Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Salacious Kitty]

Ma and Pa Keller are garbage humans. It says something when Prissy's marriage to David Waller is the best set up they machinated. Esther's husband? Loser. Smuggar? Convicted felon. Rebekah's first husband? Divorced. Nathan? Married a Rod. I think the other two brothers met their wives independently of their parents, so I won't add them here. 

[Salacious Kitty]

Sorry for the piggy back posts, but I thought this needed a separate one. Bobye Holt speaks out. 

[sagittarius sue]

7 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Sorry for the piggy back posts, but I thought this needed a separate one. Bobye Holt speaks out. 

Wow, I am really impressed.  A Duggar associate has written a very truthful statement and with relevant Christian references.  It is worth so much more than anything Amy posted.

[CalicoKitty]

How is it that a WOMAN in this cult has the nerve, and autonomy, to post her actual opinion?  I am impressed.

[Lady Whistleup]

I like that Joy went to court herself. Joy has more spunk than I expected. I understand the decision of the other sisters to stay away, but it's still awesome that Joy went there to watch her abuser get sent to jail.

[Tuxcat]

37 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Sorry for the piggy back posts, but I thought this needed a separate one. Bobye Holt speaks out. 

Happy for them to share their opinion. It's a start. Still problematic for me that they are somehow equating "cheating/porn" and Josh's "masauqrading as a god fearing man" with the actual charge. They are happy he got his sentence -  they were horrified by the hypocrisy of Josh.  The problem for me is that Josh was convicted of seeking, downloading and viewing material of the most  heinous kind. No mention of this? To me the sentence represents a small sense of justice for victims. I could care less if he was a hypocrite - that's just the icing. For the Holts it seems to be the cake.

[Salacious Kitty]

Bobye wasn't there for the entire trial. I don't know if she's aware of the heinous nature of the material Smuggar viewed. Fundies are always going to gravitate towards adult porn as an addiction and adultery as a mortal sin. That's to be expected. I think the CSAM angle has thrown them for a loop. 

[jcbrown]

I wish she had mentioned the molestations in her statement but at least she testified to them, which mattered more in terms of the outcome.

[iwantcookies]

I don’t think ma and Pa Keller would take Anna in. They will not put her in a trailer in the backyard. Anna is on her own. 

JB and Mi are getting old and will spend the $ on themselves. Feeding Anna plus 7 has to cost at least $1000 a month plus the supplies. She probably needs at least $1500 a month to survive. Who knows how long she will be supported!

[iwantcookies]

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Ma and Pa Keller are garbage humans. It says something when Prissy's marriage to David Waller is the best set up they machinated. Esther's husband? Loser. Smuggar? Convicted felon. Rebekah's first husband? Divorced. Nathan? Married a Rod. I think the other two brothers met their wives independently of their parents, so I won't add them here. 

One of the brothers (David?) married the Reber daughter. 
 

Nathan marrying a Rod was not a good idea lol.

[Salacious Kitty]

The Duggars will support Anna as long as she remains on the same page as them, believing in his innocence. The second she thinks differently, all support will cease. 

1 minute ago, iwantcookies said:

One of the brothers (David?) married the Reber daughter. 
 

Nathan marrying a Rod was not a good idea lol.

I didn't metnion David becasue he met Hannah Reber on his own. His parents didn't set it up. 

[3girlsforus]

2 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

I don’t think ma and Pa Keller would take Anna in. They will not put her in a trailer in the backyard. Anna is on her own. 

JB and Mi are getting old and will spend the $ on themselves. Feeding Anna plus 7 has to cost at least $1000 a month plus the supplies. She probably needs at least $1500 a month to survive. Who knows how long she will be supported!

I think I'm at least as disgusted with Ma and Pa Keller as I am with JB and Michelle, maybe even more.  Your daughter, who has 7 of your grandchildren, is married to a man who has molested his sisters (as children) and has been convicted of child pornography. How do you not show up with a U-haul, load her, the kids, and anything they own into it and get her and the kids the hell out of there??? There would be no question. I would be on her front porch packing her up the minute I heard. I would also be alone because I would have to leave my husband at home so he didn't go to jail for murder.  Even if you are vile enough to some how say this is because Anna wasn't a good enough wife, how do you leave your grandchildren around a child molester??? They are horrible, vile people. 

[merylinkid]

1 hour ago, CalicoKitty said:

I think JB has been filtering assets through LLCs in Anna's name.  Wasn't money in Josh's name transfered to LLCs in Anna's name since this scandal broke?  I think it was posted here somewhere.  I guess that scheme didn't work so well.  I really wonder if this will lead to an investigation into JB's finances, as well as his attorney's.  When I first saw that Josh was arrested, I thought it was money laundering of some kind.

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Sorry for the piggy back posts, but I thought this needed a separate one. Bobye Holt speaks out. 

I would not be surprised if there was some digging into JB's finances now.   Sometimes it just takes one thing to bring the whole house of cards crashing down.   the cracks are already showing.   Bobbye Holt pointing out that Josh had the money and the support to go get help and didn't, and her pointing out how he is STILL pulling the wool over folks' eyes is the start of it.   One person from "inside" talking shows that their prominence is GONE.   From there, its a cascade until it all comes out.

For a really bonkers story of a whole helluva lot coming out from one simple case, google Alex Murdaugh South Carolina.   It started as a simple wrongful death lawsuit, so far its up to 2 murders, multiple counts of fraud, murder for HIRE, and a lot of lawyers losing their law licenses.   And we STILL don't know everything.   Back to the Duggars, hope Travis Story doesn't like his law license too much.   isn't his name on a few of the LLCs that are being used to shift money around?

[MaryAnneSpier]

I've suspected too that there may be more legal fun in the Duggars' future because the door is open. A lot of us thought that they were investigated either for either some sexual/ human trafficking crime or a financial crime when it came out that Homeland Security raided the car lot. I don't know; a lot of JB's money shenanigans seem pretty sketchy, but they may not be fully illegal, just shady as hell. 

[MaryAnneSpier]

27 minutes ago, 3girlsforus said:

I think I'm at least as disgusted with Ma and Pa Keller as I am with JB and Michelle, maybe even more.  Your daughter, who has 7 of your grandchildren, is married to a man who has molested his sisters (as children) and has been convicted of child pornography. How do you not show up with a U-haul, load her, the kids, and anything they own into it and get her and the kids the hell out of there??? There would be no question. I would be on her front porch packing her up the minute I heard. I would also be alone because I would have to leave my husband at home so he didn't go to jail for murder.  Even if you are vile enough to some how say this is because Anna wasn't a good enough wife, how do you leave your grandchildren around a child molester??? They are horrible, vile people. 

 I would think that in their culture, where the women are to be followers of their male headship, that if something were to happen to their provider, then HIS family are to step up and support her and the children. Her parents "gave" Anna to Josh, she took his family surname, so she now is under the Duggar protection. 

[Salacious Kitty]

4 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

 I would think that in their culture, where the women are to be followers of their male headship, that if something were to happen to their provider, then HIS family are to step up and support her and the children. Her parents "gave" Anna to Josh, she took his family surname, so she now is under the Duggar protection. 

I agree, unless there's a divorce. THEN she goes back to her parents. That happened in another case where the fundie husband was busted raping his daughters. The wife, a mother of 8, divorced his sorry, jailed ass and moved back home. Changed Junior's name. All the children now have the mother's maiden name. And after all that, his parents still stand by him. Fundies are an odd bunch.

[Gemma Violet]

2 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I agree, unless there's a divorce. THEN she goes back to her parents. That happened in another case where the fundie husband was busted raping his daughters. The wife, a mother of 8, divorced his sorry, jailed ass and moved back home. Changed Junior's name. All the children now have the mother's maiden name. And after all that, his parents still stand by him. Fundies are an odd bunch.

I remember that.  The kids were singers and they had a TV show on TLC.  Was it the Willis family?  Or something like that?

I watched the video of JB walking to his car.  I had no idea he could move that fast.

[Salacious Kitty]

8 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

I remember that.  The kids were singers and they had a TV show on TLC.  Was it the Willis family?  Or something like that?

I watched the video of JB walking to his car.  I had no idea he could move that fast.

 Not the Willis family, although I can see similarieies. I don't think Ma Willis changed her name or the names of her children. The family I posted about is younger and not on TV. Their oldest (the junior) is about 16. 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Salacious Kitty

[GeeGolly]

7 years ago I was sadly surprised as to the facts of Josh's childhood 'sins'. A few months after that I was somewhat surprised about Josh's adult sins. 1 year ago I was taken aback by the reason of Josh's arrest. Today I was happily surprised by the length of Josh's sentence.

The only surprise left I have room for is for Josh to have a coming to Jesus moment, admitting his 'sins', apologizing to everyone and working on himself in prison. Other than that, I am so very over being surprised by Josh Duggar.

[Temperance]

2 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Ma and Pa Keller are garbage humans. It says something when Prissy's marriage to David Waller is the best set up they machinated. Esther's husband? Loser. Smuggar? Convicted felon. Rebekah's first husband? Divorced. Nathan? Married a Rod. I think the other two brothers met their wives independently of their parents, so I won't add them here. 

Maybe although David married the daughter of Josh's keepers (the Rebers) from the time of Josh's arrest until Josh's conviction!

Edited May 26, 2022 by Temperance

[Snow Fairy]

What would happen to Anna if something happens to JB? If he dies while Josh is in prison? If he will support her now when Josh is gone

[Tdoc72]

2 hours ago, sagittarius sue said:

Wow, I am really impressed.  A Duggar associate has written a very truthful statement and with relevant Christian references.  It is worth so much more than anything Amy posted.

2 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

How is it that a WOMAN in this cult has the nerve, and autonomy, to post her actual opinion?  I am impressed.

I liked that she spoke out, but it’s not a sin to spell the word porn. 

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I didn't metnion David becasue he met Hannah Reber on his own. His parents didn't set it up. 

Did they set up Rebekah with the first husband, Josh also, I think?  He spoke out once and I got the impression he wasn’t impressed w/the Duggars. 

[Salacious Kitty]

Yes, Rebekah was "divorced" in my rundown of the Kellers. That was an IBLP match.

[ChiCricket]

I thought this was interesting (from Reddit) Why is the defense so worried that Josh won't be able to have access to adult porn (in 12.5 years?)

Isn't he a Godly man who doesn't need porn? 🤔 (full disclosure, I have watched some ADULT  porn before.. but I don't NEED to watch it.) JS

[MsJamieDornan]

5 hours ago, Jeeves said:

Scott Reish, a criminal lawyer who IMO does good stuff on YT

I enjoy Scott, very smart guy.  I enjoyed his reaction on a video he did recently about the letters that were submitted supporting Josh. He did everything he could not to roll his eyes.

[Salacious Kitty]

4 minutes ago, MsJamieDornan said:

I enjoy Scott, very smart guy.  I enjoyed his reaction on a video he did recently about the letters that were submitted supporting Josh. He did everything he could not to roll his eyes.

I watched the video that Jeeves posted, but not the previous one. What exactly did he say was wrong with the letters besides not acknowledging his crimes? IANAL, so I can only speculate. 

[GeeGolly]

Young kids (and adults) see themselves of extensions of their parents. So if their parent is bad, they think they are somehow bad too. There's plenty of time when they're older to find out what a creep their dad is. Hopefully then they'll be able to separate who they are from who their dad is.

[MsJamieDornan]

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I watched the video that Jeeves posted, but not the previous one.

It starts at about 6 minutes.

[roamyn]

4 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

 Not the Willis family, although I can see similarieies. I don't think Ma Willis changed her name or the names of her children. The family I posted about is younger and not on TV. Their oldest (the junior) is about 16. 

Yeah, you’re correct.  I got them confused with a different Willis family.  They both had a large number for children.

[Sile]

8 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

My guess is that the first year ot two will be filled with appeals, and Anna being sure that God will send Joshua home.

Do you really think they would continue to drag this out?  At this point, anybody less delusional than Anna and Michelle would have to know that this is a done deal.  Certainly JB knows it by now (and probably has for some time) and, since he holds the purse strings, could he really justify throwing good money after bad and basically flushing it down the toilet?

I wouldn't be surprised if he had a hard line figure as to how far he's go with this to hope for a face saving miracle, but he's got to have reached that limit by now.  Hasn't he?

[GeeGolly]

Are either of these potential prisons near David and Priss? I could definitely see JB co-signing a move for Anna and the M & Ms if she was moving by them and able to visit Josh regularly. David is the FF's bestie and Anna's BIL, so he could be Anna's headship. And then of course the Felon would have steady 'support'.

[sagittarius sue]

2 hours ago, Sile said:

Do you really think they would continue to drag this out? 

Yes, the defense has made it clear that they will file an appeal within the 14 day limit.  Josh is innocent ya know.

[ginger90]

**Trigger warning **
 

I found this to be one of the better articles out there:

https://www.ozarksfirst.com/top-stories/a-closer-look-at-josh-duggars-sentencing/

[Tdoc72]

Anyone know if these type of appeals work out or not?  

[sagittarius sue]

8 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Bobye wasn't there for the entire trial. I don't know if she's aware of the heinous nature of the material Smuggar viewed. Fundies are always going to gravitate towards adult porn as an addiction and adultery as a mortal sin. That's to be expected. I think the CSAM angle has thrown them for a loop. 

I think that's a very important point.  As a witness she would have been directed not to attend the trial outside of the portion of her testimony.  I was a witness at a trial one tme when I was advised that.  I believe that's because a witness could always be recalled.

[ginger90]

16 minutes ago, Tdoc72 said:

Anyone know if these type of appeals work out or not?  

From what I’ve seen, less than 7%.

[merylinkid]

If his attorneys don't file an appeal its malpractice.   Not saying anything was wrong in the trial, but its what you do in criminal cases.   Now they don't always prevail, but you file them anyway because its important that the prosecution has to prove their case and the judge has to follow the law.   So if you got anything to use on appeal, you do it.   

Oh I imagine that Anna will be delusional right up to the day she dies.   She will believe he is coming home ANY DAY now.   

as for her parents, they KNEW what he did to his sisters and let her marry him anyway.   There is no way they are going to step up and help her now.  She was the sacrificial lamb to get them into higher levels in Fundy Land.

[MaryAnneSpier]

Did the Kellers know the full extent of what Josh did before he married Anna? Or were they led to believe he “sinned” by consensually kissing a girl his age like we outsiders thought? 

[sagittarius sue]

6 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

Did the Kellers know the full extent of what Josh did before he married Anna? Or were they led to believe he “sinned” by consensually kissing a girl his age like we outsiders thought? 

I think that they were told what JB has publicly said.  It was youthful exploration, it was over their clothes while they were asleep, and the victims weren't even aware of it.

[Ohiopirate02]

6 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

Did the Kellers know the full extent of what Josh did before he married Anna? Or were they led to believe he “sinned” by consensually kissing a girl his age like we outsiders thought? 

We honestly do not know what the Kellers knew when they allowed Anna to marry Josh.  It's difficult to determine when the cult views consensual sexual acts with someone other than your spouse, masturbation, and nonconsensual sexual acts with someone other than your spouse as being the same.  

[Tikichick]

6 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Young kids (and adults) see themselves of extensions of their parents. So if their parent is bad, they think they are somehow bad too. There's plenty of time when they're older to find out what a creep their dad is. Hopefully then they'll be able to separate who they are from who their dad is.

Even the oldest are far too young to know the real allegations and the reality of the conviction.  I said yesterday in response to the idea that the kids should know the truth that it was far too heavy a burden and I hope a genuinely loving, caring adult has merely explained to them that dad has broken some rules/laws and has to spend some time in jail as his punishment for doing so.   Sufficiently sums up the truth of the situation without doing damage to the kids who are old enough to need an explanation. 

[Minivanessa]

Just now, Ohiopirate02 said:

We honestly do not know what the Kellers knew when they allowed Anna to marry Josh.  It's difficult to determine when the cult views consensual sexual acts with someone other than your spouse, masturbation, and nonconsensual sexual acts with someone other than your spouse as being the same.  

Yep. I tend to think that at least Pa Keller had some idea. I suspect there was some gossip about it circulating in the fundie-IFB world. But as you said, they seem to conflate very different kinds of acts into a generalized "sin." Considering the patriarchal misogyny that prevails in their heads, I think Pa Keller was fine with the deal. 

My take is that the Kellers were happy that Anna was marrying a Duggar. The Duggars were famous in the outside world and thus extra-famous in fundie circles - and they have more money than most. They weren't squeezing all those kids into a double-wide by the time of the engagement. They were living large thanks to TLC. 

But I don't assume that Pa Keller thought he would be gaining any status in fundie land through Anna's marriage. IMO those fundie headship guys are prideful. They think they're all that and a bag of chips. Pa Keller probably thought he was doing fine in the fundie world and didn't need any Duggar stardust.

Also, I've wondered if JB is all that well-respected or liked in the fundie world. Maybe all those guys are as obnoxious as JB is, so he fits right in. Possibly, most of them are tin-pot domestic dictators with fantasies of running the patriarchy outside their families as well as inside, so there's a certain amount of rivalry and elbowing each other to get attention and status. Not that I'm going to meet any of them to find out, lol. 

[libgirl2]

I think Pa Keller wasn't seeking the spotlight, cause if he was he had ample opportunity to be in it. The Kellers seem to keep to themselves. I think he figured he was making a "good match" for Anna. 

[Scarlett45]

One hundred fifty one months. 

151.

I am pleased with the sentencing. Of course I would've loved the max, but given the history of sentencing for these type of offenses, I think it was to be expected. 

I am thankful for those with more legal knowledge than I in this area providing their opinion and analyzing things for us. I will likely read the official sentencing document one of these days, for the academic knowledge. I have no desire or need to read the court transcript.

My heart goes out to the victims, and to the Duggar siblings and the M children who are all affected by Josh's crimes. Having a parent in prison isn't easy, and the M children had no say in the matter. I am of the opinion that Mac and Michael are plenty old enough to know what happened and what their father is in prison for- in a perfect world they would have some space to work through that, and what it means for them, but this the Duggars we are speaking about.

I have to just point out, that it speaks to what a pure ass you are, that you had 13 adult siblings (Jackson wasn't an adult when the sentencing letters were due) and NOT ONE would write a letter for you. Not even denying your guilt, but a simple "My brother is much loved and a valuable member of the family, he will be deeply missed, I understand he has to serve time, but please do not keep him from his family and support system longer than necessary." type of letter.

As for JB and Michelle- they are his parents and gave him life, under any circumstances I wouldn't be surprised that they paid for his legal defense and visited /wrote to him, no matter if they believed he was guilty and horrified by what he did. I will be more charitable than they deserve, and say it has to hurt to see your most special snowflake incarcerated. I don't think JB and Michelle handled Josh's abuse of his sisters appropriately- but I don't think they are to blame.

I think Josh is a creep, entitled asshole and would've been this way in ANY family. I said in 2015 that this would not be the last, JB was getting older and could not watch Josh forever. Unfortunately I was right.

[Scarlett45]

12 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

Yep. I tend to think that at least Pa Keller had some idea. I suspect there was some gossip about it circulating in the fundie-IFB world. But as you said, they seem to conflate very different kinds of acts into a generalized "sin." Considering the patriarchal misogyny that prevails in their heads, I think Pa Keller was fine with the deal. 

My take is that the Kellers were happy that Anna was marrying a Duggar. The Duggars were famous in the outside world and thus extra-famous in fundie circles - and they have more money than most. They weren't squeezing all those kids into a double-wide by the time of the engagement. They were living large thanks to TLC. 

I think its likely Pa Keller knew what happened. Anna maybe not. Anna may have been told he "struggled with keeping his heart right" which to us typical folk means masturbation, consensual activity with a peer- not that you a preying on your younger siblings. Given that Anna has older brothers that she seems close to, I would think she would be horrified had she learned the truth before she married him.

But likely not, she was marrying into fundy royalty and going to live a comfortable life and have a bunch of babies. I really do not know.

[Tikichick]

11 hours ago, LilyD said:

I'm glad he's going to be locked up for quite some time. But what spoils the joy for me is all the pro-Duggar pleas and letters. Yes, it was to be expected but still... None of them acknowledged the severity of what he did. They refuse to accept that this man is a very real threat to children. It scares me, it really does.

In a way, that makes them all almost as dangerous as Josh. You can't protect kids if you cannot won't recognise and stop potential (or in this case very obvious) danger.... 

Those letters did not serve the purpose the authors intended, quite the opposite.   The Judge's comments weren't complimentary, but a master stroke by a skilled orator to highlight data he used to inform his sentencing decision with a seemingly benign/positive comment that shines like klieg lights if reviewed by an appellate court.

The Judge didn't have to note that none of the parties on Josh's side of the equation give a bleep about hurting children because they went to the trouble to put it down in black and white for posterity.   

[laurakaye]

17 hours ago, Panopticon said:

Nice chart from our friends at Reddit:

This is helpful - so hopefully because the youngest M&M will only be 12 when FF gets out, I'm assuming that he would still not be able to move home for at least another 6 years.

9 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

The Duggars will support Anna as long as she remains on the same page as them, believing in his innocence. The second she thinks differently, all support will cease.

1 hour ago, merylinkid said:

Oh I imagine that Anna will be delusional right up to the day she dies.   She will believe he is coming home ANY DAY now.   

as for her parents, they KNEW what he did to his sisters and let her marry him anyway.   There is no way they are going to step up and help her now.  She was the sacrificial lamb to get them into higher levels in Fundy Land.

What a disaster...Anna doesn't have a prayer.  Even if she had one single independent thought in her brain regarding the sludgepile she married, her own parents allowed it to happen and her in-laws have her over a barrel as well if she wants to feed her kids.  She literally has no one to turn to even if she wanted to.  I can't help but feel sorry for the M&M's, who didn't ask to be born into this three-ring circus and now have a felon for a dad and a brainwashed zombie for a mother, with likely no help coming to help them process what their young lives have become.

[Scarlett45]

@Salacious Kitty I agree with you, but with a slightly different take. I think Anna has more power than she realizes. I don't think JB/Michelle think Josh is innocent, I don't think they expect Anna to believe it. I think Anna would continue to receive the same level of support from JB has been given so long as she toted the party line, and contributed to the TTH in someway (homeschooling the Lost Girls, chores etc). If Anna had put her foot down and said she was disgusted by Josh and wouldn't live with him any more, so long as she didn't blast that on social media- JB would've supported what she wanted.

Josh has broken HIS vows, he is no longer a provider or a headship. 

But Anna WANTS Josh (for whatever reason), we know she wants him because of how she acted after the birth of Meredith. JB and Michelle are smarter than Anna, they also raised Josh- they know what he is like.

[Notabug]

58 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

Did the Kellers know the full extent of what Josh did before he married Anna? Or were they led to believe he “sinned” by consensually kissing a girl his age like we outsiders thought? 

Even if they were told the full extent, they are Gothardites.  Gothard taught that virtually any sexual 'sin' including molestation and rape, was the fault of the woman.  That evil women, even children, could tempt a man to commit sinful acts.  Therefore, even if they did know (and I think they got a sanitized version from JB and didn't ask any questions); they would be more than happy to have attributed it to the devil working through the girls to tempt Josh-U-a to stray.  Gothard was pretty consistent in his messaging:  it is NEVER the man's fault.

If you know anything about Gothard, you understand why he said that.

[Ohiopirate02]

26 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

Yep. I tend to think that at least Pa Keller had some idea. I suspect there was some gossip about it circulating in the fundie-IFB world. But as you said, they seem to conflate very different kinds of acts into a generalized "sin." Considering the patriarchal misogyny that prevails in their heads, I think Pa Keller was fine with the deal. 

11 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I think its likely Pa Keller knew what happened. Anna maybe not. Anna may have been told he "struggled with keeping his heart right" which to us typical folk means masturbation, consensual activity with a peer- not that you a preying on your younger siblings. Given that Anna has older brothers that she seems close to, I would think she would be horrified had she learned the truth before she married him.

But likely not, she was marrying into fundy royalty and going to live a comfortable life and have a bunch of babies. I really do not know.

These assholes also operate under the belief that Josh only acted the way he did because he was single.  What Josh really needed was a wife.  I can see how Pa Keller would be able to convince Anna that marrying Josh would be saving him from a life of sin by becoming his wife and giving Josh a means to righteously fulfill the sexual desires that were plaguing him.  It never occurred to them that Josh needed more than a God-approved sperm receptacle.  Nope, all Josh needed was a wife and his sins would disappear.