Season 4 Discussion

[poeticlicensed]

Could Azan have been any more anxious to put Nicole on the plane? The relief on his face said it all. 

Jorge just needs to give anfisa her airfare and be done with it. His groveling and pleading was pathetic. 

Matt, dude, when they had you put on a jacket covered with ones, what do you think is going to happen? And I think your friends are tired of throwing bachelor parties for you. 

The other two, don't care.

[Sup wit dat]

1 hour ago, Lawyerbelle said:

How does Anifsa kick someone out of an apartment for which she pays nothing and otherwise contributes nothing? "I spent the night in the garage"...sweet lord.

This might not be a popular opinion, but I think if there's a fight and one should leave so it doesn't escalate, it's safer for the man to leave.  It's just not a good idea for a woman to be out late at night looking for somewhere to stay unless she has a friend's house to go to.  Anfisa isn't paying for the apartment but she also has no income except from Jorge to pay for somewhere to go.  She also doesn't have a license to drive.

I'm not defending Anfisa, no way in hell.  But even if she was in the wrong she should be able to stay in the apartment.

[steff13]

Ugh, Jorge's groveling was so weak and pathetic.  Very unattractive.  

[guilfoyleatpp]

Matt: I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen.

It's your 4th bachelor party dude. Surely you have SOME idea.

That stripper was rough looking.  Damn. 

[steff13]

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That stripper was rough looking.  Damn. 

Oh my goodness, she looked awful. 

[liammaam]

I have to agree with the person above who said watching Anfisa and Jorge is no longer entertaining.  She is cruel, and he is a wuss.  Also, the forced hug thing was REALLY uncomfortable to watch, both from a "holy crap, she's so mean!" standpoint, and a "NO MEANS NO, MOTHER FUCKER" standpoint.  

Patrick is a douche nugget from hell.

[islandgal140]

Never seen such aggressive TLC producer intervention featured on the show before.  How telling is it that when the producer called he asked "hey, Jorge, are you okay?" Not if Anfisha (a typo and its staying because it is apt) is okay or if they are both okay but just if Jorge is okay. Anfisa entered into straight psychopath zone tonight.  Her flat effect, lack of any emotion and constant need to demean is just too much now.  Hey, I am cool with a far exchange - money for hot girl. Hell, I even enjoy a bad bitch that takes no shit, but this is ridiculous. I haven't seen one redeemable quality that any man of means would or should be interested in Anfisha outside of 'the money is on the dresser.' Even level 10 golddiggers know when to lay on the charm. Anfisha is about as charming as ebola.  She is cruel just to be cruel.

Jorge is the physical embodiment of a sad sack. Forced hugs? Please stop. This isn't as fun anymore.  I still want to know how his big ass spent the night in that little ass car. I just wish Jorge had the stones to throw her ass in an Uber and point it towards the airport. 

Last week I asked production to stop with the profile shots of Anfisha. This week I want them to stop filming her head on. I cant with those damn lips anymore. Its like watching a prolapse in motion.

That must have been the longest 6 weeks weeks of Azan's life. I am sure he was showing alllll the emotions as soon as he saw her ass turn the corner and go out of sight. 

Patrick voiced his opinion in the beginning, now he should either STFU or stay the hell away from all the milestones leading up to this marriage he disagrees with strongly. It is like he is there for the free food and beer (and cameras) and can't stop running his yuck mouth. 

That was a weekday, day shift, off-peak hours stripper. 

Narkiya. I say like Fred Sanford as played by Red Foxx says:  YOU BIG DUMMY!! When you got to spend money, lose pay, lose time better spent with your son to fly thousands of miles to verify that your fiance ain't lying - you have lost at life. 

Edited October 31, 2016 by islandgal140

[annewithaneee]

If Jorge didn't remind me of every mouth-breathing MRA cluttering up my Facebook feed, I'd feel sorry for him. But he is who he is, so I'm still entirely on Anfisa's side, that glorious monster. He's going to figure out way too late that he could have saved a lot of money going full FinDom rather than trying to buy a Russian knock-off Kardashian bride. I mean, that has to be what he's into but is too stupid to figure it out, right?

[sarah82]

The pre-nup drama between Chantel and Pedro is so fake. They have 2 days to get married.  They are going to find an attorney, the attorney will draft the pre-nup, and they will find another attorney to represent Pedro all within 1-2 days?

Patrick was gross at the bachelor party. If you can't avoid saying bad things about the bride to be, don't go the party. I think Matt's friends wanted the stripper there so they could let it slip to Alla in the hopes she would call off the wedding.

[Cherrio]

I almost puked up dinner watch Jorge trying to hug her.    He really is gross and pathetic. 

He made a deal with a devil and didn't come thru.    But, as another poster said, I would drive her to the airport and dump her ass with a 10 dollar bill.

Let her find her own way back to Russia.

[steff13]

What exactly is Chantel protecting with a pre-nup, anyway?  

[Samurai X]

So not only are Matt's friends and family jerks, but they have no taste in strippers. I mean, woof.

[Cherrio]

Oh, nothing to say about Chantel and Nrykia except they are both idiots.

[merylinkid]

Suuure, an attorney will drop everything to write up a prenup for two people who can barely afford the hourly rate.   And that little part about time to consult consul and not being forced to sign -- ehh no big deal.   It's just words.   It's not like they mean anything.

It's like they are taking the parts that got everyone talking from past seasons and added them to the storylines this season. 

[hisbunkie]

6 minutes ago, steff13 said:

What exactly is Chantel protecting with a pre-nup, anyway?  

Seriously! She lives in a studio, teaches cheerleading? Pedro needs to leave, now.  I don't blame HIS mother for being upset, how dare her parents insinuate he is after her money! 

[Verojama]

5 hours ago, pastaintheprincess said:

Anyone that thinks Anfisa is pretty is delusional!!! Did nobody see her without makeup, she has a minefield of pimples on her forehead and she is straight up ugly! Fake lips that don't move, fake tits that don't move, and a chunky mid section...You are all hating on Jorge because he said that one thing about women...i haven't seen ANYTHING bad that Jorge has done what so ever, but he literally has no backbone...

Chantel is absolutely disgusting in her behavior and this must be the type of woman Jorge runs in to...Pedro phone home.

Nicole needs therapy asap. Azan should be more understanding and should of known about her weight...but I agree with him that she needs to get in shape, but having her hike up a sand hill is pretty harsh. Someone that needs fries with every meal shouldn't be looking for a partner, but for the ranch dressing in her purse.

I can't remember the couples name, but the woman from the Ukraine? The guy has issues and it's fine for him to have strippers for a FOURTH bachelor party?! What kind of woman needs to go to a club...

Alla and matt...

[hisbunkie]

9 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

I almost puked up dinner watch Jorge trying to hug her.    He really is gross and pathetic. 

He made a deal with a devil and didn't come thru.    But, as another poster said, I would drive her to the airport and dump her ass with a 10 dollar bill.

Let her find her own way back to Russia.

I'm ashamed to admit that when Jorge was talking to her while she ate grapes I shouted at him to hit her.  I cannot believe I did that.  Please don't judge me, it's just her smug overly pumped marionette mouth that made me want to punch her.  

No one deserves to be treated like that.  Not even Jorge.  

[Verojama]

I agree with nicole that it will probably be the last time she sees azan.. they will not make it...

i actually feel for pedro... what prenup she doesnt have anything??

I just want anfisa to go back to russia.. i liked the preview jorge flf anfisa's legs to be spred lol

[steff13]

1 minute ago, hisbunkie said:

overly pumped marionette mouth

What is up with those lines around her mouth?  Are they a by-product of the collagen injections?  So weird. 

[sleepyjean]

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What exactly is Chantel protecting with a pre-nup, anyway?  

Her future earnings, which, if she gets a nursing degree, could be a good living. If Pedro sits on his rear and doesn't work for the next ten years, when they divorce, he could get alimony. Whatever middle class earnings she's pulling in would look pretty good to a guy who has zilch. I imagine that's exactly what her parents are trying to protect her from.

I thought it was interesting that she explained the prenup as protecting her assets, and did not say that the opposite is also true. If he learns English and gets a good job, he could make a good living too, and the prenup would protect him as well. You could argue that he'll be the one who needs financial protection, because she will be a real pain the butt when they divorce.

Edited October 31, 2016 by sleepyjean

[EvCog]

Chantel's parents throwing a prenupt out there was awesome. Looks like Pedro's going to explode soon...just as I thought.

Matt's an idiot. Sorry I couldn't tell you something you don't already know.

Jorge is even more desperate and pathetic than I thought. He just needs to be as rough and brutal as she is to him. Buy her the plane ticket and send her ass back this girl needs to get off the show ASAP.

Azan was so happy to see Nicole go. They won't see eachother in person ever again. 

Narkyia going to vietnam to retrieve a man who is openly admitting that he is marrying her for a green card is bat-shit crazy for lack of a better word. Not only that, when this guy comes to the US he'll escape into the night while Narkyia's dreaming about the perfect life their going to have. She'll be dreaming, he'll probably already be off on sexual adventures in Alabama (lol) by the time she wakes up.

[hisbunkie]

5 minutes ago, sleepyjean said:

Her future earnings, which, if she gets a nursing degree, could be a good living. If Pedro sits on his rear and doesn't work for the next ten years, when they divorce, he could get alimony. Whatever middle class earnings she's pulling in would look pretty good to a guy who has zilch. I imagine that's exactly what her parents are trying to protect her from.

That's a HUGE if.  They would have to remain married for over ten years, not have a job and prove to a Court he needs to be rehabilitated in order to work.  That does not happen in the real world.  Women who have been married for decades don't get alimony any more.  I think the parents are as delusional as their daughter.  

[merylinkid]

Not sure about Georgia law, but a lot of factors go into whether alimony is ordered or not.   It's can the person be self-supporting.   If he stays here, never learns English, never works much, well, he would have a tough time being self-supporting.   Now a judge might look at what efforts he made to be employable.  But, the reality is, if she is a nurse making good money and he would need state assistance to even eat, they are going to order alimony.  

What if she has savings?   Sure it's premarital, but it's a pain to prove it after a few years.   Better to say anything bought with pre-marital funds, even if marital funds are later used is still separate property.  

But that's just me.   I think it's smart to have a pre-nup.

[Toaster Strudel]

3 hours ago, sleepyjean said:

What the hell am I watching? This is sick.

Jorge is quite clearly a masochist.  He is a fully formed adult.  He has an overwhelming urge to be humiliated that Anfisa satisfies with the requisite disdain. 

If he wasn't  a masochist he'd laugh at her ridiculous tantrums and demands.  She's not even forceful about it. He is extraordinarily eager to submit because that's what he gets off on.

[Toaster Strudel]

I felt sorry for Matt, he said NO to the stripper, and no means no, whether you are a man or a woman.  It's like she was raping him.  Very cringeworthy.

[magemaud]

5 hours ago, sleepyjean said:

He chalks all of this up to her being "crazy"? 

In the first episodes, when Anfisa was jerking Jorge around about cancelling flights, erasing his phone, computer, etc. his reaction was to LAUGH and say "She's just crazy!" Apparently she's gone from amusingly crazy to certifiable. He's lucky she didn't slap him when he was pawing at her. 

Nicole's sunburn on her last night in Morocco looked pretty severe but it was gone by the very next day at the airport? 

Is Chantel's jaw wired shut? 

[lasandi]

5 hours ago, Cranky One said:

Azan's thought bubble..."Thank the world she's gone!!!"

Word, Cranky One, word.  LOL

[millennium]

3 hours ago, Toaster Strudel said:

I felt sorry for Matt, he said NO to the stripper, and no means no, whether you are a man or a woman.  It's like she was raping him.  Very cringeworthy.

Anfisa said NO to Jorge, and no means no, but he kept trying to bearhug her even as she tried to wriggle away.   It was gross to watch.  Maybe he should have popped some Tic Tacs first.

I don't blame Anfisa at all.   She came here for a business arrangement.  Period.  She made no secret of it.   She has not sought romance from Jorge.   Jorge however has failed to hold up his end of the arrangement and is now trying to weasel out by whining that she doesn't love him but he loves her, boo hoo.   He's a big phony.  He knew the deal but counted on Anfisa being so hot for a green card that she'd suck it up when he couldn't deliver the bling.   He probably can't even afford a ticket back for her.

Speaking of Anfisa, does anyone think it's possible she lied about her age and in fact may be younger, maybe as young as 17?

I can't even discuss the Nigerian jerk.   The whole storyline is insulting to my intelligence.   The thought of Narkyia trussed up in pink fuzzy handcuffs, her mouth stuffed with cupcakes, was more than I could bear.

That aborted lap dance scene was pretty seedy.   Men can be disgusting.

Edited October 31, 2016 by millennium

[millennium]

3 hours ago, EvCog said:

Chantel's parents throwing a prenupt out there was awesome. Looks like Pedro's going to explode soon...just as I thought.

 

Funny how Pedro came to life, and was suddenly very interested in what was being said, once it became clear that he might be cut off from Chantal's income.    I don't trust that guy for a second.   But I did love the awkward silences in the confessional with Pedro and Chantal, especially when Chantal looked away with an expression on her face like "Is this really worth it?"

[Brooklynista]

7 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Matt: I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen.

It's your 4th bachelor party dude. Surely you have SOME idea.

That stripper was rough looking.  Damn. 

For a 4th wedding he's lucky he got Agnes the aging stripper.  If I was paying for a 4th stripper for Matt, he would have had Danielle climbing on that bus in tassles.  She can use the money to fund her tour of America following Mo around.

Also why was she barefoot? Does Aerosole not have an exotic dancer line.

[poeticlicensed]

7 hours ago, steff13 said:

Oh my goodness, she looked awful. 

I was thinking meth the entire time she was on-screen

As far as the prenuptial, um he's on a k1. Which means that she already agreed to financially support him. Unless she has assets somewhere, I really don't see the point. 

[Landlord]

8 hours ago, Virtually Me said:

It appears to be for Happily Ever After, or, maybe both.  They showed a teaser about Dani and Mo.  Mo was saying that Dani was screaming at him that she wanted sex lol

 

7 hours ago, liammaam said:

I have to agree with the person above who said watching Anfisa and Jorge is no longer entertaining.  She is cruel, and he is a wuss.  Also, the forced hug thing was REALLY uncomfortable to watch, both from a "holy crap, she's so mean!" standpoint, and a "NO MEANS NO, MOTHER FUCKER" standpoint.  

Patrick is a douche nugget from hell.

Holy hell, don't get me started on Patrick. He was a jerkwad in the garage, and the way he was forcing Matt to stay seated for the stripper in the bus? Someone needs to knock him in the teeth, just a little. He's a dick, and with friends like that, no one needs enemies. 

[Landlord]

2 hours ago, millennium said:

Anfisa said NO to Jorge, and no means no, but he kept trying to bearhug her even as she tried to wriggle away.   It was gross to watch.  Maybe he should have popped some Tic Tacs first.

I don't blame Anfisa at all.   She came here for a business arrangement.  Period.  She made no secret of it.   She has not sought romance from Jorge.   Jorge however has failed to hold up his end of the arrangement and is now trying to weasel out by whining that she doesn't love him but he loves her, boo hoo.   He's a big phony.  He knew the deal but counted on Anfisa being so hot for a green card that she'd suck it up when he couldn't deliver the bling.   He probably can't even afford a ticket back for her.

Speaking of Anfisa, does anyone think it's possible she lied about her age and in fact may be younger, maybe as young as 17?

I can't even discuss the Nigerian jerk.   The whole storyline is insulting to my intelligence.   The thought of Narkyia trussed up in pink fuzzy handcuffs, her mouth stuffed with cupcakes, was more than I could bear.

That aborted lap dance scene was pretty seedy.   Men can be disgusting.

Would somewhat make sense. Show up, with no intention to marry, grab as much as you can in terms of gift and money, leave. A 45k dress and a 300k ring go a long way...

[LocalGovt]

Anfisa is everything that's wrong with society.

[millennium]

6 minutes ago, LocalGovt said:

Anfisa is everything that's wrong with society.

Whoa.  Let's not forget that Jorge's a lying, self-indulgent pig who leveraged a green card -- a key to our nation -- as a means to score a woman way out of his league.    And if he finds himself in a pickle now, it's his own fault.   Jorge whining that Anfisa doesn't love him elicits the same sympathy I'd have for someone who gets robbed by a prostitute -- in other words, none.

[DangerousMinds]

57 minutes ago, Brooklynista said:

For a 4th wedding he's lucky he got Agnes the aging stripper.  If I was paying for a 4th stripper for Matt, he would have had Danielle climbing on that bus in tassles.  She can use the money to fund her tour of America following Mo around.

Also why was she barefoot? Does Aerosole not have an exotic dancer line.

Hey, maybe they wanted someone age-appropriate for Matt . . .

3 hours ago, millennium said:

Anfisa said NO to Jorge, and no means no, but he kept trying to bearhug her even as she tried to wriggle away.   It was gross to watch.  Maybe he should have popped some Tic Tacs first.

I don't blame Anfisa at all.   She came here for a business arrangement.  Period.  She made no secret of it.   She has not sought romance from Jorge.   Jorge however has failed to hold up his end of the arrangement and is now trying to weasel out by whining that she doesn't love him but he loves her, boo hoo.   He's a big phony.  He knew the deal but counted on Anfisa being so hot for a green card that she'd suck it up when he couldn't deliver the bling.   He probably can't even afford a ticket back for her.

Speaking of Anfisa, does anyone think it's possible she lied about her age and in fact may be younger, maybe as young as 17?

I can't even discuss the Nigerian jerk.   The whole storyline is insulting to my intelligence.   The thought of Narkyia trussed up in pink fuzzy handcuffs, her mouth stuffed with cupcakes, was more than I could bear.

That aborted lap dance scene was pretty seedy.   Men can be disgusting.

Yet she was whining about him not bringing her flowers, etc? That is a romantic gesture IMO. And he hasn't "proposed?" You are here on a fiance visa!

[millennium]

14 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Yet she was whining about him not bringing her flowers, etc? That is a romantic gesture IMO. And he hasn't "proposed?" You are here on a fiance visa!

For Anfisa, "romance" = amount of dollars spent.   "Proposed" = $150,000 ring.   It's all business. 

Edited October 31, 2016 by millennium

[jumper sage]

11 hours ago, sleepyjean said:

I don't know. Matt actually showed some cojones (small ones) by not going along with the stripper. It would've been better if he had walked out entirely, but there may be some hope for him. That was a rough-looking stripper though. Why were they doing all of that in the bus?

 

Narkiya flying to Vietnam is beyond stupid. Or rather, Narkiya taking unpaid leave, spending whatever it costs to get a last minute ticket to Vietnam, and allowing her son to watch her chase after her bald-faced liar of a fiance is beyond stupid.Going to another country because you think he may be lying is a HUGE sign that there are major issues. If you don't trust a man's word, you don't marry him.  UGH. These people.

For Matt to have a 4th bachelor party is beyond stupid.  Our family/friends are not big on bachelor/bachelorette parties.  The best one was when my sister and her then fiance held a dual one on my brother's property, with a pig roast, rented casino night type tables and it was for all adults in the family/friends.  It was very nice.  It's been about 20 years and everyone still talk about it.

The Nigerian prince cracks me up.  This has to be "15 minutes of fame" for Ikea, sorry Narkiya, she can't be this stupid.  She can't.  My favorite part is when he was setting up the hotel room from items from party city.  Loved the printed out pics on the door.  Nothings says love like cupcakes on a bed.

10 hours ago, sleepyjean said:

Wow, it is no longer entertaining to watch Jorge and Anfisa. This episode, watching their interaction just made really uncomfortable. This is clearly a really twisted situation. It's one thing when she is blunt and brutally honest, but she was being deliberately cruel. Not to mention childish in the way she was mimicking him and laughing in his face. And he just took it, like whipped puppy. He actually knocked on the door before entering his own apartment, and started apologizing before he was even in the door. He's still so desperate to keep her, despite her obvious hatred for him.

What the hell am I watching? This is sick.

How many times has she told him she is there for the money?  A million?  Believe her!

I like Pedro and I think he got the loony tune.  

Edited October 31, 2016 by jumper sage

[trimthatfat]

I don't care if Jorge promised Anfisa a million dollars a month - her treatment of him is disgusting. I am just imagining a man being cruel to his girlfriend in the same manner and outcry that would follow. Anfisa is a jerk who gets off on making Jorge look stupid. I want Jorge to hand her a one way ticket to Russia and tell her good riddance. I don't even like Jorge and think he's an idiot, but I get no joy from watching how he's treated. I will be skipping their scenes going forward. Anfisa doesn't deserve any praise. I almost wish Jorge had kicked her out instead. She's not an attractive woman inside or out. And it's funny that she keeps saying she just wants money, but she repeatedly bitched that Jorge did not bring her flowers and didn't have a genuine apology prepared. I would think she wouldn't care for such things. Jorge should have called her bluff...her ass isn't going anywhere.

Matt's stripper was...yikes. And his friends are assholes. Forcing a half naked woman on the man while saying rude things about his future wife was low. Someone asked about the stripper being shoeless - I think it's because the bus was moving? Probably didn't want to get injured.

 All of this talk about Azan's culture, but he admits to not praying like he's supposed to and he's dating a woman who will never wear a hijab or dress as modestly as the women in his family. Something about him isn't right at all. He's saying what he thinks he should, but his body language is saying something else entirely. 

Edited October 31, 2016 by trimthatfat

[MrSmith]

Anyone that thinks Anfisa is pretty is delusional!!! Did nobody see her without makeup, she has a minefield of pimples on her forehead and she is straight up ugly! Fake lips that don't move, fake tits that don't move, and a chunky mid section...You are all hating on Jorge because he said that one thing about women...i haven't seen ANYTHING bad that Jorge has done what so ever, but he literally has no backbone...

Chantel is absolutely disgusting in her behavior and this must be the type of woman Jorge runs in to...Pedro phone home.

Nicole needs therapy asap. Azan should be more understanding and should of known about her weight...but I agree with him that she needs to get in shape, but having her hike up a sand hill is pretty harsh. Someone that needs fries with every meal shouldn't be looking for a partner, but for the ranch dressing in her purse.

I can't remember the couples name, but the woman from the Ukraine? The guy has issues and it's fine for him to have strippers for a FOURTH bachelor party?! What kind of woman needs to go to a club...

"What kind of woman needs to go to a club..."
ORLY? My wife still goes out to clubs now and then, usually with her sisters when they have time together. And I have absolutely no problem with it. Of course, I'm secure in the knowledge that my wife *chooses* to be with me every day and so will *choose* to come home to me rather than step out. There's nothing wrong with a woman, even a married one, going to clubs to have some fun. I don't like the music or the volume at clubs and I'm not that good a dancer. My wife enjoys the music and the dancing and she should be able to go when time/finances/whatever permit. To intimate that doing such things makes you less faithful or whatever is just wrong, judgmental, condescending, self-righteous or some combination of all those.

[DangerousMinds]

1 minute ago, MrSmith said:

"What kind of woman needs to go to a club..."
ORLY? My wife still goes out to clubs now and then, usually with her sisters when they have time together. And I have absolutely no problem with it. Of course, I'm secure in the knowledge that my wife *chooses* to be with me every day and so will *choose* to come home to me rather than step out. There's nothing wrong with a woman, even a married one, going to clubs to have some fun. I don't like the music or the volume at clubs and I'm not that good a dancer. My wife enjoys the music and the dancing and she should be able to go when time/finances/whatever permit. To intimate that doing such things makes you less faithful or whatever is just wrong, judgmental, condescending, self-righteous or some combination of all those.

thank you!!!!!

13 hours ago, pastaintheprincess said:

Anyone that thinks Anfisa is pretty is delusional!!! Did nobody see her without makeup, she has a minefield of pimples on her forehead and she is straight up ugly! Fake lips that don't move, fake tits that don't move, and a chunky mid section...You are all hating on Jorge because he said that one thing about women...i haven't seen ANYTHING bad that Jorge has done what so ever, but he literally has no backbone...

Chantel is absolutely disgusting in her behavior and this must be the type of woman Jorge runs in to...Pedro phone home.

Nicole needs therapy asap. Azan should be more understanding and should of known about her weight...but I agree with him that she needs to get in shape, but having her hike up a sand hill is pretty harsh. Someone that needs fries with every meal shouldn't be looking for a partner, but for the ranch dressing in her purse.

I can't remember the couples name, but the woman from the Ukraine? The guy has issues and it's fine for him to have strippers for a FOURTH bachelor party?! What kind of woman needs to go to a club...

So overweight people (or simply those with questionable eating habits) can't look for relationships? What about people who smoke? 

[CofCinci]

1 hour ago, LocalGovt said:

Anfisa is everything that's wrong with society.

Is she?  Anfisa has been completely honest about what she expects.  Jorge wanted a relationship with a woman he could easily exploit and control.  Why do men like Matt, Jorge, Mike (S1), and Mark (S3) seek out these type of relationships?  Power and control imbalance.  They want to have something they can fuck when then they want without it having the means to leave.  Jorge is what is wrong with society.  

[Cherrio]

I found it very telling that Azan looks away every time he says I love you or miss you. Lie much?

                 I do think Jorge inflated his net worth and spending power to Anfisa.   I really think he is as delusional as Danielle in that he thought she would change and love him for him.

[Granny58]

7 hours ago, Toaster Strudel said:

I felt sorry for Matt, he said NO to the stripper, and no means no, whether you are a man or a woman.  It's like she was raping him.  Very cringeworthy.

Completely true and it was so inappropriate...and his jerk friend Patrick was awful for arranging it and trying to mess with the wedding plans.  However, every man I know would have been more confidant and forceful in saying "no," not just sit there and take it and whine and cringe.  I think he had the right intention, just not enough gumption to really speak his mind.  

[Cranky One]

9 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Matt: I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen.

It's your 4th bachelor party dude. Surely you have SOME idea.

That stripper was rough looking.  Damn. 

She probably thought she's gonna be famous after being on TV. Her bookings at the Elks Lodge are through the roof and is now on A Touch of Elegance's recommended stripper list!

5 hours ago, lasandi said:

Word, Cranky One, word.  LOL

I think I may have even seen him skip a little as he walked away!  Newsflash to Nicole...if Azan DID shed a tear at your departure, it was a tear of pure joy!

[millennium]

1 hour ago, trimthatfat said:

 Anfisa is a jerk who gets off on making Jorge look stupid.

The only person who makes Jorge look stupid is Jorge.    

[operalover]

20 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

 

                 I do think Jorge inflated his net worth and spending power to Anfisa.   I really think he is as delusional as Danielle in that he thought she would change and love him for him.

I think Jorge makes about $150,000-$175,000 a year.    A single guy with no dependents, no house, no kids, no wife has a lot of disposable income on that salary. He can go to nice dinners out and buy a few nice things and drive a nice car.  But he is not a rich man who can afford a $300,000 ring or a house in LA with a pool. She thought he was a millionaire or billionaire or made $800,000 a year.  Now she sees he is not rich enough and so is figuring out how to find a wealthier man. She is worried if she goes back and has to start all over. If she can fake it with him, then maybe she can meet another man (is what she is thinking) and the whole thing has her in a bad mood. 

Edited October 31, 2016 by operalover

[DangerousMinds]

But she is doing a terrible job of faking it.

[Pepper Mostly]

Azan practically shoving Nicole through the gate was gold. "Bye honey! Bye! I love you! Bye, you have to go!" I laughed heartily. He's a terrible actor and he can barely be bothered to try--I think even dim bulb Nicole is starting to get the message.

Matt's friends are horrible people, the end. Poor Matt had that hopeful look on his face, like a bullied kid who's been told he can sit at the cool kids table. Not realizing that he was being set up. Charlie Brown and the football in real life. He lets these assholes get away with their shabby treatment of him, and comes back like a kicked puppy, wagging his tail, forgiving everything. He allows it so they keep it up.

Anfisa mechanically eating one grape after another, as Jorge groveled and whined? Wowza. I loved and hated it in equal measure. And she remembers what the fight was about, all right. She doesn't want to say.

Team Pedro. Chantel, I don't get what she wants, and I don't get why she had to make an appointment with her parents through her brother. Why not pick up the phone or go over their house? Why all this drama? I can't stand any of these people. Pedro should get out while he can. He's not just taking on crazy pie Chantel, who apparently can't, at the age of 25, speak honestly to her parents but continues to interact with them like she's a rebellious 15 year old, but her whole over invested family as well.

[fountain]

I would have liked Pedro to say "sure I'll sign a prenup, that will protect my earnings too".  Then he could watch Chantal's parent's heads spin.  After all there isn't anything to indicate Pedro plans to live off Chantal, at least not to me.  He seems like a decent guy.