Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Nysha]

4 hours ago, Absolom said:

Basically killing a family member will do that.  I expect dumping the kids on the Duggars wasn't exactly endearing either.  

Yeah, how much of a witch does your mother have to be when you have fond memories of Michelle Duggar?

[ALittleShelfish]

On 12/18/2021 at 7:28 PM, Quilt Fairy said:

Read the new one by one of Theresa Fedosky's sons.  It's very good.  

I read almost the entire thing last night.  I like that he tried to not let what he knows now cloud any good memories he had from way back when.  But he's also not shy to say his mom is a garbage human.  

He has a great sense of humor and seems to have become everything his upbringing would hate, and i'm a fan of that! 

[Rootbeer]

1 hour ago, ALittleShelfish said:

I read almost the entire thing last night.  I like that he tried to not let what he knows now cloud any good memories he had from way back when.  But he's also not shy to say his mom is a garbage human.  

He has a great sense of humor and seems to have become everything his upbringing would hate, and i'm a fan of that! 

Unfortunately, it has now come to light that this particular Fedosky offspring has a record of violence against women and threats against their families.  So, he's no angel, either.  

I think his remarks about Josh and the Duggars are fairly accurate but I suspect he will be retreating from Reddit now that his own problems have been aired.  He claims there is a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why he's had multiple restraining orders filed against him; but I have a feeling that many of us might think there is a problem with anyone with that history.

[Zella]

27 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

I think his remarks about Josh and the Duggars are fairly accurate but I suspect he will be retreating from Reddit now that his own problems have been aired.  He claims there is a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why he's had multiple restraining orders filed against him; but I have a feeling that many of us might think there is a problem with anyone with that history.

Agreed. You can read the documents related to his cases on AR Court Connect, and he sounds like a complete psycho. 

I don't think he was lying about anything he said about the Duggars, but his explanation for one of the incidents--while completely ignoring the even more violent ones--was really weak and questionable. I imagine he doesn't want to come back and try to explain away why he strangled one ex. 

Edited December 20, 2021 by Zella

[Absolom]

Duggar style upbringing creates some super damaged adults.

[SusanM]

1 minute ago, Absolom said:

Duggar style upbringing creates some super damaged adults.

Smuggar is the poster boy for how bringing sons up in this perverse fundieland creates men who have no respect for women.  At all.

[Zella]

I don't think a Duggar/Fedosky upbringing helps anyone's sanity, but I also don't think it exclusively explains Josh's behavior or Bowman's. A lot of men outside of fundie circles do the same thing these two have done and not everyone inside their circles does these things either. 

[ALittleShelfish]

1 hour ago, Rootbeer said:

Unfortunately, it has now come to light that this particular Fedosky offspring has a record of violence against women and threats against their families.  So, he's no angel, either.  

I think his remarks about Josh and the Duggars are fairly accurate but I suspect he will be retreating from Reddit now that his own problems have been aired.  He claims there is a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why he's had multiple restraining orders filed against him; but I have a feeling that many of us might think there is a problem with anyone with that history.

Yikes, okay I didn't know anything about *him* prior to this.  I'm not nearly as in the weeds into this family/associates as you all are, and I apologize for speaking out of line, out of ignorance.  I'm hoping this isn't one of those forums where someone steps in to tell me I should have read all 700 pages first before posting 😕🤞

[Quilt Fairy]

36 minutes ago, ALittleShelfish said:

I'm hoping this isn't one of those forums where someone steps in to tell me I should have read all 700 pages first before posting 😕🤞

Nope.  Don't feel bad.  I'm one of the people who recommended his AMA to others and I knew nothing about him.  Everyone has a past, it seems. 

[Rootbeer]

1 minute ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Nope.  Don't feel bad.  I'm one of the people who recommended his AMA to others and I knew nothing about him.  Everyone has a past, it seems. 

Yeah, his past only came to light overnight when someone on Reddit decided to dig into it.  It is a very bad idea for anyone to out their true selves on Reddit if they've got skeletons in their closet.  This guy's legal problems with his former girlfriends (at least 3 of them) are public record which made them easy enough to find once he identified himself.

[Zella]

Yeah to quote The Big Lebowski, "new shit's come to light" about Bowman. I had read his AMA with some interest but never thought to look him up on Court Connect until people in the comments started asking him about his history last night. He was really foolish to think nobody would delve into it, and he's even dumber for trying to spin it to be favorable to himself. 

[Tikichick]

On 12/18/2021 at 12:49 AM, CalicoKitty said:

It makes a person start to wonder if Josh was the only son with a porn "problem" that has been hushed up.  We never did hear what "Sinner Twin" did to earn his trips to Alert.  I am sure more bad stuff went on, and more will become public.  Stay tuned.

It's not uncommon for teens, especially teen boys, to go through a phase where they seek out porn, or even just want to see boobs.   It's not automatically a given that they are on their way to a life of victimizing others.  

On 12/18/2021 at 8:53 AM, merylinkid said:

Pretty sure ALERT is for disobedience.   I am betting that child didn't toe the Head Idiot line and worship Dad.    So multiple stints until any independence was beaten out of him.

BUT, I am also willing to bet that CONVICTED PEDOPHILE is only the tip of the iceberg.   The parents are masters of cover up.   And with that many kids, statistically speaking something is  like to be up with more than one.    

Statistically speaking in regards to criminal and abusive behavior, or simply something that would send JB & M scrambling to halt and disguise?   I agree it's likely some of the offspring have aspects JB & M never want known to outsiders, but I don't know if it's necessarily true that it's statistically likely any others are prone to be predators.

On 12/18/2021 at 9:03 AM, madpsych78 said:

I'm sure other Duggar children have skeletons that are being covered up (at least Josiah) but it also doesn't mean that they are all pedophiles either. I could see multiple married sons cheating on their wives though. Jed! seems like someone who will cheat on Katey down the line. 

I agree their are likely to be many other instances of less than pious and upright moments the family hopes never become public knowledge.   I wouldn't be at all surprised that some of the things they worked hardest to keep quiet and curb the behaviors are "infractions" that would have 99.9% of society wondering what the fuss is about.  

[mittsigirl]

45 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Nope.  Don't feel bad.  I'm one of the people who recommended his AMA to others and I knew nothing about him.  Everyone has a past, it seems. 

I did as well.

[Iguessnot]

3 hours ago, ALittleShelfish said:

Yikes, okay I didn't know anything about *him* prior to this.  I'm not nearly as in the weeds into this family/associates as you all are, and I apologize for speaking out of line, out of ignorance.  I'm hoping this isn't one of those forums where someone steps in to tell me I should have read all 700 pages first before posting 😕🤞

Hey are you a TWOP alumni?

[Quilt Fairy]

26 minutes ago, Iguessnot said:

Hey are you a TWOP alumni?

Aren't we all?

[mittsigirl]

Somebody apparently used to do the books for a jail, she wrote a ton of information, but because I don't know if they are true facts, I don't want to post much. But I can post that Josh will have to be working at a job in prison, and he will likely be making 12 cents per hour for wages, probably cleaning the toilets! For some weird reason, that makes me very happy.

[Scout Finch]

2 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Aren't we all?

And Mighty Big TV?

[emmawoodhouse]

2 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Aren't we all?

Because of Howard, I had maybe five usernames. 😂

[GeeGolly]

I'm one of the few who started here and ironically, I didn't even read Josh's thread until months after finding this forum. From the sound of it, I'm lucky this was my first endeavor into forums. All the others sound a bit scary, lol.

[mittsigirl]

40 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Because of Howard, I had maybe five usernames. 😂

Ah yes, good old Howard! I wonder if he is on this forum now?!

[jschoolgirl]

12 minutes ago, mittsigirl said:

Ah yes, good old Howard! I wonder if he is on this forum now?!

Howard was female, as said on one of the TWoP forums.

[mittsigirl]

10 minutes ago, jschoolgirl said:

Howard was female, as said on one of the TWoP forums.

Somebody told me Howard was a guy, I just believed them!

Thanks for setting me straight.

[Absolom]

2 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Because of Howard, I had maybe five usernames. 😂

I think I only went through three.  There was a mod who was worse than Howard on another show who loathed me.  

[Absolom]

The name Howard came from Homicide: Life on the Streets.  Melissa Leo played Kay Howard.  File that under things I shouldn't know.

People ask about the jail visits with Josh and aside from not being able to give him anything, the visits being remote, they have to be scheduled at least 24 hours in advance, and even remote, they're limited to two adults and two children per visit.  So for Josh and family to be following the rules Anna is going to have to schedule a pile of visits just for him to say Merry Christmas to all his kids.  Do we think they're really going to follow those rules?

[crazycatlady58]

6 minutes ago, Absolom said:

The name Howard came from Homicide: Life on the Streets.  Melissa Leo played Kay Howard.  File that under things I shouldn't know.

People ask about the jail visits with Josh and aside from not being able to give him anything, the visits being remote, they have to be scheduled at least 24 hours in advance, and even remote, they're limited to two adults and two children per visit.  So for Josh and family to be following the rules Anna is going to have to schedule a pile of visits just for him to say Merry Christmas to all his kids.  Do we think they're really going to follow those rules?

Do they have a choice? I would think if they did not follow the rules the visit would be shut down and maybe not allowed another one for a while.

[Absolom]

I'm sure JB and Michelle will think the rules couldn't possibly apply to them.  I'd love to know if he loses the privilege.

[mythoughtis]

7 minutes ago, crazycatlady58 said:

Do they have a choice? I would think if they did not follow the rules the visit would be shut down and maybe not allowed another one for a while.

Oh they will try.  This is the group that I brought the entire family to the NICU to see baby Josie - filmed no less 

Edited December 21, 2021 by mythoughtis

[Cinnabon]

3 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Because of Howard, I had maybe five usernames. 😂

Same!

[Readalot]

3 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Because of Howard, I had maybe five usernames. 😂

Why didn’t I think of that 😂

 

on topic - Josh is still scum. 

[Tabbygirl521]

6 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Aren't we all?

NO BOARDS ON BOARDS!

I still have no idea what that meant. 

2 hours ago, mittsigirl said:

Somebody told me Howard was a guy, I just believed them!

Thanks for setting me straight.

OBVIOUSLY you failed to read all bazillion pages!

[Quilt Fairy]

5 minutes ago, Namaste said:

a side of Spam?

People need to stop dissing Spam.  I like Spam, and I'll have you know that these days Spam is not cheap.  Josh would be lucky to get Spam in prison.

[Rabbittron]

2 hours ago, crazycatlady58 said:

Do they have a choice? I would think if they did not follow the rules the visit would be shut down and maybe not allowed another one for a while.

Do they ever follow the rules? 

[Gemma Violet]

10 minutes ago, Namaste said:

What tasty treats will the prison chow hall serve for Josh’s Christmas feast?  Turkey loaf, a bag or chips and a side of Spam?

TMZ or other media outlets sometime do an article with pictures on what various prisons serve for Thanksgiving.  In each case, it's every traditional Thanksgiving dish you can imagine: turkey, stuffing, peas, sweet potatoes, pumpkin pie, etc.  So I'm thinking the Christmas feasts are pretty much the same type of items.  

[JustRosie]

4 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

People need to stop dissing Spam.  I like Spam, and I'll have you know that these days Spam is not cheap.  Josh would be lucky to get Spam in prison.

Yep, a lot of us ate that growing up, myself included. That’s why I referenced it. 🙄 

[Tdoc72]

Maybe we’ll get a jail karaoke video like with murderess Jodi Arias. She won some jail contest singing O Holy Night. 😂

Edited December 21, 2021 by Tdoc72

[ginger90]

Whatever he has to eat, he’ll be eating alone.

[merylinkid]

9 hours ago, Absolom said:

hey have to be scheduled at least 24 hours in advance

Do we think this family is organized enough to plan that far ahead?    If by some miracle they do, I am presuming you have to be ON TIME or you lose your slot.   Which is a whole other issue for this family.

CONVICTED PEDOPHILE Josh now has to follow a strict schedule.   he can't just do what he wants when he wants.   Having to do things for himself and not be waited on hand and foot by his siblings and/or his wife has got to be a revelation in itself.

(we shall not discuss how many user names I had at TWOP because I was always violating unwritten rules [i.e. a mod just didn't like what was posted].  Heaven forbid you tried to carry on a conversation either.   That was ALWAYS yelled at as Boards on Boards, apparentl you were just supposed to post your thoughts in a vacuum and move on.)

[GeeGolly]

Of the 13 kidult Duggars almost half have publicly said they agree Josh is guilty. The remaining half could go either way.

I hope come the new year after some time has passed, Anna comes to her senses and puts out a statement saying she now recognizes Josh is ill and her children's well being comes before all else.

She can even add some bullshit like, she continues to love him and will support him in getting the help he needs, but her future will not include a life with Josh.

Anna may still have some sympathy in her circle now, but that will wane if she doesn't get it together and be the mom her kids deserve. Otherwise those poor kids will grow up with two parents who are seen as pariahs. 

[crazycatlady58]

7 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

Do they ever follow the rules? 

True but I think they are in for a shock when they find out no one  at the jail/prison cares what they think or how they want to do things.

[merylinkid]

6 minutes ago, crazycatlady58 said:

True but I think they are in for a shock when they find out no one  at the jail/prison cares what they think or how they want to do things.

I am reminded of when Paris Hilton was in jail for her unpaid traffic ticket.   Her parents showed up and everyone else had to wait to see their family members because of "security."  I can see the Duggars expecting the same treatment and being shocked that no one gives a damn.   They will be treated just like any other visiting family.  

[Jeanne222]

5 hours ago, Tdoc72 said:

Maybe we’ll get a jail karaoke video like with murderess Jodi Arias. She won some jail contest singing O Holy Night. 😂

I was just about to say 'I wonder if we'll get a Christmas message from Josh '?

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Of the 13 kidult Duggars almost half have publicly said they agree Josh is guilty. The remaining half could go either way.

I hope come the new year after some time has passed, Anna comes to her senses and puts out a statement saying she now recognizes Josh is ill and her children's well being comes before all else.

She can even add some bullshit like, she continues to love him and will support him in getting the help he needs, but her future will not include a life with Josh.

Anna may still have some sympathy in her circle now, but that will wane if she doesn't get it together and be the mom her kids deserve. Otherwise those poor kids will grow up with two parents who are seen as pariahs. 

I wonder if Anna's future includes baby #8?  A parting gift from sex pest!

[Rootbeer]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Of the 13 kidult Duggars almost half have publicly said they agree Josh is guilty. The remaining half could go either way.

I hope come the new year after some time has passed, Anna comes to her senses and puts out a statement saying she now recognizes Josh is ill and her children's well being comes before all else.

She can even add some bullshit like, she continues to love him and will support him in getting the help he needs, but her future will not include a life with Josh.

Anna may still have some sympathy in her circle now, but that will wane if she doesn't get it together and be the mom her kids deserve. Otherwise those poor kids will grow up with two parents who are seen as pariahs. 

That would only work if these people thought like the rest of us do.  In their world, the husband comes first, the kids are way down the list.  I don't think those who follow the Gothard gospel will even think about Anna's kids as long as she is busy visiting Josh and putting him first.

[Tikichick]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Of the 13 kidult Duggars almost half have publicly said they agree Josh is guilty. The remaining half could go either way.

I hope come the new year after some time has passed, Anna comes to her senses and puts out a statement saying she now recognizes Josh is ill and her children's well being comes before all else.

She can even add some bullshit like, she continues to love him and will support him in getting the help he needs, but her future will not include a life with Josh.

Anna may still have some sympathy in her circle now, but that will wane if she doesn't get it together and be the mom her kids deserve. Otherwise those poor kids will grow up with two parents who are seen as pariahs. 

From your lips . . .   Although I do realize that Josh will likely be pulling out all the stops to keep his hooks in her once he realizes his post incarceration lifestyle will probably get the most resources with Anna and the kids as opposed to the meagre support likely to be forthcoming for a solo living setup.   For the children's sake I hope like hell enough anvils fall on her head to make her understand her priority should be her children's wellbeing.

 

I've actually wondered if in fact among the family JB & M haven't conceded Josh's guilt as well, but simply were unable to voice it in the public statement that was issued.   

 

[dariafan]

13 hours ago, Absolom said:

The name Howard came from Homicide: Life on the Streets.  Melissa Leo played Kay Howard.  File that under things I shouldn't know.

People ask about the jail visits with Josh and aside from not being able to give him anything, the visits being remote, they have to be scheduled at least 24 hours in advance, and even remote, they're limited to two adults and two children per visit.  So for Josh and family to be following the rules Anna is going to have to schedule a pile of visits just for him to say Merry Christmas to all his kids.  Do we think they're really going to follow those rules?

Ohhh ohhhh. Let me let me !!!$&. Hellz no 

[Cinnabon]

4 hours ago, merylinkid said:

I am reminded of when Paris Hilton was in jail for her unpaid traffic ticket.   Her parents showed up and everyone else had to wait to see their family members because of "security."  I can see the Duggars expecting the same treatment and being shocked that no one gives a damn.   They will be treated just like any other visiting family.  

Do you remember that picture of her crying in the car on the way to jail? I think I had that as an avatar for a short while 🤣

[Cinnabon]

Has anyone else seen this? No new information but contains some of Meshelle’s old cringey statements. Sorry kids, this story ain’t going away.

Josh Duggar's cousin Amy appears to call the father-of-seven a SOCIOPATH on Twitter - as it's revealed he will NOT get conjugal visits with wife Anna while in prison

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10329541/amp/Father-seven-Josh-Duggar-wont-conjugal-visits-wife-Anna-prison.html

 

 

[Guest]

Hey everyone... gentle nudge to get back on topic.  TWOP histories are best suited for the Small Talk thread.  

[Tabbygirl521]

12 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

Do they ever follow the rules? 

They think only God (as they define God) has any authority over them. 

[mittsigirl]

13 hours ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

NO BOARDS ON BOARDS!

I still have no idea what that meant. 

OBVIOUSLY you failed to read all bazillion pages!

Sorry, I Am AN IDIOT!! I should just ban myself.

[mittsigirl]

5 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Do we think this family is organized enough to plan that far ahead?    If by some miracle they do, I am presuming you have to be ON TIME or you lose your slot.   Which is a whole other issue for this family.

CONVICTED PEDOPHILE Josh now has to follow a strict schedule.   he can't just do what he wants when he wants.   Having to do things for himself and not be waited on hand and foot by his siblings and/or his wife has got to be a revelation in itself.

(we shall not discuss how many user names I had at TWOP because I was always violating unwritten rules [i.e. a mod just didn't like what was posted].  Heaven forbid you tried to carry on a conversation either.   That was ALWAYS yelled at as Boards on Boards, apparentl you were just supposed to post your thoughts in a vacuum and move on.)

Moderating is HARD. I could never be one because I am too nice and don't like to hurt people's feelings, could never ban or mute anyone, forget the rules myself and everything would be a free for all and a huge mess!

Merry Christmas to the mods on this forum, and sorry for all of my screwups:)