S06.E04: Animal Instincts

[Snarky McSnarky]

Although three grand is a ridiculous amount of money for a pig, and it was clearly a bad idea, Tyler needs to STFU about it.  It is Catelynn's money.  The show is called Teen MOM.  Without Catelynn, Tyler would not have anything close to what he has (houses, camping trailer, multiple cars).  Given his lack of enthusiasm for anything involving education or an actual job, he'd probably be living with his mom if he hadn't fallen ass-backwards into that pile of MTV money.

Simon should have learned by now that it is imperative to fawn over Sophia at all times, and forget any socialism that involves people who are not named Abraham.

That's one Helluva clothing business Maci and Taylor have.  I think I counted four or five shirts on those shelves in their living room.  

Matt is not even pretending to be interested in Amber's child at this point.  

[Katt]

I don't know if it still does, but on FB, when I looked a good few months ago,  Tyler had "Being Me on Teen Mom" posted as his occupation. Arrogant little shit. 
 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

11 minutes ago, Katt said:

I don't know if it still does, but on FB, when I looked a good few months ago,  Tyler had "Being Me on Teen Mom" posted as his occupation. Arrogant little shit. 
 

He really does think he's the 5th Original Teen Mom. 

I'd hate to be involved in contract negotiations with him or a producer (you know he thinks he should get equal screen time). 

[ginger90]

Just started watching this episode on On Demand. I had to laugh at the fact one of the first commercials is for a show called MaryJane. Perfect.

[WhosThatGirl]

There was so much about this episode that just was...so wrong. I can't not post the more I think about it. The whole Cate running in and being all excited about a cute micro pig she just dropped a ton of money on. I know over on TM2, Chelsea got a pet pig and we all were like.. "what?!??!" but she seems to have more of a handle on how to care for a pet pig and all that. This was a mess. And Tyler's reaction. I agree, that during the night he probably woke up or the dogs/Nova woke up because of the pig and that woke Tyler up and he probably yelled at Cate.

Yeah, I don't know what happened with Farrah.She was actually tolerable the first few episodes. I don't know. I don't want to defend her but maybe she is over this guy Simon's bs? It seems like she is probably footing the bill or they have some arrangement where he is supposed to play the part of the boyfriend or at some point ask her to marry him? Otherwise, I don't know why she keeps him around and maybe she is realizing that now? That he is kind of a loser? Something tells me they have had some sort of arrangement but he isn't keeping up his end of the bargain. Like the ring she bought herself and the flowers she clearly bought but the story was he did.  But he doesn't keep his end of the deal by engaging in the stories with her or Sophia. I mean, yes she;s still a bitch but I think there's more to this story..otherwise why does she put up with it?

Matt is really the worst. His face when they picked up Leah from Gary's. True colors are coming out. He doesn't adore Leah like he claims he does. 

Maci's mom is awesome. Like I said in a previous episode forum, she was on this show a lot but has pulled back for reasons. One of those probably is having to deal with the farce of the stories of this show. She has to go along with Maci not knowing she was having a 3rd baby and planning a dream wedding. I wouldn't want to, either. 

[Uncle JUICE]

1 hour ago, Caracoa1 said:

I say something evil went down after the MTV crew left for the night.  I believe Tyler went all postal and possibly beat her and that woke up and scared Nova.  She probably got rid of that pig fast so Tyler wouldn't kill it.  Brandon and Theresa...CLOSE THE ADOPTION...NOW!!! 

Tyler's certainly a douche, but this is a few times in this thread that either implicitly or explicitly, people are saying he's a wife beater and potential animal murderer. I hate defending this dumb ass, but getting mad at one of your dogs for taking a shit in the house isn't exactly dousing it with gasoline and tossing it over a fire, is it? And if MTV has reason to believe Catelynn's in physical danger, that's on them to resolve, otherwise, implying the guy's a wife beater when he's never been arrested or even accused seems shitty. 

[Scarlett45]

49 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

He really does think he's the 5th Original Teen Mom. 

I'd hate to be involved in contract negotiations with him or a producer (you know he thinks he should get equal screen time). 

You know, I think Gary should get just as much (if not more) screen time than Tyler given that he has primary custody of Leah. No he's not a Mom but he's doing most of the parenting and Amber doesn't have another child in her story line (thank goodness). At least Gary is doing something to earn the funds!

[ginger90]

Amber still using Gary's proximity to Leah's school as a reason she doen't have her more. Then move closer. She won't because in reality one has nothing to do with the other.

[imjagain]

Butch with his backwards bunny pants so funny and wrong. 

Interesting little bit,  Cate said on Twitter she wasn't even there when they filmed the bunny scene. 

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

Farrah: Why are you with Simon? He's a douche, and so are you. You'll both be single and 30. Also, why would Simon think that  it's okay to wear shoes in Farrah's house? She doesn't even let the crew use her bathroom for goodness sake.

I wouldn't be surprised if Simon and Debra have to use the porta-potty as well. 

 

1 hour ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

Amber: Amber was kind of blah this week. Also, I wonder what her illness was, that caused her to go to the hospital. 

It was my-house-is-covered-in-dog-shit-itis. 

[lidarose9]

I found this episode really painful. That cat and the pig were both so scared. I predict we'll never see the cat again because it escaped the first time a door was opened and is now living the good life as a feral on the streets. Good job with that rescue, Amber. The poor little pig was so traumatized. I think it very likely that Cate made a serious suicide gesture that night. I think she saw herself in the poor little pig's obvious distress, and it unlocked something inside her. I think the greatest risk to Cate is suicide.

[FlowerofCarnage]

I don't know how Gary does it because I would be a nervous wreck everytime Leah goes to spend time with Amber and Rick Moranis. As others have stated, it's clear he can't stand Leah and wants her gone.

Simon guzzling beer...how else can he stomach being around Farrah. And of course it all about what Farrah wants, nevermind that her child is sick.

I wouldn't be shocked if we hear  that Brandon and Teresa have finally closed the adoption in light of C&T public marijuana use. We know they are conservative so they might not be as progressive on the issue of marijuana use. 

Edited September 6, 2016 by FlowerofCarnage

[ginger90]

It was interesting to me that April was first to hold the pig when they arrived to get it.

Where the heck did it come from, was that a bus station? 

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

Simon should have learned by now that it is imperative to fawn over Sophia at all times, and forget any socialism that involves people who are not named Abraham.

Yes. Proper socialism means that when you go to someone else's home (whose home was that???), you ignore the hosts and other guests and ONLY pay attention to the people you came with. Duh. Everyone knows that. 

[Uncle JUICE]

11 minutes ago, lidarose9 said:

I found this episode really painful. That cat and the pig were both so scared. I predict we'll never see the cat again because it escaped the first time a door was opened and is now living the good life as a feral on the streets. Good job with that rescue, Amber. The poor little pig was so traumatized. I think it very likely that Cate made a serious suicide gesture that night. I think she saw herself in the poor little pig's obvious distress, and it unlocked something inside her. I think the greatest risk to Cate is suicide.

You can't understand how much I wanted that cat to dash off the second the door was open and have Matt say "Oh well." The pig, on the other hand, I was hoping it would escape but at the same time thinking it'll never survive, and then Cate has to tell Tyler she lost 3000$ by letting it go in the middle of a dark street. Still, dark comedy would have hid a hawk or an eagle swoop down, pick it up and be gone. 

[100percent Pain]

This was a very disturbing episode for many reasons,and a very bizarre one too. I think this episode shows that this really needs to end. They have no story left to tell..and the ways that they are going about "creating stories" are ridiculous and irresponsible.

Cate: The pig. it's been covered but I was horrified from start to finish with the way this pig was treated. She puts it down near a street..really you dumb ass.Then bringing it in to the house of dogs (that would likely kill and eat it before she could manage her lazy fat ass off the couch.) Then that creepy overnight segment and next day talk..while Tyler simmers in the corner. Pig is gone. Cate is a mess. Chilling. All because they were creating story.And here's a clue...Smoking weed all the time makes you really tired and zaps your ambition. There was a song in 2001 that covered this. Depressed..or fucking wasted?

Tyler: STFU. you are not a star.you are a nobody. He can barely hide how much Cate grosses him out, Just in it for the $$ and the Teen Mom fame.

Macy: Not one person believes that you didn't know you weren't pregnant. She lost me a couple of years back when she chased MTV down "You can film me now!" her little it's me or her(Farrah) didn't work. MTV was like "Okay" and My Hate for Ryan cannot even be described. I FF through him. He deserves prison. She wants to wait for the wedding so it can be a story!! and to get drunk(not that being pregnant stops her)

Amber: Totally agree with poster who said that moms don't get to take a sick day. And that poor cat. Shame on that place for letting her take home a timid cat knowing she had a house full of dogs and a small child. A true rescue organization never would approve that adoption. A pet shop..yes..along with the sale of that giant cat tree and other supplies.All done for story. Poor cat. Her stalker boyfriend is beyond creepy.I hope Gary puts the kibosh on Leah having contact with him. Gary seems like he is stressed waiting for Leah to come home.

Farrah: Are these actual humans in this family. Farrah is unhinged and a sociopath. She is like an alien being.Debra is a drunk and seems brain damaged, Sophia is an uncivilized beast. Simon is the (paid) boyfriend plant..who just wants his checks..he showed up...he's not doing any more than that. I'm starting to like him.

[trashtvaddict]

This episode actually chilled me, and usually I can just laugh at the trainwrecks and enjoy the snark. Something Bad happened in Catelynn's house that night. In this segment:

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/catelynn-lowell-pet-pig-teen-mom-og-112425

At about 1:02, when Jessica says something along the lines of , "do you think the squealing will wake up Ty".. doesn't Cate say, "Oh my god Jessica.. and Tyler's "tweaking"!" and Jessica says, "I know."  I looked up tweaking in Urban Dictionary and it seems to be related to crank/meth use.

Maybe I heard it wrong?

[Caracoa1]

1 hour ago, Uncle JUICE said:

Tyler's certainly a douche, but this is a few times in this thread that either implicitly or explicitly, people are saying he's a wife beater and potential animal murderer. I hate defending this dumb ass, but getting mad at one of your dogs for taking a shit in the house isn't exactly dousing it with gasoline and tossing it over a fire, is it? And if MTV has reason to believe Catelynn's in physical danger, that's on them to resolve, otherwise, implying the guy's a wife beater when he's never been arrested or even accused seems shitty. 

Those animals respect Tyler out of fear!  And yes...i came from an abusive background.. I know that look in Tyler's eyes....he was monitoring Catelynn carefully to make sure she didn't blow his secret... he's a douche

[ghoulina]

26 minutes ago, trashtvaddict said:

 

This episode actually chilled me, and usually I can just laugh at the trainwrecks and enjoy the snark. Something Bad happened in Catelynn's house that night. In this segment:

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/catelynn-lowell-pet-pig-teen-mom-og-112425

At about 1:02, when Jessica says something along the lines of , "do you think the squealing will wake up Ty".. doesn't Cate say, "Oh my god Jessica.. and Tyler's "tweaking"!" and Jessica says, "I know."  I looked up tweaking in Urban Dictionary and it seems to be related to crank/meth use.

Maybe I heard it wrong?

 

It definitely sounded like "tweaking". Tyler doesn't really come off as a meth user, though. He's an ass and abusive and controlling, but he doesn't have that "on edge" vibe a tweaker gives off. I thought maybe she said "freaking", but I don't think so. 

I really don't know what to think, but I do think something bad happened. I think the pig woke them all up, including Nova. I think everyone was up, out of bed, Tyler was getting mad, Cate was getting frustrated - and someone hurt the pig or Nova, to make the child cry out the way she did in that clip. Maybe the pig bit Nova, so they sent the pig right on out of there. But Cate was being really hard on herself as a mom in the morning. Tyler was also watching her like a hawk. Where was Nova? Did they send her off with the pig as well? The whole thing was shady as hell. 

[Maharincess]

19 hours ago, Brooklynista said:

Nothing says "Family" like getting high with your mom.

I see a crossover with Animal Hoarders in Amber's future. That house must smell like ass and loneliness.

I didn't watch this episode. So...Cate is getting high with her drug addict mother who is supposedly clean and sober?  Ok. 

I haven't watched in a couple of weeks.  The last one I watched, the most exciting and interesting part of the show was watching Larry's spackle turn from pink to white as it dried. 

[Brooklynista]

As feral as Sofia is, I felt for her this episode. Anyone with half an ounce of a heart could tell that she truly wasn't feeling well. She was just a little girl who wanted her mommy to crawl in bed w her and give her kisses and cuddles.

I really want to Zapruder the shit out of the time line with that pig. The pig was squealing at 4:30 am. The camera crew was on the couch with Tyler staring holes into Catelynn by 9:30 am. What time did they call the sister to get the pig? How'd she get there and gone so fast at zero o'clock in the morning?

I've seen some theories that maybe the pig bit Nova. I dont think so. Wouldn't Nova have been in her crib at that hour? And last we saw the pig, Cate was putting it in the dog crate. My bet is Tyler did something to that animal. But what??? He sat in that on that couch and directed that conversation like he took a class taught at the Learning Annex by Matt.

Edited September 6, 2016 by Brooklynista

[iheartla]

2 hours ago, imjagain said:

Butch with his backwards bunny pants so funny and wrong. 

Interesting little bit,  Cate said on Twitter she wasn't even there when they filmed the bunny scene. 

Interesting, so they spliced a shot of her on the couch laughing to create the scene. 

[NikSac]

19 hours ago, Brooklynista said:

Did you see that??? He can't stand that kid or any kid I'm guessing. He clearly hates this part of his hustle for Amber's money. Matt's just trying to figure out the right angle to use to get Amber to quit dealing with Leah. Having her skip her scheduled days with Leah is a fine start.

I sort of prefer to think he hates this as opposed to loving the opportunity to be alone with a young child, though. I do definitely think he's going to screw Amber over, but I just want to see Leah come out of this relatively unscathed.

[jumper sage]

3 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Simon and Debra have to use the porta-potty as well. 

 

It was my-house-is-covered-in-dog-shit-itis. 

Ghoulina you crack me up.

Maci and her wedding dress.  I know this will be very unpopular but.........I hate when girls who are all tatted up try to look like a princess in a white sleeveless dress.  Should have thought about that when you were getting the tats.

I will run and hide now.

[Brooklynista]

2 minutes ago, jumper sage said:

Ghoulina you crack me up.

Maci and her wedding dress.  I know this will be very unpopular but.........I hate when girls who are all tatted up try to look like a princess in a white sleeveless dress.  Should have thought about that when you were getting the tats.

I will run and hide now.

For me it depends on the artwork.  I've seen brides look beautiful in their white gowns with their tats. But when you get some nasty dumb ass tattoos like a giant sheet of notebook paper??  You're going to look like a bride who's should be having her reception at the Lobo lounge, not a church "where God is". Girl bye.

[Scarlett45]

17 minutes ago, NikSac said:

I sort of prefer to think he hates this as opposed to loving the opportunity to be alone with a young child, though. I do definitely think he's going to screw Amber over, but I just want to see Leah come out of this relatively unscathed.

Leah's health and well being are #1. I hope Gary and Christina have let her know they can tell them about life at Amber's. I've never got the impression that this Matt person has ill intentions towards children, but I would hate for Leah to be caught in the cross fire of his anger or temper (if he has one). General distaste is probably our best option right now. The guy is a slime ball. 

[Willowsmom]

Amber:  Matt mentioned getting pedialyte for her. She was most likely in the ER with gastroenteritis. I've done that twice and it's better not to expose Leah to whatever caused the issue.

If they would only leave the cat alone it would calm down.

I'd be more worried about Matt disposing of Leah than abusing her if it weren't for Gary. I think Matt has a healthy fear going there.

Cate:  She  said her sister had taken the pig. 

I think Tyler was more upset that Cate and April had taken the last of the pot. The.  last shot of her said it all, her laying on the floor like a lump while Tyler used her as furniture.

CPS needs to investigate. All of Nova's caregivers are high most of the time. Maybe BandT would like another daughter.

[MrsBestes]

I was a HEAVY pot smoker for years (from around 18-23 years old) & I am 100% sure Cate & April were smoking weed in the car. I never smoked while driving. I definitely hung out with people who did sometimes though and I remember thinking how dangerous/stupid it was. Although these were people in their late teens/early twenties who did not have any kids and weren't being filmed for an MTV reality show. The fact that Cate is a mother and doing this on national tv is insane to me. I definitely think CPS needs to be brought in. What other terrible choices are being made by her and Tyler? Poor Nova. I feel for Cate with her anxiety and depression (I've dealt with both, mostly anxiety though). Smoking weed all day, not taking your medicine, seeing that joke of a therapist, and being married to Tyler is not going to help you. She needs to get her life together quick or we are going to see an April 2.0 (& possibly Tyler as a Butch 2.0). 

Edited September 7, 2016 by MrsBestes

[GreatKazu]

Catelynn and April picked up the pig at 10:20 p.m.

Jessica the producer said Tyler was sleeping. Catelynn mumbled something about it being worse if he was awake. Not 100% sure, but that is what it sounded like she said. I rewinded the DVR three times and that is my conclusion.

Catelynn also said her sister arrived to pick up the pig.

My theories: 

1) the pig made noises and drew the attention of the dogs who then went to the cage and began aggravating the pig by pushing on the cage or trying to get to the pig. The pig squealed and it woke up Nova. Nova's crying woke up Tyler because Catelynn was tending to the animals trying to keep the noise level down. Tyler got pissed and began telling Catelynn what a stupid move it was to get the pig. Catelynn becomes upset and they argue. The whole house is chaos with animals making noises, Nova crying, Catelynn crying and Tyler being loud and abrasive because his sleep has been disrupted and now has to tend to Nova. Catelynn can't handle the arguing and gets an anxiety attack

2) the dogs went over to the pig's cage and began barking which in turn caused the pig to become upset. Catelynn became upset because she knows the pig squealing will cause enough noise to wake up Tyler and she doesn't want to deal with his wrath. Things get worse. She gets one of her anxiety attacks, loses control, and kicks the cage out of frustration or throws something. The pig and dogs are riled up and the noise wakes up Nova who begins to cry and then Tyler wakes up pissed because of all the noise going on. He goes downstairs to see Catelynn having a meltdown

Edited September 6, 2016 by GreatKazu

[butterbody]

Oh man, this is the most I've ever laughed at this show, when that bunny had his tail in the front, and when Deb was drinking her wine with her ears on. Spoiler alert: This will be the only time i am happy to see animals this episode. And in the previous scene Farrah tells Simon her mom poured him a glass of wine, and then a couple scenes later, bunny Deb is throwing one back like, well, of you're not going to drink this....

Cate and April were definitely getting high, which I thought was odd given April's supposed sobriety. Then again, my Instagram is filled with pictures of cannabis, due to my (legal) profession, and I recently received a notification that none other than Butch was following me. I know, I know, I'll be handing out autographs after the show. But I digress. In my line of work, we try to wean patients off things like xanex and pain pills if a natural alternative such as medical cannabis can provide similar results. However, we would never recommend someone smoke while driving! Ugh! Way to set the movement back, Cate. And when Tyler called, he asked her where the roaches were, and she told him they were in the bowl. Then she and April did a coy little giggle because obviously it were those very roaches they were smoking. So she lied to Tyler, and took the last of the weed, and brought a pig home. A Trifecta of bad choices. 

[guilfoyleatpp]

1 hour ago, Willowsmom said:

CPS needs to investigate. All of Nova's caregivers are high most of the time. Maybe BandT would like another daughter.

After what happened with TM2 and Chelsea being reported for doing makeup without being licensed, I have very little doubt that someone is screen shotting both Tyler and Catelyn's justifications and admissions that they smoke weed and has already called CPS in whatever state they live in. Was it Michigan or Indiana? 

They're fucking idiots.

ETA: I'm watching this a second time...is Maci getting married at a PLANTATION?! That's so fucking gross. 

Edited September 7, 2016 by guilfoyleatpp

[GreatKazu]

CPS won't bother to investigate a home where a child is not being abused or neglected. They would need more than a screen shot of someone covering a camera as they smoke weed. That is not proof of Nova being abused or neglected. Social workers who work for CPS are under-staffed as it is. They are also bogged down with real cases of child abuse.

IMO I do think Nova is exposed to marijuana smoke and is not being tended to properly. I also believe both Tyler and Catelynn have been under the influence while driving with Nova in the car.  Those two are likely always high on weed. But, there is no proof of them driving with Nova while high. They could also claim they only smoke when Nova is at April's, which is 5 days out of the week.

I assume Catelynn's therapy in Arizona was just to go away and rest since in real-time she is of the belief that marijuana will help her, not Xanax or any other medication. She is also still with Tyler.

Edited September 7, 2016 by GreatKazu

[Marisagf]

2 hours ago, Brooklynista said:

 

I really want to Zapruder the shit out of the time line with that pig. The pig was squealing at 4:30 am. The camera crew was on the couch with Tyler staring holes into Catelynn by 9:30 am. What time did they call the sister to get the pig? How'd she get there and gone so fast at zero o'clock in the morning?

I've seen some theories that maybe the pig bit Nova. I dont think so. Wouldn't Nova have been in her crib at that hour? And last we saw the pig, Cate was putting it in the dog crate. My bet is Tyler did something to that animal. But what??? He sat in that on that couch and directed that conversation like he took a class taught at the Learning Annex by Matt.

First of all, Brooklynista is my spirit animal!

As a former TV producer, I will say this: do not be surprised if that time line was completely fabricated in editing.  Just like the insert shot of Cait laughing at Butch, "the X-rated Easter Bunny."  I've had to do both in editing in the interest of clarifying or creating a story line.

I cannot be more disappointed in Cait.  As I am with my daughter's birth mother, I just want her to get her act together and be healthy.  Like it or not, some day, Carly will have questions about her biological background.  She might be 10, 25, or 42 years old when she decides to investigate.  I just want Cait to be alive when that day comes.

BTW, I don't care if Tyler is there.  Because it cannot be said enough, "STFU, Tyler!"

Edited September 7, 2016 by Marisagf
Typo

[geekamonggeeks]

I read the recap of last night's episode, and the writer pointed out something I never noticed until now. Nova really doesn't have any sort of facial expressions, does she? She never seems happy or excited about anything. Her face is always blank and neutral. I know we only see a small snippet of these peoples' lives, and I don't have any kids, but shouldn't she be smiling, laughing, doing something? Sure, Catelynn and Tyler have posted photos of Nova smiling, but I don't know. My guess is that between her depressed mother, lazy father, and the fact that she's being shuffled between several peoples' houses three or four times a week, she's not getting a lot of stimulation. Or maybe I'm overthinking this because, again, I don't have any children. 

[poopchute]

We also rarely see anyone interacting with Nova.  She will be playing or stumbling around while every adult in the room scrolls through their phones.  That always makes me so sad.

[GreatKazu]

7 minutes ago, poopchute said:

We also rarely see anyone interacting with Nova.  She will be playing or stumbling around while every adult in the room scrolls through their phones.  That always makes me so sad.

Or they are shoving Ritz crackers in her mouth to keep her from bugging them.

Tyler has been shown at least twice now where he is just staring at Nova. No smile, no reaction. Just staring at her with this look on his face as if he can't be bothered with her.  The most recent scene was where he is lying on the ground as Nova is standing there near him.

I looked at Tyler's twitter and he posted Catelynn was in "rehab" during the Easter bunny backwards pants scene. He then posted a sarcastic remark about everything on tv is real.

[AhFillAck]

April's maniacal glee was frightening.

[MrsBestes]

1 hour ago, AhFillAck said:

April's maniacal glee was frightening.

This is terrifying! April definitely seems like she's off the wagon. We know she smokes weed & drinks, it wouldn't surprise me if she's doing meth again too. 

[For Cereals]

What was that crap in Farrah's hair?  It looked like she got sprayed with rainbow silly string.  Every time I see her TX house, I get hungry because it looks like a Macaroni Grill except they let you use their toilets.

Loved Maci's mom.  Would love to hear her take on this foolishness vs. Ryan's always supportive parents.  So, last week Maci was just figuring out she's pregnant and this week she's popped the turkey button.  So fake.

I really want to know what happened in Cate and Ty's house.  His face is looking chunky.  Can't Butch get in trouble for being around pot smokers?  I would think he still has to check in with someone from time to time.

Thank you, Ghoulina, for saying "jel."

Oh and did we really need to see the segment with Gary making the cinnamon rolls swimming in icing?  They should've let Leah go to the hospital with Amber because if Gary continues like he is, he's going to be in the ICU.

Edited September 7, 2016 by Forcereals
Forgot something

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

5 hours ago, Brooklynista said:

I've seen some theories that maybe the pig bit Nova. I dont think so. Wouldn't Nova have been in her crib at that hour? And last we saw the pig, Cate was putting it in the dog crate. My bet is Tyler did something to that animal. But what??? He sat in that on that couch and directed that conversation like he took a class taught at the Learning Annex by Matt.

Bahahaha! This sentences gives me life, Brooklynista!

3 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Catelynn and April picked up the pig at 10:20 p.m.

Jessica the producer said Tyler was sleeping. Catelynn mumbled something about it being worse if he was awake. Not 100% sure, but that is what it sounded like she said. I rewinded the DVR three times and that is my conclusion. 

That's what I heard, too.

My guess is Tyler acted like he didn't care too much about Cate buying the pig while the cameras were around. Later that night, the pig, Nova, or the dogs do something to piss Tyler off or disturb him. Or someone on Instagram calls him out on one of his posts or something. He takes it out on Catelynn, letting his real anger and emotions about the $3k on the pig show. 

 

April is really a turd. I may one day be "cool" enough to smoke and drink with my kids, BUT no way in hell am I ever going to be cool with them doing so then driving. Most of us would never approve of our kids smoking then driving, let alone pretty much endorse the behavior by riding shotgun while the pot was being passed around. This is the woman who was so upset that the family "lost" Carly to the adoption years ago, yet she's fine with prospect of losing her daughter or her own life by riding in the car with a high Catelynn driving.  Catelynn, stop smoking and driving. If something happens to you and your mom, Tyler will be the only parent left for Nova (which pretty much means Kim and/or Butch will really raise her.....and we saw how that turned out with Tyler). And that famewhore will use your death to get on every magazine cover and TV show he can. 

April obviously did her addiction treatment at Matt & Amber's Sober Living House, where booze and pot aren't considered drugs.

Edited September 7, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

10 minutes ago, Forcereals said:

What was that crap in Farrah's hair?  It looked like she got sprayed with rainbow silly string.  Every time I see her TX house, I get hungry because it looks like a Macaroni Grill except they let you use their toilets.

OMG yes. That's exactly what  the  exterior of her home looks like! Bahahahaha! 

[ChristmasJones]

This episode depressed the hell out of me.

That poor little pig- taken away from its mother way too young. It will end up with all the other so called "micro" pigs that grow to be 200+ lbs and then dumped at an animal rescue.

And then the cat. I am so pissed at Amber. It just shows how completely oblivious she is. The cat is hiding and clearly scared when she tries to reach into its cage. So what does Amber do? Decide to bring it home to house with seven yappy dogs!!!! That is just so fucked up!

Cate and her mom toking it up while they drive down the freeway. What a bunch of losers. I have no sympathy for Cate at all. Who the hell does she think she is to drive while she is high????? I hope at least someone is calling her out on Twitter or wherever she posts on social media.

Watching these clips where the producers sit around and talk with the "talent" just makes me sick. I understand why all these losers have such big egos now. If you had someone sitting around talking to you like you are their best friend, and they are just sooooo caring and supportive and understanding... and this went on for seven years... and you got a bunch of money in the process... yeah, I can see where the egos come from.  Its like they kind of act like therapists (eg, when Farrah was upset about Simon's shoes in the house and the producer suggested that maybe she was upset because he didn't participate in the easter egg hunt), but rather than the patient's well-being and health being their prime focus, they are just trying to keep the ratings up. Its really disgusting.

[GreatKazu]

@Forcereals it was Easter. Farrah had remnants of Easter egg confetti in her hair.

[Brooklynista]

I'm just gonna say it and say good night to the room.

Perhaps Tyler made that pig squeal like a pig.

[ghoulina]

13 hours ago, Brooklynista said:

For me it depends on the artwork.  I've seen brides look beautiful in their white gowns with their tats. But when you get some nasty dumb ass tattoos like a giant sheet of notebook paper??  You're going to look like a bride who's should be having her reception at the Lobo lounge, not a church "where God is". Girl bye.

Exactly. I had a friend who was fully sleeved get married in a sleeveless dress, and she looked stunning. But her artwork was VERY well done, and cohesive. People need to THINK before they get tattoos. Don't just randomly get them with not thought to placement, or how they will all flow together, etc. Maci's back looks like a hodepodge of Bentley's school projects. From the front she doesn't look so bad, though. 

 

13 hours ago, Willowsmom said:

 

Amber:  Matt mentioned getting pedialyte for her. She was most likely in the ER with gastroenteritis. I've done that twice and it's better not to expose Leah to whatever caused the issue.

 

I agree. While it's true that most moms don't get the day off, I would love to not have to expose my children to germs when I'm sick. In a divorce/break-up situation you do have the luxury of keeping the child away from a bad illness, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. 

 

9 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

My guess is Tyler acted like he didn't care too much about Cate buying the pig while the cameras were around. Later that night, the pig, Nova, or the dogs do something to piss Tyler off or disturb him. Or someone on Instagram calls him out on one of his posts or something. He takes it out on Catelynn, letting his real anger and emotions about the $3k on the pig show. 

Tyler was clearly pissed, but he was trying really hard to hold it together. You could tell it was just KILLING him not to bawl her out right then and there. You could feel the rage seething out of him when he was talking to his good friend Quasimodo. Apparently the pig is alive, because he's been seen on April's SM. Nova is clearly okay. But SOMETHING happened in the night, and it was more than Cate having an anxiety attack. 

[Uncle JUICE]

52 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Tyler was clearly pissed, but he was trying really hard to hold it together. You could tell it was just KILLING him not to bawl her out right then and there. You could feel the rage seething out of him when he was talking to his good friend Quasimodo. Apparently the pig is alive, because he's been seen on April's SM. Nova is clearly okay. But SOMETHING happened in the night, and it was more than Cate having an anxiety attack. 

I don't get it, and again I lead with the caveat that of course this guy's a douche, but think it through this way: what if YOU were the partner who wasn't consulted on a pet purchase above "fish" level? If you share a living space with someone you're married to, you have a one year old child, at least two non-neutered dogs (gross), an ex-con living there, in my view, he has a RIGHT to be pissed that she went and spent three grand of their money (he's under contract too, he's not Matt or David or Nathan or Simon, so he's got some right to the money) on ANOTHER living obligation without even discussing it (or as I suspect, discussing it while high, him saying "bad idea" and her thinking "I'll do it anyway")? Like I said, it's got to be his money too, they're married . If it were him as the breadwinner and her as the homemaker, wouldn't we all be "How dare Tyler give her something else to take care of!!!!"?  I can tell you as a parent of two with a two income house, any expenditure over a certain amount has to pass the "veto" test. And there's no way any single party in a relationship should have "purchase mouth to feed" authority. If he was pissed, he has a right to be, even if I think he's an asshole on a myriad of other items, but this one, she bought a piglet without him agreeing (and no, it's not his "permission" per se, it's respecting the other person's position). Implying that he either beat her up or 'did something' nefarious to that pig seem totally baseless to me. 

 

Thanks a lot guys, now I've defended this dickbag twice in this thread! :( Edited to fix the grammar in the first sentence to make it more readable. 

Edited September 7, 2016 by Uncle JUICE

[lasandi]

14 minutes ago, Uncle JUICE said:

I don't get it, and again I lead with the caveat that of course this guy's a douche, but think it through this way: if you share a living space with someone you're married to, you have a one year old child, at least two non-neutered dogs (gross), an ex-con living there, in my view, he has a RIGHT to be pissed that she went and spent three grand of their money (he's under contract too, he's not Matt or David or Nathan or Simon, so he's got some right to the money) on ANOTHER living obligation without even discussing it (or as I suspect, discussing it while high, him saying "bad idea" and her thinking "I'll do it anyway")? Like I said, it's got to be his money too, they're married . If it were him as the breadwinner and her as the homemaker, wouldn't we all be "How dare Tyler give her something else to take care of!!!!"?  I can tell you as a parent of two with a two income house, any expenditure over a certain amount has to pass the "veto" test. And there's no way any single party in a relationship should have "purchase mouth to feed" authority. If he was pissed, he has a right to be, even if I think he's an asshole on a myriad of other items, but this one, she bought a piglet without him agreeing (and no, it's not his "permission" per se, it's respecting the other person's position). Implying that he either beat her up or 'did something' nefarious to that pig seem totally baseless to me. 

 

Thanks a lot guys, now I've defended this dickbag twice in this thread! :(

This in a nutshell.  But you know what it is Uncle Juice, when people don't like someone they go all in.  As I was reading everyones opinions I was thinking that they dislike Tyler so much that they just want him to sit down and shut up. LOL. I totally agree that he had every right to be upset about the pig purchase.  Catelynn does not live by herself.

[poopchute]

I agree that I would be upset if my husband just showed up one day with a pig. But when she told him he bought the pig we didn't see any kind of normal rational discussion that normal adults would have with a spouse about this. Maybe they had it and we didn't see it. But that was the time to say, wait a minute, we can't afford a pig and I don't want to pile too much on us right now because we are overwhelmed with this baby blah blah. If they had that convo and she still went out and picked it up then she's a dick. But I just remember Tyler grumbling a little and making stupid faces.

[Uncle JUICE]

14 minutes ago, lasandi said:

  But you know what it is Uncle Juice, when people don't like someone they go all in.  As I was reading everyones opinions I was thinking that they dislike Tyler so much that they just want him to sit down and shut up. 

Oh sure, I get it, and believe me I want him to shut the fuck up too, but we should look at each of his douchey situations separately, and this one, he just happens to be accidentally right. If my wife woke me up in the middle of the night with a piglet and her bombed out mom, I'd have bawled her out too. I think it's actually a good thing that he didn't, I mean it looks sort of like he doesn't want to totally embarrass her. 

[NannyBails]

Forgot about this episode and now I'm wondering if I even want to catch it on demand.  The comments about the cat  and the pig have me extremely worried.