Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[emmawoodhouse]

I was just watching the Westminster Dog Show when Fenna's breed was shown. The purebreed is bulkier and the coat is fuller than Fenna's. But I can see how the shelter called her a mix. There were more similarities than differences.

Edited June 13, 2021 by emmawoodhouse

[auntieminem]

The insta story shows Sam riding his bike like a pro. Very cute. Fenna is such a pretty and good dog. Glad they made past the hard parts of new puppy adjustments. I know they have lots of fundie baggage but it is nice to see a Duggar  grand riding a bike on sidewalks. Oh I see the neighbor has a for sale sign if you want to be a sweet friend to the Dillards. 

[BigBingerBro]

[JoanArc]

Stretch those noodle arms, Derrick!

[Lady Whistleup]

Ok whether you like Jill or not, I think she's exceeded expectations in her care for Fenna. Fenna isn't just stuck in some doghouse in the backyard. Fenna is taken on walks, given obedience lessons, and is obviously a beloved member of the family. 

Granted Fenna seems like an easy dog to take care of -- she seems very gentle and good with kids. But still. When I think of poor Brielle, I clap my hands for Jill's care of Fenna.

[BitterApple]

14 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Ok whether you like Jill or not, I think she's exceeded expectations in her care for Fenna. Fenna isn't just stuck in some doghouse in the backyard. Fenna is taken on walks, given obedience lessons, and is obviously a beloved member of the family. 

Granted Fenna seems like an easy dog to take care of -- she seems very gentle and good with kids. But still. When I think of poor Brielle, I clap my hands for Jill's care of Fenna.

Did Joy ever say what happened to Brielle? The dog is never in the background of  videos, and I don't notice dishes, toys, beds or any other assorted pet clutter. I wonder if they dumped her or just let her run away. 

 

[xwordfanatik]

1 hour ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Ok whether you like Jill or not, I think she's exceeded expectations in her care for Fenna. Fenna isn't just stuck in some doghouse in the backyard. Fenna is taken on walks, given obedience lessons, and is obviously a beloved member of the family. 

Granted Fenna seems like an easy dog to take care of -- she seems very gentle and good with kids. But still. When I think of poor Brielle, I clap my hands for Jill's care of Fenna.

I'm happy that she values their dog, too.  Her boys will really benefit.

[Joan of Argh]

1 hour ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Ok whether you like Jill or not, I think she's exceeded expectations in her care for Fenna. Fenna isn't just stuck in some doghouse in the backyard. Fenna is taken on walks, given obedience lessons, and is obviously a beloved member of the family. 

Granted Fenna seems like an easy dog to take care of -- she seems very gentle and good with kids. But still. When I think of poor Brielle, I clap my hands for Jill's care of Fenna.

I wish I could like your post a million times!

Jill has problems but she’s proving to be the best mom of the bunch, both to her boys and to Fenna.❤️

[Lady Whistleup]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Did Joy ever say what happened to Brielle? The dog is never in the background of  videos, and I don't notice dishes, toys, beds or any other assorted pet clutter. I wonder if they dumped her or just let her run away. 

Sadly no. I bet poor Brielle was just abandoned in some shelter. Hopefully she found a good home. Poor Brielle. 

[BigBingerBro]

Brielle was/is more of a hunting dog than a famly pet.  If she still exists, she is probably chained outside or in an outdoor kennel

[Lady Whistleup]

15 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

Brielle was/is more of a hunting dog than a famly pet.  If she still exists, she is probably chained outside or in an outdoor kennel

That's actually not the right role for any dog. All dogs need affection, comfort, and stimulation Just being chained outside creates mean, neurotic dogs. I hope they gave Brielle to someone better equipped to care for her.

[Gigi43]

2 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Ok whether you like Jill or not, I think she's exceeded expectations in her care for Fenna. Fenna isn't just stuck in some doghouse in the backyard. Fenna is taken on walks, given obedience lessons, and is obviously a beloved member of the family. 

Granted Fenna seems like an easy dog to take care of -- she seems very gentle and good with kids. But still. When I think of poor Brielle, I clap my hands for Jill's care of Fenna.

 

And luckily it seems nothing happened from being fed two year old breast milk. That's still irresponsible and the risk was taken with Fenna's health though nothing happened. I can't give someone credit for doing the basics of dog ownership anymore than I applaud parents for playing with their children--- it's what you should do. 

[Crochetlady]

Just now, Gigi43 said:

 

And luckily it seems nothing happened from being fed two year old breast milk. That's still irresponsible and the risk was taken with Fenna's health though nothing happened. I can't give someone credit for doing the basics of dog ownership anymore than I applaud parents for playing with their children--- it's what you should do. 

But the Duggars have such a low bar and such a horrible track record of doing the basics, Jills a big step up. 

[Lady Whistleup]

27 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

 

And luckily it seems nothing happened from being fed two year old breast milk. That's still irresponsible and the risk was taken with Fenna's health though nothing happened. I can't give someone credit for doing the basics of dog ownership anymore than I applaud parents for playing with their children--- it's what you should do. 

It's not a big deal to give dogs milk. My cat and dog drink milk all the time.

[Gigi43]

48 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

It's not a big deal to give dogs milk. My cat and dog drink milk all the time.

 

It was two year old frozen breast milk, and the maximum recommended freezing time for breast milk is 12 months. She was going to give it to Sam first but he didn't want it (good call Sam.) That's a pretty big deal.

[farmgal4]

22 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

 

It was two year old frozen breast milk, and the maximum recommended freezing time for breast milk is 12 months. She was going to give it to Sam first but he didn't want it (good call Sam.) That's a pretty big deal.

Do you realize what feral dogs and cats eat and drink?  With all due respect, if Fenna didn’t get sick or die, it’s not a big deal.

[Gemma Violet]

On 6/13/2021 at 5:08 PM, farmgal4 said:

Do you realize what feral dogs and cats eat and drink?  With all due respect, if Fenna didn’t get sick or die, it’s not a big deal.

Yeah, when I was young I had a dog who'd gobble up anything and everything he'd find on our walks before I could grab it away from him: a rubber jacks ball, a piece of window screen, a broken off piece of picket fence, a used brillo pad, not to mention his own poop.  I believe it when people say dogs have cast iron stomachs.  Old breast milk won't hurt Fenna.  She looks happy and well cared for.  

Edited June 15, 2021 by Gemma Violet

[Lady Whistleup]

1 hour ago, Gigi43 said:

 

It was two year old frozen breast milk, and the maximum recommended freezing time for breast milk is 12 months. She was going to give it to Sam first but he didn't want it (good call Sam.) That's a pretty big deal.

I've had two year old ice cream. As I said, not a big deal IMO. Certainly not enough to call the pet welfare society.

[Dehumidifier]

36 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I've had two year old ice cream. As I said, not a big deal IMO. Certainly not enough to call the pet welfare society.

I cooked my two-year old frozen ravioli a few weeks ago. Still here.

[lookeyloo]

This is a funny topic. Dogs eat their own poop and will eat litter coated cat poop.  Grand puppies would eat used tissues if we weren’t careful. 

[GeeGolly]

Y'all are brave. I don't keep anything frozen after 6 months.

I'm not on the Fenna is being treated like Queen Dog bandwagon yet. The picture of Fenna drinking the breastmilk, was outside, so it seems she eats outside. I believe in the video of Izzy losing his tooth Fenna and her kennel were outside. It seems AR summer weather is similar to New England and I imagine Fenna must get very hot if she lives or spends the majority of time outside.

But Fenna is still with the Dillards and still getting some attention after 4 months, so there's that.

Edited June 14, 2021 by GeeGolly

[Zella]

5 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

AR summer weather is similar to New England and I imagine Fenna must get very hot if she lives or spends the majority of time outside.

And if anything, it's probably even more miserable down here due to the heat and humidity! It's been really uncomfortable here this past week. Like, to the point everyone has been bitching. Feels more like August than early June. 

[GeeGolly]

2 minutes ago, Zella said:

And if anything, it's probably even more miserable down here due to the heat and humidity! It's been really uncomfortable here this past week. Like, to the point everyone has been bitching. Feels more like August than early June. 

We had our first heatwave last week - 4 hot and humid days in the 90s. Our granddog went out to poop and pee and was right back inside. Today it reached the 80s - humid 80s. The granddog didn't last more than a half hour before she asked to go in.

Hopefully Fenna tolerates heat better than our little pup.

[xwordfanatik]

My daughter's beloved dog crossed the rainbow bridge recently, and he was at least 15 years old.  They adopted him when a friend moved into a no-pets apartment 11 years ago, and he was at least 5 then.  He regularly ate cat turds from her cat's litter box, and didn't seem to suffer for it, although he wasn't allowed to lick anyone's face!

That said, unless Fenna is still a puppy, she may not need any kind of milk.  They should probably feed her dog food and water only, unless a vet tells them otherwise.

[Zella]

 

5 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

We had our first heatwave last week - 4 hot and humid days in the 90s. Our granddog went out to poop and pee and was right back inside. Today it reached the 80s - humid 80s. The granddog didn't last more than a half hour before she asked to go in.

Hopefully Fenna tolerates heat better than our little pup.

It's been in the 90s here too. One day last week the humidity was 82%. I don't handle heat well and basically spend most of the summer indoors. What really sucks is we had a very mild spring, and I thought between that and the record-setting low winter temps that we were in for a cooler summer. Nope. 

I have to wonder about Fenna with her coat though. My dad has a Malinois, and she has a very thick coat. If Fenna is like his dog, I'd imagine Arkansas summers are going to be pretty uncomfortable for her, unfortunately. 

Edited June 14, 2021 by Zella

[sixlets]

1 hour ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I've had two year old ice cream. As I said, not a big deal IMO. Certainly not enough to call the pet welfare society.

Why didn't you tell us earlier that you were at Jessa & Bin's birthday celebration for Ivy?!!  Is the couch really that bad?  Spill everything (just not the ice cream).

[Quilt Fairy]

2 hours ago, Zella said:

Feels more like August than early June. 

You just described the last 2 weeks in Chicago.  

2 hours ago, Zella said:

I don't handle heat well and basically spend most of the summer indoors.

You just described me.  

[auntieminem]

Heck, why am I spending lots of money to give my 14 yo raw goat milk with every meal (approved by my vet as is the raw diet I feed her) when Jill could just send me her left over breast milk.  I buy it frozen in cartons from a raw/natural dog food company or when available from a friend in the form of kefir.  Though I am sure the Dillards are doing  wrong things with Fenna, as I did with my first dog, the milk is not a big deal and hopefully they will learn more about caring for her. She seems happy and is getting lots of attention. 

[Gigi43]

13 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I've had two year old ice cream. As I said, not a big deal IMO. Certainly not enough to call the pet welfare society.

 

I never said a word about calling animal welfare society. I was just giving an opinion that I think its irresponsible to give a dog or child something twice as old as the CDC says its good for. They make those guidelines for a reason. I'm never going to accept just because dogs can eat worse and nothing happened it justifies knowingly giving the dog something very expired. I think it'll only encourage her to keep giving Fenna bad things until something bad happens and dogs stomachs are not invincible. Chocolate is toxic for dogs but I can see Jill not caring and giving her some since the old milk was fine, because she'll probably read somewhere about a dog eating weird household things and think its fine until Fenna lands at the vet. Dogs do have to get their stomachs pumped at times. 

 

What adults put in their body i don't  care about. 

 

We've had a heatwave already where I am and my dog isn’t out much. I hope they're not leaving Fenna outside. I don't care there are stray dogs outside anymore than I care there are dogs who eat shit, you don't lock out something you claim to care about because dogs can get heatstroke. I wouldn’t be surprised if Derick and Jill take nice pet owner picks for sm and then leave her outside otherwise. I think they've gotten savvy at how to present themselves on sm to deflect from the fact they're still idiots. 

[Lady Whistleup]

24 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

 

I never said a word about calling animal welfare society. I was just giving an opinion that I think its irresponsible to give a dog or child something twice as old as the CDC says its good for. They make those guidelines for a reason. I'm never going to accept just because dogs can eat worse and nothing happened it justifies knowingly giving the dog something very expired. I think it'll only encourage her to keep giving Fenna bad things until something bad happens and dogs stomachs are not invincible. Chocolate is toxic for dogs but I can see Jill not caring and giving her some since the old milk was fine, because she'll probably read somewhere about a dog eating weird household things and think its fine until Fenna lands at the vet. Dogs do have to get their stomachs pumped at times. 

Dogs will be fine. They have a very strong GI system -- more so than humans. But I think the disgust over the breast milk is because of one of the weirdest societal disgusts about a woman producing milk. To this day I don't get why breast milk produces such visceral disgust in people.

If Jill gave Fenna two year old beef jerky it wouldn't be considered a big deal. But society loves to milk shame people. (I think I lost track but almond milk might be the only acceptable milk now?)

[Fosca]

I suspect the CDC has that recommendation for breast milk less about its potential toxic properties with age and more because it probably has zero nutritional value after that long in the freezer.  The freezer will inhibit bacterial growth, and the dog doesn't need the nutrition from the breast milk, so she's fine.  As others have stated, I've eaten very old ice cream and frozen meat and other such things and been fine.

[GeeGolly]

52 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Dogs will be fine. They have a very strong GI system -- more so than humans. But I think the disgust over the breast milk is because of one of the weirdest societal disgusts about a woman producing milk. To this day I don't get why breast milk produces such visceral disgust in people.

If Jill gave Fenna two year old beef jerky it wouldn't be considered a big deal. But society loves to milk shame people. (I think I lost track but almond milk might be the only acceptable milk now?)

While I think there's absolutely no reason to give a dog human milk, I think you're a bit off base accusing posters of being weirded out (or worse) by breast milk. 

And I for one would think giving any dog two year old beef jerky would be stupid too. 

Dogs are not floor cleaners for kitchens either, which Jill has mentioned. Here's a short list of what is toxic for dogs. Food items that I'm sure are present in the Dillard household. If Jill is going to carelessly offer Fenna breastmilk, what other poor judgment will she show? 

 

[Lady Whistleup]

16 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

While I think there's absolutely no reason to give a dog human milk, I think you're a bit off base accusing posters of being weirded out (or worse) by breast milk. 

And I for one would think giving any dog two year old beef jerky would be stupid too. 

Dogs are not floor cleaners for kitchens either, which Jill has mentioned. Here's a short list of what is toxic for dogs. Food items that I'm sure are present in the Dillard household. If Jill is going to carelessly offer Fenna breastmilk, what other poor judgment will she show? 

 

I just don;t think this hysteria is warranted. Fenna seems well cared for and fine. I've eaten old ice cream in the freezer, and I've been fine. Over 2 years old. It's really not that big of a deal.

I have a dog and cat and would hate to think about the shaming I'd receive if I had a lot of followers because my cat definitely drinks milk and my dog also ate lots of food scraps and left overs.

I also hate to think that this will trigger some sort of vigilante justice where ppl online try to get Fenna rehomed. I think that will be terrible.

As for breast milk, the phobia is real. My school has a breast pumping room. Or had. A supervisor decided it was "disgusting" and told women to go to the bathroom to pump.

Edited June 14, 2021 by Lady Whistleup

[lilwhitelion]

Re: Fenna's coat.  Malinois are double-coated.  Fenna's undercoat will actually help her stay cooler in hot months.  Sort of acts like a barrier to the skin so the heat is kept off her.  My daughter has a husky, so we became very familiar with double-coated dogs.  I once met a couple at the dog park who had a husky they traveled the states with.  They shaved her when they were in Texas.  I didn't have the heart to tell them they really hurt their dog's ability to regulate her temperature.  Double-coated breeds 'blow out' twice a year and should never be shaved.

[GeeGolly]

10 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I just don;t think this hysteria is warranted. Fenna seems well cared for and fine. I've eaten old ice cream in the freezer, and I've been fine. Over 2 years old. It's really not that big of a deal.

I have a dog and cat and would hate to think about the shaming I'd receive if I had a lot of followers because my cat definitely drinks milk and my dog also ate lots of food scraps and left overs.

I also hate to think that this will trigger some sort of vigilante justice where ppl online try to get Fenna rehomed. I think that will be terrible.

As for breast milk, the phobia is real. My school has a breast pumping room. Or had. A supervisor decided it was "disgusting" and told women to go to the bathroom to pump.

I think going from calling feeding a dog two year old breastmilk stupid to calling the SPCA is a giant leap.

So sorry that folks in your area are so hung up on breastfeeding. While I know many out there are squeamish of public breastfeeding, far more seem to be very supportive. At least in my area. And still, accusing posters here of having a hang up about breastmilk is unfair, IMO.

But Jill (thankfully) didn't supply the milk directly from her breast. I think we would all agree, that would be totally out there.

Edited June 14, 2021 by GeeGolly

[rue721]

I think it's weird to give a dog your own breast milk.... I mean, I know dogs are the new babies, but come on! 🤣

That said, when I was volunteering at the SPCA years ago, a woman did call in saying she had tons of breast milk that she wanted to donate to the kittens and puppies. The supervisor said no, that babies should drink their own species' breast milk. So Jill isn't the first person to wonder about this!

I don't think it's unsafe for Fenna to drink Jill's old frozen breast milk... just weird and awkward as hell 🤣 It seems like a very intimate thing to do with your dog!

[Lady Whistleup]

12 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I think going from calling feeding a dog two year old breastmilk stupid to calling the SPCA is a giant leap.

So sorry that folks in your area are so hung up on breastfeeding. While I know many out there are squeamish of public breastfeeding, far more seem to be very supportive. At least in my area. And still, accusing posters here of having a hang up about breastmilk is unfair, IMO.

But Jill (thankfully) didn't supply the milk directly from her breast. I think we would all agree, that would be totally out there.

Well I think people are in general very squeamish about breast milk. Like if she had just said "Fenna got some milk" it wouldn't have been a huge firestorm. But breast milk is somehow thought of as dirty and unclean.

Breastmilk discrimination is actually a thing at many workplaces and women get accused of "public indecency" for pumping milk.

I also don't think Fenna looks like a  Belgian mal. She doesn't have the black saddle coat of a Mal. She looks more like a Heinz 57 "brown dog". 

[BitterApple]

50 minutes ago, lilwhitelion said:

Re: Fenna's coat.  Malinois are double-coated.  Fenna's undercoat will actually help her stay cooler in hot months.  Sort of acts like a barrier to the skin so the heat is kept off her.  My daughter has a husky, so we became very familiar with double-coated dogs.  I once met a couple at the dog park who had a husky they traveled the states with.  They shaved her when they were in Texas.  I didn't have the heart to tell them they really hurt their dog's ability to regulate her temperature.  Double-coated breeds 'blow out' twice a year and should never be shaved.

We have a double coated dog as well, a Central Asian Shepherd. During his blowout phase, it looks like a toy store's worth of stuffed animals exploded all over our yard. 

With regards to Jill, I don't think giving Fenna breast milk ranks high on the list of horrible ways people treat pets, but it is a little....odd. Most people would've tossed it. Social media is a small blip of peoples' overall lives, but it seems like the Dillards are doing more things right than they are wrong. 

 

[Spazamanaz]

Why would she have 2 year old breast milk in her freezer to begin with? Did she forget about? Does she not clean out her freezer? And doesn't frozen breast milk expire after six months? I always thought that you can store it in the freezer for up to six months. 

[Dehumidifier]

57 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

 

I also don't think Fenna looks like a  Belgian mal. She doesn't have the black saddle coat of a Mal. She looks more like a Heinz 57 "brown dog". 

Me too. 

[Gigi43]

1 hour ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I just don;t think this hysteria is warranted. Fenna seems well cared for and fine. I've eaten old ice cream in the freezer, and I've been fine. Over 2 years old. It's really not that big of a deal.

I have a dog and cat and would hate to think about the shaming I'd receive if I had a lot of followers because my cat definitely drinks milk and my dog also ate lots of food scraps and left overs.

I also hate to think that this will trigger some sort of vigilante justice where ppl online try to get Fenna rehomed. I think that will be terrible.

As for breast milk, the phobia is real. My school has a breast pumping room. Or had. A supervisor decided it was "disgusting" and told women to go to the bathroom to pump.

 

Are people trying to get the dog removed on other sites? If so missed that, I've just seen comments.  No one here has, at all. Criticism isn't hysteria. If people are getting to trying to get  the dog removed that's too far. When you post your life online you open yourself up to people disagreeing with your choices especially when it involves expired products. I have no problem with breast milk. If Jill gave her dog or child anything that was a year past expiration I would have an issue with it. People have different  views and i wasn't even going to comment further but you're assuming motivates, which isn't cool and definitely isn't mine. 

Edited June 14, 2021 by Gigi43

[absnow54]

I saw this thread was "Hot" and thought Jill had announced she was pregnant. Never in a million years did I think the topic of discussion would be feeding pets breastmilk that had been sitting in the back of a freezer for 2 years!

[Lady Whistleup]

I'm not assuming motivation, just an observation that people often have an irrational, visceral disgust towards breast milk and I don't get that at all.  We celebrate motherhood and are then grossed out by a part of motherhood. 

And not here but I definitely saw a lot of "ew breast milk is gross" posts on reddit which IMO is more body-shaming of mothers.

[Suzn]

52 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

We have a double coated dog as well, a Central Asian Shepherd. During his blowout phase, it looks like a toy store's worth of stuffed animals exploded all over our yard. 

With regards to Jill, I don't think giving Fenna breast milk ranks high on the list of horrible ways people treat pets, but it is a little....odd. Most people would've tossed it. Social media is a small blip of peoples' overall lives, but it seems like the Dillards are doing more things right than they are wrong. 

 

I can't resist weighing in on breast-milk-gate.  Expired doesn't mean that it's toxic, only that the quality diminishes and it may lose nutrition, but there would be no reason to give it to a dog.  The ickyness factor is that it is an intimate product from her body and it's peculiar that it would occur to her to feed it to a dog.  Jill is tone deaf about how how things are perceived, which seems common among the Duggars.

It appears that Jill needs to clean out her refrigerator a little more often.  Imagine what Jessa has in hers...

Fenna is fine and there is nothing to indicate that she is not being cared for properly.

[Gigi43]

5 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I'm not assuming motivation, just an observation that people often have an irrational, visceral disgust towards breast milk and I don't get that at all.  We celebrate motherhood and are then grossed out by a part of motherhood. 

And not here but I definitely saw a lot of "ew breast milk is gross" posts on reddit which IMO is more body-shaming of mothers.

 

Is Reddit where hysteric talk of taking the dog away is happening? Because that came out of absolutely no one here. 

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I'm not saying anyone is mother-shaming. I'm saying that the immediate response (including in the comments section of Jill's post) are IMO reflective of society's disgust towards the female body.

I mean if you think about it, there's nothing "natural" about us drinking cow or goat milk. We drink it, but it's not special or more nutritious than breast milk.

I actually think Jill giving Fenna breast milk means she's done having kids. It's a bit of a symbolic parting with actually having more kids.

Or an instinctive disgust to giving someone or something a product that is well past its use-by date? Like, the same instinctive disgust that tries to protect us from food poisoning? 

[Lady Whistleup]

4 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

 

Is Reddit where hysteric talk of taking the dog away is happening? Because that came out of absolutely no one here. 

No one is talking about taking the dog away. I just think that the hysteria over breast milk is overcooked, and I hate to think that some social media psychos will actually call animal control to take the dog away. Because this actually happens in parent groups. 

Anyway I realize people aren't going to agree with me about this. I guess I'm gross too for eating old ice cream and frozen veggies and what not. To me as long as the food doesn't taste funky I'll take it.

ETA: I also think that we as society are too wasteful of food in general but that's another kettle of fish. We throw away perfectly good food all the time.

Edited June 14, 2021 by Lady Whistleup

[Dehumidifier]

I'd love to know where all these mother shamers are. In my experience mothers shame non-mothers.

Edited June 14, 2021 by Dehumidifier

[Rootbeer]

2 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Well I think people are in general very squeamish about breast milk. Like if she had just said "Fenna got some milk" it wouldn't have been a huge firestorm. But breast milk is somehow thought of as dirty and unclean.

Breastmilk discrimination is actually a thing at many workplaces and women get accused of "public indecency" for pumping milk.

I also don't think Fenna looks like a  Belgian mal. She doesn't have the black saddle coat of a Mal. She looks more like a Heinz 57 "brown dog". 

If Jill had said she'd frozen some cow's milk from the dairy for 2 years and later tried to feed it to her kid or her dog; I'd also be concerned.  I didn't see people here worried about the source of the milk, just that she'd kept it for 2 years.  I think most of us don't keep stuff in our freezers that long.  

I wonder if the reason Jill didn't just toss the breast milk away was because she still has food issues from her childhood and throwing anyway any food that might still be edible is hard for her to do.  A kid who hides in the bathroom to eat so her siblings don't take her food away is probably going to have ongoing problems with food as an adult.

If your employer closed a dedicated lactation room to force breastfeeding women to use the bathroom to pump, you've got a pretty strong complaint, I'd think and I'd be heading to HR to tell them about it if it were me.

[lookeyloo]

interesting article

https://nationalpost.com/news/deliciously-creamy-the-world-of-breast-milk-cheese/

 regarding Jill and Fenna, many products have expiration dates just to move them along, not that they will make anyone sick.  Some people throw things out at the date the package says. Other people (like us) use it til its gone.  We have yet to get sick.  She probably found that stray amount of breast milk in the back of the freezer.  Except that my freezer now has a drawer, that could have been me with a number of things.