Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Lemur]

I guarantee every "find my iPhone" "track my kid" "good driving spy app" will be on every piece of technology that Josh owns. I won't be surprised to learn that Anna has given all their family money to Jim Bob under some guise of protection so that Josh has to return to the fold with no control over anything.

A reformed Josh is going to be key to the Duggar media circus returning, even just to the point that TLC can use the reruns. Jim Bob is going to have Josh handcuffed to his side 24/7 once he gets out of rehab.

 

I say it's all moot. Josh will never be on mainstream television again.  Regardless of the fact that he cheated on his wife - which I truly do not care, that's between him and his wife - he still molested his sisters.  And there are enough people who aren't so willing to gloss over the incidents, and the parents' role in that, to keep him in the neither regions of even the most terrible cable system. 

Edited December 17, 2015 by Lemur

[Joe Jitsu913]

I guarantee every "find my iPhone" "track my kid" "good driving spy app" will be on every piece of technology that Josh owns. I won't be surprised to learn that Anna has given all their family money to Jim Bob under some guise of protection so that Josh has to return to the fold with no control over anything.

A reformed Josh is going to be key to the Duggar media circus returning, even just to the point that TLC can use the reruns. Jim Bob is going to have Josh handcuffed to his side 24/7 once he gets out of rehab.

I wonder if tomato-staking applies to married sons who fuck up the family's gravy-train?

[BitterApple]

I wonder if tomato-staking applies to married sons who fuck up the family's gravy-train?

Judging from the preview clips of Anna, she and the kids are living in the dorm rooms at the TTH, which I find incredibly odd. Anna's a grown, married woman. Does she really need a babysitter while Josh is away at Jesus Jail? I'm sure Michelle is happy as pie to have a new J'Slave take over nanny/homefoolin' duties, but I can't imagine Anna is happy living in that chaos. It seems tomato-staking does apply even when you're damn near 30.

Edited December 17, 2015 by BitterApple

[kokapetl]

So Anna, M1 and infant M4 live in the girls dorm, and M2 and M3 live in the boys dorms, but likely crawl into Anna's half bunk bed each night? That's fucked up.

[Guest]

So Anna, M1 and infant M4 live in the girls dorm, and M2 and M3 live in the boys dorms, but likely crawl into Anna's half bunk bed each night? That's fucked up.

 

It's more fucked up that it looks like they took over Jana's bed. Her name is stenciled onto the sleigh bed that they're crawling all over... 

Edited December 17, 2015 by Guest

[Aja]

Judging from the preview clips of Anna, she and the kids are living in the dorm rooms at the TTH, which I find incredibly odd. 

Odd and disturbing. It basically proves that Jim Bob and Michelle think of Anna as theirs (i.e. part of their brand), under their control like one of their own children. Why else would she not deserve the respect and privacy that Michelle gets? Anna's a married mother too. I just can't wrap my head around moving into my in-law's house after my husband, their stupid son, did that to me. Anna is absolutely under control. I vacillate wildly between feeling horribly for her and feeling like NOBODY is that stupid, she's just as in love with the gravy train as everyone else.

[Sew Sumi]

Jana just can't win, can she?

[MissT]

Looks like Amy and her husband are going to shunned from the family soon.  Someone has to help Anna.  

 

 

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-sex-scandal-family-using-porn-addict-wife-anna-ratings/

[lookeyloo]

I am not a defender of theirs, but is it possible that Anna wants to be there?  She is alone with 4 small children and who knows what her money situation really is.  Maybe she is there under duress, which I get, but maybe she doesn't want to be alone in her misery taking care of those 4 children. Even though we think Josh is a pig, she says she still loves him and from personal experience (not molestation or prostitutes, but a girlfriend he left me for) love just doesn't end that minute.  It is a process.  It was hard for me to get over all that.  And maybe she doesn't want to be rescued by her brother.  We don't know what goes on/went on with them.

[Guest]

Looks like Amy and her husband are going to shunned from the family soon.  Someone has to help Anna.  

 

 

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-sex-scandal-family-using-porn-addict-wife-anna-ratings/

 

Wow. Dillhole has zero tact.

 

Yes, the Duggars are exploiting Anna, but what does Dillon think he's doing by using Anna to get his name in print?

 

Pot, meet kettle. 

Edited December 17, 2015 by Guest

[Cherrio]

Happy Holidays and New Years to everyone.   I took a little break from the Duggars.

 

So, since I attended a few Friday night sermons I was wondering if someone could tell me where Josh is.  Did he actually leave there?

 Just a little update.

 Thanks !

[Aja]

I'm not suggesting she's there under duress. The Duggars don't need to rely on duress.That's why I can't decide if I feel badly for her that she's so thoroughly brainwashed that she actually believes she's better off with the Duggars right now in some sort of twisted attempt at penance/forgiveness/unity/Jesus, or if I don't feel badly for her because there's no way she doesn't realize how much bullshit this all is but has herself become dependent on TLC checks as her 401k and so happily goes to bat for them whenever they ask her to. In either case, I do hope she realizes that if they will giddily throw Josh under the bus to try to save their show, she's not in any kind of privileged position. I mean, of course, the reality is that Anna is in a better position than any of them at this point, in terms of the potential to create her own income stream and thrive, but NOBODY TELL HER THAT. SHHH!

[BitterApple]

Why is DUI Dill even inserting himself into this? It's none of his business and he barely even knows the Duggars. I guess Amy finally realized her singing career is going nowhere and decided to sell out her family instead.

[NikSac]

I am not a defender of theirs, but is it possible that Anna wants to be there?  She is alone with 4 small children and who knows what her money situation really is.  Maybe she is there under duress, which I get, but maybe she doesn't want to be alone in her misery taking care of those 4 children. Even though we think Josh is a pig, she says she still loves him and from personal experience (not molestation or prostitutes, but a girlfriend he left me for) love just doesn't end that minute.  It is a process.  It was hard for me to get over all that.  And maybe she doesn't want to be rescued by her brother.  We don't know what goes on/went on with them.

 

Totally agreed. I think Anna's in a pretty desperate situation. I hope she's doing what's best for her and the kids.  I'm not convinced she is and it might not be the choices I'd make, but still, I can see why someone might choose it.

[whydoiwatch]

That's why I can't decide if I feel badly for her that she's so thoroughly brainwashed that she actually believes she's better off with the Duggars right now in some sort of twisted attempt at penance/forgiveness/unity/Jesus, or if I don't feel badly for her because there's no way she doesn't realize how much bullshit this all is but has herself become dependent on TLC checks as her 401k and so happily goes to bat for them whenever they ask her to. 

No sympathy for Anna here. I believe she knows how much bullshit this all is, but she is a famewhore. What tipped the scales for me was her saying that Josh's behavior was a betrayal for Christians. WTF? She went on to say that their wedding and vows were viewed by Christians and those people were now aware of what has happened. If in any scenario Anna thinks that highly of herself and her pig husband and their ability to set an example for others, she is as arrogant as the rest of the clan. Her description of the situation as "it was hard" - really, Anna - is your vocabulary that limited?

[Aja]

That's true, it's pretty telling that Anna thinks that her undereducated, overinflated redneck douche of a husband banging strange (just like of millions of other undereducated, overinflated, redneck douche husbands) is so devastating for Christianity as a whole. Another layer of distaste, for me, is the fact that everything they're doing now is cloying, desperate, transparent begging of the public to continue to accept them. "I am so sorry to all of the Christians that were betrayed by my husband banging a porn star!" is Famewhoreese for "Please still think we look good!"

[Fuzzysox]

Josh cheating on Anna is like watching the equivalent of Teen Mom the Older Years. They all cheat because they got married/knocked up young then decided to have fun so they cheat.

[WescottF1]

Happy Holidays and New Years to everyone.   I took a little break from the Duggars.

 

So, since I attended a few Friday night sermons I was wondering if someone could tell me where Josh is.  Did he actually leave there?

 Just a little update.

 Thanks !

 

As far as we know he's still here in Rockford.  No evidence to the contrary yet.

[JoanArc]

I have virtually no sympathy for Anna until she address the ' I knew he was a molester when I married him' press release. She's in a tough spot - but she made her (Jana's) bed.

 

WTH does Jana sleep? Jessa's couch between diaper changes?

 

 

Odd and disturbing.

What, moving into the dorm room designed to prevent further molestation of his sisters by your husband? Having your four kids slide into Duggar kid roles so easily? A nearly 30 year old woman with no agency? Sleeping yards away from sexorium the people who created/enabled/ignored/bungled a child molester? (I'd also like to hear Jill explain what 'safeguards' Jill is putting in place - since she seems to see her own son as a potential criminal)

[JenCarroll]

No sympathy for Anna here. I believe she knows how much bullshit this all is, but she is a famewhore. What tipped the scales for me was her saying that Josh's behavior was a betrayal for Christians. WTF? She went on to say that their wedding and vows were viewed by Christians and those people were now aware of what has happened. If in any scenario Anna thinks that highly of herself and her pig husband and their ability to set an example for others, she is as arrogant as the rest of the clan. Her description of the situation as "it was hard" - really, Anna - is your vocabulary that limited?

This is exactly what hit me. What unbelievable arrogance. Honestly the whole family's "We're so betrayed because our family stands for a belief in marriage" shtick is annoying. Anna, for pity's sake, a whole lot of the godless heathens are doing "marriage" much better than you and Josh have managed.

[GeeGolly]

I'm not suggesting she's there under duress. The Duggars don't need to rely on duress.That's why I can't decide if I feel badly for her that she's so thoroughly brainwashed that she actually believes she's better off with the Duggars right now in some sort of twisted attempt at penance/forgiveness/unity/Jesus, or if I don't feel badly for her because there's no way she doesn't realize how much bullshit this all is but has herself become dependent on TLC checks as her 401k and so happily goes to bat for them whenever they ask her to. In either case, I do hope she realizes that if they will giddily throw Josh under the bus to try to save their show, she's not in any kind of privileged position. I mean, of course, the reality is that Anna is in a better position than any of them at this point, in terms of the potential to create her own income stream and thrive, but NOBODY TELL HER THAT. SHHH!

I just watched the Survivor finally last night. This feels like how they think with alliances, bending morals, and winning big.  She better watch out, she could be voted off next.

[becca3891]

Judging from the preview clips of Anna, she and the kids are living in the dorm rooms at the TTH, which I find incredibly odd. Anna's a grown, married woman. Does she really need a babysitter while Josh is away at Jesus Jail? I'm sure Michelle is happy as pie to have a new J'Slave take over nanny/homefoolin' duties, but I can't imagine Anna is happy living in that chaos. It seems tomato-staking does apply even when you're damn near 30.

We cannot forget the extreme patriarchy they live by. Part of their belief system centers around "umbrellas of authority" and protection. Women ALWAYS need to be under male authority, father and later husband. Because Josh is not currently able to meet their standards as her authority, she must live with either her father or Boob. Living alone with the kids is simply not an option. And I'm guessing she prefers all the hustle and bustle of the busy house, which might help take her mind off things, the friendship of Jana, Jinger and Joy, and all the free childcare.

[Loves2Dance]

We cannot forget the extreme patriarchy they live by. Part of their belief system centers around "umbrellas of authority" and protection. Women ALWAYS need to be under male authority, father and later husband. Because Josh is not currently able to meet their standards as her authority, she must live with either her father or Boob. Living alone with the kids is simply not an option. And I'm guessing she prefers all the hustle and bustle of the busy house, which might help take her mind off things, the friendship of Jana, Jinger and Joy, and all the free childcare.

This is also why I think John David made the statement he did in the special about his brother and how that was the hardest thing for him to say. In the Duggar family, Josh was the man of the family and if anything were to happen to JB, it would be him sliding into his shoes. Now that he's fallen from Grace a few too many times, that role shifts to John David. 

[DangerousMinds]

If JB had passed away while Josh still had the cushy DC job, does anyone really think he would have quit his job to rush home to Arkansas?

[Saylii]

If JB had passed away while Josh still had the cushy DC job, does anyone really think he would have quit his job to rush home to Arkansas?

If he was the executor of Jim Bob's estate, you bet he would. No middling father to deal with, holding all the purse strings of your entire family, and the ability to negotiate directly with TLC? We would be watching 19 Kids & Grieving right now. I also think he would have hired a good enough lawyer to suppress the molestation documents before they got out. He would have become an extra heaping of Smuggar, but I think he would have done it happily to control the empire.

Now if Jim Bob was going to make a lawyer the executor of his estate and let Michelle have the money, Josh would have sulked away to the nearest tabloid to spill as many beans as he could without besmirching his name.

[Wishing Well]

This is exactly what hit me. What unbelievable arrogance. Honestly the whole family's "We're so betrayed because our family stands for a belief in marriage" shtick is annoying. Anna, for pity's sake, a whole lot of the godless heathens are doing "marriage" much better than you and Josh have managed.

I'm living the single life and I'm doing better at marriage than those two.

[DangerousMinds]

Since Anna has always been so sheltered, I wonder if she is even aware of the many, many marriage/sex scandals that have become public over the years involving "Christians?" So so many.

[GeeGolly]

Since Anna has always been so sheltered, I wonder if she is even aware of the many, many marriage/sex scandals that have become public over the years involving "Christians?" So so many.

I wonder that too.

At least Anna has the insight to know that they were holding themselves up as an example of Christian marriage (whatever that is) and because of Josh they failed miserably.

[Loves2Dance]

I wonder that too.

At least Anna has the insight to know that they were holding themselves up as an example of Christian marriage (whatever that is) and because of Josh they failed miserably.

 

Given that their image was being used by the FRC for the young Christians of today, I'm not surprised that Anna understood how badly this looked. However, being completely honest, I think some of it is also likely embarrassment---whether she knows it or not. In her shoes, I would be embarrassed and I wasn't raised to believe it would have been my fault. 

[floridamom]

My opinion on Anna's current address is this: She is living with the Duggars because they can pay her bills for her. This girl does NOT KNOW HOW to live by herself and manage the economics of a simple household. I doubt that she knows much more than how to swipe a debit card at Aldi's, let alone pay bils, balance check registers, etc. I think Pa Keller and Pa Duggar spoke on the phone as to "who was to assume Anna + 4" and Pa Keller said that he couldn't afford 5 more in his household. Since it is JB'S SON'S FAULT that he screwed Anna's situation up, it was JB who should accept responsibility for his son's actions. Why they are treating Anna as an unmarried child, is beyond me. This grown woman WITH 4 CHILDREN of her own shouldn't be sleeping in the girl' dormitory. It is just "sick" IMO to do so. It goes to show you how this family, just piles them in like sardines in a can with little regard for anything else...except, of course, for King James Robert and Queen Michelle Annette.,.who have a suite AND A BATHROOM all to themselves..with a lock on the door, ON THE INSIDE.

[kokapetl]

I can only hope Anna gets to live in the pool house with her family as a "caretaker".

Edited December 19, 2015 by Kokapetl

[Muffyn]

Happy Holidays and New Years to everyone.   I took a little break from the Duggars.

 

So, since I attended a few Friday night sermons I was wondering if someone could tell me where Josh is.  Did he actually leave there?

 Just a little update.

 Thanks !

Cherrio, almost no one was watching last night.  I only saw the first half hour.  They switched up the format, so Cisco spoke first.  He had practiced up to tell us which bible verses to use to convert our heathen friends and relatives.  That's what Christmas is for - proselytizing!  he also subtly addressed some of the issues we had brought up on prior chats, such as why do actions not count/why is being saved enough, to heck with what you do (a.k.a. damn Catholics and their belief in good works) and we know we keep talking up how we are all sinners and god hates sinners, but god really is all about the love so forget our glee when bad things happen to people who sin, No defense of their sham counseling without trained counselors.  Another of our people signed on later.  I didn;t see the crowd at all so I had no potential Smuggar sighting.  

 

No middling father to deal with, holding all the purse strings of your entire family, 

And the typo of the day goes to SAYLII!  

Edited December 19, 2015 by Muffyn

[Cherrio]

Cherrio, almost no one was watching last night.  I only saw the first half hour.  They switched up the format, so Cisco spoke first.  He had practiced up to tell us which bible verses to use to convert our heathen friends and relatives.  That's what Christmas is for - proselytizing!  he also subtly addressed some of the issues we had brought up on prior chats, such as why do actions not count/why is being saved enough, to heck with what you do (a.k.a. damn Catholics and their belief in good works) and we know we keep talking up how we are all sinners and god hates sinners, but god really is all about the love so forget our glee when bad things happen to people who sin, No defense of their sham counseling without trained counselors.  Another of our people signed on later.  I didn;t see the crowd at all so I had no potential Smuggar sighting.  

 

And the typo of the day goes to SAYLII!  

Thanks Wescott and Muffyn.      I am tempted to sign on as Tub of Butter to try and seduce Cisco.

[Micks Picks]

All this time, and I am still trying to understand this "saved" business.  I really do not understand how you are saved and then all is good from then on.  If you belong to one of these churches, are there no real efforts at helping the poor and sick?  The New Testament is full of examples of Jesus doing good works.  I mean doing something, not praying over somebody.  When I think of the religious people I know who actually help others, not pray over them, it is hard to imagine churches or groups who feel no need to do so.

[Vaysh]

All this time, and I am still trying to understand this "saved" business.  I really do not understand how you are saved and then all is good from then on.  If you belong to one of these churches, are there no real efforts at helping the poor and sick?  The New Testament is full of examples of Jesus doing good works.  I mean doing something, not praying over somebody.  When I think of the religious people I know who actually help others, not pray over them, it is hard to imagine churches or groups who feel no need to do so.

 

Same here. I've never been able to understand the mindset that good works have no meaning when it comes to your faith or whether you'll go to heaven or not. Especially since the Bible is actually pretty clear that faith without accompanying works is a dead faith. (James 2:14-26 if I understand the passage correctly).

 

And it doesn't even make sense in their own context. Because it clearly matters what Josh did. His actions, or "works" or whatever you want to call it is why he was disgraced and sent to Jesus Jail for prayer and repentance and finding Jesus. But if you've been saved once and accepted Jesus as your saviour (which in Josh's case appears to have happened at least twice), isn't that enough? And if works are not important, why all the legalism? Why are the Duggars and their ilk so anxiously following all these petty, arbitrary rules if, in the end, they have no impact on their salvation?

 

Or is faith not enough to be saved if you do bad things but is enough to be saved when you just fail to do good things? It all sounds like a peculiar mix of control and cop out and it's very confusing to me.

[Churchhoney]

All this time, and I am still trying to understand this "saved" business.  I really do not understand how you are saved and then all is good from then on.  If you belong to one of these churches, are there no real efforts at helping the poor and sick?  The New Testament is full of examples of Jesus doing good works.  I mean doing something, not praying over somebody.  When I think of the religious people I know who actually help others, not pray over them, it is hard to imagine churches or groups who feel no need to do so.

 

Martin Luther: "The first and chief article is this: Jesus Christ, our God and Lord, died for our sins and was raised again for our justification (Romans 3:24-25). He alone is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29), and God has laid on Him the iniquity of us all (Isaiah 53:6). All have sinned and are justified freely, without their own works and merits, by His grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, in His blood (Romans 3:23-25). This is necessary to believe. This cannot be otherwise acquired or grasped by any work, law or merit. Therefore, it is clear and certain that this faith alone justifies us "

 

The idea is that once you're saved you will do good works, tons of them actually, on Luther's account. But the multiple good works you'll be doing all the time are a sign of your faith and your salvation. If you have faith and are saved, you'll be impelled from within to do good works. However, they aren't the means by which you get saved.

 

Aaaaaand .... judging by how many actual "good works" we've seen the Duggars do, what do we conclude about their state of faith and their salvation (from Luther's point of view anyway)? I don't think the giant bags of dum dums cut it.... Must say this makes me laugh.

 

(Of course, other Protestant theologians, such as Calvin, have somewhat different takes. Luther's was more or less the founding view for Protestants, though, and the other churches tend to have variations of what he said -- Of course, what actual present-day people do when they claim to be in accord with fundamental Protestant belief often varies wildly from what the founding documents said. Wildly, and without logical basis, just whatever strikes people's fancy -- whether that fancy is to be bigoted or lazy or whatever.... Much of religion as she is actually practiced is pure wishful thinking, as far as I'm concerned.)

Edited December 19, 2015 by Churchhoney

[queenanne]

Good answer, Churchie, and also that helpful verse in Ephesians 2, 8-9:

 

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.

 

The Old Testament was clearer and better at "lest any man should boast", I feel - but it's the faith that comes first and brings the salvation.  The faith is not supposed to be tied to works, because tying it to works is like saying you can earn your way into heaven.  Otherwise, the belief goes, people would spend all their time worrying about whether or not they had "done enough" to earn salvation - which is a problem, in a world where God exists as an inchoate entity.  "God sees and knows the heart".  There's no "rescue 6 dogs from a burning building and also 2 marriages", blah de blah, because how would you ever "know" that this equals "salvation"?

 

in short, your salvation is not contingent on units you toll off on some mental abacus.  You don't have to earn your way.  Salvation is a free gift.  The salvation is supposed to inspire you to help the widows and orphans.  Merely building an orphanage, won't do doodly in reverse for salvation, if your heart isn't "right with God."

Edited December 20, 2015 by queenanne

[Micks Picks]

Something still doesn't feel right with this salvation business.  How would you know you are saved in the special way they seem to think they are saved.  Everybody apparently is saved.  If everybody is saved, that's it, all this special rules is unnecessary.  And a saved person would not be doing big sins like Josh has or a serial murderer or a man who starts fist fights with everybody.  Then again, all sins are the same to them, so that doesn't make any sense to me either.  To me if you loved God you'd want to help others.  You'd want their lives to improve in ways that improve access to food, health, and education and sanitation--that sort of thing.  People who don't love God because they say they don't believe manage to exhibit that behavior.  Why don't they?

Edited December 20, 2015 by Micks Picks

[GeeGolly]

Replying and asking questions related to the above discussion in the religion thread.

Edited December 20, 2015 by GeeGolly

[Churchhoney]

Something still doesn't feel right with this salvation business.  How would you know you are saved in the special way they seem to think they are saved.  Everybody apparently is saved.  If everybody is saved, that's it, all this special rules is unnecessary.  And a saved person would not be doing big sins like Josh has or a serial murderer or a man who starts fist fights with everybody.  Then again, all sins are the same to them, so that doesn't make any sense to me either.  To me if you loved God you'd want to help others.  You'd want their lives to improve in ways that improve access to food, health, and education and sanitation--that sort of thing.  People who don't love God because they say they don't believe manage to exhibit that behavior.  Why don't they?

 

But this is the wishful thinking part. You can't pin the way stupid, ignorant, venal, mean and, in the case of some of the Duggars, possibly insane people interpret a religion on the religion, or its scriptures or its theologians. These are very minor beings who want things in a certain way the way a tantrumming two-year-old does and they grab onto a "faith" (or a philosophy or a political ideology) and pretend that it means exactly what they want. 

 

They aren't interpreting theology accurately or consistently or with benign intent. They're just wanting to have their own way -- a stupid, psycho way, in this case -- and are grabbing onto bits and pieces of theology that they can toss together to make it seem (to them as well as to others) that their way is the right way and the best way. You can't look at their "theological interpretations" as being anything except the wishful thinking and arguing of a kid whose dog ate his homework or who swears he saw a burglar taking the cookies from the cookie jar. Except their excuses supposedly come from a revered book and a longstanding religious tradition, so they manage to convince some people that the excuses are accurate. 

 

We just can't conclude that the religion itself makes no sense because its interpretation by Josh, Anna, Jim Bob, Michelle and Gothard -- to cover their own heinies and make themselves feel good -- because these people are wishfully thinking, true dumb-asses who have no logic or reason at all but are mad with desire for rationalizations for their wants and behaviors. (which often boil down to -- I want everything I do to be right and everything anyone else does to be wrong.) What you're describing and naming isn't the Protestant faith as laid out by its theologians and serious adherents but as laid out by a bunch of idiots who grab onto it as a cover for doing whatever the hell they want. 

 

It's the misfortune of theologians and philosophers that there are way more people who'll do that kind of thing than there are people who will take ideas seriously and try to do right things rather than doing just what they want. 

Edited December 20, 2015 by Churchhoney

[queenanne]

I also realized I wasn't very Joshy in my discussion, and have responded in Religion thread. :)

[Maizie131]

Must admit I watched the 2nd installment last night and, as others have said, I'm pissed I lost that hour of my life & want it back!  Every time one of them used that ridiculous phrase, "walking through...", I said to the TV -  "a pile of shit!"  Anyhow, this article on front page of FoxNews.com today.  Poor, poor Anna.  smh

 

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/12/21/no-duggar-divorce-anna-vows-to-stand-by-cheating-hubby-josh/?intcmp=hpff

[kokapetl]

Must admit I watched the 2nd installment last night and, as others have said, I'm pissed I lost that hour of my life & want it back! Every time one of them used that ridiculous phrase, "walking through...", I said to the TV - "a pile of shit!" Anyhow, this article on front page of FoxNews.com today. Poor, poor Anna. smh

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/12/21/no-duggar-divorce-anna-vows-to-stand-by-cheating-hubby-josh/?intcmp=hpff

No Duggar divorce! Anna vows to stand by cheating hubby Josh

(Spoiler alert! The following contains spoilers from "Jill & Jessa: Counting On")

Fox News lying like the Rupert Murdoch owned piece of garbage it is. Anna standing by Josh was apparently the only remotely spoiler worthy thing in the show.

Fun Fact!: Rupert Murdoch lost his Australian citizenship in 1985 when he acquired, through murky machinations, American citizenship to purchase the New York Post.

Edited December 21, 2015 by Kokapetl

[JoanArc]

I haven't watched the show yet, but I'm glad she addressed the marrying a molester thing. Now I can be free to hate her, without guilt. I do kinda doubt she knew right away, but she knew before the marriage. F anyone who does that, even if they think he's cured, or that you can put a positive spin on things. I don't envy her life situation, but she made this bed, in the Duggar girls dorm, he can lie in it. My infinite sympathy o the M'kids. They deserve nothing they've gotten in life.

[Tabbygirl521]

I haven't watched the show yet, but I'm glad she addressed the marrying a molester thing. Now I can be free to hate her, without guilt. I do kinda doubt she knew right away, but she knew before the marriage. F anyone who does that, even if they think he's cured, or that you can put a positive spin on things. I don't envy her life situation, but she made this bed, in the Duggar girls dorm, he can lie in it. My infinite sympathy o the M'kids. They deserve nothing they've gotten in life.

Who knows what she was actually told, though? Maybe it was described as non-invasive "curious" touching with the girls not protesting. And if the victims really were saying, "Oh, it was no big deal, and he has repent d anyway, and he hasn't done it again," Anna (the sheltered virgin) really might have had a very limited or accurate understanding of what this all entailed. Didn't she say something like she was extra shocked when she actually read the police report? (I may have that wrong.) More succinctly, she may have been lied to by people she has been conditioned to trust without question.

Couple all this with their very rigid belief system, and unquestioning obedience to parents who say you MUST forgive when a perp claims to be sorry, and it is a disaster.

This illustrates so clearly why it is wrong, wrong, wrong to perpetrate willful ignorance and "innocence" and to discourage critical thinking and independence, or acknowledging your true feelings. And Mommy and Daddy said he was The One and it was all OK with Jesus so that's that. My real question is whether her parents are equally simple and effed up due to their own upbringing. They pick sketchy spouses all the way around.

Edited December 21, 2015 by Tabbygirl521

[sometimesy]

Pity the M and M's, particularly the girls, because their parents, mother and father, are setting them up for a bleak future.

[Missy Vixen]

One has to wonder if Anna Smuggar has any idea at all how many people think she is deluding herself if she believes Joshley Madison has any ability to change. One also has to wonder what it is he's going to have to do that would be the last straw for her.

[Tabbygirl521]

One has to wonder if Anna Smuggar has any idea at all how many people think she is deluding herself if she believes Joshley Madison has any ability to change. One also has to wonder what it is he's going to have to do that would be the last straw for her.

I hate to think what that last straw would be. I am sure he will be on a very short leash. Will he rebel, sneak away, and do his thing? Will Anna ever be able to trust him off leash? Can he possibly be a changed person?

[JoanArc]

 

More succinctly, she may have been lied to by people she has been conditioned to trust without question.

I get what you're saying, and I believe it's possible, but at some point the responsibility falls to Anna. That point would be going on national TV, for a paycheck, and minimizing/defending/staying with Josh. She has to own it. That said, I'd like to kick Mister Keller right in the holiness sack, too. A molester and a gay guy, 'God' sure can pick 'em.

[Sew Sumi]

I get what you're saying, and I believe it's possible, but at some point the responsibility falls to Anna. That point would be going on national TV, for a paycheck, and minimizing/defending/staying with Josh. She has to own it. That said, I'd like to kick Mister Keller right in the holiness sack, too. A molester and a gay guy, 'God' sure can pick 'em.

Don't forget John Shrader, who forced Anna's sister and their (at the time) 6 or 7 kids to live in a pop up trailer. They're the ones now in Zambia where Esther is pregnant with her 9th or 10th kid, and John's conversion rate is not even a full handful. 

 

Anna's other sister is divorcing what was at first set up as another ATI relationship (although they both later denounced Gothard). The only successful relationships the Keller kids have are the two that weren't set up by the parents: Daniel/Candace and Suze/her boyfriend. So yeah, pretty grim batting average there, champ.