S08.E15: All Bets Are Off

[bichonblitz]

I don't see funny, self deprecating Bethenny anymore. Her TH's are not quick witted like she thinks they are. Her voice is more grating with each passing episode. Oh, god, that voice! Her one liners are nothing but vicious.  What has happened to this woman?  She has everything. Money, beautiful real estate, adorable child, (supposedly) a very wealthy wall street guy that is (supposedly) crazy about her. Just what in the fuck is her problem?  

[Bronzedog]

Carole's husband has been dead for 17 years.  Wouldn't it be normal for Lee Raziwell's couch to be looking a little rough?  How long does it take for them to look worn?

[WireWrap]

Does Carole watch the show? Has she not seen herself/Bethenny along with some of the others talk about Jules behind her back? Yes, Dorinda has been carrying tales between the HWs, as has Ramona but only Dorinda gets called out for doing it? http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/carole-radziwill/carole-radziwill-if-you-cant

Then there is this from her blog "So apparently all it takes for Jules to scream like a toddler is a little second hand “she said/she said” gossip. Boo-hoo."! Wasn't it second hand gossip that Bethenny used in her attack on Luann with? LOL Talk about denial! LOL

She is really angry and I suspect she got an earful at the reunion.

[ElDosEquis]

4 hours ago, Beden said:

And what I find interesting is that she feels the need to justify it--if she's that aware of it, obviously knows she's being criticized for it (hence the need to justify it), then frigging stop. And no, I don't care how many reasons or excuses she has; she's an obnoxious, entitled, alienating  bitch.

Alien-ating as in "I am from Planet Bethenny"?

[Castina]

18 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

They only filmed the reunion yesterday, so no contract offers have been handed out yet. So, we don't know if Jules will be asked back for next season or if she will accept if asked back. Bethenny tweeted that she is now the "only" married HW on the show a week or so ago but Jules was at the reunion so Bethenny was not the "only" married HW on the show when she tweeted that.

Ok!  I thought for some reason it was confirmed she wasn't returning.

[Baltimore Betty]

Did Sonja get a little work done in the breast department?  Seems like there is a bit more Sonja there.

Of course Sonja knew Rocco, probably did him in the 80's or 90's lol.  I did not see any chemistry between them.  How would Jules and Michael even know him anyway.  What was Sonja going on about while she was putting the place cards out? She was stringing random words together oddly, if she was not sure which Rocco it was it makes me think how many Italian Rocco's are in her social circle. Judging from Rocco's blazer he shops at the same place the Count shops, militarish velvet blazer must be all the rage for the older hipster European man.

I floved the napkin information, the guests would get one napkin for the entire week, too crazy, gotta Google that. 

Koodooz to John for not being disgusting at the dinner party.

Bethenny on the bus talking about Jules while she was right there was adolescent behavior and Jules should have called her out on it or joined in the conversation.  My husband stays at Mohegan Sun about once a week, (for business and I like the points he earns, it keeps me in Coach bags from the store in the casino!) and it is beautiful, not at all like the AC or Vegas garish casino décor.

Carole's bf never leaves the kitchen does he?

Lu needs to drop it with those women, they will always talk behind her back, she should enjoy her engagement and ignore those harpy's.  I for one would never feel bad about wearing an 8 carat diamond ring, if that is nouveau and not classic then too bad!

[WireWrap]

Just now, Castina said:

Ok!  I thought for some reason it was confirmed she wasn't returning.

I have not seen that at any of the blog sites. I think Bethenny was trying to start the rumor in hopes that Jules does leave the show because no one, and I do mean No One, is allowed to hold the mirror of truth up to Bethenny about B's ugly behavior.

[ElDosEquis]

3 hours ago, teapot said:

This reminds me of my husband.  He sometimes ventures into Homer Simpson territory, going, "I need to get that thing for that guy..."

and I'm like "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, MAN,  USE NOUNS!"

 

so I can't hate BetheME for that (but I can hate her for a whole lot of other reasons...)

MY wife concurs......I get to the end of a sentence and say, "Buh, buh, buh" - It's so bad, I have her doing it.

Fuck that, I don't use verbs, nouns, adverbs, pronouns, adjectives or any of that shit!

[WireWrap]

I have a question, how many here think Jules "yelled/screamed" at Bethenny? Yes, she spoke her truth that Bethenny's jokes are almost always at someone else's expense but IMO, she didn't yell/scream it, she didn't raise her voice, she didn't get into B's face or gesture wildly at her using her hands/fingers either....So, I am not understanding why they claimed she "yelled/screamed" at her. LOL

[bosawks]

I'd be a little disappointed to find out Sonja met a Rocco and didn't sleep with him.

[esco1822]

2 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

Word on the street is that Jules used a ghostwriter.

^THIS a thousand times!!! Of course she did.  Probably the same one that writes Teresa Giudice's blogs. I get being someone who needs time to compose their thoughts as opposed to an on your feet thinker but this is a whole other kettle of fish. It doesn't even "sound" like Jules in her manner or speaking. I'm not buying it.

Unrelated, I keep waiting for someone to point out to Lu that her knowing about Alex in 2 weeks should not be a ringing endorsement about knowing she'll spend her life with Tom.  Um, you and Alex got divorced.  

[Baltimore Betty]

6 minutes ago, bosawks said:

I'd be a little disappointed to find out Sonja met a Rocco and didn't sleep with him.

Bwahahahaha!

[Castina]

9 minutes ago, esco1822 said:

^THIS a thousand times!!! Of course she did.  Probably the same one that writes Teresa Giudice's blogs. I get being someone who needs time to compose their thoughts as opposed to an on your feet thinker but this is a whole other kettle of fish. It doesn't even "sound" like Jules in her manner or speaking. I'm not buying it.

Unrelated, I keep waiting for someone to point out to Lu that her knowing about Alex in 2 weeks should not be a ringing endorsement about knowing she'll spend her life with Tom.  Um, you and Alex got divorced.  

But they were married 16 years, have two kids and seem to still have a friendly relationship.  Some people who met and dated for a year, engaged for another year before marrying don't have that.    I'd see the point if her and Alex divorced within a year or two but they were more than that. 

[ZaldamoWilder]

17 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I have a question, how many here think Jules "yelled/screamed" at Bethenny? Yes, she spoke her truth that Bethenny's jokes are almost always at someone else's expense but IMO, she didn't yell/scream it, she didn't raise her voice, she didn't get into B's face or gesture wildly at her using her hands/fingers either....So, I am not understanding why they claimed she "yelled/screamed" at her. LOL

{raiseshand} I think she yelled.  But I also don't care.  It's semantic.  I think she got louder, more animated and more frustrated at having her fluster pointed out and hurried along.    It didn't start out that way but as she was talking on top of the others trying to be heard, she escalated a little.  I might have to look at that again.

[Yours Truly]

Carole has something truly wrong with her. Her twitter is ridiculous and all she thinks absolves her is that she's in on the joke of being on reality TV while everyone around her takes shit too seriously BUT THEN she tweets some seriousness about how Jules is supposed to be responsible and work out her problems OFF TV. Who the fuck died and made her the "responsible reality show buerau representative". How fucking callous can she be? She's really trying to spin her straight up nasty behavior as something Jules is doing wrong therefore her asshole reactions to Jules has merit. OMG OMG OMG. See this is the callous bullshit I'm always referring to when defending Lu last season. Sure, there was a lot of shit back and forth and Lu wasn't innocent but Carole's dismissive nastiness has such a sting of heartlessness that I can understand why someone could be set off easily. Carole's really insulting and most of her digs revolve around people's lack of intelligence and how she's so much better and how unconcerned she is for anyone else. She has such a disregard for people having true reactions and her only defense is to insult people. This is the shit that I just can't get on board with. It seems like she can never be considerate of someone else's feelings once she's been put on the defense. I mean sure it's not fun to be called out on something but it seems that once you cross that line with her even if its a minor challenge she goes in and refuses to even consider that maybe just maybe there have been somethings that she should have been more sensitive about or apologize for. Oh no. She will defend her bullshit behavior til the cows come home. One thing I hate is when someone defends their actions just for the sake of defending them and start pulling out even more nasty bullshit to proof why the person she was fucked up to deserved to be treated fucked up. I mean it's endless with this women. When is the last time Carole ever reflected on anything and said she felt bad about how something came across or how she regrets being a part of something ugly? Cop to being involved in some not so nice activities or even say hey I was just in the background but yeah I can see how that wouldn't be the best way to handle that or wow, I felt bad for her after seeing that scene myself. Totally understand how that would be considered hurtful. NOTHING. NEVER. She can't ever be wrong, she doesn't ever have to apologize. She's perfect. Why? Well apparently cause she's in on the joke... Whatev!

[Castina]

I think Jules got emotional and a bit louder but I wouldn't say she yelled and shouted.  She certainly didn't seem to be louder than any of the others.  Saying she yelled and shouted is just their way of making her seem unstable and out of control.  Again with Bethenny  and the irony ;)

[zoeysmom]

10 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Does Carole watch the show? Has she not seen herself/Bethenny along with some of the others talk about Jules behind her back? Yes, Dorinda has been carrying tales between the HWs, as has Ramona but only Dorinda gets called out for doing it? http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/carole-radziwill/carole-radziwill-if-you-cant

Then there is this from her blog "So apparently all it takes for Jules to scream like a toddler is a little second hand “she said/she said” gossip. Boo-hoo."! Wasn't it second hand gossip that Bethenny used in her attack on Luann with? LOL Talk about denial! LOL

She is really angry and I suspect she got an earful at the reunion.

Carole came off as such a buffoon with the "talking behind another's back", a witty writer knows what that means in context.  Her effort in last week's blog and on the show this week just proves she is out of touch.  The coven meeting at Bethenny's where they discussed Luann-based on hearsay from Ramona, a notoriously unreliable historian, is what talking behind one's back is all about and Dorinda did not participate.  These can't handle the truth team members, have to know when their words are being recorded those same words are going to get back to the others.  If anything Dorinda laid the blame on Ramona instead of Carole regarding the "high horse" vs. "high road" comment.  She also lamented last week about Jules finding her voice in a restaurant and the ensuing embarrassment that ensued of fellow diners looking on.  Since Ramona walked in and complained of hearing big mouth Bethenny, loudly discussing Carole's sex life, I don't think the increased volume was limited to Jules. 

Carole claims since her training is as a journalist-something she has worked at very little in the last decade, she asks questions.  Why would she not use her superior investigative powers to perhaps learn what is appropriate conversation with a person with an eating disorder?  Carole on one hand remarks she likes Jules, but apparently doesn't like her when Jules calls her out for being insensitive.  Is it possible Carole doesn't realize that she is being insensitive?  I truly believe Jules is entitled to her feelings about Carole's statements. 

[ElDosEquis]

About jules 'finding her parts of speech'?

I have seen people who were bullied, taunted and marginalized find some inner strength. Something just clicks and their confidence goes off the charts - they become berserkers and nothing can put THAT monster back into the bottle.

Beffy got a taste of having her ass handed to her and she knows now that she CANNOT poke Jules directly, so she tries to lure her into a confrontation by doing the sotto voce thing with her.

Beffy would then probably accuse Jules of listening in to her private conversations and confront her accordingly - I think beffy just realized that she don't want none of Jules?

[tenativelyyours]

48 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

Carole's husband has been dead for 17 years.  Wouldn't it be normal for Lee Raziwell's couch to be looking a little rough?  How long does it take for them to look worn?

 

Okay imagine reading this on your tablet while slurping yet another iced coffee because it is as hot and humid as hell.  Now imagine a small droplet of condensation drops to said tablet obscuring the Lee Radziwill part except for the 's indicating a possessive tense and causing a cursory look to turn couch into 'cooch',

That fucking straw hurt me.

[biakbiak]

42 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I have a question, how many here think Jules "yelled/screamed" at Bethenny? Yes, she spoke her truth that Bethenny's jokes are almost always at someone else's expense but IMO, she didn't yell/scream it, she didn't raise her voice, she didn't get into B's face or gesture wildly at her using her hands/fingers either....So, I am not understanding why they claimed she "yelled/screamed" at her. LOL

I thought Bethenny was louder in her response to Jules than Jules.

[SparkleznConfetti]

12 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

About jules 'finding her parts of speech'?

I have seen people who were bullied, taunted and marginalized find some inner strength. Something just clicks and their confidence goes off the charts - they become berserkers and nothing can put THAT monster back into the bottle.

Beffy got a taste of having her ass handed to her and she knows now that she CANNOT poke Jules directly, so she tries to lure her into a confrontation by doing the sotto voce thing with her.

Beffy would then probably accuse Jules of listening in to her private conversations and confront her accordingly - I think beffy just realized that she don't want none of Jules?

Then Beth would fan the flames and shade her by accusing her of doing something heinous like ...gasp... "Finding her voice". Quelle horreur!!

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

Carole's husband has been dead for 17 years.  Wouldn't it be normal for Lee Raziwell's couch to be looking a little rough?  How long does it take for them to look worn?

That is what the fabric looks like-the good news it is on sale for more than 50% off right now-  https://www.decoratorsbest.com/p-lee-jofa-2005227-silk-tiger-velvet-oro-fabric-9823.aspx  Only $1,300.00 a yard and change for the fabric.  That comes out to about $36,000.00 for a new sofa. 

[ElDosEquis]

I don't think Scare-ole wanted beffy to pee on the couch, she wanted her to bleed on it.

------

When the wife and I have a conversation and I am on the losing (I fucked up) side of the argument?

I distract her with the line "why are you yelling at me?"

She is NOT yelling at me, I am trying to keep her from telling me that I am an asshole (Why didn't you replace the bag in the trash can? or What's for dinner?) by accusing her of screaming.

She stops the convo to remind me that she isn't yelling and that gives me a chance to derail her truth and her pointing out my shortcomings.

[breezy424]

43 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I have a question, how many here think Jules "yelled/screamed" at Bethenny? Yes, she spoke her truth that Bethenny's jokes are almost always at someone else's expense but IMO, she didn't yell/scream it, she didn't raise her voice, she didn't get into B's face or gesture wildly at her using her hands/fingers either....So, I am not understanding why they claimed she "yelled/screamed" at her. LOL

Nope.  Jules didn't scream or yell at Beth.  She didn't let Beth dominate the conversation.  She didn't back down.  It pissed Beth off royally and I think that's why she said don't yell at me.  Beth doesn't take well to being 'read'.

Beth got so riled up she says I'm going to speak now.  You don't get to be the only one to speak.  Interesting choice of words.  Not can I speak now?  Can I respond?  Are you done? Beth doesn't like not having control and that was an 'order' given to Jules.  I think it says a lot about Beth.

And then we have Beth's TH when she says her mother has an ED and this is why she had the worst childhood.  She's in her mid forties and still can't get over her childhood and not give one ounce of sympathy to her mother who had a disorder.  It's all about Beth.  Life ain't perfect Beth and neither are you.  So stop the 'blaming'.

[shoegal]

Here's how much sympathy I have for a woman who joins Season 7 of a Real Housewives franchise and complains that the other housewives are talking behind her back:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.....

 

Is Jules a fucking idiot?  Has the woman EVER seen a season of this show in ANY city?  SMH.

[zoeysmom]

Here is a clip from WWHL last night-Jules was in the audience.  She talks about the Reunion and her dinner scene from last night's episode.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/why-doesnt-jeff-lewis-like-heather-dubrow-twitter-feud
 

Spoiler

 

I was sorry to hear that a large part of the Reunion was about past seasons.  Bethenny escapes responsibility.

 

[SCS]

7 hours ago, abbottrabbit said:

Agreed -- the only real question is what the special and/or spinoff will be called. I'd like them to do a take on one of her song titles, the way they did with Don't Be Tardy for the Wedding, but I also think it would be delightful to watch Bethenny's head explode if they just called it LuAnn Getting Married?

 

Tom is wealthy, yes? How about Money will buy this ass?

[WireWrap]

56 minutes ago, esco1822 said:

^THIS a thousand times!!! Of course she did.  Probably the same one that writes Teresa Giudice's blogs. I get being someone who needs time to compose their thoughts as opposed to an on your feet thinker but this is a whole other kettle of fish. It doesn't even "sound" like Jules in her manner or speaking. I'm not buying it.

Unrelated, I keep waiting for someone to point out to Lu that her knowing about Alex in 2 weeks should not be a ringing endorsement about knowing she'll spend her life with Tom.  Um, you and Alex got divorced.  

Someone tweeted Carole asking her if Jules used a GW for her blog and Carole agreed! Someone should ask Carole if she uses a GW for her blogs as they are vastly different these last 2 seasons from her first 2 seasons. Back to my point, this Jules using a GW for this weeks blog started on Carole's twitter even though the blog reads like her other blogs this season do.

3 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Here's how much sympathy I have for a woman who joins Season 7 of a Real Housewives franchise and complains that the other housewives are talking behind her back:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.....

 

Is Jules a fucking idiot?  Has the woman EVER seen a season of this show in ANY city?  SMH.

IMO, most newbies think they won't be bothered by the other HWs gossiping about them behind their backs, Jules is no different, and it is a newbie/rookie mistake. That said, I think Jules thought more of these women and didn't think they would be mean gossips about her ED like they did. 

[kassa]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

Carole's husband has been dead for 17 years.  Wouldn't it be normal for Lee Raziwell's couch to be looking a little rough?  How long does it take for them to look worn?

The sofa was featured in some magazine in the 60s -- Carole drew attention to it in her first season. If you take on guardianship of a fashion piece antique, generally you repair small tears before they look like somebody sliced open the cushions looking for drugs.  Now, maybe to her it was never more than a cool couch from their apartment and had sentimental value apart from the fancy schmancy aspect... but then somehow it's still gone downhill in the past 3 years or however long she's been on the show since she first showed it.  And it seems like she went out of her way to feature it, even though it's in a back room.  Here, sit on my torn sofa cushion, ladies -- be sure that the gigantic slash lines up with your pantleg!

Just seemed... odd to me. 

[yourmomiseasy]

I don't care if Jules's blog was written by the Easter Bunny as dictated to Santa Claus, it's still a thing of beauty.  

Edited July 14, 2016 by yourmomiseasy

[tenativelyyours]

I do think coming on a show this late makes being shocked at cattiness and being gossiped about by the others a bit overly disingenuous.  But then imagine how I think of someone who not only is a returning veteran but someone who tried to keep a talk show career going by camping out next to the BRAVO reality show watering hole as it were when guests otherwise were a bit less keen, coming back after claiming she was above and beyond such.  And when spending a season playing a shell game with her personal life and acting like any of the other women showing an interest in her personal life on camera i.e. their job was to screech, weep and then run away (i.e. urine and shakes).

And this season acts like every woman who doesn't crawl up her ass* is morally corrupt in some way.  Unless she is called on it up front and claims it was joking or concern or both.  Then scampers away (even if it is just feet) and shakes urine and repeat.

 

*I do wonder just how dense and wrapped in her own fantasy of self Carole is.  When does she realize that while she's shoving herself up Frankel's ass, Frankel is thinking she and her bloody orifices are being mounted on a cross of suffering.  Psst.  It's Carole.  Not calvary.

Edited July 14, 2016 by tenativelyyours

[ElDosEquis]

8 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Someone tweeted Carole asking her if Jules used a GW for her blog and Carole agreed! Someone should ask Carole if she uses a GW for her blogs as they are vastly different these last 2 seasons from her first 2 seasons. Back to my point, this Jules using a GW for this weeks blog started on Carole's twitter even though the blog reads like her other blogs this season do.

Jules seems to have hit that nerve with the Toxic Twins.

Beffy won't get into the GW war - She already got shellacked in person once and via the interwebz, to make it twice. Scare-ole thinks that her going to bat for Beffy is her job now.  How sad is it if you need to send some scare-crow bitch to fight the battle that you started?

[abbottrabbit]

15 minutes ago, steelcitysister said:

 

Tom is wealthy, yes? How about Money will buy this ass?

STANDING O. 

[ihartcoffee]

Does anyone else find it odd that two of the thinnest women on the show are all over Jules about her weight?  Carole wanted to take her kitchen out and B posted a pic that everyone freaked on of her in her daughter's PJs. 

[OhGromit]

1 hour ago, bosawks said:

I'd be a little disappointed to find out Sonja met a Rocco and didn't sleep with him.

When I saw him, I was like "THAT'S THE WRONG ROCCO!"  The correct Rocco for Sonja was  

Edited July 14, 2016 by OhGromit

[tenativelyyours]

6 minutes ago, ihartcoffee said:

Does anyone else find it odd that two of the thinnest women on the show are all over Jules about her weight?  Carole wanted to take her kitchen out and B posted a pic that everyone freaked on of her in her daughter's PJs. 

 

Well it is said that the greatest flaws in ourselves are what bothers us the most in others........oh shit.

[Muffyn]

2 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Sheesh, I remember thinkin' how faboo Carole's apartment & her leopard couch was.  When was that?  2 million years ago?  Now her icky joint looks to me as ratty, dingy, cramped & shitty as Seinfeld's was.  

Hey, I'm wondering if someone peed on that now icky couch (like on Seinfeld).  Maybe monster Bethenny?  I'm sure Carole would be just fine & dandy with her doing that -- er, cuz Bethenny's pee is golden to Carole, right?

I can just picture it.  "You wanna pee on my couch?", Carole asks Bethenny.  Carole then says quickly, "Anything you want (panting like an obedient doggie), anything you want, your highness, just please, please, please, please keep me on the show, please, please, please, please.  And she says this while licking Bethenny's toes.  Yup, that's who you are now, Carole.

Carole would not only let Bethy pee on her couch, she would then lap it up. when she joined I hoped Carole would bring a different perspective to the show, calmer, more thoughtful.  Now she disgusts me with her mean girl tactics and reliance on Bethy for her raison d'etre. 

[movingtargetgal]

4 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

It was the intimate nature of everyone involved. Also one player was her niece. I don't get how anyone wouldn't understand that logic usually doesn't flow exactly the same way when its a close loved one involved in a hurtful or awkward situation. Do people not distinguish their feelings from family vs. acquaintances?

Luann was angry at Carole because she wanted Adam for herself plain and simple.  Lu claiming that she was so angry at Carole because of her niece is/was bullshit.  Lu was jealous of Carole.

[Bluedog100]

"The Unreal Synthetic Hair of Ramona Singer".  It's a show within a show.

I don't normally post much here because you people speak for me and much more succinctly.  But today I must add my thoughts, even if they are redundant.  Regarding physical appearance, I think Dorinda has luminous skin and Carole's profile makes her look like a cartoon character. And Adam looks greasy and unkempt and I wouldn't want him serving me anything heart-shaped unless it was sanitizer.

In my world, if someone confessed they threw up their food only days ago, all fights would be off in order to tend to this very sick, very fragile woman.  Of course, in my world, friends support and encourage each other.

I look at what a privileged life Carole has led and can't believe for such a small person she takes up so much wasted space.  I dislike her intensely.  And because it can't be said enough, Bethenny is a mean, ugly, spiteful bully.  A horrible bully.

It shames me that I willingly watch shows like this and Tuesday night's Below Deck that incite me to such strong feelings that I, who have never hit anyone in my life, want to slap the shit out of so many people on the combined shows.  No wonder I can't be calm enough to sleep at night.

[snarts]

[anonymiss]

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Does Carole watch the show? Has she not seen herself/Bethenny along with some of the others talk about Jules behind her back? Yes, Dorinda has been carrying tales between the HWs, as has Ramona but only Dorinda gets called out for doing it? http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/carole-radziwill/carole-radziwill-if-you-cant

I didn't read Carole's drivel but if she had the integrity to admit to her spineless behavior she wouldn't be doing it.

[ScoobieDoobs]

4 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

Word on the street is that Jules used a ghostwriter.

I think she stole Carole's ghostwriter.  And THAT's the real reason Carole is so pissy with her.  Ah, but Carole is just generally pissy this season.  Maybe her role of being Bethenny's lap dog is getting to her & she's realizing it's wearing thin & she looks so shitty this season?  Or maybe, as I suggested earlier, Bethenny really did piss on her now crappy-looking couch.  

Ah well, Carole, as my granny Gert used to say -- It's better to be pissed off than pissed on.  Have no idea what this has to with this ep -- other than how pissed off I am at Satan Andy for handing this show over to monster Bethenny.

[Rainny]

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I have a question, how many here think Jules "yelled/screamed" at Bethenny? Yes, she spoke her truth that Bethenny's jokes are almost always at someone else's expense but IMO, she didn't yell/scream it, she didn't raise her voice, she didn't get into B's face or gesture wildly at her using her hands/fingers either....So, I am not understanding why they claimed she "yelled/screamed" at her. LOL

I don't think Jules yelled/screamed at her. She was trying very hard to make a point and I think she raised her voice a little above her normal speaking voice. But I do think Bethenny screamed at her when she told her she couldn't talk anymore. 

[Rainny]

1 hour ago, ElDosEquis said:

I don't think Scare-ole wanted beffy to pee on the couch, she wanted her to bleed on it.

------

When the wife and I have a conversation and I am on the losing (I fucked up) side of the argument?

I distract her with the line "why are you yelling at me?"

She is NOT yelling at me, I am trying to keep her from telling me that I am an asshole (Why didn't you replace the bag in the trash can? or What's for dinner?) by accusing her of screaming.

She stops the convo to remind me that she isn't yelling and that gives me a chance to derail her truth and her pointing out my shortcomings.

Ha! Now I know why my 16 year old does that when I'm talking to him. I always wondered about that. I hate that. I won't tell him you ratted him out. 

[izabella]

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

They only filmed the reunion yesterday, so no contract offers have been handed out yet. So, we don't know if Jules will be asked back for next season or if she will accept if asked back. Bethenny tweeted that she is now the "only" married HW on the show a week or so ago but Jules was at the reunion so Bethenny was not the "only" married HW on the show when she tweeted that.

Maybe Bethy meant she was the only married HW that's dating a married man. 

She can't have it both ways...divorcing/single and dating (a non-divorcing married man) while at the same time crowing about being married.

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Bethenny on the bus talking about Jules while she was right there was adolescent behavior and Jules should have called her out on it or joined in the conversation. 

She did the same thing to Lu at Dorinda's.  After she started fighting with Lu across the table and Lu wanted to drop it, Bethy got her ass up, deliberately walked around the table and sat right next to (Carole?) and started talking to her about Lu, with Lu still sitting on that side of the table.  As though Lu wouldn't hear.  Unlike Jules, Lu called her out and asked why she had moved over there to talk about her, and that kicked off Bethy's plastic fuckdoll and whore part of her screeching.  By ignoring Bethy, Jules did not give her that opening to call her a skinny Ho, I guess.

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I have a question, how many here think Jules "yelled/screamed" at Bethenny? Yes, she spoke her truth that Bethenny's jokes are almost always at someone else's expense but IMO, she didn't yell/scream it, she didn't raise her voice, she didn't get into B's face or gesture wildly at her using her hands/fingers either....So, I am not understanding why they claimed she "yelled/screamed" at her. LOL

Didn't you get the memo?  Anyone who dares speak to Bethy about her own shortcomings is automatically considered yelling.  Lu arriving at a barbecue and trying to talk to her, and John arriving for a barbecue and trying to apologize to her...those things were considered aggressive verging on scary violence since they caused Bethy to run laps around her yard to get away from them. 

For Jules, that probably was yelling, though.  For Bethy, that would be considered barely above a loud whisper.

[anonymiss]

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I have a question, how many here think Jules "yelled/screamed" at Bethenny? Yes, she spoke her truth that Bethenny's jokes are almost always at someone else's expense but IMO, she didn't yell/scream it, she didn't raise her voice, she didn't get into B's face or gesture wildly at her using her hands/fingers either....So, I am not understanding why they claimed she "yelled/screamed" at her. LOL

Jules was agitated but speaking in a purposely controlled voice. She further brought it down to a conciliatory tone when B demanded her right to a monologue. Jules replied, "You're right. You're right" and "100%, as you should. I'm not trying to take that away from you." Then Bethenny barked, "Don't yell at me!"

She might actually be worse than Omarosa to me after all.

Edited July 14, 2016 by anonymiss

[ElDosEquis]

12 minutes ago, Rainny said:

Ha! Now I know why my 16 year old does that when I'm talking to him. I always wondered about that. I hate that. I won't tell him you ratted him out. 

Boy Code? Man Code? Morse Code?

[ElDosEquis]

42 minutes ago, snarts said:

I usually frown on the stupidity that passes for 'social' media......I have to say that as pointed and mean Diane's tweet is?

I wholeheartedly agree.

[Midnight Cheese]

4 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Does Carole watch the show? Has she not seen herself/Bethenny along with some of the others talk about Jules behind her back? Yes, Dorinda has been carrying tales between the HWs, as has Ramona but only Dorinda gets called out for doing it? http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/carole-radziwill/carole-radziwill-if-you-cant

Then there is this from her blog "So apparently all it takes for Jules to scream like a toddler is a little second hand “she said/she said” gossip. Boo-hoo."! Wasn't it second hand gossip that Bethenny used in her attack on Luann with? LOL Talk about denial! LOL

She is really angry and I suspect she got an earful at the reunion.

Carole is a garbage person, a vile piece of trash living only on that day falling between next Monday and Wednesday.   She is utterly mean and I feel in my bones she is envious not necessarily of Jules' weight, but of her being the most attention-pulling in this crew for her thinness.   She is hateful, spiteful and cruel and has been snide to Jules from the start.  It's awful to see.  And there are several reasons that Carole could trigger more contempt than Methenny - Carole isn't as feral and clings to the idea that she's a nice, concerned, observant Margaret Mead type instead of a putty-faced unkind materialistic cunning twuntmonster.  The retconning in her blogs shows it.   She can't just come straight.  There was nothing human even in her sotto voce cuntitude during that dinner.  

Beth celebrates skinny on a professional level but Jules triggers her?  Worthless liar.  Beneath contempt.   She is beneath contempt and will be wretched til she croaks.

I didn't catch this before but Carole and B both work the same side of basic bitch boulevard - as cowards they can only argue with an audience and one at a time.  So Carole wars with Aviva and makes up with Lu, and wars wih Jules and finally accepts the tenth apology Lu has given.   Jules dared tell B about herself with deadly fucking accuracy - time for the B to strategically forgive Sonja!  Pathetic.

Edited July 14, 2016 by Midnight Cheese

[ScoobieDoobs]

Oh man, this thread is giving me more laughs than Bethenny has all this season.  Oh yeah, I forgot her sense of humor revolves around laughter.  OK, so where the fuck were the laughs this season from you, Bethenny?  Few & far between, I'd say.  

Oh, so I'm supposed to laugh at her mocking a woman for having eating disorders?  What's next, Bethenny?  Gonna stand in front of hospices & make fun of dying people?  How about mocking children with cancer too?  Go join in with her, lap dog Carole!  Hey, Carole, it was your choice to allign yourself with this evil monster.  Hope you enjoy any & all fallout you justifiably get from your kinship with the Bethenny monster.