S03.E18: 2016 Republican National Convention

[Athena]

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Main segment: 2016 Republican National Convention
Segments: 2016 Democratic vice presidential selection, Boris Johnson being named as UK Foreign Secretary, campaign songs

 

[peeayebee]

I hope John covers Trump's and his campaign leaders' connections with Russia. It is so important for people to know.

[Totale]

That ending song would have been more fun if I had more of a clue who the performers were.  I recognized Cyndi Lauper and Heart, the others were a mystery to me.

[Dewey Decimate]

The entire election situation is mind-numbingly depressing, but the whole facts = opinion segment left me choking back tears of shock and hopelessness. Thanks to John for using the transitive property, though, which warmed this tutor's heart.

Usher has a fantastic voice.

[biakbiak]

Josh Groban, Michael Bolton, John Mellencamp, Dan Reynolds the lead singrr of Invisible Dragons, Sheryl Crow, Usher, Cindy Lauper and Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart were the people in the clip.

Edited July 25, 2016 by biakbiak

[peeayebee]

I heard that the convention center in Cleveland has the rights to a shitload of songs, probably including the ones that the RNC used, so no permission or fee was needed for that.

The interview with Newt was incredible. Feelings are just as good as facts? Right.

I liked all the crazy pics of Boris Johnson they used. Johnson's response after being confronted with a few of his past quotes was a dazzling display of footwork, like tap dancing on shit.

[Irlandesa]

I knew the facts vs. feelings thing has been around a long time.  That's largely the news game now.  30% facts, 70% making you feel.  That segment should be the talk of tomorrow but it's going to be that song at the end.  Gosh that was catchy.

[Dewey Decimate]

32 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

I knew the facts vs. feelings thing has been around a long time.  That's largely the news game now.  30% facts, 70% making you feel.

Oh, absolutely. Hell, even The Simpsons nailed it years ago with Bart's Corner on Kidz News. Seeing that badass reporter just spell it out so incontrovertibly in Gingrich's face as to a brick wall, though, was nauseating. Leaves me feeling rather rooting for a plague. (Agent Smith's speech to Morpheus comes to mind.)

[dcalley]

Why Queen & George Harrison’s Estate Probably Can’t Sue Over Having Their Songs Played At RNC

[pivot]

2 hours ago, peeayebee said:

I heard that the convention center in Cleveland has the rights to a shitload of songs, probably including the ones that the RNC used, so no permission or fee was needed for that.

The interview with Newt was incredible. Feelings are just as good as facts? Right.

I liked all the crazy pics of Boris Johnson they used. Johnson's response after being confronted with a few of his past quotes was a dazzling display of footwork, like tap dancing on shit.

I was dying at Kerry just looking down and scribbling notes frantically trying not to notice the questions. 

 

I really like this show though I think John takes it way too easy on Hillary when there is more than enough material to show how awful she is.

[DrScottie]

1 hour ago, pivot said:

I really like this show though I think John takes it way too easy on Hillary when there is more than enough material to show how awful she is.

There's been some much to talk about with Trump, he's barely even focused on her. We'll see how his coverage of the Democratic convention goes. He should have more to say about her then. 

[Jamoche]

3 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Invisible Dragons

Imagine Dragons

[biakbiak]

35 minutes ago, Jamoche said:

Imagine Dragons

Sorry for the typo.

[TVcritic]

Yeah, it's all about feelings. The GOP has become the drama queen party. They pick and choose what they like just like what they are doing concerning the bible. Global Warming? Hey, I built a snowman yesterday ...! They make 'facts' up as they go.

Time for the grown ups to take over presidency and Congress! And this time grow a pair and stick to your agenda!

For further information about Trumpolini:

http://kalw.org/post/your-call-donald-trump-reality-check

I hope the DNC uses David Cay Johnston and Tony Schwartz to their advantage.

Other than that: I'm still p*ssed off about John Oliver not having additional special reports from the RNC last week.

EDIT: Oh, and regarding campaign songs, he could have mentioned Nessun Dorma:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pavarotti-widow-tells-trump-stop-using-nessun-dorma-campaign-n614721

Edited July 25, 2016 by TVcritic

[snowwhyte]

I feel really angry with the facts vs feelings argument.Violent crime is down but people don't feel any safer and that's all that matters to the Republicans. They and fox news are ignoring the facts to push a fear-fuelled agenda that makes people feel scared in order to get votes. It's happening all over the world and it's really worrying. There are security issues that need to be addressed but the relentless fear-mongering creates an electorate that is reactionary and scared rather than reasoned and thoughtful and scared people make bad choices. 

[Totale]

7 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Josh Groban, Michael Bolton, John Mellencamp, Dan Reynolds the lead singrr of Invisible Dragons, Sheryl Crow, Usher, Cindy Lauper and Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart were the people in the clip.

Well, thanks.  What a drag it is getting old.  I remember Johnny Cougar well enough, but I wouldn't know most of these if I tripped over them in a gutter and I'll take it on faith that they've written songs anthemic enough for a pol to want to use.

[purist]

7 hours ago, peeayebee said:

I liked all the crazy pics of Boris Johnson they used.

Me too. And there are SO MANY to choose from!

I thought this was a brilliant episode. The analysis of the RNC and the feelings vs facts bits were just so well done. And of course the song at the end was great, too. Welcome back, show!

[snowwhyte]

i was trying to think what Usher songs might have been used by politicians, "U-turn" "Confessions" "Burn" "u Got it Bad." Usher songs seemed surprisingly relevant to politics.

[attica]

A friend of mine and I were discussing the RNC usage of "We are the Champions" the other day. Freddie Mercury was a Parsi immigrant to Britain. Whose family were Zoroastrians (even scarier than Muslim, because the name starts with 'Z'!). Certainly not a creature who would be welcome at the convention in person. But it's ok to use/steal his art. In fact, it's probably a requirement! Wouldn't want to get a reputation for treating people fairly!

That tweet from the Dropkick Murphys was awesome.

Edited July 25, 2016 by attica

[Primetimer]

And a sideburn for Spotify!

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[atomationage]

11 hours ago, peeayebee said:

Feelings are just as good as facts? Right.

Sounds like truthiness?  I just don't like it when people compare HRC with Drumpf.  They're not comparable.  Drumpf has fans, "the poorly educated".  Hillary has supporters.  

[cattykit]

3 hours ago, Totale said:

Well, thanks.  What a drag it is getting old.  I remember Johnny Cougar well enough, but I wouldn't know most of these if I tripped over them in a gutter and I'll take it on faith that they've written songs anthemic enough for a pol to want to use.

Not know Heart?  Oh, the humanity!

Notice that LWT carefully included the "appears courtesy of" in their credits.

[Kromm]

  11 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Josh Groban, Michael Bolton, John Mellencamp, Dan Reynolds the lead singrr of Invisible Dragons, Sheryl Crow, Usher, Cindy Lauper and Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart were the people in the clip.

Well, thanks.  What a drag it is getting old.  I remember Johnny Cougar well enough, but I wouldn't know most of these if I tripped over them in a gutter and I'll take it on faith that they've written songs anthemic enough for a pol to want to use.

Well most of THESE people have gotten old too--so its not just you. Some of them look a bit different now than they used to.

[Jediknight]

Can we get "Don't Use Our Songs" on iTunes?  Because that was awesometacular.

[futurechemist]

I think John Oliver missed the mark on this one.  For lack of a better term, it's Stephen Colbert's "truthiness".  Yes, the economy has improved over Obama's 8 years.  But if you're having trouble finding a job, or haven't gotten many raises, or know others in that situation, it won't feel to them like the economy has improved.  So which do you go with, your gut, or dry numbers?  Same for any other issues - crime, terrorism, immigration.

Case in point, my husband has had trouble finding a full time job in his field for the last several years.  I have one, so we're okay financially, but sometimes it's a struggle.  On the other hand, I have noticed that most of the restaurants and supermarkets and shops around the area do have help wanted signs out, which does seem to imply that our city is doing well overall.  Data says that our city's unemployment rate is 3.3%, compared to national average of 4.9%.  So which wins - hard data, or our anecdotal experiences?  Despite knowing that I should be checking facts, and being in a science field that is data-driven, I still have to fight my gut instinct to say that things still suck.

It'd be nice if everyone were logical Vulcans, but people are more emotional than that.  And people seem to respond more to being scared than being praised.  The Republican party has done a pretty good job of exploiting that.

Edited July 25, 2016 by futurechemist

[iMonrey]

The combination of Bill Maher, Samantha Bee and John Oliver have thoroughly scared the shit out of me all week long.

RE "facts vs. feelings" it seems like an obvious part of the problem is 24/7 cable news. When violent crime was more prevalent, we didn't have round-the clock coverage of it. Back when we only had three TV stations and a half hour of news a day you just weren't as exposed to it. When you have to be on the air constantly you need content to fill the time. I'm sure there's an insidious contingency of the Republican party who use fear tactics deliberately, but at the same time there are people who are genuinely under the impression violent crime has risen, simply because they seem to see it all the time, whenever they turn on the TV or look at the internet.

That said, it's truly frightening to see someone confronted with hard facts, compiled by no less than our own FBI, and remain steadfastly in denial of them.

[attica]

34 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

it seems like an obvious part of the problem is 24/7 cable news.

This was an explicit theme of 2014's Nightcrawler, the Jake Gyllenhaal movie. The local news station's boss had an insatiable desire for crime-related footage of "preferably affluent, preferably white" victims, directly in spite of declining crime rates in LA. Because people who feel unsafe watch more news, and affluent whites are a more desirable demo for advertisers.

Nancy Grace, To Catch a Predator, Dateline, 48-Hours, all of Fox News, and the life-in-prison programming on MSNBC are real time experiments testing that hypothesis. That Newt wanted to exploit that fear rather than reassure/assuage says what you need to know about Newt.

[Jamoche]

I've also read that the reason parents are so much more paranoid about child abduction isn't that the levels are rising, it's that they get more coverage - used to be, if a kid disappeared in $SmallTown, only the $SmallTown news covered it. Now it's on CNN (especially if female and blonde).

Same thing probably applies to other crimes.

[tenativelyyours]

Did I like the don't steel our song video?  It was okay.  It was well written and well sung and made a nice point.  But I was really underwhelmed that after three weeks and the RNC convention, it was taking up my time.  It would have been nicer to slap it on a show after the DNC convention got done.  Because I felt that some of the huge outrage at the DNC fails to take into account that it is a private organization and that politicla parties are not some officially mandated entity held to the same account as the actual election process. 

 

Don't get me wrong.  I think the whole system has so much wrong with it and having private parties determine all the many fucked up ways we do primaries etc is a big part of it.  But I think it should been looked a bit more in general if they are vetting the leaks to present a bigger story with details next week or the week after.  But the song seemed like filler.  And after what looks like almost three possible weeks of simply being on vacation, that is not what I wanted.  Just me I guess.

I think the response to Sabato is that 'okay I'll respect your belief based on feeling.   Problem is though my belief based on feeling is that you are a simpleton beyond belief who is too dumb to realize his appearance shows how desperate for attention he is and I doubt he can tie a shoe or cross the street on his own.  Respect my feeling you aging himbo.  It makes it true.

[attica]

I would like one interviewer, when confronted with a person who thinks Obama is Muslim, to pose the question: so fucking what? (well, I guess they could leave out the F bomb.) I mean, there's all this impulse to correct the factual record (and I get that, I do), but the deeper problem is the attitude that just being Muslim is a disqualifying thing. And that's just wrong. So fucking what if he's a Muslim! He passed health care and Lily Ledbetter! He's cute with kids! He's the coolest POTUS in history! He's better looking than you, Antonio!

[ganesh]

5 hours ago, atomationage said:

  I just don't like it when people compare HRC with Drumpf. They're not comparable.

I don't either. It's a false equivalency being generated from the deplorable media coverage imo. If one is arguing that Clinton is too hawkish and they don't think sending in troops or bombing out of hand is the solution to every problem, then ok, you're at least talking about foreign policy approaches. But they're both equally bad? No. Not at all. I don't care if that's how you feel. 

I get that if you feel you aren't doing well, then looking at economic indicators to the contrary doesn't help the argument. I would question whether most people are actually looking for *a* job though. Or, honestly, don't want to make the change required to get one. I know that's not the case with everyone.

3 hours ago, iMonrey said:

RE "facts vs. feelings" it seems like an obvious part of the problem is 24/7 cable news.

It totally is. And what it's created is this pundit class that just works the circuit from this show and that on each of the networks. They aren't journalists, they don't really care about doing the work to actually know something about something, and they're just promoting their brand. "Because a bitch got books to sell."

[mojoween]

I get so irritated when I hear the fucktards at the convention complain that part of the problem is that we are at war.  Um, who the fuck put us there?  Certainly wasn't my favorite prez Barry.

I purposely did not watch the convention and I certainly never watch FOX News so all of the sound bites from there made my blood boil.  

I did, however love the clip of Giuliani pointing to the bottom and saying "top" and vice versa.  I don't care if it's an honest mistake.  I hate his ass.

I loved the song but Bolton really looked like he was phoning it in.

[peeayebee]

3 hours ago, tenativelyyours said:

Did I like the don't steel our song video?  It was okay.  It was well written and well sung and made a nice point.  But I was really underwhelmed that after three weeks and the RNC convention, it was taking up my time.

ITA. I was underwhelmed. Maybe part of it was that all the singers were filmed separately. It just seemed disjointed and way too long.

[tenativelyyours]

2 hours ago, attica said:

I would like one interviewer, when confronted with a person who thinks Obama is Muslim, to pose the question: so fucking what? (well, I guess they could leave out the F bomb.) I mean, there's all this impulse to correct the factual record (and I get that, I do), but the deeper problem is the attitude that just being Muslim is a disqualifying thing. And that's just wrong. So fucking what if he's a Muslim! He passed health care and Lily Ledbetter! He's cute with kids! He's the coolest POTUS in history! He's better looking than you, Antonio!

 

My response to people like that on the Muslim issue when they volunteer being a Christian is 'oh great I'm talking to a crazy that gave us a man nailed to a cross, a bunny that hides eggs and a man who climbs down chimney and practices the most bizarre and most socialist children's outreach program ever.  

But yes a real reporter would have snapped back - what is wrong with being Muslim?  Or do you have 'Murica so much that you deny freedom of religion and all the reasons why it is a foundation of our nation's society?   Okay that last one was just to see the former underwear model wet himself and get a bloody nose at the same time. 

 

Better yet I want a reporter to ask if that person voted for Romney in 2012 with his magical underwear, golden tablets and baptizing the dead in Israel making Mormons out of them.  Because that was so swept under the carpet and still the Muslim bit is still going -- in fact it seems to be Drumpf's parallel point.  I was kind of hoping that one of the convention bits would cover how in many ways, despite the hatred directed at Clinton, Drumpf still seems almost as if he is running against President Obama.  All the vitriolic lies about the state of the nation are really aimed at him.  Other than Benghazi, what of the last two nights of the convention really had to do with her in terms of how Drumpf was going to make the nation better?  In an odd way, I think one of the reasons why Drumpf persisted this time at the start of the primaries is because he saw it as him beating President Obama.  Even if in his weird logic, to do so is by President Obama not showing up.   Because he can't.

[HawaiiTVGuy]

  5 hours ago, attica said:

I would like one interviewer, when confronted with a person who thinks Obama is Muslim, to pose the question: so fucking what? (well, I guess they could leave out the F bomb.) I mean, there's all this impulse to correct the factual record (and I get that, I do), but the deeper problem is the attitude that just being Muslim is a disqualifying thing. And that's just wrong. So fucking what if he's a Muslim! He passed health care and Lily Ledbetter! He's cute with kids! He's the coolest POTUS in history! He's better looking than you, Antonio!

 

My response to people like that on the Muslim issue when they volunteer being a Christian is 'oh great I'm talking to a crazy that gave us a man nailed to a cross, a bunny that hides eggs and a man who climbs down chimney and practices the most bizarre and most socialist children's outreach program ever.  

But yes a real reporter would have snapped back - what is wrong with being Muslim?  Or do you have 'Murica so much that you deny freedom of religion and all the reasons why it is a foundation of our nation's society?   Okay that last one was just to see the former underwear model wet himself and get a bloody nose at the same time. 

 

Better yet I want a reporter to ask if that person voted for Romney in 2012 with his magical underwear, golden tablets and baptizing the dead in Israel making Mormons out of them.  Because that was so swept under the carpet and still the Muslim bit is still going -- in fact it seems to be Drumpf's parallel point.  I was kind of hoping that one of the convention bits would cover how in many ways, despite the hatred directed at Clinton, Drumpf still seems almost as if he is running against President Obama.  All the vitriolic lies about the state of the nation are really aimed at him.  Other than Benghazi, what of the last two nights of the convention really had to do with her in terms of how Drumpf was going to make the nation better?  In an odd way, I think one of the reasons why Drumpf persisted this time at the start of the primaries is because he saw it as him beating President Obama.  Even if in his weird logic, to do so is by President Obama not showing up.   Because he can't.

I find it amusing for anyone who wants to claim that they find Obama's "lack of being Christian" so objectionable (ignoring the fact Obama is not running for office) considering if you consider the lifestyles of Trump and Obama, who would you think is living life more "Christian-like". I love how The Daily Show completely shut down the pastor that deigned to try to defend Trump's lifestyle as being "Christian". Whoever is in that pastor's congregation should be pissed at him and if he ever tries to have a sermon on morality, they should shout him down.

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, tenativelyyours said:

But yes a real reporter would have snapped back - what is wrong with being Muslim? 

I don't know if reporters should be snapping at the interview subject, but it's curious as to why (seemingly) the conversation ends when someone says they think Obama is muslim, and not the follow up questions that could be posed. Do they think the assertion is so stupid that no one could possibly believe it?

On the show, they had the clip of the woman from CNN arguing with Gingrich about crime statistics, but not the same approach with this.

[fastiller]

6 hours ago, attica said:

I would like one interviewer, when confronted with a person who thinks Obama is Muslim, to pose the question: so fucking what? (well, I guess they could leave out the F bomb.)

Colin Powell did that in '08. He said the right answer is 'Well no he isn't.  But the real right answer is so what if he were?'  Tomorrow when I'm on my PC I will see if I can find the video or transcript.

Edited July 26, 2016 by fastiller

[DrScottie]

2 hours ago, fastiller said:

Colin Powell did that in '08. He said the right answer is 'Well no he isn't.  But the real right answer is so what if he were?'  Tomorrow when I'm on my PC I will see if I can find the video or transcript.

This is what you are talking about. Well said, General. 

Edited July 26, 2016 by DrScottie

[TVcritic]

Come to think of it: remember that old woman during a McCain campaign who called Obama a Muslim? McCain told her "He's not a Muslim. He's a decent man."

Racism is still heavily engrained even in some of the supposedly 'moderate' Republicans.

Edited July 26, 2016 by TVcritic

[dusang]

Giuliani is officially twirling, twirling, twirling toward freedom.

[fastiller]

6 hours ago, DrScottie said:

This is what you are talking about. Well said, General. 

Well said indeed.  Thanks for doing the legwork there @DrScottie

2 hours ago, TVcritic said:

Come to think of it: remember that old woman during a McCain campaign who called Obama a Muslim? McCain told her "He's not a Muslim. He's a decent man."

Racism is still heavily engrained even in some of the supposedly 'moderate' Republicans.

Yes - it's as if having a black man in the White House has dialed up the racism even more.  As to the bolded part, it's almost as if it's an either or: Muslim -or- decent.  I know that wasn't the intent, but I remember that interaction too and coming away from it thinking it funny that way.

31 minutes ago, dusang said:

Giuliani is officially twirling, twirling, twirling toward freedom.

If he can figure out which way to go: dude doesn't know his top from his bottom.  

[Jersey Guy 87]

On 7/25/2016 at 0:03 AM, peeayebee said:

I heard that the convention center in Cleveland has the rights to a shitload of songs, probably including the ones that the RNC used, so no permission or fee was needed for that.

The interview with Newt was incredible. Feelings are just as good as facts? Right.

 

The songs are covered by fees the convention hall pays to ASCAP and BMI (as someone pointed out in an article linked above).  However, why someone would repeatedly use music the artist asked you not to use is beyond me.  Well, for anyone other than Trump (he simply feels getting his name in the press is important regardless of why it's there.  Queen is complaining I used "We are the  Champions?" - that's another few column inches with my name in it, I win).

My favorite line from Newt was something along the lines of "The Democrats have these statistics, and they may be correct, but..." - he acknowledges his feelings contradict the facts but he's sticking with his feelings.  And that's a major problem - you cannot have a rational discussion with someone who has not reached their position through rational means.  Violent crime is up because I feel like it's up - what's the comeback to that?

[iMonrey]

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I think the response to Sabato is that 'okay I'll respect your belief based on feeling.   Problem is though my belief based on feeling is that you are a simpleton beyond belief who is too dumb to realize his appearance shows how desperate for attention he is and I doubt he can tie a shoe or cross the street on his own.  Respect my feeling you aging himbo.  It makes it true.

(I know you're being facetious, but - ) I'm not inclined to respect a belief that's demonstrably untrue simply because "religion." What if Antonio Sabato Jr. had said "I feel that Obama is Chinese?" Would I have to respect that, simply because people have a right to their beliefs? Clearly Obama isn't Chinese. You can't just say "I feel something" and have it be valid. 

Maybe Sabato is angling for a job at Fox News. Because he's either a conniving opportunist, or an idiot. To credit him with being the former is generosity on my part. 

[ganesh]

This is another version of "I'm entitled to my opinion." No, you're not, really.

http://theconversation.com/no-youre-not-entitled-to-your-opinion-9978

[HawaiiTVGuy]

The more I think about the Trump and those who support Trump, it really makes me wonder how the supporters are in their own lives.  Not only does Trump come off as "un-presidential" he comes off as immature and a schoolyard bully with his insults and mocking of those with handicaps.  I seriously wonder if Trump supporters are the type that believe the victims of bullying "deserve it" and those who unfortunately feel the need to take their lives "deserved it" because seriously, look at who their "leader" is and how he acts.  

[trow125]

Instead of "You Can't Always Get What You Want," it would be have been cool if Trump had used a different Rolling Stones song at the close of his speech: "Sympathy for the Devil." (And a very happy birthday to Mick Jagger, who turns 73 today!)

The closing song did go on way too long, but it was very catchy. This is the guy who wrote it, by the way.

[didhugh]

I think the "don't steal our music" fit in pretty well with the "feelings over facts."  Take "Born in the USA" - yeah, the lyrics show that it is a song about a veteran coming home to a country that has failed to provide opportunities for him and implicitly failed to create a society worthy of his service.  But it has an upbeat tempo, is written in a major key, and has a catchy, superficially patriotic refrain - feelings.  And guess how must people remember that song?

Although I find using songs without the musicians permission to be mostly a non-issue for me, as long as they got paid for the licensing..  Good for a few laughs at the expense of candidates I despise such as Donald Trump, who can go fuck himself.  (I'd say he could go fuck himself long and hard, but his tiny hands probably make that impossible).  

[Victor the Crab]

Just when I thought Newt Gingrich couldn't be more loathsome, he says shit about how feelings are more important than facts when it comes to governing. If that were me in the journalist's chair, I would have called him and his ilk lying saboteurs right in his puffy face. Or taken a battle axe to it, whichever.

1 hour ago, trow125 said:

Instead of "You Can't Always Get What You Want," it would be have been cool if Trump had used a different Rolling Stones song at the close of his speech: "Sympathy for the Devil." (And a very happy birthday to Mick Jagger, who turns 73 today!)

I always thought those two songs best described how voter dissatisfaction with President Obama four years best described the former song, while Mitt Romney was the latter song. Of course, now you can replace them with Clinton and Drumph respectively and get the same results.

[Jediknight]

7 hours ago, didhugh said:

Although I find using songs without the musicians permission to be mostly a non-issue for me, as long as they got paid for the licensing..  Good for a few laughs at the expense of candidates I despise such as Donald Trump, who can go fuck himself.  (I'd say he could go fuck himself long and hard, but his tiny hands probably make that impossible).  

I don't agree on it being a non-issue, politicians using musician's songs could make it seem like that band or singer is endorsing the politician.  And that's not cool, as we know the surviving members of Queen already blasted Trump for using "We Are the Champions", and Dropkick Murphys literally hate Scott Walker.  Both of those being used by those guys is hilarious, because they're completely at opposite ends of the spectrum than the artists whose music they're using.  Of course maybe when some people think of Scott Walker, they think of an Irish punk band from Boston who are big supporters of unions.

And, you know if a politician's likeness is used without permission, they'll throw a fit.

Edited July 27, 2016 by Jediknight

[OneWhoLurks]

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The use of classic rock songs by campaigning politicians has been all over the news recently, with artists such as Queen, the Turtles and the Rolling Stones criticizing presidential candidate Donald Trump for using their music during last week’s Republican National Convention.

John Mellencamp and Heart even teamed up to record a satirical anthem called “Don’t Use Our Song” for John Oliver on his HBO show. So with the Democratic National Convention taking place this week, we decided to ask Trump supporter and noted conservative Ted Nugent for his thoughts on the intellectual property rights of his fellow artists, what song he’d like to hear when Trump takes the stage and what would happen (if hell froze over and) Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton strolled out for her acceptance speech to the strains of, say, his 1976 classic “Free for All.”

 

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What do you think of musicians such as Queen, Aerosmith and the Rolling Stones asking Donald Trump not to use their music? Should it be within a musician’s rights to dictate who can and can’t use their songs in that manner?
Ownership of intellectual property is sacred to those of us who create it, and no one has any right to it without our permission.

How Would Ted Nugent React If Hillary Clinton Used One of His Songs? We Asked Him
 

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The producer of the 1997 thriller Air Force One is demanding that Donald Trump stop using the film’s score at campaign events.

Producer Gail Katz on Monday told The Hollywood Reporter that Trump never asked the filmmakers for permission to use the score. She has written a letter to the Republican nominee’s campaign requesting that it stop playing the score at future events.

 

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Veteran film music agent Richard Kraft, who represented Goldsmith for 15 years prior to his death in 2004, says the composer would not be pleased with his music being appropriated by Trump.

“From everything I know about Jerry Goldsmith's political views, he would have been extremely unhappy with Trump co-opting his art to sell his image,” Kraft tells THR. “Goldsmith composed music to underscore a make-believe, heroic president in [Air Force One], not to help create a phony soundtrack for Trump. He would have been appalled to have his music selling a product he would greatly dislike."

 

Donald Trump Asked to Stop Using 'Air Force One' Music for Campaign (Exclusive)

Edited July 27, 2016 by OneWhoLurks