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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

Spencer Hastings
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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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12 minutes ago, Zella said:

Between that and them talking about living in The Big House, I find it psychologically fascinating how much the family unwittingly evokes prison to describe their day-to-day existence. 

I don't think it's unwitting.  Their theology supports the idea of the earth being a prison where they are doing life until Jesus grants them their parole in death.  

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Zella

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7 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I don't think it's unwitting.  Their theology supports the idea of the earth being a prison where they are doing life until Jesus grants them their parole in death.  

I get that, but when they're gushing about doing time with their spouse, I think they think they're being flattering. I don't think they're consciously making a theological statement. 

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Ohiopirate02

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48 minutes ago, Zella said:

I get that, but when they're gushing about doing time with their spouse, I think they think they're being flattering. I don't think they're consciously making a theological statement. 

I agree that they are not consciously making a theological statement here, none of the Duggars nor Jeremy is introspective enough to connect the dots.  

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JessDVD

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Doing life together is a Christian-ese phrase that's come into vogue in the last maybe 5-6 years. Sort of like "love on". The sentiment is meant to communicate sharing the highs and lows of life with someone else - can be spouse or friends. 

I've never been a huge fan of that phrase (or any Christian-ese phrase, I don't like love on either and I really really hate love offering) but the comparisons here to doing life in a prison have permanently ruined it for me. 🤣🤣

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andromeda331

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10 hours ago, JessDVD said:

Doing life together is a Christian-ese phrase that's come into vogue in the last maybe 5-6 years. Sort of like "love on". The sentiment is meant to communicate sharing the highs and lows of life with someone else - can be spouse or friends. 

I've never been a huge fan of that phrase (or any Christian-ese phrase, I don't like love on either and I really really hate love offering) but the comparisons here to doing life in a prison have permanently ruined it for me. 🤣🤣

I don't either. As others have said it just sounds like their life is a prison. Not a happy sentiment. I agree with "love on" too. There's a St. Judes commercial has a mother talking about how the hospital gave them more time to love on their daughter. It just sounds weird. What does "love on" mean? Why not say I love my daughter or grateful the hospital gave them more time with their daughter?

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50 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

I don't either. As others have said it just sounds like their life is a prison. Not a happy sentiment. I agree with "love on" too. There's a St. Judes commercial has a mother talking about how the hospital gave them more time to love on their daughter. It just sounds weird. What does "love on" mean? Why not say I love my daughter or grateful the hospital gave them more time with their daughter?

I just heard that commercial for the first time this week, which was the first time I've heard "love on" outside of Christian circles. I think it's supposed to communicate more "show love by caring for the physical needs of the person", or in the case of the St Judes commercial, something like "devote my full attention to" than "love" on its own does, but it evokes a lot of mental pictures (for me anyway) that I do NOT think were intended by whatever person came up with the phrase.

Love offering can DIAF. For awhile, I was writing the announcements script at my church for people to read to record videos, and every time the office manager would put that phrase in there if we had a missionary in or someone who deserved a special offering, I would edit it to be just "an offering will be taken". I saw a video once where people were told Christian-ese phrases and asked what they think they mean, and everyone said "sex" for "love offering" so I will never, ever be able to say, hear, or read that phrase again.

Anyway, back to the Duggalos - whether they are doing life or doing a life sentence together (I mean, sometimes marriage is a bit of column A, a bit of column B, let's be honest), despite their flaws, they seem to me like a generally happily married couple and when so many of these couples seem unhappy even despite their carefully curating their posts, I'll call that a good thing.

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Jynnan tonnix

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On 12/30/2023 at 6:32 PM, JessDVD said:

I just heard that commercial for the first time this week, which was the first time I've heard "love on" outside of Christian circles. I think it's supposed to communicate more "show love by caring for the physical needs of the person", or in the case of the St Judes commercial, something like "devote my full attention to" than "love" on its own does, but it evokes a lot of mental pictures (for me anyway) that I do NOT think were intended by whatever person came up with the phrase.

Love offering can DIAF. For awhile, I was writing the announcements script at my church for people to read to record videos, and every time the office manager would put that phrase in there if we had a missionary in or someone who deserved a special offering, I would edit it to be just "an offering will be taken". I saw a video once where people were told Christian-ese phrases and asked what they think they mean, and everyone said "sex" for "love offering" so I will never, ever be able to say, hear, or read that phrase again.

Anyway, back to the Duggalos - whether they are doing life or doing a life sentence together (I mean, sometimes marriage is a bit of column A, a bit of column B, let's be honest), despite their flaws, they seem to me like a generally happily married couple and when so many of these couples seem unhappy even despite their carefully curating their posts, I'll call that a good thing.

I know what you mean about "love on". That one has always sounded vaguely creepy to me. I guess it's just supposed to imply showing affection, whether physical otherwise, but it always sounds so overwhelmingly touchy-feely.

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On 12/31/2023 at 6:44 PM, Jynnan tonnix said:

I know what you mean about "love on". That one has always sounded vaguely creepy to me. I guess it's just supposed to imply showing affection, whether physical otherwise, but it always sounds so overwhelmingly touchy-feely.

May I also add the phrase "in-love" rather than in-law?

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Meow Mix

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I still wonder how he gets holiday time off all the time.  He supposedly was a pastor in Laredo, but every Christmas he was with his family in PA.  Then once he glommed onto Jinger, he was off with the Duggars constantly.  Not sure how often he was actually at his church.  I've known several pastors and unless you have a large enough church where you and an associate can switch off, going out of town for Christmas doesn't happen.

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Salacious Kitty

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17 minutes ago, Meow Mix said:

I still wonder how he gets holiday time off all the time.  He supposedly was a pastor in Laredo, but every Christmas he was with his family in PA.  Then once he glommed onto Jinger, he was off with the Duggars constantly.  Not sure how often he was actually at his church.  I've known several pastors and unless you have a large enough church where you and an associate can switch off, going out of town for Christmas doesn't happen.

He's in school right now. He's not pastoring anywhere, other than his stupid Doctrine and Donuts. 

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Meow Mix

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4 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

He's in school right now. He's not pastoring anywhere, other than his stupid Doctrine and Donuts. 

I know, but when he was supposedly pastoring, he still spent the holidays away from his church.  I wonder if he is going to be a pastor once he gets done with school or if Daddy Mac will give him a job somewhere in his organization.

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Salacious Kitty

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1 minute ago, Meow Mix said:

I know, but when he was supposedly pastoring, he still spent the holidays away from his church.  I wonder if he is going to be a pastor once he gets done with school or if Daddy Mac will give him a job somewhere in his organization.

Oh okay, I didn't know if you knew he was in school now. But yeah, he took plenty of vacations when he was pastoring. We'll see if he becomes more dedicated once he gets that PhD. My guess is no. 

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Salacious Kitty

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4 minutes ago, floridamom said:

Why is Jeremy still in "school"? Isn't a Masters Program one year? I believe this guy is a professional student. I often wonder what exactly are they living off of financially? It costs a pretty penny to live in CA.

I think the Masters program was 2 years. He's now going for a PhD. No idea how many years their program is. 

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5 hours ago, floridamom said:

Salacious Kitty, your post may prove my point that Jeremy is a perpetual student and will never really "graduate" from any program and actually work for a living even as a pastor.

In fairness to him, he has graduated from two programs already - undergrad and a master's degree - and he's hardly the first or only person to go straight from an MA program to a doctorate. He also does seem to have some sort of job with this program, again pretty typical for doctoral students. And although he might very well follow this up with another doctorate, my sense is that the goal is not so much to be a perpetual student, but to be a perpetual Christian influencer/speaker person.  

He's already been able to pick up some paid speaking gigs. I think that once he finishes this doctoral program, he'll be able to pick up some sort of teaching position at a small Christian college somewhere, and use the whole "Hi, I'm a professor! With a doctorate! And I've been on TV! Look at my social media numbers! And my photos of hamburgers!" to get a few additional speaking gigs. Between that and Jinger doing occasional shilling for various companies and "writing books," I think these two will be financially fine. Maybe not able to buy all of the lovely watches and shoes Jeremy wants, but otherwise financially fine.

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1 hour ago, Snow Fairy said:

Hillary Spivy called on Jinger's christian healthcare ad. It looks like Hillary had a child with cancer and they don't cover the treatments.

No, Christian cost sharing "insurance" is notorious for not covering cancer and other serious illnesses. I heard Hilaria's rampage was posted on Pickles' FB, but I didn't see it. Ditto Hilaria's IG, which I assume was the original source. I guess it was a story that has expired. ETA Also checked Jinger's IG, in case Hilaria responded to Jinger shilling, but there wasn't a post like that.

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3 hours ago, floridamom said:

My opinion is that Jeremy may have graduated from those previous degreed programs because he had the next one to sign up for. Let's see when he runs out of programs what he will do. 

I completely agree with you that Jeremy does not appear to have much of a work ethic - or if he does, he's hiding it well. And I doubt he'll ever run out of programs, so, perpetual student is a possibility. I once met someone who had earned three PhDs (and the answer to the question all of you are asking is "family money") so....yeah, possible.

But, again, in all fairness, I just checked, and apparently he finished his undergrad degree in 2010, and then worked as a soccer player until 2015/2016, and then as a pastor until 2019 - even after starting his grad program in 2018. He only became a full time student/hamburger person in 2019 after he moved to Los Angeles, and even then, as per court documents, he seems to have picked up some sort of part time administrative job through his masters/doctoral program, which is pretty typical of grad students.

Based purely on his social media, to me he always seemed more interested in the bragging rights (look at me, I'm in grad school unlike the rest of those Duggar hicks!) and less into the academics/research. I may be misjudging him there, but I don't think so - most of his posts seem to be about hamburgers and golf and all the great people he's meeting through his program, not what he's learning through his program. And sure, maybe that's because he isn't learning anything, but it's also not giving me the impression that he's interested in learning anything. My guess is that had things gone differently, he would have ended his studies once he earned that MA and could wave it around, saying, see, I'm a serious Christian! And hamburger person! And writer!

But then, in November 2019, Josh's car lot was raided, and in April 2021, Josh was arrested, immediately cancelling the TV show and reducing the value of the Duggar brand. Given later reports that federal agents were investigating/interviewing multiple Duggars during 2020 and 2021, it's my guess that Jeremy (and Jinger) had some warning that this might be coming up, and Jeremy figured (or was told) that if/when Josh was arrested, he would now need more than the MA and the Duggar association to continue to get speaking engagements. 

Thus the doctorate, which may help him get speaking engagements. Not any actual interest in study: for all his irritating pseudointellectualism, he seems focused on the credentials, and not the actual learning. Which suggests to me that he won't be a perpetual student. A perpetual irritant, sure. 

We'll presumably find out in another couple of years - I don't think his doctoral program is supposed to last all that long.

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Jeremy Vuolo: Doctorate in Theology, Religious Studies, Doctrine/Pastries, Pastoral Stuff.

Professional Bougie Cheeseburger Taster, Exquisite Fountain Pen enthusiast, Collector of Unwieldy Large Textbooks.  Former Soccer Star, Still in Unbelievable Physical Shape.  Extravagant Sneaker Collector.  Professional Photographer, Skilled at Creative Hiding of Faces.  Semi-pro Golfer.  Voted Best-Dressed in 7th Grade.  

Seeking position of power in mega-church, part-time hours, limited weekends.  Will preach to congregations of 1,500+ only.  Church must pay for my next PhD, area of study undetermined.  Shoot me a text, Homie. Serious offers only.  

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Salacious Kitty

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5 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Si can see him doing a post-doc and a fellowship to prolong his unemployment. He doesn’t have the chops to lead a mega church or whatever it takes. 

Jinger's money won't last forever. He's going to have to find gainful employment at some point, probably fairly soon. 

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