anna0852 September 11, 2018 Share September 11, 2018 I'd put Danai up there with Letitia for Supporting Actress 3 Link to comment
DeeDee79 September 15, 2018 Share September 15, 2018 On 7/31/2018 at 2:31 AM, scrb said: I don't think there's anything noble about him. He has a point that Black Panther's father abandoned him in Oakland, instead of taking him back to Wakanda. It's one thing to grow up from that trauma, finding his dead father's body, having a chip on his shoulder. But grown up, Killmonger killed without a second thought and made a fetish out of all his kills with the markings on his body. OK this is a comic book world but that number of kills, even some of it from military service, are indicators of a psychopath. The fetishization of the kills suggest he relished them. One of his first acts was to call for the herb garden to be destroyed and when the priestess hesitated, he threatened to kill her, using vulgarity. At least cartoon villains speak, if not nobly, then certainly not like a street thug. As king of Wakanda, he immediately called for waging wars throughout the world. Now that's cartoon villain stuff, so we shouldn't be shocked by it. But the personal kills take him out of the comic book universe and more into the realm of serial murders. I wouldn't think Coogler was having him represent or symbolize a reaction to discrimination against black people. Killmonger says at one point he killed so many to come back to Wakanda. But why would joining the military and killing hundreds of people personally be a necessary route to Wakanda? Why would bringing the corpse of the Claw make him welcome in a society which is suppose to be enlightened and benevolent? The vengeful and angry black man who would kill those who oppressed black people if given the power confirms the worst racial stereotypes of black men held by some people. Killmonger's defeat is a rejection of that stereotype, as is BP's decision to engage with the world, to share Wakanda's wealth. As much as I loved Michael B. Jordan's portrayal I agree with every word but most especially this: Quote If they brought Killmonger back, it would be a commercial concession, to reverse the defeat of a character who embodied the worst aspects of humanity, in order to bring back a popular movie star. 1 Link to comment
HunterHunted September 16, 2018 Share September 16, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 2:45 AM, Zuleikha said: However, I thought the basic facts of Killmonger's mother's story needed to be left in for Killmonger's story to have its full weight. As far as I knew, he wasn't orphaned. Leaving him in Oakland with his mother seemed like a very defensible choice! A few lines to clarify that his mother was in prison and he ended up in the foster care system as a result of N'Jobu's death would have helped make the ramifications of his abandonment clearer to me. It's a weird little bit that not everyone picks up on. When the audience first sees N'Jobu and Zuri as James, they are actually in the middle of planning how to break Erik's mother out of prison. But it's similar to how a lot of people don't realize until the end of the film or after seeing it again that the intro is N'Jobu teaching Erik/N'Jadaka the history of Wakanda. Costume design and soundtrack are the only two categories where this film should be remotely competitive. Maybe cinematography too, but none of the really big awards. In the io9 piece, one of commenters, PeruvianMap, writes "there is a difference between a good film and an important film." This is an important film for many reasons, but it's got a lot of flaws, including the fact that T'Challa is the least interesting character in the film. We haven't seen a titular hero this boring since the first two Thor films. Luckily, Black Panther has a lot more going for it than those Thor films ever had except for Loki. Link to comment
festivus September 16, 2018 Share September 16, 2018 28 minutes ago, HunterHunted said: This is an important film for many reasons, but it's got a lot of flaws, including the fact that T'Challa is the least interesting character in the film. We haven't seen a titular hero this boring since the first two Thor films. Luckily, Black Panther has a lot more going for it than those Thor films ever had except for Loki. This was the thing that bothered me about this film. T'Challa was so great in Civil War, his quiet intensity stood out even in a film filled with superheros. It's a shame he got lost in his own movie. Black Panther was a good movie for everyone else but the title character. 4 Link to comment
PepSinger September 16, 2018 Share September 16, 2018 I respectfully disagree with that, but YMMV. 6 Link to comment
Lantern7 September 16, 2018 Share September 16, 2018 Given the nature of the Infinity Gauntlet, I feel that anybody could be brought back . . . even people who died before Infinity War. And I think some people would be returned subconsciously. So if T’Challa were to somehow return and use the Gauntlet like a reset button, he might accidentally bring Erik back. I’m not saying that’s a good idea in the big picture for the MCU. but the possibility is there. Link to comment
galaxygirl76 September 17, 2018 Share September 17, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 8:33 PM, starri said: I saw a clip of an actor doing an appearance as T'Challa in costume at Disneyland, flanked by two of the Doras. And then I realized, Epcot really, REALLY needs a Wakanda pavilion. I will go stand in line for it NOW. I don't believe Disney can use Black Panther on that side of the Mississippi. Link to comment
Kel Varnsen September 17, 2018 Share September 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, galaxygirl76 said: I don't believe Disney can use Black Panther on that side of the Mississippi. There are some tricky rules behind the deal. From what I remember Disney can't use characters that Universal is already using and also can't use family members or team members associated with character's that Universal is using. If there are characters they use they can't advertise them as Marvel characters. When I was in Disney World in 2016 they had Dr Strange walking around but they couldn't say he was from Marvel comics. BP woulf probably be difficult becuse he is a member of the Avengers. 1 Link to comment
ChromaKelly September 17, 2018 Share September 17, 2018 Killmonger comic miniseries in the works This could be a good way to have Killmonger back in the movies but not make it a cheesy resurrection/not really dead. I'd watch the hell out of this. 2 Link to comment
Lantern7 September 18, 2018 Share September 18, 2018 I jumped off after Priest's run on Black Panther. Is Erik alive in continuity right now? Link to comment
oliv88 September 18, 2018 Share September 18, 2018 It was the first Marvel movie that I watched with a friend that too he insisted a lot, I regretted to not have watched the other Marvel movies. Since then I have been binge watching and must say they have done a really good job. Black Panther was amazing and especially the music they did for it. Just awesome. 4 Link to comment
starri September 19, 2018 Share September 19, 2018 On 9/16/2018 at 8:20 PM, Kel Varnsen said: There are some tricky rules behind the deal. From what I remember Disney can't use characters that Universal is already using and also can't use family members or team members associated with character's that Universal is using. If there are characters they use they can't advertise them as Marvel characters. When I was in Disney World in 2016 they had Dr Strange walking around but they couldn't say he was from Marvel comics. BP woulf probably be difficult becuse he is a member of the Avengers. I was bored and decided to read up a little about this. Apparently, Black Panther may open the door for some renegotiation between Universal and Disney. They cannot use characters in Orlando that are used at Islands of Adventure. So, that knocks off the X-Men, Fantastic Four, Hulk, and Spider-Man because all have their own rides. They additionally have a cast member dressed up as Cap who roams around for photo ops. There is one small depiction of T'Challa--they have a lot of oh-so-90s art around Marvel Island--but the position is that does not constitute "featuring" him. So, they may have some wiggle room. There is also apparently consideration to making a Wakanda themed pavilion on the technology side that would, I assume, be hosted by Shuri. At California Adventure and their international parks, they have a freer hand, so Shanghai and Hong Kong Disneyland will be getting their own Avengers Land, as well DCA and Walt Disney Studios Park at Disneyland Paris. 2 Link to comment
DeeDee79 September 22, 2018 Share September 22, 2018 On 5/14/2018 at 9:27 PM, SherriAnt said: And on a shallow note, has anyone ever had as beautiful skin as Lupita Nyong'o? She looks like a porcelain doll, but in a good way. Yes! I have the same thoughts every time I rewatch. I loved her hair also. I wish that I was confident enough to rock a short natural style like hers and look even half as good! 2 Link to comment
Dee November 7, 2018 Share November 7, 2018 (edited) Oscars: Disney Makes Up for Lost Time With ‘Black Panther’ Quote The Oscar circuit is roaring to life with soirees and cocktail gatherings booked throughout New York and Los Angeles until the end of the year and beyond. Campaigns are looking for the usual footholds, shipping in talent to hold court with members of the Hollywood Foreign Press and Broadcast Film Critics associations, angling for representation on the groups’ televised awards shows in the thick of Oscar voting. And a little face time with Academy members along the way doesn’t hurt. Usually the goal is setting the table for an upcoming release. But in some cases, the task is much more difficult: bringing a contender from earlier in the year back into the fray. That’s what Disney is attempting with the billion-dollar blockbuster “Black Panther,” which hit theaters in February and instantly became not just a pop-cultural event but a meta-cultural happening. Edited November 7, 2018 by Dee Link to comment
Dee November 15, 2018 Share November 15, 2018 (edited) Can Barrier-Breaking ‘Black Panther’ Become The First Superhero Movie Nominated For Best Picture? Quote Black Panther has risen to plenty of challenges, shattering every expectation to far surpass the ticket sales of any film by a Black director, with a cast populated by African and African-American performers, on its way to a $1.3 billion global gross. But there’s one challenge remaining: can the film overcome a clear Academy prejudice and get a fair shake as a Best Picture candidate? It’s a prejudice that, for once, is nothing to do with race. If history is a guide, what Black Panther must overcome is the kneejerk reaction of Academy voters to dismiss superhero movies outright. If it gets its Best Picture nomination, it’d be a first. Not even Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy cracked that recognition, even as it spurred the Academy to broaden the Best Picture category from five to a possible 10 nominees. The challenge facing Marvel and Disney this season is preventing Black Panther from being marginalized as just another high roller in the Marvel Cinematic Universe assembly line. It is so much more. Beyond the big business, Black Panther is as landmark for the superhero genre as Get Out was for horror, tackling deep-seated issues, often for the first time in mainstream cinema. When Wakandan king T’Challa addresses countries at the UN about nations building bridges and not barriers, it’s hard not to see his speech as an answer to Trump’s isolationism. Among the bona fides worth considering this awards season: after playing color barrier-breakers Jackie Robinson and Thurgood Marshall, Chadwick Boseman brings the same quiet dignity to T’Challa, convincingly infusing intellect and physicality to a character first created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in recognition of the changing world of 1960s Civil Rights reforms. Both in front of and behind the camera, Black Panther featured a strong contingent of women, like production designer Hannah Beachler and costume designer Ruth E. Carter, who indelibly stamped the film as a celebration of African culture and created a living, breathing world in Wakanda. Michael B. Jordan, making his third film with Ryan Coogler after Fruitvale Station and Creed, left an indelible mark as Erik Killmonger, turning the grudge-holding cousin of T’Challa and rival for the Wakandan throne into a whirlwind of rage without making himself a scenery-chewer. Black Panther’s living, breathing scale comes from its depiction of the fictional African nation of Wakanda, which brims with technological advancement and a profound connection to its imagined history and culture. But what may not be evident on screen—except in the most subconscious ways—is how profoundly everybody involved in its creation invested pieces of their personal journeys into Black Panther. As they searched for their own identities as African-American descendants of the continent of Africa, theirs is a celebration of a place so often depicted as volatile or violent. In the mix are subtle infusions of the Black Power movement, the unforgivable history of the slave era and the ravaging of Africa’s natural resources. All that wrapped up in a Marvel movie destined for maximum reach. Edited November 15, 2018 by Dee Link to comment
xaxat November 20, 2018 Share November 20, 2018 One thing that I found out from the Historians at the Movies thread is that Jamal Khashoggi, the journalist murdered in the Saudi Consulate, wrote a piece called What Saudi Arabia can learn from ‘Black Panther The last line is heart breaking. 5 Link to comment
anna0852 December 6, 2018 Share December 6, 2018 Black Panther has picked up three Golden Globes nominations: Best Song, Best Score and BEST PICTURE!!!!!! 9 Link to comment
truthaboutluv December 7, 2018 Share December 7, 2018 The soundtrack also just picked up a slew of Grammy nominations including Album of the Year, Record of the Year and Song of the Year. 4 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 December 7, 2018 Share December 7, 2018 On 12/6/2018 at 9:19 AM, anna0852 said: Black Panther has picked up three Golden Globes nominations: Best Song, Best Score and BEST PICTURE!!!!!! Happy with the Best Picture nom even though it won't win. I would have liked if Michael B Jordan got a Best Supporting Actor Nom but, sadly not the case. 1 Link to comment
LydiaMoon1 December 15, 2018 Share December 15, 2018 On 12/7/2018 at 9:34 AM, Morrigan2575 said: Happy with the Best Picture nom even though it won't win. IA that it won't win, but, for me, that's not what's most important. The biggest significance of any Best Picture noms for BP is that it means that Danai and Lu will appear on the red carpet. I mean, all that other stuff (precedent, opportunity, etc) is great. Wonderful, but I just want to see Danai and Lu Sorry, not sorry. 6 Link to comment
Darlin December 15, 2018 Share December 15, 2018 Black Panther scored 12 nominations from the Critics Choice Awards, including Michael B. Jordan for Best Supporting Actor, Best Picture and Best Acting Ensemble. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/2019-critics-choice-awards-nominations-list-full-1166282/item/best-supporting-actor-critics-choice-nominations-2019-1166399 7 Link to comment
Lantern7 December 16, 2018 Share December 16, 2018 Putting aside the award nomination implications for a second . . . I can’t believe Black Panther will wind up the highest grossing movie of the year, at least domestically. And it was released in February. Even for a Marvel movie, that’s insane. 9 Link to comment
Darlin December 16, 2018 Share December 16, 2018 11 hours ago, Lantern7 said: Putting aside the award nomination implications for a second . . . I can’t believe Black Panther will wind up the highest grossing movie of the year, at least domestically. And it was released in February. Even for a Marvel movie, that’s insane. I had no idea Black Panther eclipsed Avengers in box office totals! Bravo! I am so happy and proud of that movie's success! 4 Link to comment
Kel Varnsen December 16, 2018 Share December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Darlin said: I had no idea Black Panther eclipsed Avengers in box office totals! Bravo! I am so happy and proud of that movie's success! It blows my mind. Back in the 90s when I was reading comics, probably the least popular ongoing marvel titles were Black Panther and Deadpool. 3 Link to comment
anna0852 December 16, 2018 Share December 16, 2018 I'm not going to be suprised if they rack up Oscar nominations at this rate. Best Picture might be a stretch but I'm can easily see Best Director, Best Score, Best Costume Design, Best Art Direction and Best Song (All The Stars). Oscar noms on the non-tech categories will be a MAJOR coup for Marvel. 2 Link to comment
Lantern7 December 17, 2018 Share December 17, 2018 12 hours ago, Darlin said: I had no idea Black Panther eclipsed Avengers in box office totals! Bravo! I am so happy and proud of that movie's success! Technically, it won the battle domestically. A:IW won worldwide. 10 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said: It blows my mind. Back in the 90s when I was reading comics, probably the least popular ongoing marvel titles were Black Panther and Deadpool. I don't think that was the case. Deadpool wound up lasting seventy-plus issues, and made stars of Joe Kelly and Ed McGuinness. As for Black Panther? While it was taken out of the Marvel Knights stable after twelve issues, we ended up with 62 issues total, sixty written by Christopher Priest. I'd like to think the title make Marvel a little money, added to the critical acclaim. Link to comment
Kel Varnsen December 17, 2018 Share December 17, 2018 8 hours ago, Lantern7 said: I don't think that was the case. Deadpool wound up lasting seventy-plus issues, and made stars of Joe Kelly and Ed McGuinness. As for Black Panther? While it was taken out of the Marvel Knights stable after twelve issues, we ended up with 62 issues total, sixty written by Christopher Priest. I'd like to think the title make Marvel a little money, added to the critical acclaim. Here is a sales chart from 1999. There were only a few ongoing marvel titles that sold worse than Black Panther and Deadpool. By the time of this chart in 2001 there weren't any ongoing marvel titles that sold fewer copies. Link to comment
xaxat December 18, 2018 Share December 18, 2018 (edited) On 12/16/2018 at 6:10 PM, anna0852 said: I'm not going to be suprised if they rack up Oscar nominations at this rate. Best Picture might be a stretch but I'm can easily see Best Director, Best Score, Best Costume Design, Best Art Direction and Best Song (All The Stars). Oscar noms on the non-tech categories will be a MAJOR coup for Marvel. Ruth Carter created a totally new aesthetic and had better win for best costume design over all those others who just recreate period piece fashion. (Which they do well, but Ruth's work was on a whole 'nother level.) And it's a longshot, but I want a nomination for Michael B. Jordan. ETA. The Academy just released nomination shortlists for several categories. Black Panther made the cut in all of the categories it was eligible for (ie non-animation, foreign film etc). Makeup and Hairstyling Original Score Original Song Visual Effects Edited December 18, 2018 by xaxat 6 Link to comment
ElectricBoogaloo January 14, 2019 Share January 14, 2019 Black Panther won three Critics' Choice Awards tonight! Best Production Design: Hannah Beachler and Jay Hart Best Costume Design: Ruth E. Carter Best Visual Effects 2 Link to comment
anna0852 January 22, 2019 Share January 22, 2019 Black Panther had been nominated for 7 Oscars..... INCLUDING BEST PICTURE!!!!!!!! 13 Link to comment
coppersin January 22, 2019 Share January 22, 2019 That cast always looks gorgeous on the red carpet, looking forward to seeing them. 9 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 January 22, 2019 Share January 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, anna0852 said: Black Panther had been nominated for 7 Oscars..... INCLUDING BEST PICTURE!!!!!!!! Nice! Link to comment
SimoneS January 22, 2019 Share January 22, 2019 (edited) Kudos to Coogler, the cast, the crew, and of course Marvel/Disney! Edited January 22, 2019 by SimoneS 3 Link to comment
tennisgurl January 22, 2019 Share January 22, 2019 Yeah, that Oscar for best makeup isnt looking so special now, is it DCEU?!? So happy for this movie, its whole cast and crew, Disney/Marvel, and the future of this whole genre. WAKANDA FOREVER! 7 Link to comment
Dee January 22, 2019 Share January 22, 2019 Really happy Black Panther was nominated for BP. However, no awards for acting and/or directing? Shameful. 5 Link to comment
blueray January 22, 2019 Share January 22, 2019 Congrats Black Panther on a best picture nod. 3 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 January 23, 2019 Share January 23, 2019 I was a little disappointed that Michael B Jordan didn't get a supporting actor nomination but, i'll take what I can get 6 Link to comment
anna0852 January 28, 2019 Share January 28, 2019 Black Panther has won Best Ensemble at the Screen Actors Guild awards. Which is apparently a *major* indicator for winning Best Picture at the Oscars. Per the numbers, just over half of Best Ensemble winners subsequenly pick up Best Picture as well. 7 Link to comment
JessePinkman January 28, 2019 Share January 28, 2019 Disney is also donating $1.5 million to the United Negro College Fund. 9 Link to comment
anna0852 January 29, 2019 Share January 29, 2019 Chadwick is going to be doing 'Wakanda Forver!' with fans for the rest of his life.... 4 Link to comment
xaxat January 30, 2019 Share January 30, 2019 On 1/28/2019 at 9:27 PM, anna0852 said: Chadwick is going to be doing 'Wakanda Forver!' with fans for the rest of his life.... I wonder how many times he gets the Wakandan salute from strangers when he's out in public 5 Link to comment
Apprentice79 January 30, 2019 Share January 30, 2019 9 hours ago, xaxat said: I wonder how many times he gets the Wakandan salute from strangers when he's out in public He has been chased in cars by people requesting him to do it. Some of the fans take it too far, but, he takes it in stride. He knows it is part of the job. This is what he dreamt about when he moved to Hollywood, years ago. 3 Link to comment
Lantern7 February 20, 2019 Share February 20, 2019 Honest Trailers goes over Best Picture nominees. I think the stuff about Black Panther was a bit harsh. I didn't think I felt that nitpicky after watching it. Link to comment
Anduin February 20, 2019 Share February 20, 2019 Of the movies I saw last year, that actually stick in the mind, BP was the best. But I suspect the oscar will go to a more oscar-baity movie. Of course, I'm not into the Oscars or oscar bait. They could give the Oscar to whatever they want, it won't change my opinion. But if a person cares what the Oscar voters think, I can see how they'd feel it was important. 1 Link to comment
VCRTracking February 23, 2019 Share February 23, 2019 The Onion guide to this years Oscar nominees: Quote Black Panther Synopsis: The heartbreaking story of a white arms dealer who is tragically killed after getting mixed up in the political struggles of an African nation Prospects: Shamelessly panders to Academy voters with its heavy-handed, one-sided take on the vibranium mining industry Defining Line: “You are a good man, with a good heart. And it’s hard for a good man to be a king. And in a truly just society, of course, we wouldn’t have a king, or rich dynastic forces who wield undemocratic, unaccountable power. And anyone who desires and propagates that model of society, like a person such as yourself, is, frankly, immoral, and should not be looked up to in any circumstances. So that’s all pretty fucked up, and certainly nothing to celebrate. But, yeah, anyway, you’ll be good at being a king.” 8 2 Link to comment
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