Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Satchels of gold]

I think God should lay it on Anna's heart to kick Josh's ass!

[becca3891]

Im not buying that Josh has a psychological problem. Not everyone who repeats certain behaviors is addicted, narcissistic, or stunted. Some are just assholes and feel entitled.

Right, some people just have no interest in monogamy but want the stability and benefits that marriage provides. I think that's the case with Josh.

 

I realized I posted it in the wrong thread, but I am kind of gleeful imagining Josh, whose biggest concern in my opinion is that now that he's back in Arkansas, his hope of finding women who don't know who he is has plummeted in the wake of not one but two scandals. Poor Anna actually may get her wish that he's "reformed," but for all the wrong reasons. He'll be too scared to try again, in my opinion. But we'll see.

 

Abandoning careers does seem to be a thing among Gothard men but David Rodrigues takes the cake. You really get the impression that this guy just didn't want to work anymore. And a printing business??? In this day and age, that is such a bizarre and dated concept. If someone needs to print out some homemade bible tracts, they can do that on their own printer at home.

I never read that narrative before. Is anyone else creeped out that her father quit his "good" job to spend the day reading bible stories to underage girls held captive by the juvenile justice system? With the way their culty circle is rife with pervs and abusers (hell, even Gothard himself!), the power differential between incarcerate juvenile and her father is quit concerning.

I am not one to defend Pa Keller, but my understanding is that he mentors men and his wife and daughters have mentored women. Of course, those who think Pa Keller is closeted may still find that creepy! But I honestly don't think it's a sexual thing. I think he's giving talks and bible studies in a group setting. I dislike his fundie beliefs, but I have more respect for prison ministry than for some other things.

[Aja]

I must have missed this, because someone must have linked to it before now.

 

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-cheating-scandal-friends-arkansas-strippers-facebook/

 

Also, here's a people article about his changing statements.

 

http://www.people.com/article/duggar-family-edits-josh-duggar-statement-pornography-addiction-unfaithful

The best thing about that Facebook piece is "Joe Smithson." In addition to everything else, he certainly is a creative thinker.

[Chaos Theory]

It makes me ill that wife Anna says she is partly to blame.

Why?

Because you turn him down for sex once on awhile ?

Because you're friggin tired, or have your period, or just plain don't feel like it ?

Because he really does not meet your own mental, emotional, or physical needs ?

Because Josh has poor hygiene and won't do anything about it ?

Because you won't do that...or that....or that other thing ?

I want to shake her and tell her SHE HAS RIGHTS.

SHE DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE SEX WHENEVER,.... OR HOWEVER HE WANTS IT.

She can say NO!

Sorry for the all caps, but I needed to get my points across.

But according to her "religion" she doesn't and according to her "faith" Josh cheating is all her fault. Edited August 21, 2015 by Chaos Theory

[magpye29]

In any case, creepy and awful to be the betrayed party in those pictures. Her smiles looked forced to me, but I don't think I could have mustered a look other than nausea in her position.

 

I'm with you, ChurchHoney, Anna's smiles look so pained that I hurt for her.

[Aja]

I was married to a dude for 20 years who cheated on me relentlessly and he didn't bother with discrete affair websites either. I don't have a Christian bone in my body but I stayed with the dude for a laundry list of terrible reasons that seemed perfectly justified to me at the time. I didn't need Jesus to start blaming myself and my shortcomings and I didn't need need a help meet mindset to convince myself that I was a kick-ass wife for being so open-minded and crap about it. You tell yourself all kinds of things because that somehow feels better than having to admit that you fell for something, that you had the wool pulled over your eyes, that he actually made a fool of you. And it doesn't matter what anybody else says--you know for a FACT that if you were somehow different, it might not have happened. And this is a dynamic that grew inside of me with zero outside influence. Anna's whole world is people who are going to agree with all those things she's already feeling. The real tragedy is that Anna's not going anywhere.

[Sew Sumi]

This came out after the first scandal, but it's worth a re-read to understand the Gothard mentality. Of note, women don't have sex drives, but men are hyper-sexed. This certainly gives men the out to cheat and otherwise be sexual assholes to their wives, including spousal rape. 

 

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/28/i_couldve_been_a_duggar_wife_i_grew_up_in_the_same_church_and_the_abuse_scandal_doesnt_shock_me/

[CousinAmy]

How was Anna counseling young women in juvenile Hall with only a home school education? Was she actually doing social work, or just preaching? Supposedly she's so simple and naive but here she is speaking with girls her age, with not any more wisdom then they had, and look where they ended up.

I don't buy that she is unable to leave because she has no support. Others have done it, from other cults and religions. Maybe she just doesn't want to struggle, but remain faithful to her in-laws, where the source of power and money in her world.

[HundFan]

Given how the Duggars minimized Josh's molestation of his sisters, I'm half waiting for a similar explanation re any actual affairs: "The women were unaware he was having sex with them because they were asleep. Plus the sex only happened with all their clothes on." Of course if he did have sexual contact with sleeping women, that would qualify as sexual assault, no? And that can't be true - since we know from the Duggars that Josh touching his sisters only amounted to being a little too curious. 

Edited August 21, 2015 by HundFan

[CofCinci]

OJ Simpson had a prank show in 2006. These people will get another show in the future.

[Sew Sumi]

How was Anna counseling young women in juvenile Hall with only a home school education? Was she actually doing social work, or just preaching? Supposedly she's so simple and naive but here she is speaking with girls her age, with not any more wisdom then they had, and look where they ended up.

I don't buy that she is unable to leave because she has no support. Others have done it, from other cults and religions. Maybe she just doesn't want to struggle, but remain faithful to her in-laws, where the source of power and money in her world.

The "insider" says that Anna definitely will NOT leave. 

 

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00087318.html

 

(much of this was from the People Insider article from last night)

[HumblePi]

The story just broke and some family insider claiming to have the lowdown on Anna's condition right now, is busy gossiping to People magazine, without identifying themselves of course. Anna hasn't spoken for herself and quite frankly she has more pressing concerns than issuing statements to the nosy press. I personally feel she should take the opportunity to kick Josh to the curb who grossly violated his vows and her trust for no good reason. But that's her decision. Unlike others, I'm not going to parrot the rants of the abusers within the Gothard camp and beat Anna over the head with the stay at all costs mantra. As someone else posted, if Hillary chose to stay with Bill, give Anna the space to choose. 

The Hillary Clinton vs Anna Duggar comparisons are vastly different. Hillary had personal political and financial motivations for remaining with Bill. It was something she needed to do in order to realize her own future ambitions. Remember, Bill Clinton was impeached as President of the United States but that impeachment was overthrown by the Senate. The infidelity that occurred between Bill and Monica was only made public because he had been confronted previously with allegations of sexual misconduct during his time as Governor of Arkansas, by Paula Jones, alleging that he had sexually harassed her. Lewinsky's name surfaced during the discovery phase of Jones' case.

 

Josh and Anna Duggar have an entirely different situation. There's four very young children involved and a huge factor in Anna's choices is the teachings and pressures of her fundamentalist Christian upbringing and brain washing. This will compel Anna to stand by Josh and to deflect the blame for his infidelities on herself. I don't think she'll ever 'kick Josh to the curb'. On the contrary I think Anna Duggar will be a good little Fundy wife and stand firm with her husband no matter what he admits to doing. Her motives aren't political or even financial. Her reasons for turning the other cheek and accepting Josh's infidelities are deep-seated and bred into her. She just isn't capable emotionally of doing what a normal woman does instinctively.

[ThinkerBell]

'Joe Smithson' notes in his FB Timeline that he Registered As An Organ Donor in 2004. The jokes write themselves, folks.

https://www.facebook.com/100002998494800/posts/467867383323207/?pnref=story

[Taylorh2]

I heard a reporter say on FOX News this morning that his parents have "distanced themselves from Josh"

 

Don't believe it for a min.

[BucFan]

 Guess Joshie-Poo wanted to play "Legos" with somebody else.

[Ilovemylabs]

I know that this is off topic but there are rumors out there that MK is on forced leave because she was mean to The Donald during the debate.

 

However, I really would like to see her take on Josh's latest sex scandal.

Also a bit off topic but Trump started that rumor.  Her vacation was planned a long time ago.

[Satchels of gold]

How was Anna counseling young women in juvenile Hall with only a home school education? Was she actually doing social work, or just preaching? Supposedly she's so simple and naive but here she is speaking with girls her age, with not any more wisdom then they had, and look where they ended up.

I don't buy that she is unable to leave because she has no support. Others have done it, from other cults and religions. Maybe she just doesn't want to struggle, but remain faithful to her in-laws, where the source of power and money in her world.

How was Anna counseling young women in juvenile Hall with only a home school education? Was she actually doing social work, or just preaching? Supposedly she's so simple and naive but here she is speaking with girls her age, with not any more wisdom then they had, and look where they ended up.

I don't buy that she is unable to leave because she has no support. Others have done it, from other cults and religions. Maybe she just doesn't want to struggle, but remain faithful to her in-laws, where the source of power and money in her world.

In order to call yourself a social worker you have to have at minimum a master's degree from an accredited school so whatever she was doing, it wasn't social work. More like, I don't to wash pots all afternoon so I will go listen to to the Jesus girl.

As for Hillary she was a Yale trained lawyer....she had choices.

Edited August 21, 2015 by nc socialworker

[camom]

I definitely think Anna will stay with Josh, if for no other reason than her church tells her she has to.  When I got a divorce from my cheating ex, a friend who is semi-fundie told me that the only reason men ever cheat is because their wives aren't meeting their needs.  It is always the wife's fault.

[subber]

Josh and Anna were both 20 when God laid it on their hearts to marry. For Anna, popping out offspring was paramount, while Josh at long last had a sanctioned venue for sexual release. His choices for Mrs. Josh Duggar, however, were extremely limited. While he no doubt fantasized about bedding strippers and porn stars, he had to pick from among a small cadre of fundie girls who only wore long skirts and puffy sleeved blouses, and whose conversation revolved around favorite Bible verses.

I have no doubt that Anna tried her hardest to please, but there's simply no way she could compete with what Josh was seeing online and wanted to experience for himself. At 20, he was completely unready to settle down and be anybody's husband. He remained like a hungry kid in an ice cream shop wanting to sample a bunch of different flavors and,apparently, he did.

Josh is responsible for this mess, but the culture in which they were both raised did them no favors. This has less to do with who Anna is, but a lot to do with what Anna represents --the sweet, modest girl with a closet full of long skirts and puffy blouses who wants nothing more than to be a dutiful wife and good mother. Josh no doubt respects all that, but that isn't what he wants as evidenced by his Ashley Madison and okcupid profiles. He wants plenty of casual sex with no responsibility, and he will no doubt continue to pursue it. Anna may have been turning a blind eye all along or this may have come as a shock. Either way, she's probably in it for the long haul as marriage and motherhood is all she knows and she neither wants nor needs anything more.

Edited August 21, 2015 by subber

[Honey]

Poor Joshie.  He obviously isn't attracted to Anna because she isn't related to him.

[HumblePi]

How was Anna counseling young women in juvenile Hall with only a home school education? Was she actually doing social work, or just preaching? Supposedly she's so simple and naive but here she is speaking with girls her age, with not any more wisdom then they had, and look where they ended up.

I don't buy that she is unable to leave because she has no support. Others have done it, from other cults and religions. Maybe she just doesn't want to struggle, but remain faithful to her in-laws, where the source of power and money in her world.

In order to leave Josh, Anna will not only have to leave with 4 little children in tow, but will she really have a place to go? Yes, she has parents and siblings, but remember, they're also part of the religious cult that blames women for all the faults of men. Will they accept her into their home again and still be able to remain faithful to the teachings of their faith? There will be a contradiction of their religious beliefs. I'm sure they will encourage Anna to stay the course, remain with Josh and accept the fate she's been dealt with.

[penguinnj]

 

Her motives aren't political or even financial. Her reasons for turning the other cheek and accepting Josh's infidelities are deep-seated and bred into her. She just isn't capable emotionally of doing what a normal woman does instinctively.

I tend to think the motives are more driven by ego.  Literally- I CAN NOT have been wrong about every choice I have made in my life.  It would mean admitting that you are a a complete idiot- a sheep- an automaton.  No one wants to think that of themselves.  This goes for both Josh, Anna, and the rest of the Ds.  You can not commit yourself to a lifelong belief system and then admit you were completely fooled.  You look bad- plain and simple- and people will go to extraordinary lengths to avoid thinking that of themselves.  If you do- and that's a bit IF- - then you have to be a victim.  And while that mindset has it's advantages- lack or responsibility etc- it can be very hard to get there.  What I want is the big tell all- not from a family member but from the crew.  I would love to hear what an "outsider" thought of Joshie & Co.

[STFUFrank]

In order to leave Josh, Anna will not only have to leave with 4 little children in tow, but will she really have a place to go? Yes, she has parents and siblings, but remember, they're also part of the religious cult that blames women for all the faults of men. Will they accept her into their home again and still be able to remain faithful to the teachings of their faith? There will be a contradiction of their religious beliefs. I'm sure they will encourage Anna to stay the course, remain with Josh and accept the fate she's been dealt with.

One of her sisters left along with her husband and I believe they live as mainstream Christians. She has another sister Suz who had a child out of wedlock. So she has family that aren't within that movement any more.

[Marigold]

Someone posted upthread about the Duggars distancing themselves from Josh.

 

I think Jim Bob is madder than a swarm of hornets. Josh totally messed it ALL up. 

Jim Bob looks like a jerk to EVERYONE. They all look like idiots and hypocrits. And Jim Bob knows it. He loves his pure and Christian image with his 19 kids...which he always mentions. Now? Jim Bob got a taste of reality when the molestation case hit...those two had no clue the backlash would be so strong. Jim Bob knows his Duggar Brand is totally done. The shame, humiliation, loss of income, who will he marry his kids off to, the explanations to his church buddies, looking like an ass compared to Gil Bates...it all comes crashing down on him. 

 

Maybe Jim Bob will play the forgiving supportive father on TV but in real life? Oh, I bet Josh is getting a verbal ass kicking 24/7. 

 

And really, Jim Bob and Michelle shouldn't have much to do with this.  This Josh and Anna's problem. But the Duggars are mixed up in eachother's business. And money. 

[truthtalk2014]

In order to leave Josh, Anna will not only have to leave with 4 little children in tow, but will she really have a place to go? Yes, she has parents and siblings, but remember, they're also part of the religious cult that blames women for all the faults of men. Will they accept her into their home again and still be able to remain faithful to the teachings of their faith? There will be a contradiction of their religious beliefs. I'm sure they will encourage Anna to stay the course, remain with Josh and accept the fate she's been dealt with.

I know everyone talks about Anna packing up and leaving and moving into the trailer with her parents - BUT- why does she have to go any place.  He needs to leave!  Anna is probably comfortable in AR.  She lived there for many years.  I am assuming they have moved into the house they bought.  Josh would have to pay child support and alimony (and probably at the level of his last job). Honestly, she could get a job at Hobby Lobby or ChicFillet or any of those other super fundie places and leave the grand babies with MEchelle when she works.  You know MEchelle just LOVES her grand babies.  (Kidding on that one because I wouldn't leave my dog with that crazy woman.)  

 

All I am saying, is that if she were so inclined, she would not have to go anywhere.  I'm sure she will stay- but if she does, she should make up her mind that her husband will never be faithful.

[MamaMax]

And…this is why it's a bad idea to marry someone who:

- you have known (I use the word loosely) for 3 months

-you have never spent even ONE SECOND alone with

-is practically a teenager, as are you

- you can't even kiss on the lips because TEMPTATION

- has no career training or higher education

- will expect you to pop out another kid every 18 months, regardless of finacial, emotional or career concerns

 

Add it all up ---->  there's no escape.

 

It's almost like the Gothard freaks set it up that way on purpose…… Oh. Yeah. 

[ariel]

Right, some people just have no interest in monogamy but want the stability and benefits that marriage provides. I think that's the case with Josh.

 

I realized I posted it in the wrong thread, but I am kind of gleeful imagining Josh, whose biggest concern in my opinion is that now that he's back in Arkansas, his hope of finding women who don't know who he is has plummeted in the wake of not one but two scandals. Poor Anna actually may get her wish that he's "reformed," but for all the wrong reasons. He'll be too scared to try again, in my opinion. But we'll see.

 

Abandoning careers does seem to be a thing among Gothard men but David Rodrigues takes the cake. You really get the impression that this guy just didn't want to work anymore. And a printing business??? In this day and age, that is such a bizarre and dated concept. If someone needs to print out some homemade bible tracts, they can do that on their own printer at home.

I am not one to defend Pa Keller, but my understanding is that he mentors men and his wife and daughters have mentored women. Of course, those who think Pa Keller is closeted may still find that creepy! But I honestly don't think it's a sexual thing. I think he's giving talks and bible studies in a group setting. I dislike his fundie beliefs, but I have more respect for prison ministry than for some other things.

I’m a little confused.  Couldn’t  Pa Keller have kept his well paying  job & did his prison ministry in his free time?

Edited August 21, 2015 by ariel

[Darknight]

It would be. I have degrees, and since becoming widowed have found that falling back on that is what allows me to remain independent. If I can be doing it at 60, Anna can be doing it now.

Anna is exactly who social services exist for. She would qualify for subsidized housing and child care, as well as food stamps and medicaid. Let the state go after Josh. There are programs for women like Anna coming out of horrible situations that would provide voc re-hab. Problem is someone being able to get this information to her.

First and foremost, she has to be made to realize she is not to blame.

They're conservative. Even Josh said get a job.

[Satchels of gold]

Ariel, that's crazy talk....everyone knows God doesn't hire part time help. I also understand he does not offer benefits or a 401k.

[camom]

When my ex was cheating on me and I found out about it, the only people who knew were those I wanted to know (which meant only a very few people) while we tried to sort things out.  I can't imagine it being big news like this.  No matter what she does, my heart goes out to Anna.

[BitterApple]

Did Josh actually have sex with other women, or was he intending to and had to settle for porn instead? Honestly, I'm not clutching my pearls over this given how many spouses cheat on their partners. It is rather funny however, that Mr. Family Values and "real" marriage enthusiast Josh Duggar can't walk the walk in real life. Josh has always been weak, coddled and undisciplined, so this latest scandal comes as no surprise.

[Granny58]

One of the things I've noticed about Josh (and to some extent Jessa) is that he seems really badly to want to be one of the cool kids, but given his upbringing he's not clear what the signifiers are. So, the cool kids are tweeting their work-of-art fine dining meals or their homemade foodie creations, and Josh is tweeting his Chick fil A sandwich. It's all food, right?

I didn't know what this discussion was about, but figured it out from your post.  That makes me sad.  

[Kiss my mutt]

I'm not sure where this would go so totally cool to move or delete if necessary.

Another Christian family of YouTube notoriety, Sam and Nia, has had his Ashley Madison account exposed. Recently they made the news when a pregnancy test video went viral that has been questioned for its authenticity.

I'm sure this is just the beginning.

[Granny58]

Why haven't the media staked out Anna's parents' house and demanded statements? Nobody lives that remotely in this day and age. Is any group working on that?

Also: I want a mole to blow thei Duggar finances wide open. They can't be that hard to crack! Where's the intrepid hacker that will take on the job? 

it's not really up to Anna's parents to have a statement about this.  Anna and Josh are adults.

[ariel]

Ariel, that's crazy talk....everyone knows God doesn't hire part time help. I also understand he does not offer benefits or a 401k.

Those Gothard men aren't very good at multi tasking - except for Josh. ;)

[farmgal4]

OMG, 35 million names exposed on Ashley-Madison according to ABC World News. 35 MILLION.

[Darknight]

Don't understand the "addict" part. Truly don't. He has a disease where a part of his brain makes him call woman to try to have sex with them? There is a part of his brain that forces him to cheat on his wife? Did he "catch" this disease or did it develop? I believe those that attribute their bad behavior to an "addiction" are simply creating a scape goat. Josh Duggar is a lying, cheating, manwhore who was raised by two simpletons. Josh's only "addiction" is pleasing Josh. Why and what made him that way, I'm not qualified to even hazard a guess, and it's not for these forums anyway. But he needs help. Help in learning to be a normal man. And he may be too damaged to ever live a normal life.

Exactly. Josh never had to be accountable for his actions. He always had mommy daddy and his cult making excuses for him.

[NextIteration]

I mentioned an interview way up thread, I thought I'd link it here.  The "outing" is all about the hypocrisy, baby.

 

Poor Anna.  She really needs a secular counselor to sort her feelings about all this, other wise it's complete victim blaming.

[Darknight]

I'm not sure where this would go so totally cool to move or delete if necessary.

Another Christian family of YouTube notoriety, Sam and Nia, has had his Ashley Madison account exposed. Recently they made the news when a pregnancy test video went viral that has been questioned for its authenticity.

I'm sure this is just the beginning.

This is so funny and sad at the same time.

[Granny58]

I never read that narrative before. Is anyone else creeped out that her father quit his "good" job to spend the day reading bible stories to underage girls held captive by the juvenile justice system? With the way their culty circle is rife with pervs and abusers (hell, even Gothard himself!), the power differential between incarcerate juvenile and her father is quit concerning.

I think their statement could be taken 2 ways, the father AND Anna ministered to girls, or Anna ministered to girls after accompanying her father to the JDC.  

[cheatincheetos]

When they post ChickFilA pictures, it's their way of saying "Fuck you gay people, you don't deserve rights and I will support those who actively discriminate against you." It has nothing to do with their love of chicken biscuits.

Exactly.

 

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--pIZDzSI4--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/17ufikg42u95djpg.jpg

[CofCinci]

OMG, 35 million names exposed on Ashley-Madison according to ABC World News. 35 MILLION.

Josh had 2 accounts. I think most users had multiple accounts.

[JoanArc]

 

'Joe Smithson' notes in his FB Timeline that he Registered As An Organ Donor in 2004. The jokes write themselves, folks.

[CofCinci]

'Joe Smithson' notes in his FB Timeline that he Registered As An Organ Donor in 2004. The jokes write themselves, folks.

Hopefully by Monday we'll know how many times he donated his organ.

[JoanArc]

 

Hopefully by Monday we'll know how many times he donated his organ.

Want a little Josh in ya?

[DkNNy79]

Exactly.

 

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--pIZDzSI4--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/17ufikg42u95djpg.jpg

Yep.  I didn't grow up with ChickFilA, so never had to worry about them.  Went to Houston a couple weeks ago where they are popular.  While my cousins had some I made sure to stay away. 

 

I hope her sister that got out reaches out to her and lets Anna know that she has options.  None of them will be easy, but if you really want out there's always a way.  If she opts to stay with Josh that is her prerogative, but I hope it is with the condition that he seek counseling.  Otherwise, what kind of life is she and her children going to have?  Can she be happy staying with him knowing that there's a strong possibility that he will cheat again?

[cereality]

Thing is -- I don't see Anna turning him down for sex, ever, bc she knews/knows that in her cult, it is the wife's duty to please the husband -- any time he wants it. But in her mind -- and she says it -- sex is for making as many babies as possible. It's likely that Josh wanted sex for fun, not for babies; he's been saying since he got married that 2-3 kids is enough. Yet saddled down to a fundie wife, you can never say you don't want babies or want to use BC. So he likely wasn't having sex with Anna all the time bc he feared making babies. So he got his needs fulfilled elsewhere, where pregnancy wouldn't be a concern.

 

But obviously it's 100% HIS fault. He knew what he was marrying into. And if he went into that marriage and had a kid or two and realized, holy shit, I don't want more kids -- there were options. He was the headship -- he could have demanded BC. He could have gotten a vasectomy. He could have divorced her due to a fundamental disagreement on how to live -- i.e. BC vs. 100 kids. 

 

I also think that once Josh got into the "real" world -- i.e. outside his Arkansas hometown -- he realized Anna just didn't do it for him. Long fluffy hair, keeping sweet, weird clothes, and gazing at him adoringly was all good when he had no options -- he chose the girl who'd give him the time of day. Then he got to DC and saw all kinds of "regular" women -- wearing jeans; with some sass; stylish hair and clothes; can hold their own in any conversation -- and he thought WOW -- there's SOOOO many women out there like this, yet I'm 28 with a boring wife at home -- maybe I get me some action. He does it the first time with some woman who is cheating on her dude, she likely takes charge in the bedroom and teaches him a thing or two and he's hooked -- women he's attracted too who will have sex for fun?! What's not to like??

 

Thing is if Anna doesn't leave him over this, this will be a lifelong thing. If he's no longer attracted to her -- esp now that he's been with others -- temptation will rear its ugly head again; it may not be soon but in a yr or two, I can see him picking up someone locally in Arkansas who he finds exciting.

[NextIteration]

Argh....we never ever ever had a Hobby Lobby here and only had one Chick Fil A - driving past an old school mall that is being updated?  Guess what we're getting?  Within the same damn parking lot?

[Buggin]

I'm not sure where this would go so totally cool to move or delete if necessary.

Another Christian family of YouTube notoriety, Sam and Nia, has had his Ashley Madison account exposed. Recently they made the news when a pregnancy test video went viral that has been questioned for its authenticity.

I'm sure this is just the beginning.

 

And now TLC is wondering how much time they have to let pass before they film a series chronicling these pigs and their "repentance."

[JoanArc]

 

And now TLC is wondering how much time they have to let pass before they film a series chronicling these pigs and their "repentance."

TLC Presents: The Road Back, With Josh Duggar.