Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[lulu69]

Quoting becca3891 the old fashioned way, because IPads are rough with the quoting thing...

"I can easily believe Josh having a double standard where he feels contemptuous toward strippers and prostitutes and sees them as unworthy of respect."

No double standard. He has no respect for women, period.

The more I hear about this guy, the more I'm thinking full-on pathology, not just a perpetual adolescent acting out.

IMHO Josh is a creepy sick dude.

 

The InTouch stripper/porn actress claimed he brought a fucked up screen capture pic from one of her most extreme hard core films to sign. The pic was of her with her makeup all smeared and running down her face with her crying. She was like, 'Seriously? THIS is what you want me to sign?'

 

Just sayin, if a porn actress who had probably seen & done everything thinks you're fucked in the head, you're fucked in the head.

[Aja]

Another difference is that we're not advocating for their civil rights to be taken away! I might criticize the Duggars for their religious beliefs, but I'm not trying to enshrine my anti-Quiverfull beliefs into law. 

Precisely. To paraphrase Voltaire, I may not agree with what these group-psychosis sickos say, but I will defend to the death their right to say it. Maybe not to the death, though.

[barbedwire]

And on a side note .... Kiss My Mutt ... I luv your name!

[CofCinci]

Joshie is getting out in 6 months, if he is a good boy. In 6 months is Valentine's Day. Not much of a present for Anna.

What a shitty Valentine's Day gift.

[sleekandchic]

Some abstinence-only programs teach that condoms are essentially useless at preventing disease. So Josh may have figured it wouldn't make any difference.

Oh gosh, I had no idea. That's shameful. Thanks for the explanation, Anne Elk.

As for the Duggar parents making those official announcements for their 27-year-old son, I've always thought it centered around the older guys considering the show to be THEIR show with THEIR fans and THEIR profits, freebies and status. Even though Jim-Bob is the big honcho, anyway, I think the handling of the Josh affairs is all about Jim and Michelle's conviction that they are THE STARS of the show, and, therefore, they are the only people who should act as spokespeople.

Edited August 27, 2015 by sleekandchic

[truthtalk2014]

Last week sometime, someone called him "Pudding Boy" (sorry, don't remember who, to attribute it to the right source). I thought that was HILARIOUS - because here in the south (maybe everywhere, not sure), we have a habit of throwing the label "Puddin'" to a distinct class of people. A little lazy, a little dim, a little soft. For example, if some random guy said, "I don't know how to change a tire, I never had to before", some other random guy would give him a the "look" and respond, "well, come on, and I'll show you, Puddin'". Emphasis on the Pud. I meant to post: Lets PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start calling him Puddin!!!!

Hilarious!  The urban dictionary :  in the pudding club

(Chiefly British) Pregnant. Sometimes shortened to "in the club".

Did you hear? Amy's in the pudding club!   6 WORDS RELATED TO IN THE PUDDING CLUB

in the club  preggo  pregnancy  pregnant  embryo  up the duff

 

Or maybe they mean related to the hotel :  http://www.threewayshousehotel.com/pudding_club/

"After all, where else can you sleep surrounded by images of Syrup Sponge or Spotted Dick and Custard?"  Seriously- that is from the site. I can't make this stuff up.

 

We may never know about Pudding boy.  

[CarolMK]

I wonder if Josh even realizes that if he had decided to make a public statement stating that he should have never married Anna, he was leaving Anna and the kids but would continue to provide for them and stay involved in his children's lives, that he was brainwashed by his parent's belief systems and that he grew up in a cult, was repressed, etc. , that he would probably not only gain the sympathy of much of the American public, he'd also be very likely offered a book deal, a job, and television appearances. EVERY major talk show would probably want to have him on if he was willing to dis his parents on national tv.

[TaxNerd]

http://m.etonline.com/news/170797_josh_duggar_extended_family_member_i_hope_he_gets_broken_rehab/

So who are these relatives? Famy and...?

My money is on Jessa and Ben.

[wovenloaf]

The InTouch stripper/porn actress claimed he brought a fucked up screen capture pic from one of her most extreme hard core films to sign. The pic was of her with her makeup all smeared and running down her face with her crying. She was like, 'Seriously? THIS is what you want me to sign?'

Whoa, that's so creepy. I hadn't seen that in the articles I looked at. I mean...it seems like one thing to have kinda liked the hardcore scene, and another to actually want the makeup-smeared/crying still shot to be the special one that you frame on the wall (figuratively). Ugh. 

[CofCinci]

Anna's theme song. Warning: NSFW language.

[Isthisok]

Anna's theme song. Warning: NSFW language.

http://youtu.be/lgWgEoaAYDY

I heard this several years ago, still hilarious.

[barbedwire]

Well, they need the money!

 

 

 

lol

[Satchels of gold]

I know! After lighting the whole thing ablaze, Alice certainly died a quiet death, didn't she? Maybe Alice was indeed an "older woman" who's not here anymore to sit around saying, "Yyyyep. I tried to tell you". When I first started reading this forum (before the firestorm), I usually skipped the Josh/Anna thread. It was always one of the least popular - nobody could stand him, even then. Who would have ever guessed that JOSH would have ended up being the most used thread???

Last week sometime, someone called him "Pudding Boy" (sorry, don't remember who, to attribute it to the right source). I thought that was HILARIOUS - because here in the south (maybe everywhere, not sure), we have a habit of throwing the label "Puddin'" to a distinct class of people. A little lazy, a little dim, a little soft. For example, if some random guy said, "I don't know how to change a tire, I never had to before", some other random guy would give him a the "look" and respond, "well, come on, and I'll show you, Puddin'". Emphasis on the Pud. I meant to post: Lets PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start calling him Puddin!!!!

d

I'm a southern transplant from the north, I never knew this and I'm pretty sure I've been called puddin!

[lookeyloo]

d

I'm a southern transplant from the north, I never knew this and I'm pretty sure I've been called puddin!

Me too, southern transplant from the north, about 40 years in the deep south and I've never even heard that expression!!

[JenCarroll]

I agree. I think the first statement is Jessa's and the second, Ben's.

Anonymous Family Member 1 said, "Josh's integrity is gone...I hope Anna finds the strength to make some changes." Also that "this is supposed to be a happy time." That could be Jessa (preggers) or it could be Amy (engaged). I think it's more likely Amy -- because it sounds like this person thinks Anna should leave, and I don't see Jessa saying something like that -- and the other one is probably Amy's mother. This same person also said, "Who did we spend Christmases with?" That sounds more like a relative to me, not someone living in the same house.

Just my guesses, obviously. YMMV

Edited August 27, 2015 by JenCarroll

[truthtalk2014]

Anna's theme song. Warning: NSFW language.

I'm calling this the post of the day!  

 

Edit to ask:  Where did Josh getting out in six months come from?  IMO, he will never stay there for six months.  

Edited August 27, 2015 by truthtalk2014

[farmgal4]

My money is on Jessa and Ben.

I'm pretty sure you're right.

[CofCinci]

I'm calling this the post of the day!

Edit to ask: Where did Josh getting out in six months come from? IMO, he will never stay there for six months.

The program requires a 6-month agreement.

[Barbie]

I guess no one is worried about Josh not bonding with the new baby.... being gone for 6 months .....that is a long time for a newborn...

[farmgal4]

I was reading about this so-called rehab that Josh went to on Gawker last night. I am gobsmacked at the level of stupidity in this family. As repulsive as Josh can be, I have actually started feeling a little sorry for him. I think he is the way he is, because he was raised in a cult by crazy, twisted, idiotic parents. Parents who have failed him at every turn. This fake rehab he was sent to will do nothing to help him, and will, IMO, only serve to damage him even more. I hope I'm wrong about this, but I see this ending very, very badly. I think every one of the Duggar kids should be removed from that home, because they are being raised in an unhealthy environment by parents who don't have a clue about anything, especially how to raise children. I would love to be locked in a room alone with Dumb and Dumber for about an hour, because I've got plenty I would love to say to them right now. I think they deserve to go straight to hell for the damage they've caused those 19 kids.

[Anne Elk]

 When I first started reading this forum (before the firestorm), I usually skipped the Josh/Anna thread. It was always one of the least popular - nobody could stand him, even then. Who would have ever guessed that JOSH would have ended up being the most used thread???

 

I have to hand it to him, when he decided to sin he really went 100%. Not just extramarital sex, but violent unprotected extramarital sex with porn stars!!! I know plenty of total heathens who've never come anywhere near that kind of depravity. No wonder those family members were blindsided.

[Barbie]

I have to hand it to him, when he decided to sin he really went 100%. Not just extramarital sex, but violent unprotected extramarital sex with porn stars!!! I know plenty of total heathens who've never come anywhere near that kind of depravity. No wonder those family members were blindsided.

Maybe Josh thought that this would be it and the family would dump him for this and he'd be free.... I bet he is shocked to find himself locked up in Jesus camp again.... 

[Fuzzysox]

I'm sure like some of you, I'm getting pop up ads for addiction facilities. I just got a new one for finding out about B.E.D. - adult Binge Eating Disorder. Think Joshie knows what this is?

BEWARE don't open those links to that rehab place I got nasty adware on my Mac as well as other non stoop crap. It took me two days to get rid of it all and I have never ever experienced that on any Macs after 25 years of using them.

[CofCinci]

Josh was probably trying to fuck a robot.

http://gizmodo.com/the-fembots-of-ashley-madison-1726670394

No display for that at the Creation Museum.

[AnJen]

I think I'm one of the few people here who actually 100% believes that Josh would be scary and violent towards a porn star he's paying to have sex with. I can absolutely see him calling her a whore and a slut and a million other horrible names while paying her for sex. 

 

Josh doesn't want to live the Gothard life, but I'm pretty sure he still believes in the main points they always touch on: the gays are evil and/or pedophiles, abortion is the actual worst thing ever, birth control is a tool of the devil, women are sinful temptresses unless they're following all of Gothard's rules on grooming and modesty aaaaaand talking with baby-voices, etc. etc. etc. 

 

I don't think he's doing these things and becoming guilt-ridden...I think Josh genuinely considers himself above the rules. And why wouldn't he? His parents have given him a get-out-of-jail-free-card since he was a teenager fondling his as young as 5 years old sisters. He's probably upset when he gets caught, but I don't think Josh actually intends to change his ways. I think he intends to put on a good face for the Gothardite world (since he owes pretty much his fame and fortune to the fundy fanbase), go through rehab, and come out of it a much more sly and subtle Josh. 

 

I'll fully admit that this could be a wrong interpretation of his character, but he was slimy to me even in the early specials; he strikes me as a boy who knows what he can get away with and doesn't care who he hurts unless it affects himself. He's willing to play by Gothard rules because Gothard rules have given him what he's gotten so far, and because he genuinely believes in all of the teachings that don't apply to him, but he doesn't strike me as someone who feels sorry for his actions, ever.

 

I can absolutely see the Josh Duggar that I think he is being the Josh Duggar that is described by the porn star he slept with.

[Defrauder]

I think I'm one of the few people here who actually 100% believes that Josh would be scary and violent towards a porn star he's paying to have sex with. I can absolutely see him calling her a whore and a slut and a million other horrible names while paying her for sex. 

 

Josh doesn't want to live the Gothard life, but I'm pretty sure he still believes in the main points they always touch on: the gays are evil and/or pedophiles, abortion is the actual worst thing ever, birth control is a tool of the devil, women are sinful temptresses unless they're following all of Gothard's rules on grooming and modesty aaaaaand talking with baby-voices, etc. etc. etc. 

 

I don't think he's doing these things and becoming guilt-ridden...I think Josh genuinely considers himself above the rules. And why wouldn't he? His parents have given him a get-out-of-jail-free-card since he was a teenager fondling his as young as 5 years old sisters. He's probably upset when he gets caught, but I don't think Josh actually intends to change his ways. I think he intends to put on a good face for the Gothardite world (since he owes pretty much his fame and fortune to the fundy fanbase), go through rehab, and come out of it a much more sly and subtle Josh. 

 

I'll fully admit that this could be a wrong interpretation of his character, but he was slimy to me even in the early specials; he strikes me as a boy who knows what he can get away with and doesn't care who he hurts unless it affects himself. He's willing to play by Gothard rules because Gothard rules have given him what he's gotten so far, and because he genuinely believes in all of the teachings that don't apply to him, but he doesn't strike me as someone who feels sorry for his actions, ever.

 

I can absolutely see the Josh Duggar that I think he is being the Josh Duggar that is described by the porn star he slept with.

Well said.   I agree completely.

[Julia]

That etonline article is bizarre. Who was at your table at Christmas? The mother and father who let their daughters be molested for five (eta: two. sorry) years. Is this news to you?

Edited August 27, 2015 by Julia

[3girlsforus]

I've got a question for those who say that Josh didn't want to live the Gothard life. Do you think he knew before Anna and the kids that he didn't want the Gothard life but went along with it because of JB/Michelle and the TLC gravy train or do you think he started experiencing the crushing responsibility of a zillion kids and maybe adding to that the move to DC and suddenly being around less fundamentalist people and he realized he didn't think this was such a great life.

 

I fully believe he doesn't want the Gothard life now. I just can't decide how long it's been that way. His parents never let him take ownership of his beliefs or his decisions so I'm not sure he really realized what he was doing until it was too late. Clearly he still has no backbone since he let JB/Michelle send him off to Brainwash Camp. Unless he really starts to 'man up' I don't see him even confronting the idea that he wants a different lifestyle. That's what he should be getting counseling for. 

[DangerousMinds]

I can't imagine how overwhelmed Anna is. She's what, six weeks postpartum? Meredith is maybe sleeping 4 hours at a stretch? Anna is supposed to eat and drink so she can breast feed and she probably has no appetite at all. Marcus is two and needs help with everything. Michael is 4,  Kinzie is 5, so she can sort of dress herself and pour a bowl of cereal, but Anna must be so completely overwhelmed and exhausted.  I bet she resents the lack of help at home. Honestly caring for 4 kids under 5 ought to be  enough for Josh to deal with.  And when she has time to think about it maybe Anna is glad he's gone for a while. but I hope someone is there helping her. Probably Jana, Jinger or Joy, may be the older guys can  go shopping for her, or come over and play with the kids. Instead of sending Josh to some stupid work camp for six month, they should have sent Anna to a nice Hotel. ( not that she'd go, I know)  But he gets to sleep all night.  Poor Anna.

Just imagine being a single, working mom who had to return to work after 6 weeks to pay the rent. Not a lot of sympathy here.

[Featherhat]

I think her story as told is believable. Either because as you say he's the type of guy who would pay a lot of money for sex and still think his partner in the transaction was a worthless whore or because he'd seen her films and assumed porn sex = real life sex or some horrible amalgamation of the two.

However I'm not entirely convinced that she or In Touch aren't jazzing this up to make it even more gross than it was before, because "he was selfish and crude and lasted two minutes" doesn't generate anywhere near as many clicks as phrases like "most terrifying ever" and "piece of meat" etc. And I find the "kept 911 on emergency speed dial 2nd time around" a tad too much like a dramatic embellishment. Or is it a detail to weird not to be true.

I have no doubt he was a shitty sex partner either way, and I can 100% believe he backed out on the agreed price. I don't know, I fully believe he is capable of doing exactly as described but I just can't rule out "ramp up maximum consensual awfulness" in tabloid "journalism".

Just imagine being a single, working mom who had to return to work after 6 weeks to pay the rent. Not a lot of sympathy here.

Yup that is a shitty situation. It doesn't mean that Anna's can't be as well.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Featherhat

[dillpickles]

That etonline article is bizarre. Who was at your table at Christmas? The mother and father who let their daughters be molested for five years. Is this news to you?

I could honestly see this as Jessa. Hell, maybe she honestly thought her older brother changed from his younger days. After all, he got married... and marriage was supposed to fix the problem. This was his only purpose, why throw it away on hookers?

We know that Josh has issues that prayer and marriage won't fix, but she was raised to believe that he was fixed. God forgave him, and he wasn't supposed to sin anymore, he apologized to the church! I actually don't see it as Amy, because I'm pretty sure nothing would suprise her after she found out about the first "mistake".

Don't quote me on this though, just my two cents.

[Missy Vixen]

Of course there would be.  The Duggars need to live in reality for once and recognize that it is not healthy for most marriages to be like this.  First of all, everyone hates feeling outside pressure to have kids or be a parent when they don't want to, and I can only assume that Josh is the same.  But the main thing is that the vast majority of married couples would never be able to sexually bond under these conditions!  How is Josh supposed to feel a deep sexual intimacy with his wife if every time he cums he feels niggling sense of stress and anxiety that it will produce another child he neither wants nor can afford? 

Here's my damage with the above: If Josh Duggar is old enough to have sex, he's old enough to get his ass to a doctor's office, investigate methods of birth control, and USE THEM. He's too damn lazy to do any of the above. After all, he wouldn't want to actually have to make an appointment, get himself there, bla bla bla. We won't even discuss the argument with Anna when he told her that they would be using birth control for the time being, because (again) he didn't have the guts to be honest with anyone in his life!

 

Seriously -- how many more excuses are we all going to make for this brain-dead oaf? Again: If he's old enough to have sex (and does not want the consequences of another baby), he should have taken himself to the doctor or at the very least, learned to pull out! No matter how embarrassing it was to admit that he didn't actually KNOW about something, the doctor's office would have provided him with condoms, instruction on how to use them, or asked for Anna to visit with him so that SHE could use an undetectable-to-their-parents method like Depo-Provera. If Anna insisted on not using birth control, he had other options as well. Like jerking off in the shower. I'm sorry to be so gross, but Jesus H. Christ, how old is he? He bears SOME responsibility for his behavior, does he not?

 

He's already shown he doesn't believe in his parents' religion by his actions, but he is too much of a coward to actually DO SOMETHING about the perma-pregnancies. According to the porn star he allegedly slept with, he didn't use protection there, either. Does he think it's less sinful to NOT use a condom? What the hell is wrong with him, besides the fact he's an immature child? And I don't give him one bit of slack for his upbringing. MOST people didn't have a great childhood. By the time you're 27 and have impregnated your wife for the fourth time -- let alone whoever it is he was screwing on the side -- it might be a good idea to grow up. Just a bit.

[Churchhoney]

 

He's already shown he doesn't believe in his parents' religion by his actions, but he is too much of a coward to actually DO SOMETHING about the perma-pregnancies. According to the porn star he allegedly slept with, he didn't use protection there, either. Does he think it's less sinful to NOT use a condom? What the hell is wrong with him, besides the fact he's an immature child? And I don't give him one bit of slack for his upbringing. MOST people didn't have a great childhood. By the time you're 27 and have impregnated your wife for the fourth time -- let alone whoever it is he was screwing on the side -- it might be a good idea to grow up. Just a bit.

 

Honestly, with the whole Duggar family, starting with Jim Bob and Michelle and moving down through Josh and the other kids (oh, heck, starting with Grandma, really, come to think of it), I have no idea what combination of factors lies behind their behavior.

 

The roots of stuff they do must be some mix of "s/he actually believes in the 'principles' of her/his faith/ideology" "s/he's too childish, immature and weak to act on what s/he really believes -- or is questioning -- instead of what the Duggar tradition has been," and "s/he doesn't really believe anything but acts entirely out of various neuroses, other sick psychological tics and just plain rottenness."

 

Every time I think one of these predominates with somebody, something else happens and I change my mind. For stupid, ignorant, shallow, ridiculous people, their behavior certainly is challenging to understand.

[Anne Elk]

I think I'm one of the few people here who actually 100% believes that Josh would be scary and violent towards a porn star he's paying to have sex with. I can absolutely see him calling her a whore and a slut and a million other horrible names while paying her for sex. 

 

Josh doesn't want to live the Gothard life, but I'm pretty sure he still believes in the main points they always touch on: the gays are evil and/or pedophiles, abortion is the actual worst thing ever, birth control is a tool of the devil, women are sinful temptresses unless they're following all of Gothard's rules on grooming and modesty aaaaaand talking with baby-voices, etc. etc. etc. 

 

I don't think he's doing these things and becoming guilt-ridden...I think Josh genuinely considers himself above the rules. And why wouldn't he? His parents have given him a get-out-of-jail-free-card since he was a teenager fondling his as young as 5 years old sisters. He's probably upset when he gets caught, but I don't think Josh actually intends to change his ways. I think he intends to put on a good face for the Gothardite world (since he owes pretty much his fame and fortune to the fundy fanbase), go through rehab, and come out of it a much more sly and subtle Josh. 

 

I'll fully admit that this could be a wrong interpretation of his character, but he was slimy to me even in the early specials; he strikes me as a boy who knows what he can get away with and doesn't care who he hurts unless it affects himself. He's willing to play by Gothard rules because Gothard rules have given him what he's gotten so far, and because he genuinely believes in all of the teachings that don't apply to him, but he doesn't strike me as someone who feels sorry for his actions, ever.

 

I can absolutely see the Josh Duggar that I think he is being the Josh Duggar that is described by the porn star he slept with.

 

You may very well be right. I admit, most of the reason I think there is more to him is that I think it's more interesting that way. There's no way anyone really knows what's going on in his head and what his motivations are, possibly not even Josh himself. Certainly, someone who can live that kind of hidden life while married, a father of four, working in politics, making frequent visits to his fundamentalist parents, and having his life filmed for reality television is someone who is capable of quite an enormous level of deception. 

 

Regardless of who he is today, I think the seeds for that were sown growing up in that house. When even normal, everyday thoughts are considered to be damning sins, you either sublimate completely or you learn how to be an excellent liar. Or both.

[HundFan]

http://gizmodo.com/the-fembots-of-ashley-madison-1726670394

 

This article is a great tutorial for a naif like me. Two weeks ago, I probably would have guessed Ashley Madison was an upscale store selling linens from Provence. 

[Marigold]

Just got back on here. My computer was jammed.

I knew he would be shipped off asap to some lame pray it away place. Nothing wrong with prayers but he needs trained professionals. 

I am so not surprised that he paid for some action. So not surprised he was really rough. Josh has anger issues. I think he secretly rages that he is stuck in a lifestyle he hates. 

I am surprised Anna and Josh were in some mountain house alone? I think that were trapped in the TTH. Not sure I believe the mountain house story. Jim Bob is too controlling to let him be alone. 

[JoanArc]

I had another long day, but everyone's posts are GREAT. I saw this great idea for a spinoff that saves the franchise:

 

 

Josh: Who are you talking to right now? Who is it you think you see? Do you know how much side pussy I get in a year? I mean, even if I told you, you wouldn't believe it. Do you know what would happen if I suddenly decided to stop going into work? A business big enough that it could headline an entire cable channel goes belly up! Disappears! It ceases to exist without me. No, you clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not in danger, Anna. I am the danger! A guy opens his door and sees a porn star and you think that of me? No. I am the one who knocks up!

Edited August 27, 2015 by JoanArc

[wovenloaf]

Here's my damage with the above: If Josh Duggar is old enough to have sex, he's old enough to get his ass to a doctor's office, investigate methods of birth control, and USE THEM. He's too damn lazy to do any of the above. After all, he wouldn't want to actually have to make an appointment, get himself there, bla bla bla. We won't even discuss the argument with Anna when he told her that they would be using birth control for the time being, because (again) he didn't have the guts to be honest with anyone in his life!

 

Seriously -- how many more excuses are we all going to make for this brain-dead oaf? Again: If he's old enough to have sex (and does not want the consequences of another baby), he should have taken himself to the doctor or at the very least, learned to pull out! No matter how embarrassing it was to admit that he didn't actually KNOW about something, the doctor's office would have provided him with condoms, instruction on how to use them, or asked for Anna to visit with him so that SHE could use an undetectable-to-their-parents method like Depo-Provera. If Anna insisted on not using birth control, he had other options as well. Like jerking off in the shower. I'm sorry to be so gross, but Jesus H. Christ, how old is he? He bears SOME responsibility for his behavior, does he not?

 

He's already shown he doesn't believe in his parents' religion by his actions, but he is too much of a coward to actually DO SOMETHING about the perma-pregnancies. According to the porn star he allegedly slept with, he didn't use protection there, either. Does he think it's less sinful to NOT use a condom? What the hell is wrong with him, besides the fact he's an immature child? And I don't give him one bit of slack for his upbringing. MOST people didn't have a great childhood. By the time you're 27 and have impregnated your wife for the fourth time -- let alone whoever it is he was screwing on the side -- it might be a good idea to grow up. Just a bit.

AMEN! To all this!

[Joe Jitsu913]

'Puddin' is a very Southern, very Texas thing to say. I remember hearing that expression a lot when I lived there as a child.

[LilyoftheValley]

The thing of it is, is that Josh cannot use birth control without his entire social circle being viciously down on him.  I completely agree that adults do need to make their own decisions, but I think that sometimes those of us from normal backgrounds forget a little just how fucked up Josh's life is.  He and Anna can't stop having kids or else they risk being completely ostracized from all of their friends and family (well Anna at least has one cool sibling). Breaking away from your social support is much harder than many here understand.  Of course it can be done, but there is a reason why almost all Amish kids return after their Rumspringa; it is simply too hard to make it in the world without support.  To me, the children of this cult are in a horrible position.  On the one hand, no doubt many of them (like all people) don't really want 10+ kids, but on the other hand, using birth control is an affront to God and is heinous thing to do in the eyes of their family and social group.  Telling Josh to just grow up and be his own person is easy for most of us to say.  Most of us might have a mom who would really like some grandbabies please, but other than that, modern people do not have family pressure to have a ton of kids.  To us, family planning is a private matter, and to Josh, family planning is a public matter.  He can't just go get condoms and solve his problem.  It just doesn't work that way.  It should of course, but in Josh's world doing something like that would be the end of his position in his entire social group.  That is pretty damn hard thing to do.  

[3 is enough]

 

I've got a question for those who say that Josh didn't want to live the Gothard life. Do you think he knew before Anna and the kids that he didn't want the Gothard life but went along with it because of JB/Michelle and the TLC gravy train or do you think he started experiencing the crushing responsibility of a zillion kids and maybe adding to that the move to DC and suddenly being around less fundamentalist people and he realized he didn't think this was such a great life.

I think he thought he wanted the life at the beginning, albeit without 19 kids, and after a few years and a couple of kids the novelty wore off.  Then going to Washington and meeting people outside the circle he just felt more and more trapped.  I think the first Ashley Madison account was opened in 2011?  So probably after Michael was born- he started to think, "oh crap, this shit is getting REAL", and he started panicking and ramped up from the porn.

 

The signs that he wasn't totally on board with his parents' lifestyle were there: the big screen tv, the fact that he kept saying 2 or 3 kids would be fine.  When the FRC came calling it must have been a dream come true.

 

I think he really did love Anna, but in the real world she would have been his high school sweetheart, he would have outgrown her, and always remembered her fondly.  But with 4 kids he could not leave.

 

Should he have insisted on birth control?  Of course.  But at the end of the day, we don't know what really was going through his head, what was really going on at home when the cameras were off, or how much he parents and the cult messed him up. That doesn't excuse his cheating, and don't even get me started on the molestation, but I think this is a really screwed up individual.

 

I always had a bit of a soft spot for Josh.  His smugness, sanctimoniousness, and politics made me see red, but he is the same age as my daughter, and I couldn't help comparing their lives. While he was getting married, she was away at university, when he had 2 kids, she was starting medical school, when Joshgate I broke, she was graduating, moving in with her fiance, and getting ready to start her residency. She is getting married in the spring, they are very happy, and have no plans to start a family any time soon.  I think that is the type of life Josh really wanted, and it is so sad that his parents were so indoctrinated in the cult that the possibility that any of their children wanted a different life never occurred to them.

Edited August 28, 2015 by 3 is enough

[kalamac]

As an avid comic book fan, I hear puddin' and it makes me think of Harley Quinn and The Joker.

I'd rather not have those thoughts tainted by Josh.

[Fuzzysox]

I had another long day, but everyone's posts are GREAT. I saw this great idea for a spinoff that saves the franchise:

 

 

Josh: Who are you talking to right now? Who is it you think you see? Do you know how much side pussy I get in a year? I mean, even if I told you, you wouldn't believe it. Do you know what would happen if I suddenly decided to stop going into work? A business big enough that it could headline an entire cable channel goes belly up! Disappears! It ceases to exist without me. No, you clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not in danger, Anna. I am the danger! A guy opens his door and sees a porn star and you think that of me? No. I am the one who knocks up!

I can see Boob pushing Josh into another reality show once he is done with bible camp err I mean rehab. Easy money and he can psuh Josh to further push their ministry err I mean his repentance.

[HeyNow]

I had another long day, but everyone's posts are GREAT. I saw this great idea for a spinoff that saves the franchise:

 

 

Josh: Who are you talking to right now? Who is it you think you see? Do you know how much side pussy I get in a year? I mean, even if I told you, you wouldn't believe it. Do you know what would happen if I suddenly decided to stop going into work? A business big enough that it could headline an entire cable channel goes belly up! Disappears! It ceases to exist without me. No, you clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not in danger, Anna. I am the danger! A guy opens his door and sees a porn star and you think that of me? No. I am the one who knocks up!

 

 

Yowza.  And for some reason, I keep hearing this in Donald Trump's voice....

[FakeJoshDuggar]

It baffles me why (other than her religion dictates it) Anna would stay. Her husband was trolling for women and sleeping with God knows how many of them almost from the get go of their marriage. That's not the sign of a happily married man. His life with Anna was what was expected of him his secret actions was the life he wanted. All of that is not going to magically change. It really does break my heart for all of them, especially the kids. One day they will learn how to Google.

[Granny58]

Yes and no.  The thing is that looking at porn and wanting casual sex without always making babies is a totally normal thing for a man in his 20's to want.  If he "turns his life around" then all that means is that he is conforming to the life his parents picked for him, a life he repeatedly said he did not want.  Josh is a turd, don't get me wrong.  But I must think that most normal guys in his position would find sex with his wife to be stressful and perhaps not all that pleasurable at this point.  I am sure it was at first, but now he is 27 with four kids, and he clearly does not want anymore kids, but he is compelled to have even more if he wants to have sex with his wife.  The whole thing is just really messed up.  The Duggars clearly thought that "steady pussy" would tame Josh.  Well steady pussy leads to steady babies, and Josh doesn't want steady babies.  The whole lifestyle is simply not suited to who Josh his.  The Duggars, total shit parents that they are, raised the child they wanted instead of the child they had.  Josh does not need to go to some faith-based rehab, he just needs to live a life itself that is not faith-based.  I never thought I would have any sympathy for this hypocritical turd, but here I am.  

Dare I say it?  "Free Josh?"  Never thought I would, but I can see it.  

Edited August 28, 2015 by Granny58

[JoanArc]

 

Free Josh

He couldn't even give it away for free.

[Churchhoney]

I can see Boob pushing Josh into another reality show once he is done with bible camp err I mean rehab. Easy money and he can psuh Josh to further push their ministry err I mean his repentance.

 

Oh, no. So much bad in one (all too possible) scenario. Boob still pushing the same stupid crap. Boob still running Josh's life as Josh gets older and older and older. Duggars still making money off their unearned celebrity. Josh still being a robot following the Duggar way. Duggars still influencing idiots to think that their way of life is great. Duggars still on television. Josh still on television. Worst of all -- maybe Boob still on television.

 

Make it go away.

[OhioMom]

Don't leave the party is just starting!

I'm waiting for the big announcement that Bristol Palen's baby is Josh's. And Famy crying that her wedding thunder has been stolen because of it.

She would have to get in line behind Jessa-Blessa....whose pregnancy and childbirth can't be made into a TV special  now.

[Julia]

She would have to get in line behind Jessa-Blessa....whose pregnancy and childbirth can't be made into a TV special  now.

 

Although, you know - and mods please tell me if I'm too far afield and I'll move it - it looks as if the Duggar girls were offered their place in the sun for pretending that their family was what it was supposed to be, and they were well and truly screwed. Not that I think that they should have been rewarded for being part of (what my mom used to call) a snare and a delusion. Just that they gave up unimaginable levels of self-respect to get the prize they never got near.