Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[iwantcookies]

I hope they take the dog with them! 

[Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, iwantcookies said:

I hope they take the dog with them! 

I’m sure they will.

[Tuxcat]

11 hours ago, Tikichick said:

and might not kick the dog.

But he does purposefully run over the cat... so ... 🤷‍♀️

[emmawoodhouse]

23 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

But he does purposefully run over the cat... so ... 🤷‍♀️

He AIMED at the cat. Joy yelled, "Hit him!" Cat ran away. Win for cat. That's when Derick became Derelict in my book. You don't aim your failed campaign cardboard sled at any animal.

[GeeGolly]

I think Derick actually hit the cat.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1164270/Derick-Dillard-deliberately-runs-cat-sledding.html

[Heathen]

Do we really have to bring up the cat abuse? It's really upsetting to some people. It's almost as bad, for me, as reading about the stuff Smuggar downloaded. 

[SnapHappy]

Isn't that nice.  A brand new State for Deertick to spread his hate and bile to the masses.  Nothing like a fresh group of souls to pollute with your contemptuous and narrow minded beliefs.  I'm sure the Aryan Brotherhood will welcome him with open arms. 

21 hours ago, Tikichick said:

He may very well be a miserable jerk.   That doesn't however mean that each and every scrap of info at all adjacent to him must be negative and picked apart to reinforce the fact he's an asshole.   

Equal opportunity.  Jeremy gets the same treatment every day. 

They are all fair game, except for the underage group.  Then people just make fun of their looks.

[irisheyes]

31 minutes ago, SnapHappy said:

 

Isn't that nice.  A brand new State for Deertick to spread his hate and bile to the masses.  Nothing like a fresh group of souls to pollute with your

 

It’s Oklahoma. Lots of people agree with him there. 
 

From looking at the work he did while in LS, it looks like he’s looking for a job in public service. If that’s the case, then good for him. Hopefully, he wants to help victims and not just victimize them again. 

[Trillium]

2 hours ago, SnapHappy said:

Isn't that nice.  A brand new State for Deertick to spread his hate and bile to the masses.  Nothing like a fresh group of souls to pollute with your contemptuous and narrow minded beliefs.  I'm sure the Aryan Brotherhood will welcome him with open arms. 

 

Derick is an ass but there never been anything to suggest he’s to the level of Aryan Brotherhood at all. Not saying that he’s some champion of racial equality but he’s posted multiple times with POC and Jill has posted BLM things. I sincerely doubt that would happen if they were hard core white supremacists. They are not Aryan Brotherhood just because there’s one somewhat close by to where they maybe are living.  Hell, there’s one apparently close to where I live and I never knew until about a year ago.

We don’t need to invent things to dislike about him. There’s plenty to choose from things he’s actually said and done instead of throwing out wild accusations. 

Edited May 17, 2022 by Trillium

[Cinnabon]

12 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

He AIMED at the cat. Joy yelled, "Hit him!" Cat ran away. Win for cat. That's when Derick became Derelict in my book. You don't aim your failed campaign cardboard sled at any animal.

I’ve never forgotten that about Joy, either. And given the incident with the kittens last year, it doesn’t seem as though she’s changed.

2 hours ago, irisheyes said:

It’s Oklahoma. Lots of people agree with him there. 
 

From looking at the work he did while in LS, it looks like he’s looking for a job in public service. If that’s the case, then good for him. Hopefully, he wants to help victims and not just victimize them again. 

I agree. I have a lot of respect for public defenders and DAs. Hopefully he’ll help some people who need it instead of harming others. Only time will tell. He was the only one (were there any others?) who expressed concern for Josh’s victims in his SM post after Josh’s trial. 

Edited May 17, 2022 by Cinnabon

[GeeGolly]

• Derick Tweeted he was angry at a couple news stations because they kept showing interviews of a couple outspoken teens who survived the Parkland school shootings.
• Derick Tweeted his joy when it was ruled business owners have a right to discriminate against customers who believe/live differently than them.
• Derick Tweeted he hoped the TLC show Lost in Transition was to show the world the devastations of mental illness.

Derick doesn't just preach his beliefs to the choir. He publicly celebrates when folks lose human rights and publicly spouts disappointment when folks gain human rights. Just because Derick had a fight with JB doesn't mean he'll fight for those who need it. Derick is still Derick, just like Jeremy would still be Jeremy if he became a lawyer.

[birkenstock]

The Forsyths and Vuolos mentioned victims of csam in their statements. 

The Forsyths wrote: "We agree with the judicial system's verdict and we are thankful for the men and women who work tirelessly to protect children and help prevent child sexual abuse material" ...,... "Our hearts break for all CSAM victims." 

The Vuolos: "We are saddened for the victims of horrific child abuse."........ "This reality makes the existence of sex trafficking and child abuse one of the most horrific evils imaginable."

[Cinnabon]

3 minutes ago, birkenstock said:

The Forsyths and Vuolos mentioned victims of csam in their statements. 

The Forsyths wrote: "We agree with the judicial system's verdict and we are thankful for the men and women who work tirelessly to protect children and help prevent child sexual abuse material" ...,... "Our hearts break for all CSAM victims." 

The Vuolos: "We are saddened for the victims of horrific child abuse."........ "This reality makes the existence of sex trafficking and child abuse one of the most horrific evils imaginable."

Thanks. I obviously didn’t remember their statements very well. It was Jessa’s that was truly clueless and insulting.

[birkenstock]

11 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Thanks. I obviously didn’t remember their statements very well. It was Jessa’s that was truly clueless and insulting.

I had to google search. I just remembered Joy's because she was straight forward and really laid everything out as it is.

[emmawoodhouse]

Today is Jill's actual birthday! 

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cdq-Q7chmiW/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, birkenstock said:

 

2 hours ago, birkenstock said:

I had to google search. I just remembered Joy's because she was straight forward and really laid everything out as it is.

I wonder who actually wrote Joy’s statement? 

Edited May 17, 2022 by Cinnabon

[birkenstock]

40 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

I wonder who actually wrote Joy’s statement? 

IMO Austin with the help of a media consultant or other third party to proofread.  I would not be surprised if Joy had a hand in it too.  It didn't quote scripture like the Dillards and Vuolos. Just simple and to the point.  

Here is the full statement:

"Over this last year, as you can imagine, there have been a lot of unanswered questions in our minds regarding Josh. We were able to sit through the trial to hear the evidence for ourselves.

We agree with the judicial system's verdict and we are thankful for the men and women who work tirelessly to protect children and help prevent child sexual abuse material. Our hearts break for all CSAM victims.

We are praying for Anna and her children." 

 

 

[Gemma Violet]

On 5/10/2022 at 5:31 PM, Gemma Violet said:

Yes, I took it to mean $500-$1,000 per episode after the negotiations.  

Re what Jill & Derick were paid, I just read that Derick testified that they were paid from the beginning of 2017 to May of 2017, so I guess 3-5 months.

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, Gemma Violet said:

Re what Jill & Derick were paid, I just read that Derick testified that they were paid from the beginning of 2017 to May of 2017, so I guess 3-5 months.

As I understand it, they got paid for some of the run of CO before they left/were fired. That's not enough for a,down payment on a home or partial tuition for law school. 

I wish we knew how much their settlement with Boob was.

[Kbo]

Lots of financial info on all the couples who did depositions. Apparently Derrick had a scholarship for law school but money has been very tight. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/18599926/jill-jessa-jinger-joy-anna-duggar-salaries-revealed/

[emmawoodhouse]

42 minutes ago, Kbo said:

Lots of financial info on all the couples who did depositions. Apparently Derrick had a scholarship for law school but money has been very tight. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/18599926/jill-jessa-jinger-joy-anna-duggar-salaries-revealed/

They didn't mention a mortgage, which leads me to believe that they paid cash for the house.

[Zella]

One of the things that is wild to me, per the depositions quoted in The Sun, is how multiple sisters seem to think that they're losing sponsorship deals because of the molestation disclosures or just for seemingly no reason at all. Jinger and Joy both stated either one or the other. Like, that's not actually why they've lost sponsorship deals. When people have written and complained to their sponsors and the sponsors have responded, it is almost always about the family's stance on LGBT issues. 

The more that has been revealed, I really wonder if their lawyer advised them not to go to court and they pressed onward with the lawsuit because they don't seem to be able to point to specific damages that they could sue for. Per other things I've read, none of them bothered to seek medical or psychiatric consultations over it, which could have been used to show emotional damages, and they can't even really point to income loss as being from the molestations. I don't doubt that they found the revelations very upsetting, but I feel like the prep for this trial was somehow even more inept than their brother's. His defense made really dumb arguments, for sure, but they had to mount some sort of defense and there aren't many good arguments you can make when you have as much evidence against you as Josh had. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by Zella

[Cinnabon]

18 minutes ago, Zella said:

When people have written and complained to their sponsors and the sponsors have responded, it is almost always about the family's stance on LGBT issues. 

Do they honestly not realize this?

[emmawoodhouse]

4 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Do they honestly not realize this?

Probably not. They're insular and deluded. 

[Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Probably not. They're insular and deluded. 

Hard to believe. Maybe they should pay attention to some of the negative comments they get on SM and figure it out. I have a hard time believing that Jeremy, at least, doesn’t know that people have issues with their anti LGBT stances. And if Jeremy knows, so does Jinger.

[Zella]

Oh I think they know. They just don't want to admit it or acknowledge it. That is why they never correct the record when they are accused if being bigots. They know there is nothing to correct, and they keep hoping it will blow over. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by Zella

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

Hard to believe. Maybe they should pay attention to some of the negative comments they get on SM and figure it out. I have a hard time believing that Jeremy, at least, doesn’t know that people have issues with their anti LGBT stances. And if Jeremy knows, so does Jinger.

I wonder if Jeremy tries to keep Jinger in the dark? I think he likes her kind of airheaded.

[Zella]

Just now, emmawoodhouse said:

I wonder if Jeremy tries to keep Jinger in the dark? I think he likes her kind of airheaded.

I don't think she is that sheltered. I think she knows and agrees with him but keeps quiet because they keep hoping that sweet endorsement money will roll in. 

[emmawoodhouse]

Just now, Zella said:

I don't think she is that sheltered. I think she knows and agrees with him but keeps quiet because they keep hoping that sweet endorsement money will roll in. 

Well, they're the ones who are shut down the most when they manage to score an endorsement deal. It's really easy to lump Jinger in with Jeremy's publicly stated beliefs. I know I've tattled on the Vuolos, but I have left the others alone.

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Well, they're the ones who are shut down the most when they manage to score an endorsement deal. It's really easy to lump Jinger in with Jeremy's publicly stated beliefs. I know I've tattled on the Vuolos, but I have left the others alone.

I've never reported any of them, but the fact none of them have ever responded to the criticism tells me that it's pretty accurate. I find some of his behavior toward her troubling in general, but I really don't think a Duggar daughter has very enlightened views about LGBT issues, indepedent of their husband's thoughts, and I also don't think Jeremy himself is winning any prizes for open mindedness, based on that petition he signed.  

[emmawoodhouse]

Oh, I brought up the petition when I wrote my letters of complaint. 😀

Edited May 18, 2022 by emmawoodhouse

[GeeGolly]

Well I'm not surprised the Dillards seem to have made the least on SM. Kind of hard to get multiple gigs when your husband is spewing hate. Jeremy did mention the sale of the book, so $100,000 makes a little more sense, but not $200,000.

As far as knowing why they lost SM gigs I think they know it has nothing do with Josh. Companies don't usually punish victims, but what else are the sisters going to say? It seems the only advice they got was to say they lost income, but it seems to ones who actually lost influencer gigs made the most money.

[Zella]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

Companies don't usually punish victims, but what else are the sisters going to say? It seems the only advice they got was to say they lost income, but it seems to ones who actually lost influencer gigs made the most money.

That's why I'm so curious what their lawyers told them. You don't exactly have to be Perry Mason to see how weak their argument is. 

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

That's why I'm so curious what their lawyers told them. You don't exactly have to be Perry Mason to see how weak their argument is. 

Too true. I wonder if they at least offered proof of pain and suffering with all the articles about them that had Josh attached to them. But like you said, even if they have suffered, which I believe they have, no one sought therapy.

Its like they banded together and had a quiet hissy fit and thought they'd get paid for it.

[emmawoodhouse]

4 minutes ago, Zella said:

That's why I'm so curious what their lawyers told them. You don't exactly have to be Perry Mason to see how weak their argument is. 

I'm sure their lawyer advised them to mention the InTouch article as much as possible when they sat for the depositions. Someone like Jessa would grab onto that nugget and run with it.

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Well, they're the ones who are shut down the most when they manage to score an endorsement deal. It's really easy to lump Jinger in with Jeremy's publicly stated beliefs. I know I've tattled on the Vuolos, but I have left the others alone.

Until she states otherwise, I’m assuming she’s all in with Jeremy’s hateful, bigoted,  misogynistic beliefs. They’re the most dangerous because they work so hard to hide their true beliefs. Cowards who try to look mainstream but do everything they can behind the scenes to marginalize LGBT and women and take rights away from them.

[GeeGolly]

4 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Until she states otherwise, I’m assuming she’s all in with Jeremy’s hateful, bigoted,  misogynistic beliefs. They’re the most dangerous because they work so hard to hide their true beliefs. Cowards who try to look mainstream but do everything they can behind the scenes to marginalize LGBT and women and take rights away from them.

They might be cowards. They might be politically correct. Or they might just preach to the choir. 

Could you remind me what it is they're doing behind the scenes to take away rights of others outside of their own circle?

Personally I like folks to keep their hate to themselves, because IMO, each time someone spews hate it emboldens the next person to do the same, and the next and then the next one might cause actual financial or physical harm, rather than only emotional harm.

Dillard thread - Derick's hate filled rants certainly could fuel someone to act upon their hate.

Edited May 18, 2022 by GeeGolly

[lascuba]

I haven't read the depositions, just the Sun article--am I right in my reading that when they talk about their loss income, it's mostly the social media income they're discussing? So Jessa's $30K and Jill's $10K is just from social media and not anything else? It's so darkly funny to me that they couldn't use the loss of TLC income as evidence, since JB collected the lion's share of that money.

It's takes some fucking nerve for them to claim that the lose of sm gigs was because of that article. They know damn good and well why people contacted those companies.

[GeeGolly]

6 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I haven't read the depositions, just the Sun article--am I right in my reading that when they talk about their loss income, it's mostly the social media income they're discussing? So Jessa's $30K and Jill's $10K is just from social media and not anything else? It's so darkly funny to me that they couldn't use the loss of TLC income as evidence, since JB collected the lion's share of that money.

It's takes some fucking nerve for them to claim that the lose of sm gigs was because of that article. They know damn good and well why people contacted those companies.

They couldn't use the loss of TLC income because TLC rebranded the show with their names on it. And then Counting On was cancelled after Josh's arrest, not because the sisters were outed.

[quarks]

20 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I haven't read the depositions, just the Sun article--am I right in my reading that when they talk about their loss income, it's mostly the social media income they're discussing? So Jessa's $30K and Jill's $10K is just from social media and not anything else? It's so darkly funny to me that they couldn't use the loss of TLC income as evidence, since JB collected the lion's share of that money.

It's takes some fucking nerve for them to claim that the lose of sm gigs was because of that article. They know damn good and well why people contacted those companies.

For Jill and Derick, that's annual income.  

[Tikichick]

21 hours ago, Trillium said:

We don’t need to invent things to dislike about him. There’s plenty to choose from things he’s actually said and done instead of throwing out wild accusations. 

He's said plenty of appalling things.   The lily reeks already, no need whatsoever to gild it.  

[cmr2014]

While $10,000 for Jill and $30,000 for Jessa isn't a great income to live off of, it's a ton of money for how little effort they put into their SM.

If I'm not mistaken, they all identify as SAHM's in their depositions. It's hard to make a case that you've lost significant income when you state, up front, that your primary role in your family is not to produce income.

If they could produce a single instance of an organization dropping them because they were victims of abuse, they should produce the notification they received. I would bet that they have a stack of notifications saying that they were being dropped because of their public homophobia, and zero letters/e-mails/texts saying that they were being dropped because of Josh.

[hathorlive]

12 hours ago, Zella said:

That's why I'm so curious what their lawyers told them. You don't exactly have to be Perry Mason to see how weak their argument is. 

The main reason their case is weak is because of their parents.  The girls don't want to say that their parents failed to protect them and let a predator roam free around the house.  They can't say that their mental anguish was increased by the failure of their parents to get them counseling.  All roads lead back to their parents being the source of their pain and suffering.  And they don't want to/ can't point the finger at them.  Jill came the closest to doing it, and even then she tried to protect Meech. I do feel that Jill will end up being the most mentally healthy because she got counseling.  Someone helped her articulate the lack of boundaries with her dad.  She didn't come up with that on her own.  So I have hope that she'll eventually realize what sucky parents she had and that children shouldn't be raising their siblings.  While I don't like Austin and Derrick's views, I do think they have a healthy sense of what Josh did to their wives.  At least they will make sure Josh doesn't get near their wives if he gets out of jail.

[emmawoodhouse]

6 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

They might be cowards. They might be politically correct. Or they might just preach to the choir. 

Could you remind me what it is they're doing behind the scenes to take away rights of others outside of their own circle?

Personally I like folks to keep their hate to themselves, because IMO, each time someone spews hate it emboldens the next person to do the same, and the next and then the next one might cause actual financial or physical harm, rather than only emotional harm.

Dillard thread - Derick's hate filled rants certainly could fuel someone to act upon their hate.

Jeremy was a primary signer of a little petition designed to take away the rights of the already marginalized. LGBT was specifically mentioned. Other fundies like Voddie Baucham and MacArthur were also on board. The petition made the rounds maybe 2-3 years ago. Perhaps @Churchhoney or @Zella could produce the document, their google-fu skills being much stronger than mine. 

Derelict has the public remarks about Jazz to his detriment. 

eta I found this article regarding the petition. There's a link to the actual petition therein, but the article pulls liberally from it. I can't believe it's been nearly 4 years.

Edited May 18, 2022 by emmawoodhouse

[GeeGolly]

3 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Jeremy was a primary signer of a little petition designed to take away the rights of the already marginalized. LGBT was specifically mentioned. Other fundies like Voddie Baucham and MacArthur were also on board. The petition made the rounds maybe 2-3 years ago. Perhaps @Churchhoney or @Zella could produce the document, their google-fu skills being much stronger than mine. 

Derelict has the public remarks about Jazz to his detriment. 

eta I found this article regarding the petition. There's a link to the actual petition therein, but the article pulls liberally from it. I can't believe it's been nearly 4 years.

The statement is not showing up. What are they doing with it? Is it about how they'll run their churches and what they'll preach, or are they using it in the community somehow? 

Its not like we don't what they believe. My personal line is when they start spewing/spouting/impeding on those outside their religious circle. Derick, Michelle and Anna are the only ones I know of that crossed that line.

 

[Zella]

I'm taking my reply about the petition to the Vuolo thread. 

[GeeGolly]

A couple things that I think Derick (and Jill) skirted around in his deposition. First implying he went to school for free. I don't think any scholarship money he received covered the full cost of attending school as he does not check any of the boxes for a full ride. Secondly, we know the Dillard's expenses were far more than Derick's monthly $800 Grub Hub income and Jill's $10,000 SM income for that year. Combined that's less than $20,000. It seems to me the Dillard's left out the fact that they received a hefty settlement prior to the year they were questioned about.

I'm guessing their property taxes alone would be at around $5000 - $10,000. And their food bill (even with "donations") would be at around $10,000 for the year. That doesn't leave much, or any money left over.

How would they have paid for utilities, two cars, clothing, vacations and the rest of their expenses?

[crazy8s]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm guessing their property taxes alone would be at around $5000 - $10,000. And their food bill (even with "donations") would be at around $10,000 for the year. That doesn't leave much, or any money left over.

How would they have paid for utilities, two cars, clothing, vacations and the rest of their expenses?

Their property taxes were about $1,800 last year.

On top of utilities, cars, vacations etc. There had to be money for date nights and well, you know, all that lotion....🤢

 

[GeeGolly]

8 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

Their property taxes were about $1,800 last year.

On top of utilities, cars, vacations etc. There had to be money for date nights and well, you know, all that lotion....🤢

 

Wow, property taxes are that low it AR? Lucky them.

But yes, with everything you mentioned, $20,000 yearly income could hardly support a family of 4.

Edited May 19, 2022 by GeeGolly

[crazy8s]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

Wow, property taxes are that low it AR? Lucky them.

the tax was $2,100 something, but they qualified for some sort of homeowner credit of $375. But yes, low taxes.