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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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7 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Watched the reel. The big project reveal is tomorrow. Looks like apparel. 

Of course. 🙄

Well, I guess they need a new and different pursuit to fill up the newsletter. Whose working title should be "All the Stuff That's Fizzled (and Going to Fizzle)." 

Why does a megachurch outreach-staffer?/seminary lecturer/preacher want or need a side business in apparel, anyway? 

Who does that, unless it's somebody who's been designing clothes or graphics-for-clothes at home for years as a hobby to the acclaim of all their friends who beg to have stuff made for them? And that's certainly not these two. 

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Zella

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I still think a lot about what I always think of as the Ur picture of fashionable Jeremy. When they lived in Laredo, I don't remember him taking tons of pictures of what he ate or of clothing. Most of his clothes looked like what you'd expect from a former jock who had started preaching. I remember a lot of casual wear. 

But right before he moved, he posted some picture of him wearing something that looked like they were more befitting an old man than someone his age. I remember joking that maybe he was wearing it to impress MacArthur, but it does seem like something flipped in him when he knew he was headed for L.A. 

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4 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Well, I guess they need a new and different pursuit to fill up the newsletter. Whose working title should be "All the Stuff That's Fizzled (and Going to Fizzle)." 

Why does a megachurch outreach-staffer?/seminary lecturer/preacher want or need a side business in apparel, anyway? 

Who does that, unless it's somebody who's been designing clothes or graphics-for-clothes at home for years as a hobby to the acclaim of all their friends who beg to have stuff made for them? And that's certainly not these two. 

As someone who's never been interested in owning my own business or earning a living via internet fame, I'm truly fascinated by people like Jinger and Jeremy who seemingly will try absolutely anything to avoid getting a job. I'm not saying that as a jab at business owners; it's just that I figure owning a business (that's not inherited or something) evolves from having certain skill sets and/or a talent for something, and J/J clearly lack those qualities. They have some level of fame a good amount of followers they're trying to capitalize on, but those followers just came as part of the Duggar package and J/J don't know what to do with them because they didn't do anything to "earn" them. They keep trying random shit that has  the chance of broad appeal but they lack the charm, acting ability, and willingness to do the hard work of creating something from the ground up to pull it off, and they'll never wash off the fundie stink. Jeremy needs to go to school for something useful and call it a day. 

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Just now, iwantcookies said:

Didn’t they quit their clothing business/podcast very quickly? These 2 don’t want to put in the required effort to be successful.

This new product idea will be abandoned by Christmas.

Didn't they just sell those stupid baseball caps and candles? This seems to possibly involve tee shirts. 

And it will be abandoned long before Christmas. I give it about as long as there's still shine on the new book. 

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iwantcookies

I watched the video: no I am not signing up for the email letter. Haha. What interesting thing will they say? Which food Jeremy ate for free: fried chicken, taco, donuts, coffee?  Where he went golfing for free with very important people… Who he is sucking up to?

Jinger who is a dutiful wife: her beyond boring daily schedule… 
 

I mean these 2 are boringgg.

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1 hour ago, satrunrose said:

Who would want to wear a clothing item promoting a family who is now most famous for having a hypocrite father, a deviant felon brother, and horrible hateful beliefs? The "aren't we wholesome and delightful" ship that J and J are still trying to cruise on has thoroughly sailed. 

Fixed for you.

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On 7/4/2022 at 3:09 PM, satrunrose said:

I feel like JereMe made a deal with the devil but got distracted by Satan's rad kicks and didn't read the fine print. As a result, somewhere in an attic, there is a remarkably young and hot portrait of our Baaaaabe. Meanwhile, out in the real world...

Now there’s a good band name: Satan’s Rad Kicks.

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laurakaye

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My fave comment under the J&J promotional video: Good luck with your 110th attempt at becoming major influencers.

The video is hilarious - very bouncy, hand-held camera/reality/paparazzi type shots/Jeremy playing goalie/Jeremy catching a fish/Jinger designing her own Nikes/the back of one of their kids' heads.  Personally I wouldn't have any idea what this new project is supposed to be, based on that video.  But ooh, the intrigue!  Here, Jer - take my money! 

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Tikichick

Tikichick

9 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

To be fair, its not Jinger's fault her brother is a criminal, nor is she responsible for her father's behaviors. With that said, J & J do have a history of poor follow through.

I do feel bad for the siblings that they effectively wear a scarlet letter when it comes to the media associating them with the eldest.   On that front every one of them should be free to go out and live their lives unencumbered with his crimes.   

As far as J & J, well really mostly Jeremy ...      Squirrel!

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2 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

It looks like their "project" is a YouTube channel. I can't watch these self-indulgent twatwaffles preen around for a camera. 

I think it's a very good thing that they're keeping their daughters off social media, but that means that any vlogging attempt will be dead in the water. They're not funny, interesting, or clever; neither of them are knowledgeable in any topic people would be interested in; they don't want to publicly embrace the hateful Christian stereotype that might gain them a following in particular circles. All they got is generic family blogging, and since they won't show the kids, all people are getting is them. And...go back to my 2nd sentence.

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satrunrose

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15 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

To be fair, its not Jinger's fault her brother is a criminal, nor is she responsible for her father's behaviors. With that said, J & J do have a history of poor follow through.

Oh, I didn't mean to suggest that it's Jinger's fault at all! I just wanted to point out that if they were selling clothing, most people probably won't be interested in wearing obviously Duggar-branded items for a while, if ever. Now that we know it's a youtube channel, my point is kind of moot and I'll switch to fretting about another media platform for Jeremy's hateful views and why anyone would watch when they're so very boring (I know, I know, never stopped the Kardashans). 

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4 minutes ago, satrunrose said:

Oh, I didn't mean to suggest that it's Jinger's fault at all! I just wanted to point out that if they were selling clothing, most people probably won't be interested in wearing obviously Duggar-branded items for a while, if ever. Now that we know it's a youtube channel, my point is kind of moot and I'll switch to fretting about another media platform for Jeremy's hateful views and why anyone would watch when they're so very boring (I know, I know, never stopped the Kardashans). 

The Kardashians are trash, but at least they don’t want to take rights away from women, LGBT, and POC, AFAIK. I won’t watch any of their videos, click on their SM posts, or anything else, but contributing to these hateful fundies’ bank accounts (and that’s what watching their YouTube videos IS doing) is far worse to me. 

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GeeGolly

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59 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

The Kardashians are trash, but at least they don’t want to take rights away from women, LGBT, and POC, AFAIK. I won’t watch any of their videos, click on their SM posts, or anything else, but contributing to these hateful fundies’ bank accounts (and that’s what watching their YouTube videos IS doing) is far worse to me. 

Agree, but one could argue what the Kardashians put out is very harmful to women overall.

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coconspirator

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It's a Bates style YouTube vlog which, depending on views, could be kind of lucrative to them the way it is for the Bates kids on their various channels. Unlike the other Duggar kids who have YT channels, Jinger and Jeremy did a video style intro set to music that will probably air with each new vlog. 

As far as the content, I do feel like Felicity and Evy will have a fairly mainstream life with opportunity for a good education (probably private Christian school) and social/athetic endeavors. Jeremy is a standard issue male chauvanist when it comes to women being pastors or leaders in church, but bringing his kids to a women's professional soccer game suggests the girls won't be denied the chance to play youth sports if they want to do so, and Jeremy will be fully supportive.  Going to a concert suggests they will get to listen to music beyond classical or christian hymns/music.  So those kids are already better off than Jessa's kids, Joe's kids, or Joy's kids could ever hope to be. 

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Churchhoney

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7 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

It looks like their "project" is a YouTube channel. I can't watch these self-indulgent twatwaffles preen around for a camera. 

So....I'm guessing this would replace the youtube channel they already have....The one where they hold hope?  And now they'll try to youtube more like Jill and Jessa? Can't say I hold much hope for that. 

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Churchhoney

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2 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

They put the video up around midnight west coast time, and it has 15k views. They already have 13k subs. Nothing like Jessa's, but it might gain some momentum. I mean, Jessa's videos are crap, but she constantly gets over 100k views. 

Yeah, they'll definitely get followers. I guess this whole scramble they do with different "projects" always comes down to the same thing -- We have a TON of followers, compared to just about anybody else. How can we MONETIZE them? In the most passive-income way possible! 

These two ahve already found out that stores aren't passive income. You have to pack shit up and send it to the people who bought it. And if you don't, those people get pissed. Youtube's easier if you have low standards (as all the Duggars do). Just point the camera at yourself and blather or act the fool. And post it. They all love performing for the camera (even though they aren't a tv family). So here you've got REAL passive income. 

So I'm sure they'll make some money. But the followers who follow and make that passive money for them are certainly going to dwindle with time. 

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Churchhoney

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11 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

That was a podcast, wasn't it? Another long-abandoned "project." 🙄

It was. But the podcast had an affiliated youtube channel with the podcasts posted. 

Like this one --   (Jer, I don't think saying that your town is overrun by satanic Catholics constitutes "being kind like Christ," Not to mention a bunch of other things you've said (and preached and co-signed).)

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GeeGolly

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Josie and Carlin Bates are likely making over $100,000 yearly through YT and influencing. I'm sure some of that is passive income, but the rest likely adds up to at least 20 hours a week of work. Like every week. I get that Jinger likely has little to no work ethic, but Jeremy was an athlete, so I don't get his shiny things syndrome. 

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Salacious Kitty

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23 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

It was. But the podcast had an affiliated youtube channel with the podcasts posted. 

Like this one --   (Jer, I don't think saying that your town is overrun by satanic Catholics constitutes "being kind like Christ," Not to mention a bunch of other things you've said (and preached and co-signed).)

Okay, Jer's been posting crap on the channel recently, but it wasn't getting a lot of views. Before that, the channel sat dormant for a year. This is their vlog launch. I just wonder at the angle since it can't be a family thing. We already see them eating and buying shoes on Instagram. 

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1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

 I get that Jinger likely has little to no work ethic, but Jeremy was an athlete, so I don't get his shiny things syndrome. 

My background is mostly with student athletes not semi-pros, but my experience has been that they can have a ton of hustle, but they need a fairly strict (often external) set of parameters and expectations. If you give them something vague (be an influencer! recruit  the millennials/gen z to our church!) they can get a little lost (and easily frustrated), especially if there's no obvious or immediate win. If Jinger had an education, or work ethic, or was allowed to boss her headship, they might be more successful, but, not unlike Jessa and Ben, I think they magnify each others' weaknesses.

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3 hours ago, coconspirator said:

Going to a concert suggests they will get to listen to music beyond classical or christian hymns/music.  So those kids are already better off than Jessa's kids, Joe's kids, or Joy's kids could ever hope to be. 

Joy puts secular music on her Instagram now and then for some of her videos.

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The you tube video was awful. I think. After trying to hang in there a couple of minutes, I ended up skipping around. I don't understand why they haven't been able to capitalize more on their fanbase. Do they have a manager? There doesn't seem to be any business sense to back up their ambitions.

The book was about the only thing they've done that wasn't laughable, though I don't know how much money it put in their pockets. I think the problem with them is that they always seem fake and/or inhibited. Their audience is on a perpetual first date with them awkwardly trying to show off their best selves. As long as they refuse to talk about anything of substance or show their kids*, these ventures will never get far enough off the ground to get them the STAR money they desire.

*I'm not saying it's not a good thing they don't show the kids, just that they would be better off financially with their chosen "career" path if they did.

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Cinnabon

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22 minutes ago, canaanite2 said:

The you tube video was awful. I think. After trying to hang in there a couple of minutes, I ended up skipping around. I don't understand why they haven't been able to capitalize more on their fanbase. Do they have a manager? There doesn't seem to be any business sense to back up their ambitions.

The book was about the only thing they've done that wasn't laughable, though I don't know how much money it put in their pockets. I think the problem with them is that they always seem fake and/or inhibited. Their audience is on a perpetual first date with them awkwardly trying to show off their best selves. As long as they refuse to talk about anything of substance or show their kids*, these ventures will never get far enough off the ground to get them the STAR money they desire.

*I'm not saying it's not a good thing they don't show the kids, just that they would be better off financially with their chosen "career" path if they did.

I think most of their followers on SM are Duggar leg humpers who only want to see their young kids exploited (even though they would never admit that’s what they’re ultimately doing). And right now the Duggar name isn’t very popular with most people    other than the most devoted sycophants. And Jinger doesn’t seem to stand for anything at all at the moment. She comes across as simply a bot to me. OfJeremy with no thoughts or opinions of her own.

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Churchhoney

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7 hours ago, canaanite2 said:

The you tube video was awful. I think. After trying to hang in there a couple of minutes, I ended up skipping around. I don't understand why they haven't been able to capitalize more on their fanbase. Do they have a manager? There doesn't seem to be any business sense to back up their ambitions.

The book was about the only thing they've done that wasn't laughable, though I don't know how much money it put in their pockets. I think the problem with them is that they always seem fake and/or inhibited. Their audience is on a perpetual first date with them awkwardly trying to show off their best selves. As long as they refuse to talk about anything of substance or show their kids*, these ventures will never get far enough off the ground to get them the STAR money they desire.

*I'm not saying it's not a good thing they don't show the kids, just that they would be better off financially with their chosen "career" path if they did.

They've had the same business manager/agent? for a long time that I think they still have. But he/she has never been very good. That's the person who seems to have kept "helping" them hook up with businesses that were completely unsuitable for them. Time after time. With predictable results.

Briefly, when things with the show were still going well, they had a really big-time manager because they'd signed with a really major agency -- I want to say it was CAA, but I'm not completely sure I'm remembering that right.....Some really major agency, at any rate.

The agent they had there is the one who got them the multiple (well, two, at least....) book deal. I doubt they would have gotten the deal with such a significant publisher without him. But after the show went off the air, they seem either to have left -- or have been dropped by -- that agency. 

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GeeGolly

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41 minutes ago, CherryBelly said:

In the civil case against the Police releasing the Josh Police report, Jinger and Jeremy said Jinger was earning 100-200k a year on SM and with marketing partnerships. 

Yea, no one can figure that out, because Jinger barely shills anything and she hasn't seemed to shill anything like a subscription which would bring in passive income. Some are guessing maybe she was including books sales.

If she's making $100,000+ basically doing nothing - sign me up and I'll quit my day job.

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13 minutes ago, CherryBelly said:

I think people really underestimate how much can be made on SM. Not just the Duggars but in general. I used to think 'not a real job' but having done a bit of research I've adjusted my position and think it's a job, just a more modern version than I'm used to. 

I totally agree, but I think one has to put in the work. I'm sure Josie and Carlin Bates make a shit ton of money influencing and in Carlin's case, also YTing. Jinger's IG over the past years and the year in question in particular, was very lean in shilling anything. 

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Churchhoney

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1 hour ago, CherryBelly said:

I think people really underestimate how much can be made on SM. Not just the Duggars but in general. I used to think 'not a real job' but having done a bit of research I've adjusted my position and think it's a job, just a more modern version than I'm used to. 

I thnk what I -- we -- tend to overestimate is the effect that just your sheer numbers of followers can have on your earnings.....Although I think that for people who don't do much with it, it's more like numbers having a big effect on your earnings temporarily. 

Hardly anybody has followers numbering in the hundreds of thousands. And even fewer people have over a million, the way Jingle does.

But if you do, then it seems companies will give you big bucks when they start working with you, just because your follower numbers mean it's possible they'll get a lot of exposure and sales from your followers. But if they don't see much return on what they're paying you, they probably won't go on paying you big bucks for multiple yars......

And something we don't know about the Vs is how far over 100,000 their earnings were that one year. It sounds like earnings "between 100,000 and 200,000" was a category they could pick from. So if you made $100,000.27, you're in that category.

And I may be dead wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure she was talking about total income for a year -- and saying that social media was the biggest single source making up that income, not the only source of that income. 

And we also don't know whether they could or did sustain that for multiple years, especially after they were off tv and their two book advances. were history...

.In future years, those two income sources were gone. And in future years, your social-media income might rise -- or dip considerably -- if the big income were an initial payment but investing big in you didn't pay off for a corporate partner.....

With their multiple income streams, there are plenty of reasons to imagine that their income hasn't been steady from year to year, seems to me. 

So I do think that social media pays more than you think for little to no effort on your part -- if you have over a million followers or even in the mid to high hundred thousands, like Jer.

But just because social media was the single biggest source of that stated one-year income, that doesn't mean that it provided the whole income. And it wouldn't have, given the year that it probably covered. They had tv and book income that year, too. Plus whatever Jer earns from his church job, and for the conferences and such as which he's been an invited speaker. I'm pretty sure a perk of Jer's being MacArthur's little darling is that he gets those multiple speaking gigs -- and gets some pay for them. 

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GeeGolly

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With front end contracts, an influencer still has to fulfill their obligation. I'm thinking anything like that would involve more than a one time shill and that's where the Vuolos seem to struggle - their stick-to-itiveness is not very sticky.

Jing seems to have between 20,000 - 60,000 active followers out of the million that follow her. She, or they, could live very comfortably and then some, if they really made a go at influencing. Or course they would have to overcome having their sponsors contacted due to their beliefs.

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