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hoosier80
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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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The town of Rockford has the info and is suspicious already....

http://www.rrstar.com/article/20150826/NEWS/150829610

 

They've got every reason to be.  

 

Ugh.  Why did they have to send him here?  Isn't there some program down closer to his Bible Belt roots that they could have pawned him off on?

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Celia Rubenstein

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Point taken.  But this place is NO Betty Ford Center.

 

My point is that a lot of rehab places insist the patients do their own housekeeping. It's not just the Betty Ford Center and it's not just this place.  It's pretty standard.  It's not a sign the program is a scam. 

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Churchhoney

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True.  There is no way he can be helped if he is not allowed to talk about his 'problem'.  What's wrong with them?  Sounds like OK, while you're here you will bury all of your problems, go into denial about them, and do work. Yeah that's not going to work.

 

It is the Duggar-Gothard philosophy of life, however. ... Well, except for the "do work" part.

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JennyMominFL

JennyMominFL

Wow, this is fascinating.  How do you know this?  I'm copying and pasting for my own future reference :-)

I am a convert from Christianity to Judaism. In the procees I studied under Reform, Conservative and Orthodox Rabbi. My post was from Chabad.org.

Here is the link I should have

posted

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/510244/jewish/Ritual-purity-after-birth-of-males-and-females.htm

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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Have they started attending Cross Church regularly? I didn't know that. 

 

No. That's just some more for-shit non-reporting "reporting" by another of these 24-7 repeat-the-rumor-without-checking-or-even-understanding-it media outlets.

 

This whole meme about how Cross Church is the Duggars' church -- and it's not; it's Southern Baptist, and JB is not -- started because Jill wrote that Cross Church was "our home church," meaning it's hers and her new headship's. Derick has gone there.Derick and Jill have gone there (and were married there), but the whole nonsense about its being the Duggar family's church is bull based on somebody's misunderstanding of what Jill meant and everybody else's parroting of that somebody, whoever that first somebody was.

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3girlsforus

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My point is that a lot of rehab places insist the patients do their own housekeeping. It's not just the Betty Ford Center and it's not just this place.  It's pretty standard.  It's not a sign the program is a scam. 

 

I agree. There are things about the program that are normal for this type of facility. As someone above said the food stamp thing doesn't seem out of line either since it's up to the State of Illinois to decide if someone if eligible in the first place. 

 

What makes this place a scam is the lack of credentialed psychologists and medical personal and the fact that they willingly admit they don't address people's addition, just their spiritualness. 

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poopchute

poopchute

DC (or Maryland where he was living at the time) is only about 120 miles from Philly. Outside of bad traffic times you could make that drive in 2 hours, interstate 95 most of the way 70 mph.

This is exactly what I expected to come out, I bet Josh figured that going to Philly removed the risk of getting caught.

Sorry, I should have specified. I live in Philly, so I know he's close, just didn't think of why he would be coming here unless specifically for the strippers. So where does he tell Anna he's going, I wonder.

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I'm going to look into this food assistance thing further. Food stamp criteria are managed by the individual states and residency requirements vary from state to state. It may not be illegal but it is not what the program is set up to for (spirit of the law v letter of the law) those benefits are meant for IL residents and not to subsidize some bogus treatment center. i think when people start snooping around this treatment center they are going to rue the day they heard the name Josh Duggar.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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 If the state of Illinois thinks you deserve food assistance and gives it to you, how is that a scam?

 

 

Well, it's possible that it isn't. But I think it's also possible that somebody in the state government has ties to these people and will look the other way while they get bucks forwarded to them for food even when the request is questionable and skirts the rules. I think Gothard, for example, has had some possible sweetheart deals with the Illinois government in the past, hasn't he? ......

 

I'm not saying this is the case. But if it were the case, it certainly wouldn't be the first time that somebody knew somebody in government who got them a better deal than they would have gotten had the rules been followed closely. (A better deal in this case being that somebody can come to their program and pay them for food, even though that somebody might be only borderline eligible for the food stamps or not have fulfilled a residency requirement, or whatever.)

Sorry, I should have specified. I live in Philly, so I know he's close, just didn't think of why he would be coming here unless specifically for the strippers. So where does he tell Anna he's going, I wonder.

 

To the mid-PA countryside to talk to some nice conservative Pennsylvanians about family values?

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Julia

Julia

Ashley Madison is a scam "entertainment" service; most of the women on the site don't even exist. Gizmodo traced the email addresses of the "women" and found most looped back to AshleyMadison.com. They also traced how many "women" checked their inboxes or messages. Nearly zero. 

 

Well, I guess the hackers (note: this is not an endorsement) found the one breach in Ashley Madison's armor. Because nobody out there has any reason _not_ to join a class action suit any more.

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Defrauder

Defrauder

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I believe Danica.  Who would want to admit to having Josh relations.  She definitely didn't enjoy it, so yeah from the horrid description of what transpired and how desperate he was to cheat (paying $250 to AM for a guaranteed affair) I think the whole thing went down just like she said. He seems to have an affinity for strippers and of course porn stars.

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Celia Rubenstein

Celia Rubenstein

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Well, it's possible that it isn't. But I think it's also possible that somebody in the state government has ties to these people and will look the other way while they get bucks forwarded to them for food even when the request is questionable and skirts the rules. I think Gothard, for example, has had some possible sweetheart deals with the Illinois government in the past, hasn't he? ......

 

I'm not saying this is the case. But if it were the case, it certainly wouldn't be the first time that somebody knew somebody in government who got them a better deal than they would have gotten had the rules been followed closely. (A better deal in this case being that somebody can come to their program and pay them for food, even though that somebody might be only borderline eligible for the food stamps or not have fulfilled a residency requirement, or whatever.)

 

Well I do know one thing for sure - if this place is actually up to any funny business with this food assistance stuff, someone is going to ferret it out because when it comes to the Duggars, rarely is stone left unturned, ha

 

 

 

 i think when people start snooping around this treatment center they are going to rue the day they heard the name Josh Duggar.

 

Indeed! 

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Oldernowiser

Oldernowiser

I'm sorry, but Josh Duggar would have to hold a gun to my dogs' heads before I would have sex with him. Fifteen hundred bucks? Twice, let alone once?

There isn't enough money in the world to make that worth it...

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but my god....if only he had been encouraged to lead his own life.  Is it too optimistic to hope that his parents see the problems with this type of parenting style and allow more freedom?  You can still be a moral person without this degree of repression.  

 

Having come from a highly repressive environment myself, I've never really believed that the Duggar repression has the least bit to do with anybody thinking about how to lead children to be moral people. In my repressive household, the repression was clearly the product of an over-developed craving for power and a lot of narcissism, and while religion and moral behavior were mentioned, they obviously functioned only as tools of somebody's ego trip. Correctly or incorrectly, I've always seen Jim Bob and Michelle as looking, sounding, behaving just like my own family members. So I don't think a craving to foster children's morality and right religious belief has anything to do with it. It's all about their desire to control and repress somebody. And how wonderful to have 19 people to repress. An egotistical, power-mad narcissist's dream. ..... That's why they won't change their parenting style, I think. It's not about beliefs or ideas or theologies. It's about their very neurotic needs and cravings.

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cocobeans

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Sorry, I should have specified. I live in Philly, so I know he's close, just didn't think of why he would be coming here unless specifically for the strippers. So where does he tell Anna he's going, I wonder.

Oh, my bad Poopchute -- there is a sentence I never thought I would type!

 

My guess, maybe he told folks he was going to a prayer meeting with Rick Santorum?

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

Quote above from the linked article, bold mine

 

8 minutes on the ground?! JD didn't even stop the airplane.   Just slowed down and threw Josh and his suitcase out!

Bye Felicia*

 

LMFAO

 

*Edit to add an insult I forgot :-)

 

Not only did John David get to vent a few things on Joshie boy, but Jim Bob probably paid less in landing fees that way.

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Anne Elk

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I am a convert from Christianity to Judaism. In the procees I studied under Reform, Conservative and Orthodox Rabbi. My post was from Chabad.org.

Here is the link I should have

posted

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/510244/jewish/Ritual-purity-after-birth-of-males-and-females.htm

 

Thanks for the link! 

Fuzzysox

Fuzzysox

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So I read the daily schedule. No way is Josh, a grown man, going to stick that one out. I can see him calling an Uber for a ride to O'Hare airport and walking out in broad daylight.

Before he hits O'Hare he can make a stop by Heavenly Bodies (fancy stripclub) than the seedy adult bookstore near O'Hare. Don't let the Windy City hit you on the way out Joshie. Ciao!! Edited by Fuzzysox
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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

Not only did John David get to vent a few things on Joshie boy, but Jim Bob probably paid less in landing fees that way.

Imagine the conversation re: "We're flying up there in the middle of the night and NOBODY will know until we announce it."

 

Hopefully John David at least slowed the plane so Anna could get out safely. She's allegedly in the Chicago area, too, if the information I read earlier is correct. (And I wonder about that -- she wouldn't leave her month-old baby, would she?)

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3 is enough

3 is enough

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Wonder if Jim Bob gave Josh an ultimatum: Finish the program or I cut you off without a penny.

 

I don't think Anna is in Illinois. People were speculating if JD flew her and the kids to see Priscilla, but then someone pointed out that the plane is too small for that many passengers.

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Joe Jitsu913

Joe Jitsu913

Excuse my random thoughts. It's been a looong day:

I bet the "counsel" that Anna is receiving is more along the lines of blackmail: "If you stay with Josh, like a good wife, you'll remain under my umbrella of protection where you and the grandbabies will be taken care of. If you leave Josh, then you and the grandbabies will be cut off indefinitely." - Jim Bob

In Duggarville, molesting children means you're just "curious". Cheating on your spouse and watching porn are "wrong choices", but being in a consensual relationship with someone of the same sex is considered a sin worth going to hell for.

This supposed rehab is just a scam. Not surprised. The Duggars do things "a little bit differently" so why would this rehab be anything but a scam? Josh has a Madonna/Whore complex. How is praying going to change 26+ years of brainwashing and misogyny as opposed to licensed therapy?

Whether Anna realizes it or not, SHE has the power here. Not Jim Bob, not Josh and not Mullet. They need her more than she needs them at this moment. They need her to play the faithful housewife who stands by her man. If Anna were to leave, the Duggars' image would be ruined (even more than it already is). They cannot afford to have her divorce Josh. She knows too much and is by far, a liability if she leaves him.

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shipmate

shipmate

So over on the Facebook Uproxx page, there is a link to the article of him, the stripper (porn star?) and the rough sex.  it's the comments where it gets interesting:

 

Charles Flanders: I used to kick this fucker out of strip clubs in Fayetteville on a weekly basis for offering dancers/strippers money and drugs for sex. This fucker is a douche.

Charles Flanders: He would just be the nicest guy until he got fuckerd up he get hands have to tell cut it out. Then the girls would tell me that digger guy (that's just what the girls called him) grabbed a handful or he let a finger slip, then he'd wine and offer money but he'd come back week after week.

Charles Flanders The worst I ever had to do was tell him time to go.

(when asked if he knew who Josh was) --Charles Flanders Yeah Weaver, in Northwest Arkansas if you don't know about Jim Bob and his circus, you live in a hole.

 

(when someone questioned if he was telling the truth) Charles Flanders Andrew cool is right I know nothing what I'm saying. he obviously knows the truth let him tell you the name of the strip club and his favorite dancers that he had "relations" with. Go ahead you must know the truth.

 

Charles Flanders Lori Mac the first couple of times I didn't care (still dont) then when he would tell me the whole "do you know who my dad is bs". After the 3rd or 4th time I got to know him.

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Fuzzysox

Fuzzysox

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I love the final quote in this article..... 'We don't focus on the addiction'. Gee that sounds really effective.

This is why I'm sayng scam to it being a rehab. A real rehab would have licensed doctors and therapists.

Why don't they call it what it is, biblebelting bootcamp til you get fixed.

Hope they aren't getting state funds to run this because the state is BROKE. Real doctors as well as daycare centers are not getting paid. To see state money being misused really makes my blood boil.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

Imagine the conversation re: "We're flying up there in the middle of the night and NOBODY will know until we announce it."

 

 

I kind of think that the Duggars do know that people can easily find, and probably interpret, their flight information. There's been a long and ongoing battle between rich individual and business owners of private planes and the government about just what should be required before the FAA suppresses information about a flight plan. They want to do it only in cases where there's a clear security threat to the plane's passengers and, of course, people who own private planes would like the "security threat" thing to be interpreted as loosely as possible so they can keep many flights off the public record. That seems to me like the kind of thing that Jim Boob, dim as he is, would know about.

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Defrauder

Defrauder

Excuse my random thoughts. It's been a looong day:

I bet the "counsel" that Anna is receiving is more along the lines of blackmail: "If you stay with Josh, like a good wife, you'll remain under my umbrella of protection where you and the grandbabies will be taken care of. If you leave Josh, then you and the grandbabies will be cut off indefinitely." - Jim Bob

In Duggarville, molesting children means you're just "curious". Cheating on your spouse and watching porn are "wrong choices", but being in a consensual relationship with someone of the same sex is considered a sin worth going to hell for.

This supposed rehab is just a scam. Not surprised. The Duggars do things "a little bit differently" so why would this rehab be anything but a scam? Josh has a Madonna/Whore complex. How is praying going to change 26+ years of brainwashing and misogyny as opposed to licensed therapy?

Whether Anna realizes it or not, SHE has the power here. Not Jim Bob, not Josh and not Mullet. They need her more than she needs them at this moment. They need her to play the faithful housewife who stands by her man. If Anna were to leave, the Duggars' image would be ruined (even more than it already is). They cannot afford to have her divorce Josh. She knows too much and is by far, a liability if she leaves him.

Excellent Post!

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Celia Rubenstein

Celia Rubenstein

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But the schedule shows ONLY the women cleaning, from 9am to 4 pm on Saturdays.  The men are all in Bible Study.  Men have NO cleaning hours according to the schedule.  Idiots. 

 

The schedule also shows no one gets lunch during the week and some days people get dressed after they have already attended meetings in the mornings. It's a mess.  But it would not surprise me the women really do have to do all the cleaning.  In some other spot they mentions maintenance, and I envision the menfolk doing that work.   Painting, trimming hedges, etc.  Extremely stereotypical.  But I doubt the women are the only ones doing chores.  It's supposed to be character building or something and integrate you into the patient community. But I would bet they would never make a woman cut the grass or a man scrub a toilet.  The universe would shift entirely off kilter if something like that happened, I'm sure.

 

Women have to wear uniforms to church as well.  What a freaking mess this places is.

 

The men have to wear similar "uniform shirts" with which they are free to wear a navy or black blazer, lol (women may wear their own navy or black cardigan).  So everyone is wearing the little monkey suits to church, not just the women.

 

This place sounds more like boarding school than rehab.

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leighdear

leighdear

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Josh is unemployed, and if all assets are in Boob's name, then technically Josh is indigent

But Josh is not a resident of the state of Illinois.  He's a visitor.  I don't know any specifics, but I don't think an individual can just move out of state into a privately owned facility on a temporary basis and claim residency and benefits. 

 

Don't most colleges & universities, make you reside in the state for at least a year before claiming resident status? This has got to be similar.  But they receive government funds, and we don't know if this place does. 

 

Josh is not now, nor has ever been a resident of Illinois.  I don't see how within 48 hours, he can be eligible for anything.  

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MrHufflepuff

MrHufflepuff

"Hyles–Anderson College (HAC) is an unaccredited Independent Baptist college in unincorporated Crown Point, Lake County, Indiana.[2]"

 

And OF COURSE the place where most of these jokes went to school is a joke school.     

He would be a perfect fit. He has no real education either.

 

HAC was founded by Jack Hyles, who was accused of having affairs, and the affiliated church had numerous molestation scandals during his reign.  His daughter gave a TED talk a few years back talking about her messed up childhood.

 

Hyles' son-in-law is Jack Schapp, who took over after Hyles died.  Schapp was sentenced to prison for having an affair with an underage girl.  

 

Here's a sermon of Schapp's (probably NSFW) in which he -- well, this is just a weird sermon.

 

 

I wouldn't trust anyone from HAC about curing sexual addiction issues.

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SmallTownMom

SmallTownMom

Anna is probably being "counseled" by this circus of idiots.  Didn't she blame herself and her cooking for Josh being overweight?  She was raised to think anything that goes wrong is her fault.

 

I sincerely hope that she tells the whole Duggar clan to leave her alone.  A few months of being on her own, taking care of her kids, and making choices for herself may give her some self esteem.  You can do it, Anna.  Other women have in even worse circumstances.

 

I want to see this young lady blossom, out of the shadow of this cult.  If she stays with him, heaven help her because Josh isn't going to change.

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Chai

Chai

While Josh is away how will Anna pay the bills and buy groceries and other things for which money is needed? Where did his money come from? TLC? I hope Anna uses some , if there is any and opens her own checking account. I would hope for more, but I am afraid to say she probably won't.

 

These people are making me sick too. 

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Celia Rubenstein

Celia Rubenstein

This is why I'm sayng scam to it being a rehab. A real rehab would have licensed doctors and therapists.

Why don't they call it what it is, biblebelting bootcamp til you get fixed.

 

It is just bible camp.  There is no indication of real therapy being given, just a lot of sermons and bible study and journaling.  You are basically supposed to just read a lot of scripture and magically change yourself.  Good luck with that. 

 

The good news is the aftercare plan includes someone assuming the role of "discipler" in a graduate's life.  huh? WTF is that about? It sounds like just assigning yet another person the responsibility to monitor Josh and keep him in check.  Hasn't this been tried and tried and failed and failed?  Josh Duggar needs to learn to keep himself in check.  The answer is not having his sisters sleep in their clothes behind locked doors, forbidden to play hide and seek. The answer is not to have Anna call snap inspections of his online activities.  The answer is not having Jim Bob or some other old coot from their cult have once a week sit downs with Josh to remind him not to be a lying, sneaking, cheating perverted WHOREMONGER. 

 

I just can't anymore.  

 

One of the ills this facility claims to treat is "post-rape depression." I just don't even know what to say.

 

My head just exploded.  Please excuse the mess. 

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