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hoosier80
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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
MargeGunderson

Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

doodlebug
doodlebug

Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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I'm wondering why do Jim Bob and Michelle feel the need to put out statements about Joshua? He is a grown adult, is he not? In the eyes of the law, whatever he does or doesn't do has nothing to do with his parents. Are they going to continue defending him when he's 47 and they're in their 70's?

This part is really baffling to me.  

 

I'm thinking that a prostitute would probably be pretty savvy about using birth control even if josh isn't.

 

Exactly!  They can't get pregnant left and right for extra bucks.  The chance abortion alone would cost them more.  Maybe I'm just crazy but I can't imagine (but I'm sure it happens if you are high on crack or something crazy like that) someone providing sex for money saying it's okay to not use protection. 

If I were Anna, I'd be more worried about what trouble Josh will be getting into. He's sly, as Jessa said, and the staff at this place is small. Josh will be something of a celebrity and I assume six months isolated at a facility not dealing with sex addiction is a recipe to cheat again.

Unless they keep those doors locked 24/7, Josh will be sneaking out - finding a hook up.  Plain and simple, Josh is not cut out for marriage.  He needs to ditch the place and get a divorce.  And after that, pay lots of child support and alimony.  

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Happyfatchick

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 I still really want to know the identity of Alice. Maybe a girl Josh done wrong before he was married, who wants to remain anonymous and still get the word out?

I know! After lighting the whole thing ablaze, Alice certainly died a quiet death, didn't she? Maybe Alice was indeed an "older woman" who's not here anymore to sit around saying, "Yyyyep. I tried to tell you". When I first started reading this forum (before the firestorm), I usually skipped the Josh/Anna thread. It was always one of the least popular - nobody could stand him, even then. Who would have ever guessed that JOSH would have ended up being the most used thread???

Last week sometime, someone called him "Pudding Boy" (sorry, don't remember who, to attribute it to the right source). I thought that was HILARIOUS - because here in the south (maybe everywhere, not sure), we have a habit of throwing the label "Puddin'" to a distinct class of people. A little lazy, a little dim, a little soft. For example, if some random guy said, "I don't know how to change a tire, I never had to before", some other random guy would give him a the "look" and respond, "well, come on, and I'll show you, Puddin'". Emphasis on the Pud. I meant to post: Lets PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start calling him Puddin!!!!

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kokapetl

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This part is really baffling to me.

Exactly! They can't get pregnant left and right for extra bucks. The chance abortion alone would cost them more. Maybe I'm just crazy but I can't imagine (but I'm sure it happens if you are high on crack or something crazy like that) someone providing sex for money saying it's okay to not use protection.

Unless they keep those doors locked 24/7, Josh will be sneaking out - finding a hook up. Plain and simple, Josh is not cut out for marriage. He needs to ditch the place and get a divorce. And after that, pay lots of child support and alimony.

Josh could sneak out, but he'd have to walk. Town looks really disorienting, everything is ranch style. Edited by Kokapetl
galax-arena

galax-arena

I'm not lesbian, but my older daughter - whom my husband and I have always loved and adored - is, and if the suggestion is that women become lesbians simply as an "option" because they can't access men,  I strongly disagree. This notion ventures perilously close to labelling being LGBTQ as "lifestyle choices," not the genetically-driven and immutable sexual orientations most educated professionals now correctly consider them to be. I believe there's certainly a spectrum of sexual orientation, running from strongly straight to gloriously gay. And I'm not discounting that some people - regardless of era - might experiment with a quick dip outside their usual pond. But I will never buy that people decide, simply as a concession to opportunity and convenience, to become genuinely lesbian (or gay, etc.); rather, they opt out of living in a manner that betrays their true selves and instead come to feel safe enough to be the authentic people nature (or God) built them to be.

I'm going to take this to the Small Talk thread!

HundFan

HundFan

Last week sometime, someone called him "Pudding Boy" (sorry, don't remember who, to attribute it to the right source). I thought that was HILARIOUS - because here in the south (maybe everywhere, not sure), we have a habit of throwing the label "Puddin'" to a distinct class of people. A little lazy, a little dim, a little soft. For example, if some random guy said, "I don't know how to change a tire, I never had to before", some other random guy would give him a the "look" and respond, "well, come on, and I'll show you, Puddin'". Emphasis on the Pud. I meant to post: Lets PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start calling him Puddin!!!!

Thanks, HFC!  Stuff like this is just one of the many reasons I love this board! Raised in Oregon and now living in California, I would never otherwise have access to cool regional patois like this. (I'd heard the term before, of course, but I had no clue re the pejorative meaning.)  I'm already making a list of people I will henceforth call "Puddin'."

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zenme

zenme

I should confess, I am a bleeding heart. I don't like the Duggars condemning people, but I don't like the Duggars being condemned either.

 

I totally get it, but the difference between the Duggars and me is that I will co-snark and do my condemning via this site, and not actively in the streets, with t-shirts and posters.  They don't have to read this site.

I understand that the Duggars have a right to believe what they wish, and live their lives as they wish, as long as they aren't breaking any laws. 

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galax-arena

galax-arena

I totally get it, but the difference between the Duggars and me is that I will co-snark and do my condemning via this site, and not actively in the streets, with t-shirts and posters.  They don't have to read this site.

Another difference is that we're not advocating for their civil rights to be taken away! I might criticize the Duggars for their religious beliefs, but I'm not trying to enshrine my anti-Quiverfull beliefs into law. 

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

I'm not lesbian, but my older daughter - whom my husband and I have always loved and adored - is, and if the suggestion is that women become lesbians simply as an "option" because they can't access men,  I strongly disagree. This notion ventures perilously close to labelling being LGBTQ as "lifestyle choices," not the genetically-driven and immutable sexual orientations most educated professionals now correctly consider them to be. I believe there's certainly a spectrum of sexual orientation, running from strongly straight to gloriously gay. And I'm not discounting that some people - regardless of era - might experiment with a quick dip outside their usual pond. But I will never buy that people decide, simply as a concession to opportunity and convenience, to become genuinely lesbian (or gay, etc.); rather, they opt out of living in a manner that betrays their true selves and instead come to feel safe enough to be the authentic people nature (or God) built them to be.

 

I do think this is quite true.

 

But I also think that our sexuality is mostly way way way more fluid than we give it credit for, and that when people are in situations where one thing is available and another isn't, a pretty large number will find out that they can also have, act on and enjoy attractions that aren't the ones that they may be most strongly wired for. I expect this is what happens in a society where heterosexual sex-and-affection contact is unavailable or limited for whatever reasons while same-sex people are widely available for contact. Boarding-school romances and prison romances do usually involve attraction, sometimes very strong attraction, from at least one of the parties and often from both. And then people graduate or get parole and the large majority live heterosexual lives, while some have their strongest wiring for their own sex.

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SometimesBites

SometimesBites

Quoting becca3891 the old fashioned way, because IPads are rough with the quoting thing...

"I can easily believe Josh having a double standard where he feels contemptuous toward strippers and prostitutes and sees them as unworthy of respect."

No double standard. He has no respect for women, period.

The more I hear about this guy, the more I'm thinking full-on pathology, not just a perpetual adolescent acting out.

Ha! Yeah...not a double standard for Josh. Just a standard.

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Churchhoney

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I'm wondering why do Jim Bob and Michelle feel the need to put out statements about Joshua? He is a grown adult, is he not? In the eyes of the law, whatever he does or doesn't do has nothing to do with his parents. Are they going to continue defending him when he's 47 and they're in their 70's?

 

When someone is as controlling as Jim Bob (and maybe Michelle, too), there's no such thing as someone aging out of their purview and control. Control freaks don't raise children. They conceive and give birth to appendages and accessories, and that state is lifelong.

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BitterApple

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For me, the absolute clusterfuck that Anna now finds herself in underscores how dangerous the Gothard courtship process is. You marry someone you barely know and have never been alone with. You can't have meaningful conversations because your calls and texts are monitored. There is immense pressure to make things work because failed courtship reflect badly on the family and may limit future options. Maybe if Anna had been allowed to date Josh normally she would have noticed the red flags.

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floridamom

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I think at this point, Josh and Anna would qualify to be on Jerry Springer; deadbeat, cheating husband, poor little doormat sheltered wife, etc! What trash the Duggar family is turning out to be. That "Alice" post called them trash too.

Does Jim Bob realize what a complete jerk he looks like now during that "night before the wedding 'legos' talk" he had with Josh? Josh could have drawn his father a map! Who goes in to a strip club/bar and asks the staff if they know who their father is? I don't get that at all. Did Josh think that his father went there on the sly and was well known to the staff or did Josh think that HE would be recognized from the community? Does someone know what's up with that one?

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lulu69

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Quoting becca3891 the old fashioned way, because IPads are rough with the quoting thing...

"I can easily believe Josh having a double standard where he feels contemptuous toward strippers and prostitutes and sees them as unworthy of respect."

No double standard. He has no respect for women, period.

The more I hear about this guy, the more I'm thinking full-on pathology, not just a perpetual adolescent acting out.

IMHO Josh is a creepy sick dude.

 

The InTouch stripper/porn actress claimed he brought a fucked up screen capture pic from one of her most extreme hard core films to sign. The pic was of her with her makeup all smeared and running down her face with her crying. She was like, 'Seriously? THIS is what you want me to sign?'

 

Just sayin, if a porn actress who had probably seen & done everything thinks you're fucked in the head, you're fucked in the head.

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Aja

Aja

Another difference is that we're not advocating for their civil rights to be taken away! I might criticize the Duggars for their religious beliefs, but I'm not trying to enshrine my anti-Quiverfull beliefs into law. 

Precisely. To paraphrase Voltaire, I may not agree with what these group-psychosis sickos say, but I will defend to the death their right to say it. Maybe not to the death, though.

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sleekandchic

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Some abstinence-only programs teach that condoms are essentially useless at preventing disease. So Josh may have figured it wouldn't make any difference.

Oh gosh, I had no idea. That's shameful. Thanks for the explanation, Anne Elk.

As for the Duggar parents making those official announcements for their 27-year-old son, I've always thought it centered around the older guys considering the show to be THEIR show with THEIR fans and THEIR profits, freebies and status. Even though Jim-Bob is the big honcho, anyway, I think the handling of the Josh affairs is all about Jim and Michelle's conviction that they are THE STARS of the show, and, therefore, they are the only people who should act as spokespeople.

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truthtalk2014

truthtalk2014

Last week sometime, someone called him "Pudding Boy" (sorry, don't remember who, to attribute it to the right source). I thought that was HILARIOUS - because here in the south (maybe everywhere, not sure), we have a habit of throwing the label "Puddin'" to a distinct class of people. A little lazy, a little dim, a little soft. For example, if some random guy said, "I don't know how to change a tire, I never had to before", some other random guy would give him a the "look" and respond, "well, come on, and I'll show you, Puddin'". Emphasis on the Pud. I meant to post: Lets PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start calling him Puddin!!!!

Hilarious!  The urban dictionary :  in the pudding club

(Chiefly British) Pregnant. Sometimes shortened to "in the club".

Did you hear? Amy's in the pudding club!   6 WORDS RELATED TO IN THE PUDDING CLUB

in the club  preggo  pregnancy  pregnant  embryo  up the duff

 

Or maybe they mean related to the hotel :  http://www.threewayshousehotel.com/pudding_club/

"After all, where else can you sleep surrounded by images of Syrup Sponge or Spotted Dick and Custard?"  Seriously- that is from the site. I can't make this stuff up.

 

We may never know about Pudding boy.  

CarolMK

CarolMK

I wonder if Josh even realizes that if he had decided to make a public statement stating that he should have never married Anna, he was leaving Anna and the kids but would continue to provide for them and stay involved in his children's lives, that he was brainwashed by his parent's belief systems and that he grew up in a cult, was repressed, etc. , that he would probably not only gain the sympathy of much of the American public, he'd also be very likely offered a book deal, a job, and television appearances. EVERY major talk show would probably want to have him on if he was willing to dis his parents on national tv.

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wovenloaf

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The InTouch stripper/porn actress claimed he brought a fucked up screen capture pic from one of her most extreme hard core films to sign. The pic was of her with her makeup all smeared and running down her face with her crying. She was like, 'Seriously? THIS is what you want me to sign?'

Whoa, that's so creepy. I hadn't seen that in the articles I looked at. I mean...it seems like one thing to have kinda liked the hardcore scene, and another to actually want the makeup-smeared/crying still shot to be the special one that you frame on the wall (figuratively). Ugh. 

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Satchels of gold

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I know! After lighting the whole thing ablaze, Alice certainly died a quiet death, didn't she? Maybe Alice was indeed an "older woman" who's not here anymore to sit around saying, "Yyyyep. I tried to tell you". When I first started reading this forum (before the firestorm), I usually skipped the Josh/Anna thread. It was always one of the least popular - nobody could stand him, even then. Who would have ever guessed that JOSH would have ended up being the most used thread???

Last week sometime, someone called him "Pudding Boy" (sorry, don't remember who, to attribute it to the right source). I thought that was HILARIOUS - because here in the south (maybe everywhere, not sure), we have a habit of throwing the label "Puddin'" to a distinct class of people. A little lazy, a little dim, a little soft. For example, if some random guy said, "I don't know how to change a tire, I never had to before", some other random guy would give him a the "look" and respond, "well, come on, and I'll show you, Puddin'". Emphasis on the Pud. I meant to post: Lets PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start calling him Puddin!!!!

d

I'm a southern transplant from the north, I never knew this and I'm pretty sure I've been called puddin!

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JenCarroll

JenCarroll

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I agree. I think the first statement is Jessa's and the second, Ben's.

Anonymous Family Member 1 said, "Josh's integrity is gone...I hope Anna finds the strength to make some changes." Also that "this is supposed to be a happy time." That could be Jessa (preggers) or it could be Amy (engaged). I think it's more likely Amy -- because it sounds like this person thinks Anna should leave, and I don't see Jessa saying something like that -- and the other one is probably Amy's mother. This same person also said, "Who did we spend Christmases with?" That sounds more like a relative to me, not someone living in the same house.

Just my guesses, obviously. YMMV

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I was reading about this so-called rehab that Josh went to on Gawker last night. I am gobsmacked at the level of stupidity in this family. As repulsive as Josh can be, I have actually started feeling a little sorry for him. I think he is the way he is, because he was raised in a cult by crazy, twisted, idiotic parents. Parents who have failed him at every turn. This fake rehab he was sent to will do nothing to help him, and will, IMO, only serve to damage him even more. I hope I'm wrong about this, but I see this ending very, very badly. I think every one of the Duggar kids should be removed from that home, because they are being raised in an unhealthy environment by parents who don't have a clue about anything, especially how to raise children. I would love to be locked in a room alone with Dumb and Dumber for about an hour, because I've got plenty I would love to say to them right now. I think they deserve to go straight to hell for the damage they've caused those 19 kids.

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 When I first started reading this forum (before the firestorm), I usually skipped the Josh/Anna thread. It was always one of the least popular - nobody could stand him, even then. Who would have ever guessed that JOSH would have ended up being the most used thread???

 

I have to hand it to him, when he decided to sin he really went 100%. Not just extramarital sex, but violent unprotected extramarital sex with porn stars!!! I know plenty of total heathens who've never come anywhere near that kind of depravity. No wonder those family members were blindsided.

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Barbie

Barbie

I have to hand it to him, when he decided to sin he really went 100%. Not just extramarital sex, but violent unprotected extramarital sex with porn stars!!! I know plenty of total heathens who've never come anywhere near that kind of depravity. No wonder those family members were blindsided.

Maybe Josh thought that this would be it and the family would dump him for this and he'd be free.... I bet he is shocked to find himself locked up in Jesus camp again.... 

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Fuzzysox

Fuzzysox

I'm sure like some of you, I'm getting pop up ads for addiction facilities. I just got a new one for finding out about B.E.D. - adult Binge Eating Disorder. Think Joshie knows what this is?

BEWARE don't open those links to that rehab place I got nasty adware on my Mac as well as other non stoop crap. It took me two days to get rid of it all and I have never ever experienced that on any Macs after 25 years of using them.

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I think I'm one of the few people here who actually 100% believes that Josh would be scary and violent towards a porn star he's paying to have sex with. I can absolutely see him calling her a whore and a slut and a million other horrible names while paying her for sex. 

 

Josh doesn't want to live the Gothard life, but I'm pretty sure he still believes in the main points they always touch on: the gays are evil and/or pedophiles, abortion is the actual worst thing ever, birth control is a tool of the devil, women are sinful temptresses unless they're following all of Gothard's rules on grooming and modesty aaaaaand talking with baby-voices, etc. etc. etc. 

 

I don't think he's doing these things and becoming guilt-ridden...I think Josh genuinely considers himself above the rules. And why wouldn't he? His parents have given him a get-out-of-jail-free-card since he was a teenager fondling his as young as 5 years old sisters. He's probably upset when he gets caught, but I don't think Josh actually intends to change his ways. I think he intends to put on a good face for the Gothardite world (since he owes pretty much his fame and fortune to the fundy fanbase), go through rehab, and come out of it a much more sly and subtle Josh. 

 

I'll fully admit that this could be a wrong interpretation of his character, but he was slimy to me even in the early specials; he strikes me as a boy who knows what he can get away with and doesn't care who he hurts unless it affects himself. He's willing to play by Gothard rules because Gothard rules have given him what he's gotten so far, and because he genuinely believes in all of the teachings that don't apply to him, but he doesn't strike me as someone who feels sorry for his actions, ever.

 

I can absolutely see the Josh Duggar that I think he is being the Josh Duggar that is described by the porn star he slept with.

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Defrauder

Defrauder

I think I'm one of the few people here who actually 100% believes that Josh would be scary and violent towards a porn star he's paying to have sex with. I can absolutely see him calling her a whore and a slut and a million other horrible names while paying her for sex. 

 

Josh doesn't want to live the Gothard life, but I'm pretty sure he still believes in the main points they always touch on: the gays are evil and/or pedophiles, abortion is the actual worst thing ever, birth control is a tool of the devil, women are sinful temptresses unless they're following all of Gothard's rules on grooming and modesty aaaaaand talking with baby-voices, etc. etc. etc. 

 

I don't think he's doing these things and becoming guilt-ridden...I think Josh genuinely considers himself above the rules. And why wouldn't he? His parents have given him a get-out-of-jail-free-card since he was a teenager fondling his as young as 5 years old sisters. He's probably upset when he gets caught, but I don't think Josh actually intends to change his ways. I think he intends to put on a good face for the Gothardite world (since he owes pretty much his fame and fortune to the fundy fanbase), go through rehab, and come out of it a much more sly and subtle Josh. 

 

I'll fully admit that this could be a wrong interpretation of his character, but he was slimy to me even in the early specials; he strikes me as a boy who knows what he can get away with and doesn't care who he hurts unless it affects himself. He's willing to play by Gothard rules because Gothard rules have given him what he's gotten so far, and because he genuinely believes in all of the teachings that don't apply to him, but he doesn't strike me as someone who feels sorry for his actions, ever.

 

I can absolutely see the Josh Duggar that I think he is being the Josh Duggar that is described by the porn star he slept with.

Well said.   I agree completely.

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3girlsforus

3girlsforus

I've got a question for those who say that Josh didn't want to live the Gothard life. Do you think he knew before Anna and the kids that he didn't want the Gothard life but went along with it because of JB/Michelle and the TLC gravy train or do you think he started experiencing the crushing responsibility of a zillion kids and maybe adding to that the move to DC and suddenly being around less fundamentalist people and he realized he didn't think this was such a great life.

 

I fully believe he doesn't want the Gothard life now. I just can't decide how long it's been that way. His parents never let him take ownership of his beliefs or his decisions so I'm not sure he really realized what he was doing until it was too late. Clearly he still has no backbone since he let JB/Michelle send him off to Brainwash Camp. Unless he really starts to 'man up' I don't see him even confronting the idea that he wants a different lifestyle. That's what he should be getting counseling for. 

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