Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Ohiopirate02]

5 hours ago, Snow Fairy said:

Amy on Twitter

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/counting-on-amy-duggar-just-took-sides-in-the-derick-and-jim-bob-feud.html/

For all of Amy's issues, I can see where she is happy someone besides herself sees JB for the control freak that he is.  She has had a front row seat to the madness that is the Duggars for decades and now she at least has oen person who can comment with her.  A Statler to her Waldorf you could say.

[galaxygirl76]

I imagine Boob may be treating her mom as less than the dirt in his shoes so that may also be a part of her side taking. 

[SMama]

Boob never misses an opportunity to put down Deanna for having a child out of wedlock. Followed by how he and Mullet are so damn godly because they accept Deanna and Amy. The same way he trashed his late father. I’m sure Amy has had enough of Boob’s holier than thou bullshit. 

[Teriyaki Terror]

On 9/21/2019 at 12:21 PM, crazy8s said:

no ambition or ability to make money

He use to be an accountant for Wal-Mart. Why can't he go back to that?

[crazy8s]

53 minutes ago, Teriyaki Terror said:

He use to be an accountant for Wal-Mart. Why can't he go back to that?

well that would be a question for Derick.

My guess is he doesn't want to work at walmart. 

It has been what 3 or 4 years since he worked there? He didn't work there all that long and it seems he was off filming the show a majority of the time he was employed there.

 

 

 

[Westiepeach]

5 hours ago, Teriyaki Terror said:

He use to be an accountant for Wal-Mart. Why can't he go back to that?

Chances are they don’t WANT him back.

Edited January 16, 2020 by Westiepeach

[SMama]

4 hours ago, Teriyaki Terror said:

He use to be an accountant for Wal-Mart. Why can't he go back to that?

There’s the possibility that he didn’t leave voluntarily.

[JoanArc]

 Who would’ve thought that falling in with the Duggars could be a huge mistake? 

 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2020 by JoanArc

[Oldernowiser]

2 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Who would’ve thought that falling in with the Duggars could be a huge mistake? 

Anyone with half a brain?

[MargeGunderson]

Right...the problem was you couldn’t walk away. Not about the money at all. God doesn’t like a liar, Derick.

[JoanArc]

2 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

God doesn’t like a liar,

The Duggars would disagree with you!

[galaxychaser]

Now that Mary is gone Amy can speak the truth. (And got her inheritance)

[awaken]

9 hours ago, SMama said:

Boob never misses an opportunity to put down Deanna for having a child out of wedlock. Followed by how he and Mullet are so damn godly because they accept Deanna and Amy. The same way he trashed his late father. I’m sure Amy has had enough of Boob’s holier than thou bullshit. 

Has he said something publicly?  I don’t recall. 

Everything derick writes is word salad. 

[galaxychaser]

@awaken word salad=teen mom Farrah 🤣

[floridamom]

What the heck does Derick's statement even mean? If he has something to state publicly, he should just POST IT.

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, floridamom said:

What the heck does Derick's statement even mean? If he has something to state publicly, he should just POST IT.

He can't. He's lied and exaggerated so many times, I'm not sure he knows the truth.

Plus, I'm guessing the truth will make him look greedy and a little stupid, nevermind expose his lies.

[Teriyaki Terror]

Can someone please catch me up on the Derrick, Jimboob, Amy drama?

[BitterApple]

12 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:

Right...the problem was you couldn’t walk away. Not about the money at all. God doesn’t like a liar, Derick.

I agree. Derick certainly had no issue with the arrangement when he was living rent-free in two McMansions and being subsidized by donors while in Danger America. He only got pissy after TLC refused to pay Izzy's hospital bills, conveniently forgetting those bills were racked up due to Jill's negligence and stupidity. 

[Ohiopirate02]

7 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I agree. Derick certainly had no issue with the arrangement when he was living rent-free in two McMansions and being subsidized by donors while in Danger America. He only got pissy after TLC refused to pay Izzy's hospital bills, conveniently forgetting those bills were racked up due to Jill's negligence and stupidity. 

And yet somehow he and Jill were able to pay those hospital bills even though neither one had any visible paycheck coming in.  Then they had money for Derick's Cross Church program, money for law school and money for a new house.  But, they were not paid for their time on the show.  

[flyingdi]

I don't want to defend Jim Bob but I've never heard him say a word against Deanna or Amy other than to describe Amy as a "little wild".

[GeeGolly]

17 minutes ago, flyingdi said:

I don't want to defend Jim Bob but I've never heard him say a word against Deanna or Amy other than to describe Amy as a "little wild".

I haven't either, but in reality JB doesn't do much talking at all. He'll say a sentence and pause and then Michelle jumps in and prattles on with Fundy platitudes. 

[Marshmallow Mollie]

24 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

And yet somehow he and Jill were able to pay those hospital bills even though neither one had any visible paycheck coming in.  Then they had money for Derick's Cross Church program, money for law school and money for a new house.  But, they were not paid for their time on the show.  

Yes! Thank you! Volunteers don’t get paid yet they appear to have some money coming in. He’s playing the victim, which is a shame because he’s blowing away what sympathy people would have for him.

I had insurance, a true emergency c section, a week in the hospital, and my twins in NICU for 10 days. They are now 5, and I still owe several thousand dollars on our combined hospital bill. When he complained that no one paid the hospital bill (which I don’t fault him for wishing the birth special had), but then said they paid the medical bills off later that year, that’s when he lost his credibility for me. Maybe TLC didn’t write a check to the hospital, but it sure looks like the bill was paid with a stipend from Duggar Family Entertainment or whatever the LLC is.

[crazy8s]

I would like to ask derick about his "volunteer filming' of running until he gagged/vomited on TV and the visit to the quack dr fedosky.

like was it scripted and he had no option but to do that??

 

[emma675]

14 hours ago, JoanArc said:

What the hell was that? I have no idea what he is trying to say.

Edited January 16, 2020 by emma675d

[P2C2E]

Derick and Jill may have had issues for a long time. Just because they were filming and talking about how great things were doesn't mean they weren't miserable. Most people want to keep the peace, especially with family. Until they reach a point where doing that is harmful to their own happiness. And even then, people will sacrifice happiness for harmony. 

I feel like I understood what Derick was saying. They filmed and participated with the family and weren't compensated. It was compared to volunteering and was a ministry. But in other volunteer scenarios, you volunteer on your own schedule and when you want to be done, you stop volunteering. You can't just stop being part of the Duggar family. Not without encountering legal threats, and guilt trips, and emotional manipulation. And when you do what's necessary to protect your family and walk the hell away, the result is family rift.

I feel Derick spent a long time trying to cut that family some slack. Trying to not declare them the Evil Empire because Jill was still their daughter and we want to believe that parents will love their children no matter what. I think it's clear that there is estrangement and Derick is done protecting the Duggar family and share his real feelings. And I believe he is supported by Jill in this. 

I'm excited for Jill to learn to become her own person and learn new things. I wish them happiness and independence and growth. 

[Oldernowiser]

Derick really does have passive aggression down to an art form. Bet he’s really fun to live with.

It is possible he’s dropping these crumbs as a subtle threat to JimBoob. Give us the money you earned by us “volunteering” or I blow down the whole deck of cards.

Unfortunately, as we seem to be in a post-truth era, it might not matter what he revealed.

[Suzn]

4 minutes ago, P2C2E said:

Derick and Jill may have had issues for a long time. Just because they were filming and talking about how great things were doesn't mean they weren't miserable. Most people want to keep the peace, especially with family. Until they reach a point where doing that is harmful to their own happiness. And even then, people will sacrifice happiness for harmony. 

I feel like I understood what Derick was saying. They filmed and participated with the family and weren't compensated. It was compared to volunteering and was a ministry. But in other volunteer scenarios, you volunteer on your own schedule and when you want to be done, you stop volunteering. You can't just stop being part of the Duggar family. Not without encountering legal threats, and guilt trips, and emotional manipulation. And when you do what's necessary to protect your family and walk the hell away, the result is family rift.

I feel Derick spent a long time trying to cut that family some slack. Trying to not declare them the Evil Empire because Jill was still their daughter and we want to believe that parents will love their children no matter what. I think it's clear that there is estrangement and Derick is done protecting the Duggar family and share his real feelings. And I believe he is supported by Jill in this. 

I'm excited for Jill to learn to become her own person and learn new things. I wish them happiness and independence and growth. 

I think your interpretation of what D'Wreck was trying to say was entirely right.  However, his claim of not receiving pay is deceptive at the very least.  The lived in a big house owned by JB  - did they pay him rent?  Did they pay for their honeymoon trip?  I don't think there is any doubt that even if they never received a check made out to them, they benefited financially. 

The rest of their finances remain murky. Aside from some apparent part time and/or temp jobs the only real job he has had was the brief stint at Walmart.  Somehow they have managed to pay medical bills, support themselves through the missionary adventure, church training, pay for law school and buy a new house,  All this has been financed without any real visible means of support.

D'Wreck and Jill seem to be getting credit or approval for separating from the Duggar clan and I'm enjoying watching this particular train wreck.  But there is absolutely nothing to indicate that his odious views have changed, even slightly.  And you can be sure that if his opinions have not evolved, then neither have Jill's.  They may appear to be moving more into the mainstream, but that is all surface appearance.

[Zella]

40 minutes ago, Suzn said:

I think your interpretation of what D'Wreck was trying to say was entirely right.  However, his claim of not receiving pay is deceptive at the very least.  The lived in a big house owned by JB  - did they pay him rent?  Did they pay for their honeymoon trip?  I don't think there is any doubt that even if they never received a check made out to them, they benefited financially. 

The rest of their finances remain murky. Aside from some apparent part time and/or temp jobs the only real job he has had was the brief stint at Walmart.  Somehow they have managed to pay medical bills, support themselves through the missionary adventure, church training, pay for law school and buy a new house,  All this has been financed without any real visible means of support.

D'Wreck and Jill seem to be getting credit or approval for separating from the Duggar clan and I'm enjoying watching this particular train wreck.  But there is absolutely nothing to indicate that his odious views have changed, even slightly.  And you can be sure that if his opinions have not evolved, then neither have Jill's.  They may appear to be moving more into the mainstream, but that is all surface appearance.

You bring up a good point--I will enjoy watching JB's house of cards fall, but if Derick doesn't think his own finances are going to be scrutinized in the process, he's got another thing coming.

Personally, I think there is some truth in what Derick is saying about the situation with JB (particularly about the current estrangement), but his story has changed so many times, especially regarding "contracts"--and what he has said doesn't make sense--that I am wary of some of the claims he's making. Especially, as I have said before, how he always conveniently ignores he was FIRED by TLC.

It's been pointed out to me that Austin has also mentioned not being paid, so I am more willing to accept that claim than I was, but I agree with you that not being paid doesn't necessarily equal no material benefit at all. 

[Suzn]

2 hours ago, Zella said:

You bring up a good point--I will enjoy watching JB's house of cards fall, but if Derick doesn't think his own finances are going to be scrutinized in the process, he's got another thing coming.

Personally, I think there is some truth in what Derick is saying about the situation with JB (particularly about the current estrangement), but his story has changed so many times, especially regarding "contracts"--and what he has said doesn't make sense--that I am wary of some of the claims he's making. Especially, as I have said before, how he always conveniently ignores he was FIRED by TLC.

It's been pointed out to me that Austin has also mentioned not being paid, so I am more willing to accept that claim than I was, but I agree with you that not being paid doesn't necessarily equal no material benefit at all. 

His story is fluid and ever-changing and yes, he totally ignores being fired by TLC.  I don't remember exactly how TLC explained it, but I think it was crystal clear and it was their decision to remove  D & J from the show.

Edited January 16, 2020 by Suzn

[ouinason]

I would not be surprised if Derick claimed (not that I'd believe it) that he said the offensive stuff to get fired on purpose.

[GeeGolly]

So if I was a volunteer on a show, I think I would at least talk with the family and TLC when the new name of the show was going to include my wife's name.

Izzy was born prior to the name change. The Dillard's plans to go to C.A. were prior to the name change. 

The first hint of unrest happened shortly after Sam's birth. The Dillard's had already been "called to continue their mission" in Arkansas by then as well.

Add to all this that JB and TLC certainly knew that Jill's appearance on the show wasn't a factor in keeping it going. They have 19 children, well 18 kids minus Josh, 17 minus Jill, 18+ adding in Tyler and spouses.

They've had 4 or 5 weddings and 7 or 8 grandchildren happen since the Dillard's left the show.

Maybe Derick is pissed that the show didn't crash and burn without them.

[Zella]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

 

Maybe Derick is pissed that the show didn't crash and burn without them.

I could totally see this. 

[galaxychaser]

“Just got boys laid down” what?! 
I just put the boys to bed would be better.

[Oldernowiser]

Isn’t that the implied threat all the spawn live with and always have?

”There are plenty more where you came from, so get in line or else.”

[Sew Sumi]

I just want to know where all the thousands of dollars cane from. Maybe TLC didn't pay them, but Boob certainly subsidized their lifestyle. Maybe even bought their house. I don't think Cathy has that kind of money.

Edited January 16, 2020 by Sew Sumi

[Future Cat Lady]

Is it possible that Mr. Dillard had a very good insurance policy? He was a cop, so it's possible that he made sure his wife and kids would be protected. 

Maybe the boys have that in their names or it was in Cathy's name and she's given the boys their share?

[Sew Sumi]

An insurance policy is the only thing that makes sense. Delivering sporadically for Grub Hub ain't paying tuition to law school, let alone buy a house. GH might pay the power bill, but not much beyond that.

Edited January 17, 2020 by Sew Sumi

[lascuba]

5 hours ago, Suzn said:

His story is fluid and ever-changing and yes, he totally ignores being fired by TLC.  I don't remember exactly how TLC explained it, but I think it was crystal clear and it was their decision to remove  D & J from the show.

I always thought that was a bit ambiguous. IIRC, people kept reaching out to TLC on social media, calling them out for Derick's behavior towards Jazz. TLC responded by saying that Derick was no longer on the show and hadn't been filmed in months. 

All of these people are sketchy, but I think if they had actually fired him, they would have stated that outright because of all the heat they were getting. The fact that they didn't makes me think that Derick was actually telling the truth about refusing to be on the show anymore. 

[ouinason]

In that context, that actually does make sense.  

[Absolom]

TLC almost never says they've fired anyone.  They use euphemisms such as is no longer filming or being filmed.

[SMama]

22 hours ago, awaken said:

Has he said something publicly?  I don’t recall. 

Everything derick writes is word salad. 

There is a video of the family in Australia where Boob talks about Deanna having a child out of wedlock and how it negatively impacted her life. There are also interviews where he has stated his father wasn’t a good Christian.

Edited January 17, 2020 by SMama

[Sew Sumi]

I've seen Boobchelle diss his father at conferences. Does Boob even give interviews? Do any of them, aside from Jeremy?

[galaxychaser]

Oh dear God Jeremy loves the sound of his voice. Me not so much.

[fonfereksglen]

24 minutes ago, Absolom said:

TLC almost never says they've fired anyone.  They use euphemisms such as is no longer filming or being filmed.

Look at how TLC nearly destroyed Jon Gosselin, financially. (The ultimate damage to those children is yet to be determined.)  Would not be surprised if the same was threatened toward DD using Jon as an example.   The difference was there are a zillion Duggars and the threat was ultimately pointless.  

[Sew Sumi]

5 minutes ago, fonfereksglen said:

Look at how TLC nearly destroyed Jon Gosselin, financially. (The ultimate damage to those children is yet to be determined.)  Would not be surprised if the same was threatened toward DD using Jon as an example.   The difference was there are a zillion Duggars and the threat was ultimately pointless.  

I don't know Jon Gosselin's story with TLC. Can someone elaborate and compare/contrast with Derelict's situation with TLC?

[lascuba]

37 minutes ago, Absolom said:

TLC almost never says they've fired anyone.  They use euphemisms such as is no longer filming or being filmed.

Ah, good to know. The Duggars are the only TLC family I've ever followed with any regularity. 

I guess technically you can't really fired someone who's not under contract. 

[SMama]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

I've seen Boobchelle diss his father at conferences. Does Boob even give interviews? Do any of them, aside from Jeremy?

I should have said talking heads and conferences.

[Saylii]

I agree there was an insurance policy from Derick’s dad passing away.  There would have also been his pension/retirement that could have been cashed out.  Cathy also strikes me as the type to save for college, so Derick likely got through undergrad without any student loans.  Cathy still works and remarried so I bet she doesn’t live off her first husband’s money much.  If anything it’s her retirement fund now.

They probably did live rent-free at the McMansion during the year at Walmart.  I’ve seen rumblings before that Derick likely took a (small) paycheck from SOS in addition to living in DA rent free.  With donations funding the rest of the lifestyle, they probably did pocket a little and have enough to pay a few grand in hospital bills.

[andromeda331]

12 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

So if I was a volunteer on a show, I think I would at least talk with the family and TLC when the new name of the show was going to include my wife's name.

Izzy was born prior to the name change. The Dillard's plans to go to C.A. were prior to the name change. 

The first hint of unrest happened shortly after Sam's birth. The Dillard's had already been "called to continue their mission" in Arkansas by then as well.

Add to all this that JB and TLC certainly knew that Jill's appearance on the show wasn't a factor in keeping it going. They have 19 children, well 18 kids minus Josh, 17 minus Jill, 18+ adding in Tyler and spouses.

They've had 4 or 5 weddings and 7 or 8 grandchildren happen since the Dillard's left the show.

Maybe Derick is pissed that the show didn't crash and burn without them.

That makes complete sense. Everything about his 'tude screams of someone who was fired. Because he was fired he hoped it would crash and burned with him gone. Or that TLC  would see the error of their ways and come crawling back to him begging him to come back. But when that didn't happen it made him angry and he's tried to bring the show down because if he can't be on it then he doesn't want anyone else to be on it either. He's exactly the type who if he can't have something then he'll ruin it for everyone else. 

Edited January 17, 2020 by andromeda331

[hathorlive]

13 hours ago, Zella said:

You bring up a good point--I will enjoy watching JB's house of cards fall, but if Derick doesn't think his own finances are going to be scrutinized in the process, he's got another thing coming.

Personally, I think there is some truth in what Derick is saying about the situation with JB (particularly about the current estrangement), but his story has changed so many times, especially regarding "contracts"--and what he has said doesn't make sense--that I am wary of some of the claims he's making. Especially, as I have said before, how he always conveniently ignores he was FIRED by TLC.

It's been pointed out to me that Austin has also mentioned not being paid, so I am more willing to accept that claim than I was, but I agree with you that not being paid doesn't necessarily equal no material benefit at all. 

There is a difference between being compensated and being paid. Being paid means you get to earn dollars for your labor (if you can call being on TV labor) and you control what you spend your money on.  Being compensated means you owe homage to JB and have to tow his line and that he approves of how you spend the money.  You wouldn't like it if you got "paid" but your boss decided you can't buy alcohol or pay rent because those aren't "worthy" endeavors.  I think Derrick is saying sure they got free rent as long as they acted in a way that JB approved of.  That's basically a form of slavery.

Derreck is still a miserable human being but adults appearing on TV, who sell their privacy for profits deserve to get a paycheck, not rent from an approving daddy.  Maybe Derrick did the Jazz rant to get fired so he could move on.  Not approving his views, just saying he might have had an ulterior motive that involved breaking free.

Or he's just stupid.