S08.E22: Reunion Part 2

[HunterHunted]

The recap was almost certainly written by Brian Moylan. It reads just like him. And he HATES recapping reunions.

[TomGirl]

Bethenney is on WWHL right now, and I've never seen her look more unattractive.

Edited September 8, 2016 by TomGirl

[Sheenieb]

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Who cares how many times this one dated Tom and how many time that one slept with Tom?  These women are in their 50's, they need to stop acting like they're sixteen!

Say it for the ones in the cheap seats! I still don't care about Tom and Sonja. Tom is a fuckboy for sure, but now that it's come out that Sonja slept with him only five times in 10 years, that further demotes her claims that they were 'lovers.' Girl, Tom was just a glorified booty call. I'm upset that no one can communicate that properly.

My wish for Luann is that she realizes that Tom ain't shit and calls off the engagement. I get that dating can be the pits. It's hard getting back into the game, but she can do bad all by herself. Being alone doesn't mean lonely. It's best to be by yourself than deal with some dude who doesn't put respeck on your name or your relationship.

Edited September 8, 2016 by Sheenieb

[Neeners]

Just now, TomGirl said:

Bethenney isn't on WWHL right now, and I've never seen her look more unattractive.

I was just getting ready to come in here and say that her hair looked like crap and she really needed to copy Luanne better.

[Petunia13]

It's showing favoritism to have her on WWHL so Beth can continue to spin her crap and get jabs in & the other HW can't defend themselves. 

[islandgal140]

Over a ten year period, Sonja and Tom only slept together 5 times? That ain't a lover girl. That is a biennial dick in a box - open in case of emergency.

Round 2 of the reunion goes to Dorinda. She read, gathered, collated and filed both Bethenny and Carole into the "Bitches, I ain't the One" annals this evening. I bet their asses with think first before coming for Dorinda without an invitation. I applaud this so wholeheartedly I can't even find the words to express it. I love the way she put on her Superwoman cape for Jules and went hard. Loved it!  She stood firm in her word tonight. Lawd, how I hate a back peddling, waffling HW who quavers and oscillates with the wind. So I am loving me some Dorinda right about now. She told Carole and B they were especially mean and had ill feelings in dealing with Jules and she could not be moved. YAS QUEEN!

I think Dorinda hit a vein. Miss only 5 good summers left is sensitive about her age. BWAHH! If she keeps riding them bike handle bars, she might have 5 summers left, but only 1 good hip.

Who the pluck films themselves going through their old empty marital apartment crying and being extra and than brings it to the reunion to show? Bethenny the ever parched - that's who!

We still pretending that Jules eat disordering is all about B's lupine mom like B hasn't admitted to disordered eating in the past? We still doing that?

It is one thing to thing to scratch your head over whether Jules is indeed keeping kosher. It is another to call her a bad Jew and a bad example for Jews on national tv when your ass ain't Jewish yourself B. 

Jules done good tonight. 

Ramona's evidence is a photo of the heart Tom drew on her hand? Please remain seated Ramona. That added no value to anything and made you look dumb for capturing the image for one and for 2, letting it continue to eat up your phone memory by failing to send that mess into the trash bin.

I want to move on from the topic of Tom. I feel like it has already been exhausted to death and I can no longer care. Frankly, after the age of 50 girl code is dead. Asses ain't even mid life anymore. It is every man and woman for themselves. 

Lu is just embarrassing now. I still dislike B and how she has treated Lu this season but Lu is just being willfully blind and deaf and I can see and hear the train derailing off the track down yonder when it comes to that marriage. 

This needs repeating - Jules is so freaking beautiful.

Did anyone else hear B mutter to Dorinda that she didn't do Jules any favor by encouraging her to confront B? Yup! That girl is as good as gone.

Did they run out of pigmented lipstick on the island of Manhattan? All these nude lips are terrible and does no one any favors.

Edited September 8, 2016 by islandgal140

[Neeners]

And how many times has Bethenny been on WWHL this season?

[AnnaMayWong]

I was more disgusted by Andy's cackling at LuAnn than the wretched heckling babbled by those to his left-- Bitch #1, Bitch #2, and Bitch #3.

 

Sonja, please. Just stop. STOP❗

 

LuAnn: disengage--from the rank goading and from Tom

[Mrs peel]

1 hour ago, Sai said:

They care because Tom is lying to Lu's face and they keep trying to tell her that but instead of listening she's calling Sonja and Ramona liars and delusional.  I mean, his lies are so transparent.  But you know what, they tried, she's decided not to listen so now after the reunion they should just drop it and let her do as she wishes and marry the scum.  She'll be sorry she chose that cheating lying ass over her good friend Sonja.  She was being really mean to Sonja, IMO.  

 

Just when I thought I couldn't like Bethenny any more than I already do she goes and makes me despise her even more.  She is horrible and Luann was right, Bethenny is evil.  I can't believe I used to like her

Well, Lu is believing the guy she is going to marry, over 2 people who have also lied (mis-remembered?). Ramona said she dated Tom 7 times, then it was 4-5, then at the reunion she seemed to be claiming 5 times, including what I thought was new info that she "ran into" B on her third date.  Hands up to anyone who thinks (1) Ranoma and B just happened to be on dates at the same restaurant the same night? (2) any guy, having met Ramona on a Monday, would go out with her the very next night, and maybe the night after? 

Never mind that the "long term romance" of Tom and Sonja now turns out to be having sex 5 times over 10 years??  I am thinking Sonja was too drunk to remember if she had sex or he put her to bed.  And Sonja, if you did have sex with him5 times in 10 years, even though you say you went out often (in groups? Or just saw each other at events?), I wouldn't be too proud of that - at best this means there were very few times when wanted to have sex but couldn't find anyone else readily available. 

now, Lu did herself no favors in her explanation, but then again explaining she believes Tom over Sonja because Sonja has proved herself delusional many times (parties with John-John anyone) would have been considered mean - though probably incepredibly accurate.

B can stop with the hysterical crying over her old apartment.  Or she is starting menopause, and needs some medication.  She can also stop claiming it is only her mother who had an eating disorder in that family.  

Carole, STFU!  That is all the mention you deserve.

dorinda claiming she won't meddle in future was funny, and I predict that clip will be shown at next year's reunion when discussing her meddling.

Edited September 8, 2016 by Mrs peel

[mbaywife123]

Blahdety blah blah blah is all I got from this 2nd reunion episode.

Jules and Dorinda were the only voices I heard clearly.

[islandgal140]

LOL! Bethenny's new man thought her Berkshires behavior was cute and funny. We will see how hard his ass is laughing when she turns all her meanness, vitriol and acerbic tongue on him and dismembers him. It ain't a question of if, only when.

[Knuckles]

Dorinda for the win...telling Carole she was old enough to be Jules' mom. And it's true. The only ones making age shaming comments are Bethy and Carole...both under the delusion that they are still younger than springtime. And no, Carole, you are not in the same generation as Jules. With an 18 year age difference, Jules is in an entirely different cohort. Being well past 50 myself, you gotta love it. Most of the crazy is behind you, and finally, you have a sense of who you are and what you love. 

Bethy thinks reunion means show and tell...after her phone call with some ditz claiming to be her lover's daughter, she has a little video of herself crying over some empty apartment. Yeah, very moving.Probably remembering all the good times screaming at Jason. She probably misses the divorce...four years of endless fighting, what could be better for our Beth.

Jules is just gorgeous...and she presented herself with dignity. Loved Dorinda standing for her as well. 

Ramona is a geriatric adolescent. Her evidence is some initials she wrote on her palm?? Is this being filmed in a mental ward?

And Sonja...STFU. If you want more than a hook-up, then change your game plan. 

Lu is actually having a life...whether anyone approves or not...good for her. Carole, Sonja and Ramona got nothing. Bethy is just her ugly self. Dorinda would be fun to know, and Jules is doing fine.

[ryebread]

24 minutes ago, chick binewski said:

I might be more respectful of B's decision to end her marriage if she curbed the continuous Jason-bashing.

You mean the guy she referred to as the Bamboozler in the Fiesta epi?  She said Ramona had a guy who ran off with 20 year old, Luann has a cheesy mail order fiancé, Dorinda has a sweaty dry cleaner, and she, Bethenny has a bamboozler.  I assumed she was talking about Jason "Baby Daddy" Hoppy. 

On second thought, maybe she was talking about Dennis "Shield Thyself but not Thy Daughter" Shields.

I know I sound all judgey but I seriously can't respect anybody who would date her. 

[AnnaMayWong]

 Bethenny has imbibed more than a snootful of egoism, become drunken with curiously baseless spite, vomited wild somewhat demented accusations, and exhibited a form akin to delirium tremens by seeing nemeses everywhere... desperate to be worshipped as some semblance of a 'god-thing'.  

For Bethenney™,  this is all a stage. She is but a walking shadow; a narcissistic character that struts and frets her hour upon this BRAVO stage. Unfortunately, we will hear much more. Lately, playing the cruel idiot, SHE is full of sound and fury signifying (absolutely) nothing.    ?   ✨

[Petunia13]

What did Beth call her excuse for Botox? TMG...TMZ? 

If you're gonna lie about how your jaw was shaved please remember the right medical condition Frankenstein. You see I knew someone who had this as a child so when she so selfishly has it that's difficult for me. I find it triggering whilst simultaneously giving zero fucks. 

[beaker73]

27 minutes ago, Neeners said:

And how many times has Bethenny been on WWHL this season?

About as many times as Sonja fucked Tom.  

[breezy424]

1 minute ago, Petunia13 said:

What did Beth call her excuse for Botox? TMG...TMZ? 

If you're gonna lie about how your jaw was shaved please remember the right medical condition Frankenstein. You see I knew someone who had this as a child so when she so selfishly has it that's difficult for me. I find it triggering whilst simultaneously giving zero fucks. 

LOL.  She said TMG.  I rewinded it to hear it again.  I don't know if she had her jaw shaved but I do know the know it all doesn't apparently know it all.

[QuinnM]

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u're gonna lie about how your jaw was shaved please remember the right medical condition Frankenstein

Dang, sorry you missed the  forum CSI investigation on this. Google Botox and tmj. The pictures are really something. And it does validate what she's saying.  Plus you can wade through all these millions of posts and find the links people found. It's amazing. 

[Petunia13]

No @QuinnM I didn't miss it.  I think she's a liar. And that she looked stupid not knowing the term. 

(And that the pics are photoshopped/ inaccurate. Like most other ads, esp ones promising miraculous results and selling something) it is seldom I believe everything I read or see . 

[BananaRama]

1 hour ago, Thumper said:

Did Sonja say she slept with Tom only 5 times in 10 years???!  Not even Friends with Benefits, IMO.  That's a "no" to your claims, Sonja.

So true!  By the way she was carrying on... referring to Tom as her lover and crying on Ramona's shoulder...I got the impression that their love story was supposed to be epic.  Sonja wasn't much more than a last ditch booty call to Tom.  And they say that Luann is delusional.  With that being said, I really feel sorry for Sonja and like her a lot.  She is like a puppy that just wants to be liked and keeps getting kicked.  I want her to find the right business venture and I want her to be in a happy and healthy relationship.

[Showthyme]

LuAnn would be able to see Tom's cheating ways more clearly if he had not been with Sonja or Ramona. Lu is busy deflecting these two instead of focusing on the Playmate.

This could have been Sonja and Ramona's last season were it not for Lu's engagement. They owe her a royalty.

Jules made the best comments at the Reunion. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

8 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Not a defense of Bethenny, the China shop bull, but we on this board remarked that Jules' approach and explanation of her Judaism was weird and confusing, especially because she described it as keeping kosher. I think we ultimately decided that it was kosh-ish or kosherish or kosher lite. There were things she said and did that not only weren't kosher, but weren't really consistent with Judaism. Even though I don't particularly like Siggy Flicker, I loved how she said that she didn't want her kids to be the most observant super Jews. She just wants her kids to know and appreciate their traditions. I think that's a better way frame to frame the Wainstein's loose approach to keeping kosher. And I think Jules may have framed it like that initially, but the show focused on her wacky approach to her traditions.

A lot of people have their own definition of how they keep Kosher.  I see nothing wrong with that.  But Bethenny said something I found EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE.  She said Jules was not representative of being Jewish.  First off, FUCK YOU, BETHENNY for saying such a vile thing!  It's bigoted crap.  Sure, you can say anything you want.  And you can also be a vile bigot too.  Oh, but you'll own it & try to explain it away, eh, Bethenny?  Don't even try, you vile, evil monster.  Jules never said she was representing anyone other than herself.  

OK, I wasn't thrilled with Jules' age jokes.  But according to Bethenny, because Jules made a few age jokes, that was her justification for mocking Jules' ED's?  Um, NO, that doesn't fly, Bethenny, you vile, evil monster!  And because Bethenny's mother may have suffered from ED's, that also gave her justification to mock Jules' ED's?  NO, it doesn't, Bethenny, you vile, evil monster!

So when anyone brought up to Bethenny all the crap she threw at Jules (about her marriage or her ED's) -- and there was a shit-ton of it, in what seemed like a zillion of her TH's, she actually wanted specific examples.  HA!  Bethenny actually wanted specific examples of her BILLIONS of cruel & horrible comments on Jules' marriage & ED's throughout the season?  Really?  Seriously?  Ah, well, that's oh-so-easy to provide, Frankelstein monster!  I loved how both Jules AND Dorinda were able & more than ready to bring up many examples.  You truly are an evil piece of shit, Bethenny.  You were this way throughout the season & you kept it up at this reunion.  I give you credit for your consistency in being vile, evil & horrible, Bethenny.

Carole, Carole, Carole.  Maybe Dorinda won't bring up your dead husband, but I will.  So Carole, do you think Anthony would approve of the cold cruel piece of shit you've turned into, becoming the yes-woman/fembot sidekick to the Frankelstein monster?  Oh Carole, has the Frankelstein monster taken possession of your soul?  Because you are now every bit as vile as Bethenny.  The only other reason I can think of why you'd sink yourself into the depths of cruelty, bitterness & hell which Bethenny resides in is you're desperate for the Bravo dough since your writing career has crapped out.  Should we feel deeply sorry for you, Carole?  What an awful fate -- to have to be Bethenny's only friend.  Shivering, shaking, shuddering & cringing at the thought of being Bethenny's friend.  Eek & ew.

As far as being able to give it, but not being able to take it?  Well, if you really don't know you are this way, Bethenny, lemme tell ya, hun -- YA ARE!!!!!!!!!!!

Hate to tell you, Carole, but Jules is from a different generation than you -- as is Adam.  In denial much, Carole?

Edited September 8, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[QuinnM]

Wow, @Petunia13. Sorry, didn't mean to offend.  I think the pictures and the articles about it backed up the claim. Not everything posted was an ad. One was a med journal piece.  And some of those pics are board certified physicians and they lose their license for misrepresentation (unlike spas). So it convinced me. 

Edited September 8, 2016 by QuinnM
Bad typing skills

[breezy424]

Loving the posts.

Winner of the night:  It's a tie between Jules and Dorinda.

Best lines:  Lu saying to Carole when Carole interrupts her - what are you blabbering about?  Jules to Beth - what is wrong with you?  Sonja in response to Andy's question about how many times she had sex with Tom in ten years - five.

Most stupid and desperate attempt at a put down - Beth saying that Jules isn't representing Jews.  Did Jules say she was?

Worst crying attempt:  phone video of Beth going back to her old apartment.

Best zinger:  Dorinda saying to Carole she's old enough to be Jules' mother.

Most stupid revelation of 'evidence':  Ro pulling out the picture and some article.  Beth still wins overall for calling her boyfriend's daughter.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Lu had just said Tom understated how many times he was with Yo and how many times he 'dated' Ro but she doesn't care and she's still marrying him.  I kinda of wished she did that because they wouldn't have a response.  Lu didn't handle the attack as well as she could have.

Ya know, some people remember every detail on certain things about dating and relationships.  Some people don't and I can get this because I'm that kind of person.  I just don't get caught up in 'details' on certain stuff.  I wouldn't be surprised if Tom actually didn't remember how many times he went out with Ro.  Heck, even Ro keeps changing the number.  Sonja now says five times in ten years.  So much for a 'lover'.  And heck, So was still with Mr. Morgan ten years ago.  So much for So who doesn't lie.  Bottom line for me is that the reasons for Beth, Ro, So, and Carole getting so caught up in minutia is so high school.  They're not concerned about Lu.  They want to 'get' Lu.  And that includes Ro with her I just care about you statement.  Um, you had no problem outing Lu's daughter's video.  So much about caring..... 

And then we have Beth's response to Jules saying that Beth did talk about her ED.  Beth declares she didn't and when Jules replied with the times Beth did, Beth spun it into her allowing to have her feelings.  Um, sorry Beth, you still did talk about it and no one called you out after that response.  Too bad.

And yeah, Beth did downplay her fibroid story.  She doesn't have a mom.  Who's fault is that?  That whole segment was about the 'special snowflake' who thinks that everyone else lives in this perfect family fantasy world except her.  And she can say whatever she wants about her family but they can't say anything about her. 

[ivygirl]

37 minutes ago, BookElitist said:

 Bethenny has imbibed more than a snootful of egoism, become drunken with curiously baseless spite, vomited wild somewhat demented accusations, and exhibited a form akin to delirium tremens by seeing nemeses everywhere... desperate to be worshipped as some semblance of a 'god-thing'.  

For Bethenney™,  this is all a stage. She is but a walking shadow; a narcissistic character that struts and frets her hour upon this BRAVO stage. Unfortunately, we will hear much more. Lately, playing the cruel idiot, SHE is full of sound and fury signifying (absolutely) nothing.    ?   ✨

Yes. Everything B does looks, sounds, and feels so phony baloney and ridiculous. And she IS awful. When Dorinda told B to back off re: Jules' divorce, did B really say, "Andy asked Jules a question, and I answered!" Or did I mishear that? Because if she did say that, hoo boy. 

And Carole came across so mean and catty. She IS a mean girl now.

Jules FTW, with Dorinda a close second.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, islandgal140 said:

Over a ten year period, Sonja and Tom only slept together 5 times? That ain't a lover girl. That is a biennial dick in a box - open in case of emergency.

Round 2 of the reunion goes to Dorinda. She read, gathered, collated and filed both Bethenny and Carole into the "Bitches, I ain't the One" annals this evening. I bet their asses with think first before coming for Dorinda without an invitation. I applaud this so wholeheartedly I can't even find the words to express it. I love the way she put on her Superwoman cape for Jules and went hard. Loved it!  She stood firm in her word tonight. Lawd, how I hate a back peddling, waffling HW who quavers and oscillates with the wind. So I am loving me some Dorinda right about now. She told Carole and B they were especially mean and had ill feelings in dealing with Jules and she could not be moved. YAS QUEEN!

I think Dorinda hit a vein. Miss only 5 good summers left is sensitive about her age. BWAHH! If she keeps riding them bike handle bars, she might have 5 summers left, but only 1 good hip.

Who the pluck films themselves going through their old empty marital apartment crying and being extra and than brings it to the reunion to show? Bethenny the ever parched - that's who!

We still pretending that Jules eat disordering is all about B's lupine mom like B hasn't admitted to disordered eating in the past? We still doing that?

It is one thing to thing to scratch your head over whether Jules is indeed keeping kosher. It is another to call her a bad Jew and a bad example for Jews on national tv when your ass ain't Jewish yourself B. 

Jules done good tonight. 

Ramona's evidence is a photo of the heart Tom drew on her hand? Please remain seated Ramona. That added no value to anything and made you look dumb for capturing the image for one and for 2, letting it continue to eat up your phone memory by failing to send that mess into the trash bin.

I want to move on from the topic of Tom. I feel like it has already been exhausted to death and I can no longer care. Frankly, after the age of 50 girl code is dead. Asses ain't even mid life anymore. It is every man and woman for themselves. 

Lu is just embarrassing now. I still dislike B and how she has treated Lu this season but Lu is just being willfully blind and deaf and I can see and hear the train derailing off the track down yonder when it comes to that marriage. 

This needs repeating - Jules is so freaking beautiful.

Did anyone else hear B mutter to Dorinda that she didn't do Jules any favor by encouraging her to confront B? Yup! That girl is as good as gone.

Did they run out of pigmented lipstick on the island of Manhattan? All these nude lips are terrible and does no one any favors.

Bethenny kept that attack going on WWHL tonight. She gave more examples of how Jules is a bad example of a Jewish woman. They included the fact that Jules said it didn't matter if they got their kids to school on time as long as the school got their money was 1 of her examples, and the Jules talked about money was another example. LOL

Now why, if Ramona had that photo of the heart Tom drew on her hand, didn't she show it to Luann when she first told her about it? Why wait until the reunion to show it to her? Maybe because that "heart" was actually drawn by him and that it was done right before the reunion by someone else! LOL

[ScoobieDoobs]

So Bethenny, you're saying to us that Dennis Shields was laughing at your cruel, nasty comments about Jules' marriage & ED's?  Really?  This is what you want us to buy?  OK, so you're telling us Dennis is as much of an asshole as you are, Bethenny, is that it?  Sounds like a match made in hell.

Alrighty, if he knows what he's getting in you, Bethenny (and I suspect he has no clue yet), then he deserves the nightmare ahead of him.  Idk, I'd like to think nobody deserves such an awful fate as being a partner to her.

Btw, did she mention something about humor & jokes failing?  All I know is I didn't laugh at anything she said.  Still horrified by her.  Sense of humor?  Still non-existent.  Her vile & horrible comments are in full force tho.

Satan Andy, make yourself useful & tell Carole to STFU, will ya?

Edited September 8, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[BananaRama]

I don't like Luann.  Since season 1, I have always thought of her as being a paradox - she's a trashy countess.  However, Luann is right, she and Tom are adults and if they want to get married then they should.  She is ignoring the fact possibility that marrying him is a big mistake but she has dug herself into such a deep hole ("He's my SOULMATE!!!") that she is afraid of looking like a fool or worse ... having Ramona and Bethenney scream in her face "Told you so!"  IMO she should call off the wedding, shut down the I-told-you-soers by agreeing with them "You guys were right...he is a pig", and play the sympathy card "I was blinded by love.  I was so lonely and he was nice to me and told me that he loved me."  Ramona, Sonja, Carole and Bethenney would look like total assholes if they beat her up when she is nursing a broken heart.

[zoeysmom]

3 minutes ago, BananaRama said:

I don't like Luann.  Since season 1, I have always thought of her as being a paradox - she's a trashy countess.  However, Luann is right, she and Tom are adults and if they want to get married then they should.  She is ignoring the fact possibility that marrying him is a big mistake but she has dug herself into such a deep hole ("He's my SOULMATE!!!") that she is afraid of looking like a fool or worse ... having Ramona and Bethenney scream in her face "Told you so!"  IMO she should call off the wedding, shut down the I-told-you-soers by agreeing with them "You guys were right...he is a pig", and play the sympathy card "I was blinded by love.  I was so lonely and he was nice to me and told me that he loved me."  Ramona, Sonja, Carole and Bethenney would look like total assholes if they beat her up when she is nursing a broken heart.

So Luann should stop loving someone for sympathy?  Nuts.

[HunterHunted]

@ScoobieDoobs I thought Bethenny calling Jules a bad Jew was beyond the pale. As Bethenny was excoriating Jules, I actually said "Thanks for your insight Rabbi Frankel, child psychologist." I think it was the most obnoxious thing she's done all season. Her Berkshires explosion was bad, but calling Jules a bad mother and bad Jew is not forgivable. This might be the most disgusting thing she's ever done. 

My point was Jules is trying to teach her children about their culture. They're not really keeping kosher and maybe they could call it something else. Something funny and cute. She could have said "my family keeps a skosh kosh." I just learned that the word "skosh" derives from Japanese making it the perfect catchphrase for Jules.

I get it. I have friends who are kosher-ish. They don't eat shellfish or pork unless it's pepperoni and freely have dairy with meat. I felt like Jules calling what they do in her house kosher might irritate people who actually keep kosher and confuse people who aren't really familiar with Judaism.

[Celia Rubenstein]

Wow.  Half an hour in on the west coast and Bethenny and her lap dog Carol are looking like shit.

Jules just owned Beth when it came to the eating disorder thing.  The fact that Beth has a hang-up about it is her fucking problem, don't lay your inability to deal with it on Jules.  Take that shit up with your mother when you take Bryn to visit. You can't be around people who don't eat enough, seriously?  Then stay home until you learn how to not make innocent people suffer for your personal traumas.   Dorinda did a great job of explaining just why Bethenny needed to STFU.  And Jules showed a lot of restraint.  I was impressed.

And saying Jules was bad for the Jews, lmao.  Who the hell is she to judge?  Go look in the mirror is all I have to say when it comes to this particular subject, Beth.  Defending how she and Carole were so snide and mocking when they visited her place as being just girlfriend snark that is perfectly acceptable says a lot about their view of women and friendship.  And none of it good.

I just loved how Dorinda nailed Carole about being Bethenny's little handmaid.  She soooo had it coming. 

Luann should really take notes from Jules and Dorinda on how to handle Bethenny and Carole.  They were open and honest and vulnerable and they stuck to the high road.  And had their receipts.  That's how you do it, Luann, that's how you do it.

[WireWrap]

15 minutes ago, BananaRama said:

I don't like Luann.  Since season 1, I have always thought of her as being a paradox - she's a trashy countess.  However, Luann is right, she and Tom are adults and if they want to get married then they should.  She is ignoring the fact possibility that marrying him is a big mistake but she has dug herself into such a deep hole ("He's my SOULMATE!!!") that she is afraid of looking like a fool or worse ... having Ramona and Bethenney scream in her face "Told you so!"  IMO she should call off the wedding, shut down the I-told-you-soers by agreeing with them "You guys were right...he is a pig", and play the sympathy card "I was blinded by love.  I was so lonely and he was nice to me and told me that he loved me."  Ramona, Sonja, Carole and Bethenney would look like total assholes if they beat her up when she is nursing a broken heart.

I would bet my last dollar that if Luann did as you suggest, Bethenny, Carole and Ramona would all cry "Fake", "Luann faked the relationship for a storyline for the show" as loud as their shrill voices can get.

[BananaRama]

5 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

So Luann should stop loving someone for sympathy?  Nuts.

No, I think she genuinely loves Tom and she couldn't stop loving him that easily.  What I think I am trying to say is that if she changes her mind and gives in to all the pressure and decides to not marry him, she can stop the others from rubbing it in her face by letting everyone know that she is heartbroken and anything bad that they have to say about Tom will just hurt her more.

[WireWrap]

1 minute ago, BananaRama said:

No, I think she genuinely loves Tom and she couldn't stop loving him that easily.  What I think I am trying to say is that if she changes her mind and gives in to all the pressure and decides to not marry him, she can stop the others from rubbing it in her face by letting everyone know that she is heartbroken and anything bad that they have to say about Tom will just hurt her more.

She will hear "We told you so" over and over again. That group of harpies will never let it go, no matter if Luann/Tom get married then divorce, break up before the wedding or marry and live happily ever after, they will never let this go.....ever. Remember, Bethenny "Knows it ALL"! LOL

[ScoobieDoobs]

17 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Bethenny kept that attack going on WWHL tonight. She gave more examples of how Jules is a bad example of a Jewish woman. They included the fact that Jules said it didn't matter if they got their kids to school on time as long as the school got their money was 1 of her examples, and the Jules talked about money was another example. LOL

Now why, if Ramona had that photo of the heart Tom drew on her hand, didn't she show it to Luann when she first told her about it? Why wait until the reunion to show it to her? Maybe because that "heart" was actually drawn by him and that it was done right before the reunion by someone else! LOL

I just didn't have the stomach to watch WWHL because I had enough of Bethenny's horribleness for one night, so thanks for sharing.  Look, there were definitely some comments from Jules over the season where she sounded rather snotty.  I attributed these comments to her being young & stupid & not knowing better.  I figured she'll learn the hard way if she actually was doing any of this stuff, and it would probably blow back in her face.  She seemed to hint tonight this was her sense of humor.  Really?  Maybe, maybe not.  Sounded to me like she didn't seem concerned about her kids being late to school or sending her nanny to sample sales, so I'm not believing her that she was kidding about this stuff. 

Connecting any of this to her being a "bad" Jew or not being representative of Jews?  Seriously, what the what?  Where, how & why does Bethenny make this leap?  My guess is Bethenny knows how out of line she was with Jules this season & she's deflecting -- obviously & desperately.  Will it work?  Jules was right at the reunion when Bethenny started spouting this bullshit.  It makes her look awful.  It makes her look like a bigot.  That she repeated it on WWHL wasn't a smart move.  Next to happen (yawn cuz it's just so predictable) is Carole will agree with this nonsense on her Twitter.  I'm really starting to think Bethenny installed an evil Frankelstein monster chip inside Carole & she has been re-programmed.

Edited September 8, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[zoeysmom]

6 minutes ago, BananaRama said:

No, I think she genuinely loves Tom and she couldn't stop loving him that easily.  What I think I am trying to say is that if she changes her mind and gives in to all the pressure and decides to not marry him, she can stop the others from rubbing it in her face by letting everyone know that she is heartbroken and anything bad that they have to say about Tom will just hurt her more.

Better. But this crew doesn't roll that way.

[izabella]

1 hour ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Hate to tell you, Carole, but Jules is from a different generation than you -- as is Adam.  In denial much, Carole?

Jules and Adam are much closer in age than Carole is to either of them.

[zoeysmom]

The most glaring example of Sonja being delusional was her comment about wanting to go to the engagement party and FLIRT with Tom and he was so uncomfortable,  Sonja you are not suppose to FLIRT with the groom.  Of course he was uncomfortable you were dressed in a ridiculous dress with your breasts hanging out with the entire room knowing the history between the two of you.

I think Tom was pretty clear with Sonja and it wasn't blackmail, it was notice that she was welcome at the wedding but park the dramatics.  No couple should have to worry about a well-wisher who has repeatedly misrepresented a relationship with the groom, if not inviting her is the solution so be it.  What outrageous thing will she say next?  Will she expect the first dance with the groom?  Or maybe the bride?

Sonja claims to have banged him five times in 10 years.  How does that constitute a lover?  Sonja need s to come to grips with grown up terms-she was a piece of ass or he was a piece of ass.  To keep trying to crap on your friend's relationship with these delusional claims does her no favors.  I noticed there was deafening silence from the Bethenny couch as Andy counted down the numbers.  Not one person called her out. 

[Knuckles]

That clip of Bethy and Carole just ditching Jules after visiting her home was despicable and mirrors their behavior at Dorinda's house. Neither of them have any manners...they are a perfectly trashy pair.

I just don't think Carole is very bright. And I do think that her book was ghostwritten...she simply does not use language well. Her blog is full of grammatical mistakes and witless retorts. And that scene with her former editor was telling...she just doesn't have feel for the style or rhythm of good writing. Aviva was right on that one...it was a "as told to" book effort. Someone edited and polished her memories...and took the cash to forgo a byline.

I wish someone clever would make a gif of Bethy rolling her eyeballs...she did that a zillion times. I guess she figures Adderall is a scrip drug and that leaves her in the clear. And Dennis thinks her foul-mouthed rampages are funny...marriage to Bethy should be a laugh-riot.

[yourmomiseasy]

52 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Bethenny kept that attack going on WWHL tonight. She gave more examples of how Jules is a bad example of a Jewish woman. They included the fact that Jules said it didn't matter if they got their kids to school on time as long as the school got their money was 1 of her examples, and the Jules talked about money was another example. LOL

Now why, if Ramona had that photo of the heart Tom drew on her hand, didn't she show it to Luann when she first told her about it? Why wait until the reunion to show it to her? Maybe because that "heart" was actually drawn by him and that it was done right before the reunion by someone else! LOL

So basically Bethenny equates having money to being Jewish in her bigoted head because all of the examples she gave of Jules being a bad Jew had to do with money and how Jules relates to it.

[WireWrap]

3 minutes ago, yourmomiseasy said:

So basically Bethenny equates having money to being Jewish in her bigoted head because all of the examples she gave of Jules being a bad Jew had to do with money and how Jules relates to it.

I think she was trying to say that Jewish people don't talk about money! It was a ridiculous statement made by a ridiculous idiot with a gutter mouth.

[izabella]

10 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

he most glaring example of Sonja being delusional was her comment about wanting to go to the engagement party and FLIRT with Tom and he was so uncomfortable,  Sonja you are not suppose to FLIRT with the groom.  Of course he was uncomfortable you were dressed in a ridiculous dress with your breasts hanging out with the entire room knowing the history between the two of you.

I heard her say that, too!  It was hard to catch it with all the over talking, but she was definitely thinking she'd show up to Lu's engagement party and flirt with Tom.  And what made everything awkward was that Tom didn't flirt with her.  No, it had nothing to do with the awkward dress, boobs served up on a plate, pursed lips, nor delusional expectations.

[WireWrap]

Here is a pretty accurate recap of Bethenny on WWHL tonight! http://tamaratattles.com/2016/09/08/wwhl-with-bethenny-frankel-i-thought-i-was-in-poor-taste/#more-23062

[biakbiak]

I love that when Sonja admitted that it was at most five times she had been with Tom and she, is a known exaggerator so I am saying it was sex twice and she blew him once, it took the wind out of the Bethanny couch because they had all blew it up into something that it clearly never was and gone along with her needing to "process" the loss of her relationship.

Edited September 8, 2016 by biakbiak

[tenativelyyours]

Dorinda and Jules were both on point. 

I think the problem for me is that nothing Luann can do will convince me she is invested in being married again and not invested in Tom himself other than the means to what she thinks is married secure comfort.  I also think she is like many of us in that she has a hard time admitting she is wrong.  So she can't see past the fact she is wrong about Tom has been tied into being wrong to the Monster, the Mule and the Drunksy Twins.  The thing is Tom is two things here.  Tom is the man who did Luann wrong and Tom is the vehicle in which the harpies are trying to find a firm roost on Odysseus's ship.  If Luann can stifle her pride just a little and pointedly separate the two different aspects Tom represents, maybe she could simply make the best decision for herself and her children (adults they might be but still Tom is being brought into their lives in a much more intimate manner than just knowing him and would have an affect for some time depending on how long any marriage might last).  And that could well be to marry the cock with legs.  But if you have to dig in your heels like tonight, I think any relationship needs a healthy pause and reflection that puts aside public image arrogance and haughtiness and see exactly what that investment is and what return you can get at the worst.

That said, Ramona and Sonja are a huge flat poorly postured overly breasted set of clucking chickens who no matter how many dates, fucks or hearts drawn on hands there were, it doesn't matter.  Unless tom was still sticking to his drawers from the moisture of Sonja or Ramona when he met with Luann, there is no investment.  Unless he is cheating with them on her, there is no investment. 

I still think he probably didn't fuck Sonja even five times.  She just doesn't have it in her to tell the truth when it comes to her vagina being the Charybdis and Scylla of the Upper East Side.  in so many ways she is like the last cheap cracker set out with the cheese plate after all the cheese has been eaten, the wine drunk and all that is left is for the catering staff to toss it in the bin.  Hanging on a fuck or five with Tom as your relevance is so sad and grim and yet, not going to lie, funny since I know come another season, she will try to purr her incredible sexiness and allure.

The Monster and the Mule once again put in a heinous hypocritical performance laden with so much Trumpian and Palinesque logic they should think of being the opposing ticket in 2020 if Clinton wins.  These two are like the Lyin'Ryan Lochte of mentalists.  I mean how dumb can be thinking that "you're bad at your own faith" since faith is individual and defined only by that individual in end.  If Jules was using her own faith as a platform to prate ethics on the others and then showed she didn't practice what she preached would be one thing.  Her inconsistently only defines herself within her own faith.  It does not draw a line of right and wrong.  Not like, oh swooping in on your broom, parking it right up your own ass and then shrieking and spraying spittle trying to slut shame another woman for doing the exact thing you are?  That is being a bad person.  Even if you are a gaping bleeding hole in terms of personality even on a good day.

I think even if the Frankelstein's Monster is too big of an investment by production to completely bring into check, the Mule and Awkward Side Boobs Singer are going to have to scramble to keep an apple in their claws.  Other than playing "me too" in the echo chamber of the Monster's Ass they had really nothing and pretty much showed that yet again tonight. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

I thought Dorinda got Carole but good.  When Dorinda said she never had a chance to get close to Carole this season because of Bethenny?  Man, she nailed it.  She said Carole never showed up anywhere that Bethenny wasn't in attendance also.  Hmmmmm.  Great point, Dorinda.  Carole rolled her eyes like a 12 year old and said that wasn't true.  But everyone there knew it was true.  When Satan Andy read a comment (supposedly from a viewer) of how being around Bethenny has turned her into a mean girl, she said sarcastically she loves the mean girl comments & she rolled her eyes again like a 12 year old.

My point is, Carole never effectively countered these comments about how she's morphed into Bethenny's sidekick/follower & how it has effected & changed her demeanor & how she's perceived on the show -- to viewers & the other cast members.  Sorry, Carole, but you are as deluded as Sonja has EVER been, if you refuse to acknowledge how you are now perceived -- as Bethenny's evil sidekick!

Bethenny defended the mean girl shit they did to Jules, when they abruptly left her brunch & had made snide/nasty comments about Jules the whole time they were there -- as just doing the stuff good girlfriends do.  Really?  Some defense for being nasty & shitty to Jules, Bethenny.  Uh, except it's NO defense at all -- for Bethenny or Carole.  They were both nasty, shitty & cruel to Jules.

OK, I get it with Bethenny.  She's a truly horrible woman.  I guess that's her defense for her nastiness & evilness & endless cruelty.  She's horrible & you either accept she's an evil, horrible & vile person, who will be nasty & cruel to any & all random people near her, & you can be entertained by her if you wanna be, but she makes no apologies for being an awful woman.  What I don't get is where Carole fits in with Bethenny's horribleness.  Is Carole really OK (as Bethenny clearly is) with being labeled a horrible person?  

Last ep, Bethenny didn't flinch a bit when Lu said she was evil & horrible.  She's heard it before & maybe billions of times.  She knows she's horrible & she's fine with it.  But does Carole really wanna be in the flames of hell right along with Bethenny's horribleness?  Sure seems that way.  Welcome to Bethenny's hell, Carole -- maybe Satan Andy will give you a door prize.

Edited September 8, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[izabella]

9 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

I love that when Sonja admitted that it was at most five times she had been with Tom and she, is a known exaggerator so I am saying it was sex twice and she blew him once, it took the wind out of the Bethanny couch because they had all blew it up into something that it clearly never was and gone along with her needing to "process" the loss of her relationship.

Especially Carole, who handed Sonja the "lover" label to exaggerate with.  I'm glad Sonja mentioned that it was Carole that put that word in her mouth,

[breezy424]

Oh let's face it, if So says she was 'with' Tom five times that probably means twice, maybe.  Or Tom doesn't remember but neither does P Diddy being on her yacht.  I doubt Madonna remembers she was supposed to show up for So's fashion show either.  I do think that the other couch was shocked, along with Andy, that Yo said that she was with Tom five times in ten years.  Nope, that wasn't the answer they thought.  That shut them down pretty quick.

Sonja Morgan had no storyline this season.  So she amped up her 'relationship' with Tom.  Carole looked like a fool after Sonja admitted how many times she actually was with Tom after Yo said  that Carole said that FWB is a guy term.  Um. That apparently was what is was...and even that is a stretch.  Carole had no storyline either.  Yeah, loved the doggy marriage.....not.

On another note, looks like Beth is already trying to grow out her hair.  The bangs are being pushed to the side on WWHL.  She's ok now with getting married again.  When someone is coming out of a 23(?) year relationship and declares he's ready to marry you tomorrow yet he hasn't filed for divorce?  That's just as many red flags up as Beth claims to be going on in Lu's relationship.  But we're not allowed to talk about that.....

Edited September 8, 2016 by breezy424

[Teddybear]

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Bethenney is on WWHL right now, and I've never seen her look more unattractive.

I agree 100%.  It was bound to happen; when you're that ugly on the inside, it seeps through your pores.  And no amount of surgery can repair that, Bethenny.  

[Juneau Gal]

Of all the nasty things B has spewed over the years, coming after Jules and her Judaism has to be the worst. So out of context for where the discussion was at at the time, but so obviously well planned out ahead of time as a way of deflection. Thank you to posters above for writing so succinctly about this because I am too flabbergasted by it to write coherently. 

When Andy asked Luann how to spell Bethenny, oh how I wish she would have replied "BITCH".