Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[graefin]

Can't have a grown woman and four kids leading their own lives now, can we? 

Or, perhaps more to the point, thinking her own thoughts.

Edited August 26, 2015 by graefin

[Celia Rubenstein]

When I suggested that Josh had edited out the reference to his issues with pornography from his mea culpa because he was wanted to use it later to explain away the next shoe when it dropped, I was joking.  Well, I am thinking now that may actually sort of be what is happening.

 

I think Josh is going to emerge from "treatment" with a newfound understanding of what caused all his misbehavior - the sister molesting, the Ashley Madison account, the paying a porn actress for sex (and who knows what else will be exposed in the coming days).  It was all the result of the evil force known as pornography!!!   And Josh, having whipped his addiction to porn, will emerge from treatment a changed man, able to return to his high horse where he can once again lecture people on right and wrong and how they should be living.   Yep,  I think our Joshie is planning to make a living as an anti-porn crusader.  

 

He probably erased the reference to porn from his apology because he doesn't want to take away from its impact when he emerges and makes his big announcement.  

 

I think it may work, too.  Blaming it all on porn is a very convenient way for Josh to escape all personal responsibility for his inappropriate sexual behavior without having to place any blame on his parents and the way they raised him and be seen as un-Gothardy.  His target audience, the leg humping fundies who see no reason to hold men responsible for their behavior, will embrace him because they love a good redemption story (and the chance to talk about porn, lol).   I see a nice future for Josh traveling the country and lecturing and being holier-than-thou, with his steadfast, idealized fundie wife Anna, by his side. 

 

That is until he gets caught again, lol.

[leighdear]

I just keep finding things in the "application" that make me laugh!  The bold italics are of course mine....

Page 8. € No dating is allowed while the student is in this program. Our program focus is not on the development of personal relationships, but rather on the most important relationship - the one between man and Jesus Christ. All other existing relationships will be scrutinized to determine relevance to the maximizing of this primary focus. Any non-binding or non blood related relationships will most probably be put on hold until the completion of the program.

 

Work Performance Policy:

€ No sleeping or slacking off during work times. 
€ MEN: If a student compromises their work therapy program they will be required to spend the night at the local shelter.

 

P. 18  WE ARE NOT A MEDICAL FACILITY:  If your health requires you to see a doctor on a regular basis or more than twice a month, this program may not be for you.  We have no medical staff on site and are limited to simple first-aid.  In case of emergency we will take you to a local hospital, and in the case of a legitimate acute illness, we will be able to take you to a local clinic to see a health care professional.  If

doctor appointments become required on a frequent basis, you may be subject to a medical discharge from the program.
Do you understand that we are NOT a medical facility? (circle one)                                          YES   or   NO

 

P. 21  Have you, your parents or grandparents ever been involved in any occult, cultic, New Age, or other non Christian practices?                                                                                                                    Yes              No                                                             If yes, explain briefly:

 

 

List all addictions and/or behavioral problems you are experiencing that have caused you to apply to our
home:
How have you previously tried to solve your problems?

Edited August 26, 2015 by leighdear

[phoenix62]

I love this requirement from page 6...

No talk about sexual addiction?  I'm sure he can handle that!

That's odd. Wouldn't it be pretty important to discuss what problems led them to treatment in the first place? Mind, I'm not a doctor, but I've had to be in therapy...different reasons, though. I HAD to discuss things I'd done that were maladaptive and understand WHY.

It's just sad...

[3 is enough]

DD and her psychiatrist fiance are coming over for dinner tonight.  Can't wait to ask him what he thinks about this latest development.

 

phoenix62: Just further proof that there is no real therapy going on in that facility.  You are so right, it really is sad.

Edited August 26, 2015 by 3 is enough

[leighdear]

They state they have NO MEDICAL REPRESENTATIVES whatsoever. (Page 18) For anything mind medical or body medical. NO DOCTORS!

 

This place is a pray-it-away sham.  They even make the "residents" sign up for food assistance! (Page 25)

 

 

FOOD ASSISTANCE RELEASE
I, _____________________________________, understand that I may be asked to visit the
local Department of Human Services office to evaluate my eligibility for food assistance.  I
recognize that I am to do this so that I may offset the costs of my food while in the program
IMPORTANT* If you or any of your dependents have an active assistance case open in your
name in your home state (other than Illinois) you must inform the admissions coordinator with
whom you are working and disclose it on the application where asked.  By signing below, you
agree to adhere to all of the aforementioned stipulations. 
________________________________________________________________________
Signature                                                                                            Date
________________________________________________________________________
Print Name

Edited August 26, 2015 by leighdear

[lulu69]

I'm not so sure I believe the Daily Fail article. Scandals like these always bring bottom feeders out of the woodwork, looking for their fifteen minutes of fame. Not to mention polygraphs aren't foolproof and largely depend on the skill/experience of the person administering the test.

If Josh was actually in Philly during that time, I'll be suspicious, but right now I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

I admit, I too was skeptical at 1st, but then I read the full InTouch article (waiting on line in BJ's).

 

Talk about 'taking one for the team'!  It was about as disgusting as you might image with with details galore. I'm inclined to believe this porn actress/stripper/hooker as she was very specific about times, places, payment, etc... In addition, she stated that there many more shoes waiting to drop which would explain Josh's hasty retreat to 'rehab'. Better to be away seeking healing & spiritual counsel when more women come forward.

[Fuzzysox]

They state they have NO MEDICAL REPRESENTATIVES whatsoever. (Page 18) For anything mind medical or body medical. NO DOCTORS!

This play is a pray-it-away sham. They even make the "residents" sign up for food assistance! (Page 25)

Wow they are scamming the taxpayers of Illinois. Just what I wanted to hear especially since our state is broke that we have to feed Josh Duggar at his pray it away bible camp!

Edited August 26, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[Defrauder]

That's odd. Wouldn't it be pretty important to discuss what problems led them to treatment in the first place? Mind, I'm not a doctor, but I've had to be in therapy...different reasons, though. I HAD to discuss things I'd done that were maladaptive and understand WHY.

It's just sad...

True.  There is no way he can be helped if he is not allowed to talk about his 'problem'.  What's wrong with them?  Sounds like OK, while you're here you will bury all of your problems, go into denial about them, and do work. Yeah that's not going to work.

[3 is enough]

Oh, please, please, please, let the mainstream media pick up on the details of this sham facility.

 

Josh "get a job" Duggar on food stamps? Oh the irony!

Edited August 26, 2015 by 3 is enough

[Granny58]

"Hyles–Anderson College (HAC) is an unaccredited Independent Baptist college in unincorporated Crown Point, Lake County, Indiana.[2]"

 

And OF COURSE the place where most of these jokes went to school is a joke school.     

He would be a perfect fit. He has no real education either.

Your last sentence about his education hit me.  It's actually very sad, the way his life has gone so far.  Didn't he always dream of becoming a lawyer?  And he evidently doesn't believe this fundamental level of Christianity, though he may be a liberal Christian.  But none of it squared up with his parents' dreams for him.  I do hold him accountable for cheating on his wife, this is no free pass - but my god....if only he had been encouraged to lead his own life.  Is it too optimistic to hope that his parents see the problems with this type of parenting style and allow more freedom?  You can still be a moral person without this degree of repression.  

[wovenloaf]

My fear is they will insist that Anna remain under someone's headship while Josh is gone.  Can't have a grown woman and four kids leading their own lives now, can we?  

Out of the question! Because clearly ANNA is the one who has proven she can't conduct herself in a responsible manner! Better have Jim Bob tell her what to do, until the guy who blows grocery money on prostitutes can come back and start barking orders again! Yep, recipe for a successful family right here! I'm glad I have the Duggars to teach me these things. Better go let Mr. Wovenloaf know I'll just be perpetually eating for two, while he thinks for two, or five, or nineteen! Oh, wait. He won't be into that because he views me as an actual human being. Shucks. 

 

That's odd. Wouldn't it be pretty important to discuss what problems led them to treatment in the first place? Mind, I'm not a doctor, but I've had to be in therapy...different reasons, though. I HAD to discuss things I'd done that were maladaptive and understand WHY.

It's just sad...

I think it's just poorly worded. I assume they mean Josh can't go brag to his bunkmate about all his "conquests" (while leaving out the fact that he paid for them, of course). But then again, no need to talk about addiction out loud because god already knows the whole scene, right! Just read some prayer cards a few times, and *voila*! Healed of that pesky addiction! 

 

*barf*

[kellylovessnark]

They state they have NO MEDICAL REPRESENTATIVES whatsoever. (Page 18) For anything mind medical or body medical. NO DOCTORS!

This place is a pray-it-away sham. They even make the "residents" sign up for food assistance! (Page 25)

I know someone who went for alcohol treatment. They asked him about food assistance. This place is legit.

PS, I hope it's not too off topic. In this case, this place seems to be in line with what might be a common practice. Delete if necessary.

Edited August 26, 2015 by kellylovessnark

[Julia]

Gothard teaches that when a woman is abused by her husband in some way she needs to look at it as Jesus was wronged as well and he took it.  He really does teach that.   Following Jesus is not always easy but be comforted and strengthened to know that he was wronged too.

 

What, seriously? He gets to be Jesus when it's time to make decisions and she gets to be Jesus when she gets beaten? 

 

What I love about this cult is how they're all about the law and order except if they have to pay for it or be subject to it.

[leighdear]

 

Is it too optimistic to hope that his parents see the problems with this type of parenting style and allow more freedom?  You can still be a moral person without this degree of repression.

Sadly, way too optimistic.  Michelle & Jim Bob are all in, till the bitter end.  No way they can let up now.  That would simply be unacceptable to them. 

[3girlsforus]

Obviously they can't talk about why he's this way. Then he might blame Mom and Dad. There is no point in asking why when the Devil made you do it.

[cocobeans]

What reason would Josh have for being in Philly? Business?

DC (or Maryland where he was living at the time) is only about 120 miles from Philly.  Outside of bad traffic times you could make that drive in 2 hours, interstate 95 most of the way 70 mph.

 

This is exactly what I expected to come out, I bet Josh figured that going to Philly removed the risk of getting caught.

[Cherrio]

Wow they are scamming the taxpayers of Illinois. Just what I wanted to hear especially since our state is broke that we have to feed Josh Duggar at his pray it away bible camp!

I would be screaming bloody murder about this to officials if I lived in Illinois.    I hope the national media picks up on this.

[leighdear]

The town of Rockford has the info and is suspicious already....

http://www.rrstar.com/article/20150826/NEWS/150829610

 

They've got every reason to be.  

Edited August 26, 2015 by leighdear

[3 is enough]

Guess that's why it costs $7500 for a 6 month stay- no professionally trained staff and no food.  The "inmates" are responsible for cleaning and maintenance.

Sweet scam- somebody is making a nice chunk of change .  

 

Yes! Let the national media run with this one. 

 

Or tell John Oliver and his Church of Our Lady of Perpetual Exemptions about it ;)

 

Oh Jim Bob.  Always looking for the cheapest alternative.

[3girlsforus]

The town of Rockford has the info and is suspicious already....

http://www.rrstar.com/article/20150826/NEWS/150829610

 

They've got every reason to be.  

 

I love the final quote in this article..... 'We don't focus on the addiction'.  Gee that sounds really effective.

[CousinAmy]

Poor Josh. He never needed to confess after all.

 

Ashley Madison is a scam "entertainment" service; most of the women on the site don't even exist. Gizmodo traced the email addresses of the "women" and found most looped back to AshleyMadison.com. They also traced how many "women" checked their inboxes or messages. Nearly zero. 

 

Josh confessed to being unfaithful because he was outed by the hack. But he probably never connected with anyone on the site. You know what they say if you are caught in a lie? "Deny, deny, deny." Too late now. 

 

 http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-madison-database-1725558944

 

Credit where it's due: Gizmodo is a part of Gawker Media.

Edited August 26, 2015 by CousinAmy

[elainebenis]

 

Work Program

Each student will serve as a volunteer in some fashion from 8-10 hours per day, and partial days on Saturdays. All work is considered donated services. Please understand that if you do not work as unto the Lord, you will not remain in the home. Proverbs 14:23 says, “in all labor there is profit” at Reformers Unanimous we believe work is God’s divine design for every man, and woman. Hard work develops character which is vital to making right decisions once you have finished with the program.

All students in the Discipleship Schools are required to maintain employment in the ministry, or with outside employers depending on particular job skills. These jobs enable students to learn hard work, character, and successfully coping with a real world environment, and remain stable. If you arrive without a strong work ethic, you will receive one while in this program. It may be one of the most important ingredients missing in your life.

 

My schadenfreude-meter just pegged. I hope Josh 'Get A Job, Moochers" Dugger gets six months of toilet duty.

[cocobeans]

 

...left Springdale Municipal Airport at 10:45 p.m. Monday and landed at the Chicago Rockford International Airport 12:17 a.m. Tuesday. It then left the Chicago Rockford International Airport at 12:25 a.m. Tuesday and landed at the Springdale Municipal Airport at 3:03 a.m.

Quote above from the linked article, bold mine

 

8 minutes on the ground?! JD didn't even stop the airplane.   Just slowed down and threw Josh and his suitcase out!

Bye Felicia*

 

LMFAO

 

*Edit to add an insult I forgot :-)

Edited August 26, 2015 by cocobeans

[Celia Rubenstein]

I don't know how effective the treatment this place offers is - I have my doubts.  But I am not so sure it is necessarily a "scam" to require people to agree that they may be asked to sign up for food assistance.  That doesn't mean you will necessarily be required to ask for aid, and it certainly doesn't guarantee you will get aid if you ask for it.  Wouldn't you still have to qualify?  If the state of Illinois thinks you deserve food assistance and gives it to you, how is that a scam?

 

I guess maybe some might think the program should pay for all food, since they are being paid money for the treatment program.  But is it really that wrong for people who are entitled to assistance to get that assistance, in order to help keep costs of the program down?  Is that really a terrible motive? This is not a program that caters to the rich and famous, after all.  If someone is out to get rich off this supposed scam, I doubt it will work.  The place only houses sixty people, max.  Even if half of them received food assistance, how much would that be a week? I don't see anybody making too much money from such a project. 

 

Not that I think this treatment program is worth a damn, of course, and I am not sure every dime spent on it is not wasted, but that is beside the point.  I just wanted to throw this out there. That being said, I wonder if Josh would qualify for assistance?  He is out of work, with a wife who stays home with four small kids.  Would that score you benefits in Illinois?  Anyone know?

Edited August 26, 2015 by Celia Rubenstein

[CofCinci]

They state they have NO MEDICAL REPRESENTATIVES whatsoever. (Page 18) For anything mind medical or body medical. NO DOCTORS!

This place is a pray-it-away sham. They even make the "residents" sign up for food assistance! (Page 25)

Explains why they're firm about their "bring 2 forms of ID" rule. They have the "sinners" (they aren't patients, they aren't clients, they aren't sponsorees, they aren't in treatment -- don't know what else to call them) apply for food stamps. I doubt the sinner is able to hold on to their food stamp card. The program must use the cards to buy food for the whole facility.

[Aja]

Poor Josh, having to get up at 4:30 am! And why do the men get dressed before breakfast but the women after?

Who do you think is making the breakfast?

[Celia Rubenstein]

Guess that's why it costs $7500 for a 6 month stay- no professionally trained staff and no food.  The "inmates" are responsible for cleaning and maintenance.

Sweet scam- somebody is making a nice chunk of change .  

 

In fairness, they make the patients do all the cleaning work at The Betty Ford Center, too.  

[bigskygirl]

My schadenfreude-meter just pegged. I hope Josh 'Get A Job, Moochers" Dugger gets six months of toilet duty.

He could ask Ben for tips.  I really need to step away from here.

[mbutterfly]

http://www.etonline.com/news/170605_josh_duggar_wife_anna_stands_by_her_husband_after_infidelity_admission_couple_hiding_out_cabin/

 

Pfft.

Have they started attending Cross Church regularly? I didn't know that. 

[3 is enough]

 

In fairness, they make the patients do all the cleaning work at The Betty Ford Center, too.

Point taken.  But this place is NO Betty Ford Center.

[WescottF1]

The town of Rockford has the info and is suspicious already....

http://www.rrstar.com/article/20150826/NEWS/150829610

 

They've got every reason to be.  

 

Ugh.  Why did they have to send him here?  Isn't there some program down closer to his Bible Belt roots that they could have pawned him off on?

[Celia Rubenstein]

Point taken.  But this place is NO Betty Ford Center.

 

My point is that a lot of rehab places insist the patients do their own housekeeping. It's not just the Betty Ford Center and it's not just this place.  It's pretty standard.  It's not a sign the program is a scam. 

Edited August 26, 2015 by Celia Rubenstein

[Churchhoney]

True.  There is no way he can be helped if he is not allowed to talk about his 'problem'.  What's wrong with them?  Sounds like OK, while you're here you will bury all of your problems, go into denial about them, and do work. Yeah that's not going to work.

 

It is the Duggar-Gothard philosophy of life, however. ... Well, except for the "do work" part.

[mbutterfly]

31 pages of the application & info.

http://ruhomes.org/wp-content/uploads/HOUSING_APPLICATION_Revised_January_29_FINAL.pdf

 

Page 3 & 4 schedules show on Saturday mornings the men get bible study and the women clean the buildings.  Idiots. 

Do the women go nekkid when not in church? 

[JennyMominFL]

Wow, this is fascinating.  How do you know this?  I'm copying and pasting for my own future reference :-)

I am a convert from Christianity to Judaism. In the procees I studied under Reform, Conservative and Orthodox Rabbi. My post was from Chabad.org.

Here is the link I should have

posted

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/510244/jewish/Ritual-purity-after-birth-of-males-and-females.htm

[Churchhoney]

Have they started attending Cross Church regularly? I didn't know that. 

 

No. That's just some more for-shit non-reporting "reporting" by another of these 24-7 repeat-the-rumor-without-checking-or-even-understanding-it media outlets.

 

This whole meme about how Cross Church is the Duggars' church -- and it's not; it's Southern Baptist, and JB is not -- started because Jill wrote that Cross Church was "our home church," meaning it's hers and her new headship's. Derick has gone there.Derick and Jill have gone there (and were married there), but the whole nonsense about its being the Duggar family's church is bull based on somebody's misunderstanding of what Jill meant and everybody else's parroting of that somebody, whoever that first somebody was.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Churchhoney

[3girlsforus]

My point is that a lot of rehab places insist the patients do their own housekeeping. It's not just the Betty Ford Center and it's not just this place.  It's pretty standard.  It's not a sign the program is a scam. 

 

I agree. There are things about the program that are normal for this type of facility. As someone above said the food stamp thing doesn't seem out of line either since it's up to the State of Illinois to decide if someone if eligible in the first place. 

 

What makes this place a scam is the lack of credentialed psychologists and medical personal and the fact that they willingly admit they don't address people's addition, just their spiritualness. 

[poopchute]

DC (or Maryland where he was living at the time) is only about 120 miles from Philly. Outside of bad traffic times you could make that drive in 2 hours, interstate 95 most of the way 70 mph.

This is exactly what I expected to come out, I bet Josh figured that going to Philly removed the risk of getting caught.

Sorry, I should have specified. I live in Philly, so I know he's close, just didn't think of why he would be coming here unless specifically for the strippers. So where does he tell Anna he's going, I wonder.

[Satchels of gold]

I'm going to look into this food assistance thing further. Food stamp criteria are managed by the individual states and residency requirements vary from state to state. It may not be illegal but it is not what the program is set up to for (spirit of the law v letter of the law) those benefits are meant for IL residents and not to subsidize some bogus treatment center. i think when people start snooping around this treatment center they are going to rue the day they heard the name Josh Duggar.

[Churchhoney]

 If the state of Illinois thinks you deserve food assistance and gives it to you, how is that a scam?

 

 

Well, it's possible that it isn't. But I think it's also possible that somebody in the state government has ties to these people and will look the other way while they get bucks forwarded to them for food even when the request is questionable and skirts the rules. I think Gothard, for example, has had some possible sweetheart deals with the Illinois government in the past, hasn't he? ......

 

I'm not saying this is the case. But if it were the case, it certainly wouldn't be the first time that somebody knew somebody in government who got them a better deal than they would have gotten had the rules been followed closely. (A better deal in this case being that somebody can come to their program and pay them for food, even though that somebody might be only borderline eligible for the food stamps or not have fulfilled a residency requirement, or whatever.)

Sorry, I should have specified. I live in Philly, so I know he's close, just didn't think of why he would be coming here unless specifically for the strippers. So where does he tell Anna he's going, I wonder.

 

To the mid-PA countryside to talk to some nice conservative Pennsylvanians about family values?

Edited August 26, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Jusagirlintheworld]

Josh is doing porn stars WITHOUT protection. Get tested, Anna!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3210828/Porn-star-says-terrifying-rough-sex-disgraced-Josh-Duggar-TWICE-wife-pregnant-fourth-child.html

[Fuzzysox]

He could ask Ben for tips.  I really need to step away from here.

Don't leave the party is just starting!

I'm waiting for the big announcement that Bristol Palen's baby is Josh's. And Famy crying that her wedding thunder has been stolen because of it.

[Julia]

Ashley Madison is a scam "entertainment" service; most of the women on the site don't even exist. Gizmodo traced the email addresses of the "women" and found most looped back to AshleyMadison.com. They also traced how many "women" checked their inboxes or messages. Nearly zero. 

 

Well, I guess the hackers (note: this is not an endorsement) found the one breach in Ashley Madison's armor. Because nobody out there has any reason _not_ to join a class action suit any more.

[Defrauder]

I believe Danica.  Who would want to admit to having Josh relations.  She definitely didn't enjoy it, so yeah from the horrid description of what transpired and how desperate he was to cheat (paying $250 to AM for a guaranteed affair) I think the whole thing went down just like she said. He seems to have an affinity for strippers and of course porn stars.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Defrauder

[Celia Rubenstein]

Well, it's possible that it isn't. But I think it's also possible that somebody in the state government has ties to these people and will look the other way while they get bucks forwarded to them for food even when the request is questionable and skirts the rules. I think Gothard, for example, has had some possible sweetheart deals with the Illinois government in the past, hasn't he? ......

 

I'm not saying this is the case. But if it were the case, it certainly wouldn't be the first time that somebody knew somebody in government who got them a better deal than they would have gotten had the rules been followed closely. (A better deal in this case being that somebody can come to their program and pay them for food, even though that somebody might be only borderline eligible for the food stamps or not have fulfilled a residency requirement, or whatever.)

 

Well I do know one thing for sure - if this place is actually up to any funny business with this food assistance stuff, someone is going to ferret it out because when it comes to the Duggars, rarely is stone left unturned, ha

 

 

 

 i think when people start snooping around this treatment center they are going to rue the day they heard the name Josh Duggar.

 

Indeed! 

Edited August 26, 2015 by Celia Rubenstein

[Oldernowiser]

Josh is doing porn stars WITHOUT protection. Get tested, Anna!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3210828/Porn-star-says-terrifying-rough-sex-disgraced-Josh-Duggar-TWICE-wife-pregnant-fourth-child.html

I'm sorry, but Josh Duggar would have to hold a gun to my dogs' heads before I would have sex with him. Fifteen hundred bucks? Twice, let alone once?

There isn't enough money in the world to make that worth it...

[Jusagirlintheworld]

I'm sorry, but Josh Duggar would have to hold a gun to my dogs' heads before I would have sex with him. Fifteen hundred bucks? Twice, let alone once?

There isn't enough money in the world to make that worth it...

ITA. It's the stuff of nightmares. Shudder.

[Churchhoney]

but my god....if only he had been encouraged to lead his own life.  Is it too optimistic to hope that his parents see the problems with this type of parenting style and allow more freedom?  You can still be a moral person without this degree of repression.  

 

Having come from a highly repressive environment myself, I've never really believed that the Duggar repression has the least bit to do with anybody thinking about how to lead children to be moral people. In my repressive household, the repression was clearly the product of an over-developed craving for power and a lot of narcissism, and while religion and moral behavior were mentioned, they obviously functioned only as tools of somebody's ego trip. Correctly or incorrectly, I've always seen Jim Bob and Michelle as looking, sounding, behaving just like my own family members. So I don't think a craving to foster children's morality and right religious belief has anything to do with it. It's all about their desire to control and repress somebody. And how wonderful to have 19 people to repress. An egotistical, power-mad narcissist's dream. ..... That's why they won't change their parenting style, I think. It's not about beliefs or ideas or theologies. It's about their very neurotic needs and cravings.

[TheFinalRose]

So I read the daily schedule. No way is Josh, a grown man, going to stick that one out. I can see him calling an Uber for a ride to O'Hare airport and walking out in broad daylight.