S07.E08: Didn't Mean It

[SheTalksShit]

1 hour ago, Straycat80 said:

I wonder how long it will take for that wheelchair to be broke again. Didn't Gracie break it last time? 

Don't Leah, Chelsea and some of the people they are with own winter coats? It's cold and snows five months out of the year where I live, most people wear costs, scarfs, etc...Leah was walking down the street after court, no coat on, she was visibly shivering. 

Jenelle is a mess. I don't trust this David she's with, he seems like a soon to be lit fuse. I'll bet he explodes in the near future. 

I actually think David seems pretty mellow and easy-going, so far. That could change, of course, but so far, compared to Nathan, he seems to treat her pretty well. 

[GreatKazu]

LOL at Chelsea's mom being stuck. So glad I live near the beach. 

21 minutes ago, shelley1005 said:

I haven't seen people saying that.  I have seen people talking about this episode and Leah's  behavior in this episode.  

I'm moving on from this conversation.  

Good move. As Maharincess would comment, get off the merry go round.

I loved that slide toy Kaiser was on. I would have loved that as a kid.

Edited May 3, 2016 by GreatKazu

[Maharincess]

Didn't watch last week and made it 29 minutes into this episode before I had to turn it. 

I have always thought that the reason that Isaac was so upset and distraught over Javi leaving was because Karl and Anus Lips made him that way. In my opinion they handled it in the absolute worst possible way for that poor kid.  What Jo said tonight confirmed it.  Poor Issac thinks Javi is in the middle of the desert with no food or water. 

They should have made it no big deal in front of Isaac.  Assure him that Javi is just working and he'll be fine and no matter what, Isaac will still be loved and taken care of. They did the opposite of that. 

And I'm wondering about the  Hulk type rampage Karl would go on if Isaac started calling Vee mommy. He shouldn't be calling Javi daddy when his own father lives down the street.   Karl would shake all of their heads if Isaac called Vee anything close to mommy. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by Maharincess
Cause I wanna

[SPLAIN]

I did some checking. Apparently, the wheelchair representive who was shown giving Leah the chair, works out of Corpus Christi, Texas. He is a rehab specialist and wheelchair specialist whose specialty is pediatric wheelchairs.

Nathan's attorney's voice sounded like Jenelle. Creepy.

Bae for Babs. MTV is trying to hook up Barb with a man on their digital webcast. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by SPLAIN

[AhFillAck]

Gee, how nice of David to not want Jenelle to get her feelings hurt by Nathan. "Anything he needs to say to you should only be about Kaiser. He can call me and talk to you, or he can call me and talk to me and I'll talk to you." Control, control, control. CREEEEEEPY.

Nathan's lawyer rolling her eyes made me laugh out loud.

[BitterApple]

Both Leah and Cory are equally responsible for making sure Ali uses her wheelchair. Leah appears to have selective memory because I don't recall Dr. Tsao saying Ali needed to walk as much as possible. If anything, I thought it was the opposite.

The look Chelsea gave the camera crew when Mary got stuck was hysterical. Seriously Lois Griffin, you've lived in South Dakooooota for how many years? Driving into snow banks is bad, mmmkay.

Can somebody please run a comb through Paislee's hair? And start a winter coat drive for Chelsea, Leah and Victoria? 

Because it's late and I'm tired, I won't even go there with Jenelle and Uncle Stupid. When Nathan's lawyer said "what a mess," I think she spoke for us all.

[ReadMeLattice]

2 hours ago, shelley1005 said:

I haven't seen people saying that.  I have seen people talking about this episode and Leah's  behavior in this episode.  

I'm moving on from this conversation.  

Twice, in this conversation alone and the other thread. But yes, I agree, obviously not going to agree on anything, I am not going to engage anymore.

Anyway, why is David serving as a go between and more importantly, why is Nathan agreeing to this?! Is this all a ruse so David and Nathan can get together and fulfill those gay rumors from a few seasons back? 

Isaac is the best kid. Makes me want 'em. 

[lovesnark]

28 minutes ago, AhFillAck said:

Gee, how nice of David to not want Jenelle to get her feelings hurt by Nathan. "Anything he needs to say to you should only be about Kaiser. He can call me and talk to you, or he can call me and talk to me and I'll talk to you." Control, control, control. CREEEEEEPY.

Nathan's lawyer rolling her eyes made me laugh out loud.

Did you notice the look on Jenelle's face when he was saying that? She looked totally crestfallen. Not like she was worried about creepy Uncle Dave controlling everything. But, like she was entirely bummed at the thought of not being able to fight with Nathan. She LIVES for drama and not being able to control everything relating to Nathan is going to kill her. Bitch wakes up every day in order to make people miserable.

[NikSac]

Chelsea's Mom lives in South Dakota and she doesn't know how to drive in the snow? Also, do Chelsea's friends all live within visual range of her house?  They way they just kept showing up to help one by one was so weird. Chelsea and Cole are cute together. I think they're equally goofy. Something is really off with her math on the child support thing, but whatever... $1000 sounds a lot more realistic so I'm just ignoring all the numbers she threw out that can't possibly be right.

Leah - I'm staying out of most of the wheelchair discussion but I'll just say I'm very glad she's got it back, even if it's only part time. It's better than what she had. I was glad she's been making it on time Monday mornings. Hopefully she can make it Friday too.

Jenelle - wow Uncle Dave gets creepier and creepier. I love how Jenelle was telling friend o' the week that David trusts her completely, but he doesn't trust Nathan. Just wait til you're on the other end of it, David. Funny thing is I bet Nathan and Creepy Dave would get along if they met under other circumstances.  Oh, and am I the only one who wanted to know who she was texting in the middle of what seemed to be a pretty serious conversation about how the visitation went?  Seriously, it couldn't wait 5 minutes?  She did seem to interact with Kaiser a little more this episode, although I was freaking out when he was in that wagon and kept looking like he was going to flip out of it. The little "mini scene" of her playing in the leaves with Jace was fun too.

Kail's scenes were weird to me.  The first Facetime Javi was mostly talking to the kids which made sense, but when she was talking to her friend afterwards she said something about "we'll see how things go as the deployment goes on" - that part definitely did not seem to be about the kids and how they're handling it to me. The second Facetime she was treating him like a little kid "don't talk to anyone you don't know..." etc. Although he did kind of bait her into it with the ISIS comment, but sheesh, does she think the military doesn't - ya know - train people on those kinds of things?

[SPLAIN]

Kail is a control freak. She has to tell Javi what to do, even while he is deployed. Can you imagine controlling David hooking up with controlling Kail? 

[NikSac]

Is this the spot for the after-show(s) too?  Sheesh there were a lot this week. Insomnia let me watch them all. I think it's funny how they keep incorporating Cole into the after-shows. One previous show he was out interviewing fans, and this time he was handing out the Mother's Day gifts. Nothing wrong with it, it just strikes me as funny.

I really, really thought they shouldn't have shown the embarrassing moments with the kids. Bad enough that so many were shown originally but the kids are way too old now for that stuff to be shown on TV. If they're getting recognized at the park, they really don't need some kid coming up and saying "remember that time you pooped all over yourself and your Mommy?"  Ugh!

It was fun watching the kids interact with the cameras though. It gave me a lot of insight into how coached even those scenes are. I shouldn't have been surprised, but I was.

The funny moments show was much better. Gosh it was weird seeing Leah and Corey so young and cute together. We've seen flashes of it since then but I'd forgotten the chemistry they had back then. And I didn't mind seeing Leah pee herself - she's an adult so that's fair game. The loop of Jenelle and Barb saying the same things overandoverandover again was hilarious.

Edited May 4, 2016 by NikSac
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[charmed1]

If Jace's behavior on the aftershow clips is typical, I weep for his teachers. I didn't find Isaac telling the camera man, "You're not my dad!" very cute either.  Oh Ali. That's so sweet of you to say your mom cleans when you're at school. Your sister wasn't going to let that lie through. She's got Leah's number. Kudos to Aubree for sitting up straight and answering all the questions like a big girl. High five Aubs!

[CofCinci]

"I might end up moving this bed here so you can get your chair through here." --  Things you should have thought about prior to bringing the wheelchair into the house?

[DNR]

I know I heard the specialist tell Leah & Corey to useAli's wheelchair To preserve her muscle power. To then hear Leah tell Ali " always use your legs first ".  What part of the doctors orders or her daughters disability does she not understand !!! What a simpleton - it pissed me off . I get so angry watching this show ! 

[poeticlicensed]

Why does Leah live in a 2 story house with a child who uses a wheelchair ? Unless there's an elevator which I doubt. And she's going MTV money, shy not spring  for a custom van with a lift? My neighbor has a child with CP and that's how she gets him to school. It don't make no sense. Corey's beard is taking over his entire head. So all that effing drama so that the girlses can sleep over on Thursdays after "cheer"? What a waste of money on lawyers and the courts time.

I hate Janelle and I seriously think Dave is either mentally challenged or  there's damage from substances. Omg kaier careening down that slide thing had me cringing. But the roll is super cute, I want to squeeze him. Loved how the editors managed to get in a shoot of kairser in his crib in a dark room lol. 

Chelsea had me laughing when her mom got stuck in a snowbank. Adam is so transparent. He wants 50/50 custody because she figures that way he doesn't have to pay support. I doubt any judge is going to laugh Chelsea out of court. 

 

Isaac is worried about Javi. I get it. My son in law was deployed last year. I had no idea why that meant. Many people assume that being deployed in the middle East means living in tents in the desert being shot at by Isis because that's what we see on TV. But good someone like Javi it's like being on a shitty base that he cantbgo home from at night. How did sterling manage to be at Kail's house? Those girls do travel a lot. 

[blubld43]

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Does Uncle Dave have vitiligo?  I'd noticed something with his neck before that I thought was maybe a trach scar but his hands looked blotchy this week too.

I have also noticed that scar(?) on his neck and wondered what it was from.  Could be a number of things, but yeah, a trach scar was my first thought too.  He must have had some major medical problem at some point, IF that's what it is.

[shelley1234]

3 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Isaac is worried about Javi. I get it. My son in law was deployed last year. I had no idea why that meant. Many people assume that being deployed in the middle East means living in tents in the desert being shot at by Isis because that's what we see on TV. But good someone like Javi it's like being on a shitty base that he cantbgo home from at night. How did sterling manage to be at Kail's house? Those girls do travel a lot. 

Yeah, it's tough for kids at that age because they kinda understand someone being deployed, but they don't understand the whole concept of it...and you probably don't want them to.  Isaac understands that Daddy is going away for a long time and that it might be dangerous (alligators), but I am glad he is young enough that he doesn't understand the concept of ISIS and what Javi is really probably doing over there.  It's easier for Lincoln because he doesn't understand any of it....

At least Kail is trying....reading him the book and trying to get him to understand why it is important that Daddy is away...and giving the boys a kiss from her and a kiss from Javi.  

[CofCinci]

For those curious about David's scar: http://starcasm.net/archives/348368

[leighroda]

Does anyone understand the layout of Leah's house better than I do? I thought the girls' room was upstairs, but is it downstairs? Since they showed her going easily from the table to her room... I was wondering that... While I still don't like the idea of a 2-story house for a child with md that does make it marginally better.  And I agree with the observation that the othe 2 were climbing on it in no time, they were more excited to see it than Ali was, I was like can y'all let Alli in the room to freaking see it!? 

On a more shallow note... Does the carpet in Leah's house make anyone else itch? Like I immediately start worrying about asbestos. Has that color or carpet existed since 1992?

[CofCinci]

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Why does Leah live in a 2 story house with a child who uses a wheelchair ?

 

Because it's what TR Dues wanted.

The bedroom shown in this episode is on the first floor but it wasn't available to the girlses earlier in the season because they slept on the couch. I wonder if that mass of clothes and trash shown in the garage was originally stored in that room. 

Also, why isn't Leah telling her children that the wheelchair is medical equipment and not a toy?  They shouldn't be climbing and riding on it. I wouldn't be surprised if it is already broken. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by CofCinci

[Uncle JUICE]

8 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

Has Isaac always called Javi "dad?"  What does he call Jo?

This has bugged me for weeks. Jo isn't some uninvolved dickbag of a dad. I'd object to Aubree calling Cole dad, I object to Chelsea constantly reminding Aubree that Cole isn't a replacement for her unfortunate real father, but no one here ever says boo that Kailyn allows, and probably at some point even encouraged, Isaac to call Javi 'daddy'. It seems right up her passive aggressive alley. 

[NoirDetective]

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I actually think David seems pretty mellow and easy-going, so far. That could change, of course, but so far, compared to Nathan, he seems to treat her pretty well. 

Wow. Just...wow. My definition of mellow doesn't involve "filling the whole street with uppercut" and looking like he was going to chomp through the steering wheel over nothing last week. 

Who the fuck is he to dictate how everything is going to work? Worry about your own kids. It's the classic abuser pattern of control/isolate to compensate for his (justified) insecurity. If Jenelle tried the same shit with his ex there is no way that would fly. He seems like a convict to me in his demeanor and thinking, even if he isn't one technically. Yet.

And of course Jenelle sees all these mile high red flags as signs that he's her white knight, and is such a great dad. Jenelle is more classless than anybody I've had in my life, so I don't know if she'll ever have a "come to reality" moment or will go to her grave blaming everyone else for failing her at every turn. 

Her kids, current and a-coming, are totally and completely fucked. 

[ghoulina]

Of course Lois Griffin got her car stuck in a snow drift. Of course she did! Lol, I was cracking up so hard at that scene, but it's really pretty easy to do. At night, especially, it can be hard to judge depth. It's definitely happened to me a time or two. #Midwest problems!

Chelsea, stop asking Cole if he's sure he wants to marry you! He's sure!!!! Don't ruin things with your constant neediness. I did really like the location they scouted out, very simple and rustic. 

Of course Adumb didn't show up at the child support hearing. Of course he didn't! He may think it's BS and Chelsea's just "after him" because he makes more now. But you sure aren't going to make a good impression on anybody by not showing up and taking it seriously. Any yea, that's typical, you make more, you re-evaluate. He's lucky he's been skating by on such a paltry amount for so long. 

 

 

You know, I thought Leah finally looked "normal" in the scenes last night. She is really looking a lot more clear headed and healthy. She even wore her classier court blazer to their hearing! (Did EVERYONE but Kail meet with a lawyer this week???) No, I was happy to see that both she and Corey could reach an agreement about custody. This new arrangement seems very sensible. Leah is the one who's super into cheer with Gracie, so it makes sense that she'd take them on Thursdays and just have them through the weekend. And then Corey gets his one weekend a month so that he doesn't ONLY have them during the hectic, busy school days. 

I like seeing them co-parent like this. They WERE doing this before, before Leah got all drugged out. If she can stay on a good path, and they can work as a team, it will be so much more beneficial for the girlses. But sadly, I have my doubts. Time will tell. 

I did love seeing Ali in her wheelchair!! She's a doll. But please don't let Adderall ride around on it. Both of the other girlses should know it's for Ali only and is not a toy. 

 

 

Kail's scenes just made me really sad. How cute was Isaac? Being scared about alligators getting Javi? I also loved how she gave them a kiss from both her and daddy, as they cuddled in bed together. Sometimes those boys remind me so much of my two. But it really just makes me sad, because I think they have the potential to be a nice little family. Kail has her issues, but she seems to be raising some pretty good kids there. If she would stop being a controlling, arrogant bitch and Javi could stop being an insecure, manipulative asshole - they could make a nice life for those boys. I just hate knowing their whole world is going to be torn apart when Javi gets home. 

 

 

I laughed so hard when Jenelle said that David trusts her, just not Nathan. NO, honey, he does not trust you. Are you paying attention? Why else would Dave be so intent on mediating between Jenelle and Nathan? It's not because he's looking out for her, and trying to spare her from being hurt by him. It's because he's worried that she'll throw down and consumate with him right there in the public restaurant. So HE takes on the "burden" of texting with Nathan and overseeing the meetups with Kaiser. And then, of course, he can come back to Jenelle and report just how badly Nathan behaved, with no cameras to prove him otherwise. 

They both just look so pathetic, with Jenelle dictating every text. It's clear she's basically holding her child hostage. I do think Nathan is being a bit silly about not wanting them to know where he lives. But then again, this is Jenelle. Either way, I laughed so hard when David proclaimed, "What if he lives in a whorehouse?" Hahahaha. Yes, that's it, David. We have to worry about Kaiser sleeping in a whorehouse. FFS. 

[TwirlyGirly]

Ali's wheelchair is a Permobil K450 MX. It's base price is approximately $13,886.00. It is not a toy. It should have been made clear to Ali's sisters from the beginning they were not allowed to climb on or use Ali's wheelchair at any time. Period.

I agree with those who have said the wheelchair should be available to Ali to use at all times; at school, and at both Corey's and Leah's houses. Whatever that requires (portable ramps to load the chair into their vehicles, the purchase of a lift-equipped van, etc.) needs to be done. If for whatever reason Corey and/or Leah are not willing do whatever it takes to accomplish that, I'm not entirely convinced Ali's greatest need for the chair is at school. At her age, she's not changing classrooms for each subject, right? From what we've seen on the show, the girls are very active at home - whether they are at Corey's or Leah's. Lots of running around and rough and tumble play. Plus, school is only what - six or seven hours a day, five days a week? So, the majority of Ali's "awake time" is at home. IMO, a manual wheelchair could be purchased for school. The teacher could assign a student weekly to be Ali's (supervised!) "pusher" (oh boy, that sounded wrong, didn't it?). It could be a reward of sorts. Kids LOVE that kind of thing. (That's what was done when I was a child. The kids took a lot of pride in ensuring my safety. Although nowadays that probably wouldn't be allowed for reasons of liability).

But letting any kids - whether it be Ali's sisters or her schoolmates -  play with or on Ali's wheelchair (even a manual one) should never, ever, be allowed.

In regards to what Leah said to Ali about using her chair...I'm sure the end result will be Ali overexerting herself and not using it when she needs to, because Leah has sent her the message that using it is not a positive thing, and if she does use it, she's just not trying. (I realize that's not what Leah said. I'm saying that's what a six year old heard).

Kinda wishing here MTV had sent Dr. Tsao the footage of what Corey and Leah have both said about Ali's use of the wheelchair before the episodes aired. Dr. Tsao needs to know, for Ali's sake, and regardless of what they may say when he sees them at Ali's appointments, what they are saying and actually putting into practice at home.

I would think a couple of sessions with a therapist experienced in dealing with the parents of children with disabilities, and how denial often affects whether their child's doctor's recommendations are followed, could do both Corey and Leah a world of good - which of course would help Ali, too. Corey and Leah's feelings about Ali's disability certainly aren't unique, and I'm sure there are therapists who could help them understand why their words and actions are harming Ali both now and in the future. 

[ghoulina]

7 hours ago, SheTalksShit said:

I actually think David seems pretty mellow and easy-going, so far. That could change, of course, but so far, compared to Nathan, he seems to treat her pretty well. 

They've only been together a few weeks. Give it time, haha. No, David seems, to me, to have that more controlled anger going on. Like he's not going to blow up and yell at you. He's going to take your arm, tower over you, make crazy eyes at you, and whisper that you better never meet your ex for lunch/dinner again. Notice how he's acting like a knight in shining armor, swooping in to handle all interactions with Nathan? That's not out of the goodness of his heart. That's all manipulated to keep tabs on Jenelle. He's very controlling. 

 

5 hours ago, NikSac said:

Chelsea's Mom lives in South Dakota and she doesn't know how to drive in the snow? Also, do Chelsea's friends all live within visual range of her house?  They way they just kept showing up to help one by one was so weird.

They were all getting ready to go on their trip. So I think it makes sense that they were showing up as Mary was getting Aubry. 

 

43 minutes ago, Uncle JUICE said:

This has bugged me for weeks. Jo isn't some uninvolved dickbag of a dad. I'd object to Aubree calling Cole dad, I object to Chelsea constantly reminding Aubree that Cole isn't a replacement for her unfortunate real father, but no one here ever says boo that Kailyn allows, and probably at some point even encouraged, Isaac to call Javi 'daddy'. It seems right up her passive aggressive alley. 

I've commented a lot on this previously, but I think a lot of it has to do with Javi and Kail having a kid together. Lincoln calls Javi "dad". It might have just naturally started happening with Isaac. My mother remarried when I was 3. My dad was always in my life as a kid, a very loving and involved father. But I ended up calling my step-father "dad" as well. The other kids were doing it, so it felt weird calling him Ed. It just happened. It wasn't intentional, and I did try when I was with my father, to only call my step-dad by his name. 

I give Kail a lot of crap, but I don't know that I'd go so far as to say she encouraged it. I bet it just happened naturally. SHE also calls Javi "Daddy" when talking to Lincoln. If she's talking to both of them, is going to say - "Let's go pick up Daddy slash Javi"? I think it probably just came about organically, and it seems like Jo is mature enough to understand the bond his son has with Javi, so I don't know that he even cares. 

[ReadMeLattice]

I believe Leah lives in a 2 story house with her "friend" TR Dues and his kids (kid?). It's insane to have one with a kid in a wheelchair if you don't need one. 

Whenever I see Corey and Leah back when they were young, all I'm reminded of is that they found out they were expecting in 3 WEEKS of dating. The most drama I've had with someone I dated for 3 weeks is whether we prefer texting or calling. Condoms, people, condoms. 

I actually feel bad for Jenelle a little. I don't think she's bright enough to understand that not screaming bloody murder at her doesn't equal "nice guy." She's been in a house watching and having toxic relationships, starting with her parents, her whole life. Every single guy she's been with has had a huge temper (and no I'm not saying she doesn't--she's just used to it) and a huge drug/alcohol problem. The fact that David doesn't fly off the handle must really seem magical to her. She can't see how manipulative he really is. I don't think she has a single coping skill or critical thinking bone in her body. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by Lm2162

[Uncle JUICE]

8 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

 

I give Kail a lot of crap, but I don't know that I'd go so far as to say she encouraged it. I bet it just happened naturally. SHE also calls Javi "Daddy" when talking to Lincoln. If she's talking to both of them, is going to say - "Let's go pick up Daddy slash Javi"? I think it probably just came about organically, and it seems like Jo is mature enough to understand the bond his son has with Javi, so I don't know that he even cares. 

Damn you and your totally sensible point! I wonder what he'll end up calling him when they inevitably get divorced. 

[ReadMeLattice]

31 minutes ago, TwirlyGirly said:

Ali's wheelchair is a Permobil K450 MX. It's base price is approximately $13,886.00. It is not a toy. It should have been made clear to Ali's sisters from the beginning they were not allowed to climb on or use Ali's wheelchair at any time. Period.

I agree with those who have said the wheelchair should be available to Ali to use at all times; at school, and at both Corey's and Leah's houses. Whatever that requires (portable ramps to load the chair into their vehicles, the purchase of a lift-equipped van, etc.) needs to be done. If for whatever reason Corey and/or Leah are not willing do whatever it takes to accomplish that, I'm not entirely convinced Ali's greatest need for the chair is at school. At her age, she's not changing classrooms for each subject, right? From what we've seen on the show, the girls are very active at home - whether they are at Corey's or Leah's. Lots of running around and rough and tumble play. Plus, school is only what - six or seven hours a day, five days a week? So, the majority of Ali's "awake time" is at home. IMO, a manual wheelchair could be purchased for school. The teacher could assign a student weekly to be Ali's (supervised!) "pusher" (oh boy, that sounded wrong, didn't it?). It could be a reward of sorts. Kids LOVE that kind of thing. (That's what was done when I was a child. The kids took a lot of pride in ensuring my safety. Although nowadays that probably wouldn't be allowed for reasons of liability).

But letting any kids - whether it be Ali's sisters or her schoolmates -  play with or on Ali's wheelchair (even a manual one) should never, ever, be allowed.

In regards to what Leah said to Ali about using her chair...I'm sure the end result will be Ali overexerting herself and not using it when she needs to, because Leah has sent her the message that using it is not a positive thing, and if she does use it, she's just not trying. (I realize that's not what Leah said. I'm saying that's what a six year old heard).

Kinda wishing here MTV had sent Dr. Tsao the footage of what Corey and Leah have both said about Ali's use of the wheelchair before the episodes aired. Dr. Tsao needs to know, for Ali's sake, and regardless of what they may say when he sees them at Ali's appointments, what they are saying and actually putting into practice at home.

I would think a couple of sessions with a therapist experienced in dealing with the parents of children with disabilities, and how denial often affects whether their child's doctor's recommendations are followed, could do both Corey and Leah a world of good - which of course would help Ali, too. Corey and Leah's feelings about Ali's disability certainly aren't unique, and I'm sure there are therapists who could help them understand why their words and actions are harming Ali both now and in the future. 

This, this, this. I wonder what Dr. Tsao would think of that horrible footage. 

Something tells me he doesn't watch Teen Mom. 

I wish so much that either one of them would find a good therapist to deal with Ali and Gracie's inevitable emotional goings-on after everything they've been through. One that specializes in disabilities. It's not enough just to settle the custody agreement. They had one dad, then another, they likely don't understand Ali's disability fully, it's not taken care of properly. I feel for those girls so deeply. I think they are loved by many people in their lives, but they are not properly cared for. Routine is not enough in their case. 

It's true, many parents, especially less educated ones, seem to have similar misconceptions about raising children with disabilities. I wish they'd read a book or two or at least just trust the doctor and stay proactive. It doesn't make them bad people, necessarily, but it is harming their children. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by Lm2162

[woodscommaelle]

Zaza what?  Had no idea who they were talking about.  I think its a cute nickname for Isaac.

[Mkay]

11 minutes ago, woodscommaelle said:

Zaza what?  Had no idea who they were talking about.  I think its a cute nickname for Isaac.

I forget how it was used in context but I assumed it was Javi's mom aka housekeeper/live in babysitter.  

[Ljohnson1987]

Leah seems high 24/7. If this is her doing better, I'd love to see what doing worse is. Leah doesn't care about her girlses best interests. She loves being in a pissing match with Corey.  Someone needs to save the girls.

 

Kail: Yawn. Wah, wah, wah! Javi is away and I have to be a single Mom. Newsflash, Kail... People do it everyday, and don't get paid by MTV to do it. Isaac and Lincoln are adorable.

 

Chelsea: We know that you're getting married! Stop saying it every five minutes.

 

Jenelle: Good job holding Kai from Nathan. She'd be flipping out if the tables were turned. Shouldn't the mediator of the visits with Kai, not be a domestic violence person? Uncle Dave is trash.

[Chicken Wing]

2 hours ago, Uncle JUICE said:

This has bugged me for weeks. Jo isn't some uninvolved dickbag of a dad. I'd object to Aubree calling Cole dad, I object to Chelsea constantly reminding Aubree that Cole isn't a replacement for her unfortunate real father, but no one here ever says boo that Kailyn allows, and probably at some point even encouraged, Isaac to call Javi 'daddy'. 

That's because Jo himself has said he doesn't mind. I remember because I remember wondering if Kail would be so casual about it if Isaac started calling Vee "Mommy."

Anyhoo, I need to get Uncle Dave off my TV. Like, seriously, I need him to go away. I feel like calling a women's shelter for myself just looking at him. Dude is creeeeeepy. And texting Nathan about Kaiser on Jenelle's behalf? To quote Kail, what in the actual fuck? That is So Stupid. In any normal situation with normal folks, if a guy in Dave's situation were asked by his girlfriend to argue with her baby daddy for her because she just can't be bothered, he'd be like, hell haw, I ain't getting in the middle of that, you deal with him. But he not only agrees, he encourages it -- after all, can't have your woman talking to her ex without you monitoring everything. Jenelle, run ... the fuck ... away.

I'm already sick of Chelsea's wedding.

I know nothing about snow living, haven't even seen snow since I was five years old, so I have no idea how to park or not park on a snowy ground so whatever. When Chelsea and Chelsey and the wedding planner went to push Lois Griffin's car from the front, I couldn't help but think "I hope they made her triple-check that she has it in reverse..." And Adam continues to be stupid. Why does he think it's such a slam-dunk for him to get joint custody of Aubree? Because he and Taylor worked out a custody agreement by themselves? For the 83rd time, Adam, having Paisley every other weekend is not 50/50 custody, unless he thinks there are only eight days in a month. And it's high time Chelsea took Adam to court to get the child support revised. None of these people are making the same pittance they were back in 2010. If he's making more money, whether it's a little or lot, and is doing so well as he keeps repeating to no one of interest, then he ought to contribute more.

Glad Corey and Leah finally got things worked out to a custody agreement that is pretty much identical to what Corey had wanted in the first place a while back but which Leah objected to, but when she's on the other end in Non-Primary Custodian-Land, suddenly a 50/50 split sounds like a grand idea! Like Corey said, like he's been saying, he's not trying to take his girls away from their mother. He just wants them to be safe and well taken care of in a stable environment with a responsible caregiver, and they weren't getting that with Leah. If she can turn that around and be a responsible mom again, then they can go back to taking care of things on equal terms.

The Magical Wheelchair is finally fixed. Yay! I give it three months before it breaks again. And I think maybe these people need some kind of intervention from someone other than Dr. Tsao, because apparently his repeatedly impressing upon them the importance of Ali using her wheelchair to preserve her muscle strength is not sinking in. Why did Leah tell Ali to always try to walk first before turning to the chair? She's encouraging her to not want the chair, to keep on trying to walk well past the point where she should stop. Because she's a kid. I mean, I get it, I get why it's sometimes hard for Leah and Corey to comprehend that using the wheelchair more is better for her. You would think that using the chair all the time would mean that her legs would get weaker from lack of use -- after all, isn't that how it usually goes? You have to use your muscles to keep up their strength, don't you? I remember when I sprained my ankle a few years back and had to be on crutches, the leg that was kept off the ground was visibly skinnier after just a couple of weeks. I think they, particularly Corey in the beginning, feel it's the same way with Ali -- if she doesn't use her legs once in a while, they'll get weaker. But apparently it works the opposite way. Her muscle strength works as a limited energy reserve, and the more she uses it, or the more often, the faster she'll run out. She needs to preserve her strength so she can have mobility longer. I feel like someone needs to drill this into their minds. And why do they keep the wheelchair at the school, as mentioned above? The girls are in school some six hours a day for five days out of the week. The amount of time they're up and about at home after school and on the weekend outnumbers that greatly. If it's a hassle to cart the wheelchair back and forth every day before and after school, if it makes more sense to keep it in one place, keep it at home. She needs it more there.

Have Kailyn and Javi ever tried to sit Isaac down and explain to him, really explain, as best for a six-year-old to hear, what his job is and where he goes? There's no reason for him to think Javi is going to be dying of thirst in the desert while alligators chase him. Side note, I like that they make special kids books about having daddy away in the military, and Kail got one to read to the boys.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Chicken Wing

[druzy]

8 hours ago, Maharincess said:

Didn't watch last week and made it 29 minutes into this episode before I had to turn it. 

I have always thought that the reason that Isaac was so upset and distraught over Javi leaving was because Karl and Anus Lips made him that way. In my opinion they handled it in the absolute worst possible way for that poor kid.  What Jo said tonight confirmed it.  Poor Issac thinks Javi is in the middle of the desert with no food or water. 

They should have made it no big deal in front of Isaac.  Assure him that Javi is just working and he'll be fine and no matter what, Isaac will still be loved and taken care of. They did the opposite of that. 

And I'm wondering about the  Hulk type rampage Karl would go on if Isaac started calling Vee mommy. He shouldn't be calling Javi daddy when his own father lives down the street.   Karl would shake all of their heads if Isaac called Vee anything close to mommy. 

I agree 100% with your post!

I didn't even think about the fit that Karl would have if Isaac called Vee mommy!

[Ljohnson1987]

How long will it be before Ali's wheelchair is broken again?

[Mkay]

She claims she would be ok with it.  Jo and Vee have been hanging out at the house together while Javi has been gone. So maybe she and Vee and doing much better. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by Mkay
In reference to Isaac calling Vee Mom

[truelovekiss]

10 hours ago, woodscommaelle said:

And then she reaches back to tickle Gracie. What if Gracie thought it would be 'cute/fun' to yank on Leah's arm or something, causing Leah to lose control of the wheel?

I think we were supposed to be happy she's actually giving a crap about Gracie for once? Still very bad timing.

Edited May 3, 2016 by truelovekiss

[Radrum]

9 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

 I just don't think it's as black and white as Leah=evil/ignorant and Corey=benevolent/smart/great dad of disabled child. It's fine if others do, I just don't think any situation is that straightforward. 

Totally- they are 100% equally responsible...or irresponsible. And dumb. At least in this case. Neither of them seems to get it. 

Reactions to this ep:

Omg can Chelsea motherfuckibg stop with the baby voice. I don't know how Cole stands it. 

Jenelle is still the worst, but damn is she looking good. 

Leah looks 80, Cory looks like a serial killer, Kail looks like she hates her husband. 

[Phoebe70]

11 hours ago, DNR said:

  We only ever see her use 2 baby items with the Roll : 1) his highchair.   2) his crib .  You never see him in a walker , bouncy gym ,  no toys . 

LOL.  I recall a recent episode where Janelle was once again ignoring the Roll, and he was climbing on top of a box holding a large plastic sword.  Probably Jace's.  It did not seem appropriate for someone who is Roll's age, but that doesn't surprise me with Janelle.  Next he'll be playing with scissors, a bong  and a Bic lighter.

[truelovekiss]

36 minutes ago, Mkay said:

I forget how it was used in context but I assumed it was Javi's mom aka housekeeper/live in babysitter.  

I thought it was like  a baby name/nickname for Isaac?

[Ljohnson1987]

Leah went to the same rehab that Catelynn in Teen Mom OG went to.

[leighroda]

I feel like if I remember correctly Isaac calling Javi dad came up before Lincoln was born... I think it was discussed at that point... If Jo is ok with it I guess it's none of my business, but there is no way Kail would be ok with Vee being mommy...and to be fair I'm not sure if I had kids if I would be ok with it either so that's not a direct slam on Kail (for once) 

i dont understand of all people Dave being the 3rd person, he is way too partial, and basically Jenelle is still doing whatever she wants as far as crap talk, but Nathan can't say/do what he wants.  At one point it literally looked like Jenelle was just texting on Dave's phone. I see Nathan not wanting Jenelle to know where he lives as him holding on to the tiny grain of power he has in this whole situation.  I don't want to sound like a Nathan apologist, because I don't think anyone is handling anything right, but in this situation as is he really doesn't have much power and Jenelle loves it.  

This may be really off topic because it's in relation to the special that was shown after, but did anyone else laugh at the Miley Cyrus defense??  Jenelle going to a concert does NOT give you a pass to do whatever you want!! And the fact she KNEW she was speeding and she didn't care at all annoys the crap out of me.

[truelovekiss]

7 hours ago, AhFillAck said:

Gee, how nice of David to not want Jenelle to get her feelings hurt by Nathan. "Anything he needs to say to you should only be about Kaiser. He can call me and talk to you, or he can call me and talk to me and I'll talk to you." Control, control, control. CREEEEEEPY.

Nathan's lawyer rolling her eyes made me laugh out loud.

David is a classic controlling douchebag boyfriend. He's integrating himself into every facet of her life. She's always had boyfriends "fight" Barbara for her. Now she wants Dave to be the go between for her and Nathan. I think it's an ego thing, where even if they're arguing about the place and time for the Kaiser drop off, she'll act like they're vying for her love.

Nathan's lawyer looked like she thought the free advertising and legal fees she was getting would not be worth this mess.

7 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Both Leah and Cory are equally responsible for making sure Ali uses her wheelchair. Leah appears to have selective memory because I don't recall Dr. Tsao saying Ali needed to walk as much as possible. If anything, I thought it was the opposite.

 

Can somebody please run a comb through Paislee's hair? 

Both Corey and Leah have said things like "use it or lose it," in reference to Ali-girl's muscles. As if the advice of a specialist is comparable to a rhyming idiom.

Paislee always looks disheveled. But when we see her, she's always with Adam so I think that answers that.

[ghoulina]

29 minutes ago, Chicken Wing said:

Have Kailyn and Javi ever tried to sit Isaac down and explain to him, really explain, as best for a six-year-old to hear, what his job is and where he goes? There's no reason for him to think Javi is going to be dying of thirst in the desert while alligators chase him. Side note, I like that they make special kids books about having daddy away in the military, and Kail got one to read to the boys

I really haven't seen anything that leads me to believe Kail and Javi aren't handling his situation in the best way. They're telling him Javi is away for "work", which I think is sufficient, considering his age. He doesn't need to know too much about war or ISIS, etc. I think the fact that she's reading books like that, shows she is handling it in a healthy way. They can't say on TV where Javi is, so I'm sure they can't air a lot of the conversations. As for Isaac coming up with alligators and dying of thirst - just sounds like a typical creative kid. My oldest is like that, his imagination is CRAZY. You wouldn't believe half of the stuff he comes up with all on his own. Perhaps Kail tried to explain to him the type of environment that Javi is in, and his mind just ran with it. 

 

10 minutes ago, leighroda said:

i dont understand of all people Dave being the 3rd person, he is way too partial, and basically Jenelle is still doing whatever she wants as far as crap talk, but Nathan can't say/do what he wants.

Not only is he super partial, but he's known her all of five minutes

[Mkay]

This is about the after show: Kail and Chelsea were saying they should ask Isaac how they look if they want honesty, he'll tell you. Chelsea says she asks Kail for her opinion because she knows Kail will be truthful. Why didn't Chelsea or Isaac tell Kail how ridiculous her lips look?! I can't look at anything else the whole episode. It's terrible!

[AmyFarrahFowler]

11 hours ago, charmed1 said:

Is Adam allowing Donald Trump to comb Paislee's hair? Is Adderall combing Nathan's?

OMG shut UP Jenelle! She and David Gump sat there like two 12 year olds texting some boy they liked from 5th period. And you might want to learn how old the child is that you want custody of, Nathan.

Leah...sigh. The wheelchair. Why tell all the girls there's a surprise if the surprise is only for one kid? And WTF at telling Ali to walk as much as she can and use the wheelchair sometimes. Way to go completely against the doctors orders.

Every time I see barefoot L'il Elmyra reach out her grubby little hands to throw around that poor cat, I want to drive to WV and rescue it.

I am ROARING at 'David Gump'. You have won my interwerbz today!

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, Radrum said:

Jenelle is still the worst, but damn is she looking good. 

It pains me to say it, but physically Jenelle looks great. I like the dark hair on her and how it contrasts with her eyes. Even Leah and Victoria cleaned up pretty well this episode and they're usually a mess.

Regarding Adam and the child support, I love how he's acting like Chelsea can just walk in to court, demand a figure and have it granted.

I thought Chelsea's wedding venue looked nice, but something in the woods like that will be awfully buggy in the summer. All I could think of was mosquitos and Lyme disease.

[Maire]

Jace sending Kaiser down that slide contraption unsupervised! The camera sees all Janelle.

[Abmis]

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The girlses sure seemed underwhelmed by Leah's good news.  Lots of "I love you"  was flying around, but I didn't hear anyone yell, "Yippee, more time at mommy and Uncle TR's house."

Nathan would have impressed his lawyer more if he'd been able to remember Kaiser's age.  Why does Kaiser need a highchair?  He can just sit on a pot like Addy did. It was nice to see Jace and Kaiser playing together.  I hope they somehow manage to forge a relationship out of the mess they were born into.   Judging from the previews, it looks like Dave's true colors will show next week.

Lincoln hugging Isaac was so cute.  Kail hit the jackpot in the cute kids department.

I was lol at Mary getting stuck in the snow.  It happens to the best of us.  I love it when they show snippets of real life.  I find that so much more entertaining than watching Adam's friend of the week asking him about his feelings.  Chelsea and Cole were so cute when they were dancing.  The Black Hills are beautiful in the fall, and that looked like a nice place for a wedding.

[MaggieG]

Jenelle: "I wish there was a third person to act like a mediator so I don't have to deal with him" or whatever she said when they were talking about David bringing Kaiser to see Nathan. Here is a wild and crazy idea jenelle, don't have a kid with some random dude you barely know! She angers me so much!

Chelsea's mom getting stuck in the snow was hilarious, as was Isaac being worried about alligators. He is so precious. 

I can't anymore with Adam. He thinks he's the world's best everything. Barf. 

[Primetimer]

Everyone's on a slippery slope -- just like Kaiser, who's careening toward the street, unsupervised.

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