playing the inauguration is an implicit sign that you support them politically. Whereas with a wedding you're just supporting the right of somebody to get married (no matter how big a dick they are)

Can somebody bring in a rule that if you want control of the nukes that you first have to watch 'The day after' and/or 'Threads'. 

Then again, Trump would likely watch them and start stockpiling supplies so as to make a profit from the survivors. 

I was very young when I first saw news movies of the aftermath of Hiroshima and Nagasaki when I was a kid going to see a matinee at the local movie theater. It was so traumatizing just seeing the devastation that I can't even fathom how people in those two cities that survived could ever live with those horrors in their memory. Children alone, crying for help with their flesh hanging off their bodies like burnt clothing. People can get a pretty good idea of what it would be like during a nuclear holocaust but I don't think anyone could really understand all that it would be without actually surviving one.

[BBDi]

4 hours ago, Ceindreadh said:

I think that playing at a private function is different than a political one. Playing the inauguration is an implicit sign that you support them politically. Whereas with a wedding you're just supporting the right of somebody to get married (no matter how big a dick they are)

Can somebody bring in a rule that if you want control of the nukes that you first have to watch 'The day after' and/or 'Threads'. 

Then again, Trump would likely watch them and start stockpiling supplies so as to make a profit from the survivors. 

Dr Strangelove also comes to mind, though I'm sure Twitler wouldn't get it. He's like a cross between General (admiral?) Turgidson and President Merkin Muffley. 

I'm in my late 50s and I spent a few years of my early childhood being scared of mushrooms and the guy on the Cream of Wheat box. Several years ago I pieced it together and realized that I wasn't scared of mushrooms, I was scared of mushroom clouds, and a that the chef's hat on the Cream of Wheat box resembled a mushroom cloud. (Yes, I was a neurotic child.)

I am still pissed off at the adults of that time who held our lives in their hands. It is unforgivable that children - that anyone - should live in fear like that because of their macho posturing and might is right bullshit. 

[backformore]

so early this morning, Trump is tweeting about the "possible conflict of interest"

No, nobody is saying he can't contribute to charity - only that he cannot tie donations to a promise of an audience with the president.   soliciting donations to his foundation with the promise of meeting the Trump family IS a conflict of interest. 

Here's an idea - how about if Eric donates some of his own money?  or puts someone else in charge of the foundation and only accept anonymous donations? 

[bmasters9]

1 hour ago, Pixel said:

That's really sad to see.  They are being made to appear as if they support something they don't.  I'm a little concerned that Phoebe may be out of a job soon because of her post.

So in other words, they don't support Trump, but are required to give the appearance otherwise by performing at the inauguration at the risk of termination?! How can the union do that?!

[izabella]

2 minutes ago, bmasters9 said:

So in other words, they don't support Trump, but are required to give the appearance otherwise by performing at the inauguration at the risk of termination?! How can the union do that?!

How do we know the union is making the dancers do that?  Seems far more likely that....follow the money....whoever profits from the Rockettes, the owners, are making the Rockettes do that, and the union can't do anything about it because of the womens' contracts with the owners.

Edited December 23, 2016 by izabella

[bmasters9]

1 minute ago, izabella said:

How do we know the union is making the dancers do that?  Seems far more likely that....follow the money....whoever profits from the Rockettes, the owners, are making the Rockettes do that, and the union can't do anything about it because of the womens' contracts with the owners.

Never thought of it that way! I thought it was the union, based on what I read. I didn't realize that the businesses or others who profited would be more likely behind it.

[onthebrink03]

8 minutes ago, backformore said:

so early this morning, Trump is tweeting about the "possible conflict of interest"

No, nobody is saying he can't contribute to charity - only that he cannot tie donations to a promise of an audience with the president.   soliciting donations to his foundation with the promise of meeting the Trump family IS a conflict of interest. 

Here's an idea - how about if Eric donates some of his own money?  or puts someone else in charge of the foundation and only accept anonymous donations? 

A little more about the charity run by Trump's wonderful son.  Certainly is a chip off the old block.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3144772/eric-trumps-charity-flouted-philanthropic-standards-ap-investigation/

[Ocean Chick]

And absolutely no one is being stopped in regards to donating directly to charities that deal with kids with cancer.  Why go through Eric at all?  Eric can still donate his own money to St. Judes, or his nearest local hospital or research facility.  Nothing stopping that, since he loves those kids so much.  Heh.

[sistermagpie]

56 minutes ago, stewedsquash said:

The alt left has been around long before Hillary tried to label all Trump supports as alt right.

Hillary did not do that, obviously.

Using the term "alt-left" is not a reference to whatever people one can find after the fact who used it in the past on the internet. (Especially if it's like one alt right guy with a few of his own ideas.) The alt left as used here is a creation of the right to promote its own Nazi faction. The one supporters continue to protect.

 

51 minutes ago, onthebrink03 said:

No, nobody is saying he can't contribute to charity - only that he cannot tie donations to a promise of an audience with the president.   soliciting donations to his foundation with the promise of meeting the Trump family IS a conflict of interest. 

LOL! Of course. I'm sure those poor cancer victims that ET loves to much (not) are thrilled to of use to the Trumps as a cover for their attempts to use both charity and the presidency to make money for themselves. He doesn't even care how transparent this is.

56 minutes ago, stewedsquash said:

(sidenote, love how the commentator calls Kellyanne a badass for coming on the show):

Yes, that always cracks me up. Conservative commentators go on liberal shows all the time and are always given protection and praise for doing it even though they know they're going to be treated well. It fits in with the whole weird version of heroism in the philosophy:

KAC going on a talk show to rattle off the usual talking points where the most that will happen is she'll get caught up in her own lies in response to reasonable questions from the host = badass.

John McCain chooses to spend years being tortured because as a soldier he thinks it's his duty to suffer along with his men no matter who his daddy is = heroes don't get captured.

Edited December 23, 2016 by sistermagpie

[Rapunzel]

32 minutes ago, Ocean Chick said:

And absolutely no one is being stopped in regards to donating directly to charities that deal with kids with cancer.  Why go through Eric at all?  Eric can still donate his own money to St. Judes, or his nearest local hospital or research facility.  Nothing stopping that, since he loves those kids so much.  Heh.

Exactly. Eric can also still try to raise money for St. Jude's, however the checks will just have to be made out to St. Jude's rather than the Eric Trump Foundation or some other Trump family affiliated foundation and this is what he should be encouraging if he gave a damn about those sick children.

At least this way you can ensure that the majority of your money won't be gobbled up by the money hungry Trump family who tried to sell coffee with Ivanka and a hunting trip with the boys.

Anytime you donate to charity, don't go through a third party - always go direct so you can ensure your money is not being misappropriated and having large "administrative expenses" removed from it  (meaning it lines the Trump family's pockets).

Edited December 23, 2016 by Rapunzel

[onthebrink03]

sistermagpie, that quote you responded to was not from me but from the lovely backformore.  And a big thumbs up from me for your take on the situation.

[BBDi]

6 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

 

John McCain chooses to spend years being tortured because as a soldier he thinks it's his duty to suffer along with his men no matter who his daddy is = heroes don't get captured.

Come on, sister magpie. If Twitler had gone to 'Nam he wouldn't have gotten captured, because he's a winner. In fact, he would have won the war single-handed. 

[sistermagpie]

7 minutes ago, onthebrink03 said:

sistermagpie, that quote you responded to was not from me but from the lovely backformore. 

Whoops! Thanks for the correction. The quoting on the site sometimes has a mind of its own!

1 minute ago, BBDi said:

Come on, sister magpie. If Twitler had gone to 'Nam he wouldn't have gotten captured, because he's a winner. In fact, he would have won the war single-handed. 

Just think of all the lives that could have been saved were it not for those darn bone spurs. Sad.

[KerleyQ]

12 hours ago, Duke Silver said:

^^ I think KAC has been lying for so long that if one of her kids asked her if they can have a cookie, KAC would spend 10 minutes dissembling, formulating a "say-nothing" response.

"Who said we have cookies?  When were these cookies supposedly bought?  How come you're not mentioning the cookies that Hillary selfishly horded to give to the Saudis instead of allowing children to have Christmas cookies?  Why can't we talk about that?" 

54 minutes ago, backformore said:

so early this morning, Trump is tweeting about the "possible conflict of interest"

No, nobody is saying he can't contribute to charity - only that he cannot tie donations to a promise of an audience with the president.   soliciting donations to his foundation with the promise of meeting the Trump family IS a conflict of interest. 

Here's an idea - how about if Eric donates some of his own money?  or puts someone else in charge of the foundation and only accept anonymous donations? 

I tweeted at him that this is exactly the kind of thing that people consider when making a decision as to whether or not to run for President.  And, yes, Eric can donate his own money.  He can volunteer his services to St. Jude to help raise funds through them.  He can provide a free rental at one of his properties to hold a fundraising event.  The only thing he can't do is use his charity as a way to facilitate access to the President in exchange for donations (while also using at least a portion of those donations to line his own pockets).  It's amazing what a burden it is to the Trump family to not behave unethically.  

[stillshimpy]

I wouldn't worry about Phoebe's job status after that, if the Rockettes dump her for that, the entire theatre community on Broadway is likely to open their doors and offer positions.   The cast of Hamilton is in a glorious, lovely, I-adore-them war with our Tantrum-throwing-Tangerine-elect so, to put it mildly, the arts community is far more like to lay down the "Sorry you were fired for speaking your mind, come this way, we need a hoofer!" welcome mat.  It's a community that is very likely to support her because the Apricot Homophobe is set to strip many in their community of the basic rights of a human being in our society.  

If anything happens from this, she'll get the "welcome to the right side of history, Phoebe" from her peers for that, and for being awesome.

Scott Baio (however the hell that has-been's name is spelled) and Antonio Sabatto Jr. (the never-was) can play American the Beautiful on kazoos and reenact scenes from Charles in Charge.   

It sort of doesn't matter to me, as I'd choose death first over watching those destroyers of democracy get sworn in, lying their asses off every moment.  Protect and uphold, oh hardy har.  Maybe Pence's vengeful sky bully will smite the fuck out of them.  

[film noire]

Scantily clad women are being forced, against their will, to appear before a pig man who molests women -- yep, sounds about right for a Trump  "inauguration". 

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How do we know the union is making the dancers do that?  Seems far more likely that....follow the money....whoever profits from the Rockettes, the owners, are making the Rockettes do that, and the union can't do anything about it because of the womens' contracts with the owners.

 I'm pretty sure (but could be wrong) the union (AVGA) that covers The Rockettes agreed to the contract offered by Dolan (executive chairman of Madison Square Garden Co) so AVGA bears some responsibility here. Dolan won't stop unless he faces a huge economic /status loss (boycotts, picketing, etc).  It's good some celebs are attacking this, but unless big musical acts threaten to turn Madison Square Garden into a boycotted venue, nothing's going to change (eta: and that's wrong on so many levels I can't even count them). 

Edited December 23, 2016 by film noire

[kassa]

"has raised millions of dollars for them" -- I'm sure he has.  The question is... how much of that money actually went to them?

If he ever sat for a legitimate interview (which he won't), I'd love for a question to be "Can you explain why Hillary's foundation was a conflict of interest?"  Don't even tie it to HIS conflicts of interest -- just make him say in his own words why he hammered on her foundation, Make him say the words.  THEN ask him about his situation.

[sistermagpie]

4 minutes ago, kassa said:

"has raised millions of dollars for them" -- I'm sure he has.  The question is... how much of that money actually went to them?

Probably more like they raised millions of dollars for him.

[Moose135]

6 minutes ago, film noire said:

Dolan (executive chairman of Madison Square Garden Co)

I almost forgot that James Dolan and the Dolan family own and run MSG...more rat bastards that fit in perfectly with the Orange One.

[Padma]

36 minutes ago, BBDi said:

Come on, sister magpie. If Twitler had gone to 'Nam he wouldn't have gotten captured, because he's a winner. In fact, he would have won the war single-handed. 

Yes, so tragic that the U.S. didn't have the benefits of his fighting skills because he had to take four deferments to stay at the University of Pennsylvania (fighting for his education!) and then after graduation, found a doctor who would write a letter for rich kids  diagnose him with a bone spur (darned if he can remember now which foot it was, though!)  A great hero, who even then surely "knew more than the generals", was lost to history that year. Sad!

Oh, I see sistermagpie beat me to it!

Doesn't hurt to repeat it though. Trump's lies and hypocrisy never get old. And started before he was even out of his teens.

I feel sorry for the Rockettes. Phoebe speaking out took courage though. It's an especially poor choice of entertainment--scantily clad women doing synchronized high kicks and other dance moves in a line for a man who bragged about assaulting women and loves to objectify and insult them.

"The Rockettes" doesn't even seem like a particularly suitable act for an inauguration. Unfortunately, when you have a boss, you're not free to say no. A public boycott of the show is about the only thing that would do it.

Edited December 23, 2016 by Padma

[kokapetl]

1 hour ago, stewedsquash said:

The alt left has been a moniker for some time, not just within Trump's campaign time. Here are some recent articles about or by the alt left. Moyer's is one of my go to leftie sites, Ordinary Gentlemen is my fix for my Libertarian leanings (one day maybe I can viably vote Libertarian, a gal can dream).

 Bill Moyers left view website (a place I frequent weekly):

http://billmoyers.com/

Article from the above website by Chris Faraone which was written right after the election. It isn't a whackadoo article:

http://billmoyers.com/story/now-word-alt-left/

From before the election 8/28:

http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/lets-take-a-look-at-the-alt-left/

Site that piqued my interest in the left, many moons ago:

http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/about/ 

Which in turn led me to this article last spring:

http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/2016/05/09/is-there-an-alt-left/

Which led me to this site:

https://altleft.com/  

The alt left has been around long before Hillary tried to label all Trump supports as alt right. When that didn't work she went with deplorables. I am an avid reader of all points of views and have found that in all parties there are different groups within each group. Some self labeled some are labeled by others. But enough on alt left labels, I have to go check Twitchy...

Wow, Rachel "It's happening" Maddow was gracious to Kellyanne on twitter and is taking heat for it. (sidenote, love how the commentator calls Kellyanne a badass for coming on the show):

http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2016/12/23/whoa-watch-rachel-maddow-thank-kellyanne-conway-for-coming-on-her-show-seriously-theres-video/

Wait, is today Friday? What am I doing here?? I haven't bought any Christmas presents yet! I gotta go people...

WND is not a reputable source of news. And that altleft.com website says it's the "left wing of the alt right". 

[galaxygirl76]

I'll be at Epcot on inauguration day,  the urge to drink around the world is getting bigger and bigger with everything that's coming out of his mouth/written on Twitter. 

[kokapetl]

I don't see why America needs more nuclear weapons. And since the Donald is super best friends with Russia, who is this arms race supposed to be with? The frogs?

America had 30,000 nuclear weapons in the sixties. It's also detonated approx 1,000 in testing.  You don't need any more. 

Edited December 23, 2016 by Kokapetl

[stillshimpy]

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WND is not a reputable source of news. And that altleft.com website says it's the "left wing of the alt right". 

S'all right, we already know that we're being gifted with made-up news, Kokapetl.  You can turn it into a drinking game.  "Hey, I wonder what outrageously untrue bullshit they've made up today on this fake news site?" only to preserve your actual life, it's best to set the rules at "only drink when you find something true".   This way you can be the designated driver over the holidays as you'll be stone-cold sober all the way through New Year's and beyond.  

If you decide to drink every time you find something patently absurd, it's really best to get your affairs in order before clicking, as your liver will almost certainly fail within the first hour.  That's if you're drinking wine coolers, anything harder than that and you'll be exploring the final frontier within 5-15 minutes, depending on your tolerance.  Those of us with Celtic ancestry will likely be exceptionally drunk, but alive and exceptionally belligerent by the one hour mark, so if you're Scottish, Irish, or Welsh, you may want to keep in mind the actual battle-cry of William Wallace, no, not frrreeeeedddoooom! but rather, "Ah'll make a belt outta ye!"  as that's actually what Wallace did to the dude that killed his wife.  He then wore it for the remainder of his life.  

See?  Those links are festive in that, "Oh hooray, disembowelment for my mind!" kind of way. 

Season's Greetings!!

[KerleyQ]

11 minutes ago, galaxygirl76 said:

I'll be at Epcot on inauguration day,  the urge to drink around the world is getting bigger and bigger with everything that's coming out of his mouth/written on Twitter. 

I'm jealous!  Spending a large portion of the day at that Margarita stand in Mexico seems like the perfect way to "celebrate" this hot mess.  Then go hit Soarin' Over the World to get ideas on where to move.  (Or, if you're feeling more morose, go hop on Mission: Space and puke up all that booze.  Because nothing honors his inauguration quite like vomiting.) 

[onthebrink03]

35 minutes ago, stillshimpy said:

Those of us with Celtic ancestry will likely be exceptionally drunk, but alive and exceptionally belligerent by the one hour mark, so if you're Scottish, Irish, or Welsh, you may want to keep in mind the actual battle-cry of William Wallace, no, not frrreeeeedddoooom! but rather, "Ah'll make a belt outta ye!"  as that's actually what Wallace did to the dude that killed his wife.  He then wore it for the remainder of his life.  

See?  Those links are festive in that, "Oh hooray, disembowelment for my mind!" kind of way. 

Season's Greetings!!

As my proud Glaswegian father used to say, after hours of steady drinking, hours of drunk singing and hours of reliving the Anglo-Scottish war in his head, "You can fight us but you cannae kill us".

Edited December 23, 2016 by onthebrink03

[Padma]

The "alt-left" makes no sense as a thing. The "far right" is fascism, neo-Nazis, white supremacists. They don't want to be called those things, hence, "alt-right".

The equivalent on the far left would be communists, not liberals. And the so-called liberal American "Left" would be "center" or even "center-right" in Europe.  Why would they need to be called "alt-left"? (And communists, unlike neo-Nazis, just own it because their views are pretty obvious for what they are anyway.)

The only reason to use "alt-left" in the U.S. when you really mean "liberal" or "liberal Democrat" is just to confuse your own rightwing supporters, create a false equivalence between liberals and white supremacists as opposite ends of the spectrum, and lob a gratuitous insult while you're at it. 

I'd be happy with using "white supremacist" for these people, but I guess they prefer "alt-right" since it doesn't tell you anything about their actual beliefs.

[kokapetl]

14 minutes ago, stillshimpy said:

S'all right, we already know that we're being gifted with made-up news, Kokapetl.  You can turn it into a drinking game.  "Hey, I wonder what outrageously untrue bullshit they've made up today on this fake news site?" only to preserve your actual life, it's best to set the rules at "only drink when you find something true".   This way you can be the designated driver over the holidays as you'll be stone-cold sober all the way through New Year's and beyond.  

If you decide to drink every time you find something patently absurd, it's really best to get your affairs in order before clicking, as your liver will almost certainly fail within the first hour.  That's if you're drinking wine coolers, anything harder than that and you'll be exploring the final frontier within 5-15 minutes, depending on your tolerance.  Those of us with Celtic ancestry will likely be exceptionally drunk, but alive and exceptionally belligerent by the one hour mark, so if you're Scottish, Irish, or Welsh, you may want to keep in mind the actual battle-cry of William Wallace, no, not frrreeeeedddoooom! but rather, "Ah'll make a belt outta ye!"  as that's actually what Wallace did to the dude that killed his wife.  He then wore it for the remainder of his life.  

See?  Those links are festive in that, "Oh hooray, disembowelment for my mind!" kind of way. 

Season's Greetings!!

I was already drunk! 

[KerleyQ]

2 minutes ago, Padma said:

 

The only reason to use "alt-left" in the U.S. when you really mean "liberal" or "liberal Democrat" is just to confuse your own rightwing supporters, create a false equivalence between liberals and white supremacists as opposite ends of the spectrum, and lob a gratuitous insult while you're at it. 

Exactly what I was going to say - it's a false equivalency to pretend that the liberals are just as bad as the white supremacists.  This entire election season has been ruled by the false equivalency.  You'd think that, if the white supremacists aren't ashamed of their behavior and beliefs, they wouldn't need to keep trying to create these false equivalencies to prop themselves up.  Could it be that they know they're shitty human beings and they need to try to bring everyone else down to their level?  

[AntiBeeSpray]

11 hours ago, ruby24 said:

The Rockettes are being forced to perform at this asshole's inauguration against their will! They are being strong-armed by their union and  threatened with termination. We should all email the producers directly. I've already done so.

That's sick! Just read the article via Vulture. I heard that they had to do so at the Bush one. I wonder if that was against their will as well.

Source: vulture.com

[rallymantis]

I've been seeing the "Bake the cake/Cake bitch!" meme all over the interwebs today.

Because you shouldn't get to refuse service based on your religious/political beliefs.

Right, Rockettes?  Or is it "Different!" because it's what *you* believe?

[MulletorHater]

2 hours ago, backformore said:

so early this morning, Trump is tweeting about the "possible conflict of interest"

No, nobody is saying he can't contribute to charity - only that he cannot tie donations to a promise of an audience with the president.   soliciting donations to his foundation with the promise of meeting the Trump family IS a conflict of interest. 

Here's an idea - how about if Eric donates some of his own money?  or puts someone else in charge of the foundation and only accept anonymous donations? 

Poor Uday.  If I had hemorrhoids, my piles would be bleeding for him right about now.

 Imagine someone telling the poor Drumpfs that one cannot always do whatever the fuck one wants!  Proof positive that the Tangerine Turd is a sociopath who will use any and everyone--including sick children--to get his way.  How about verifying that this particular "foundation" is actually certified to accept funds since that seems to be a problem with charitable organizations tied to this crime fambly.  I would also demand to see previous years' financial reports to see how much of the  funds raised are actually distributed to the intended recipients versus "administrative costs" (i.e. Portraits of Drumpf, etc.)

I wouldn't trust these motherfuckers to sell Girl Scout cookies.

[Padma]

15 minutes ago, rallymantis said:

I've been seeing the "Bake the cake/Cake bitch!" meme all over the interwebs today.

Because you shouldn't get to refuse service based on your religious/political beliefs.

Right, Rockettes?  Or is it "Different!" because it's what *you* believe?

False equivalence.  Their job is performing at Radio City Music Hall.  If they refused to let Trump come to a performance, THAT would be like "not baking a cake for a gay couple".

Being forced to performing at the inauguration because their boss is a Trump supporter would be more like telling the cake store employees that "for this special gay wedding, you're all going to have to attend and personally serve cake to all the guests".

I'm tired of the right's false equivalences when they're criticized. It's predictable, but annoying.

[stillshimpy]

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Right, Rockettes?  Or is it "Different!" because it's what *you* believe?

Yes, yes it is wildly different, as a matter of fact.  For one thing, she isn't attempting to hide behind religious intolerance to justify bigotry and discrimination in order to break the law.  She's not even saying she won't perform <---- ahoy!  A very key difference! Why one might even be moved to say, it's the antithesis of what you're citing and would be accurate in doing so, no less.  What she is saying, and the thing that people are saying is that she's not happy about it.

Plus, Mike Pence and his twisted mind and other stunted parts, supports a torturous form of conversion therapy for people who are gay, so she's actually objecting to human rights violations as opposed to citing, "I misunderstand the basic tenets of Christianity and for some reason don't get that citing Leviticus as biblical proof is positively risible for the people who seem to live on bacon, but that is neither here nor there, also, totally fucking missed the memo about how it isn't my place to judge anyone! Woooooo! Discrimination!!"  as a reason she doesn't wish to do something....which she plans on doing....unhappily, but at no point does she say, "Not gonna! Wah! The lord!"  

So those are a few key differences.  The other would be, again, sort of importantly, it's a democracy, she's allowed to disagree with that Goldplated Jackass's .....everything. 

Edited December 23, 2016 by stillshimpy

[NewDigs]

Gawd. He looks (even more) freaking unhinged when he can't finish a "thought" in one Tweet.