S08.E04: BBQ, Brunch Or Bust

[Tara Ariano]

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A Hamptons weekend continues, with the ladies arriving at Bethenny's house, John preparing to apologize to Bethenny and Bethenny basking in birthday behavior. Also, Carole and LuAnn discuss their issues. Later, Jules hosts a brunch, yet dramas emerge.

[druzy]

John shouldn't have gone to the BBQ and Bethenny & Carole shouldn't have gone to the brunch. 

[bichonblitz]

Bethenny's party looked like loads of fun. Everybody standing around in their own little cliques and looking miserable. Happy Birthday, Bethenny! 

[Baltimore Betty]

Bethenny is a terrible guest, Jules should be less than taken with her but I got to side with Beth on the renovations, a seven year project? Really?  Jules's husband mentioned that he kept changing his mind about the bar in the indoor pool so maybe that is what is slowing down the process. Changing his mind every day about the renovations makes me think his contractor and architects are just collecting money and not steering the client to a clear vision/plan.  I held up the process of new kitchen cabinets because I hated the pulls I originally chose, it was only 2 days delay, lol.  Having gotten new all floors last month started to make me crazy always having dust and dirt and workmen in my house everyday, Jules must not spend much time in that house. 

John has no idea why Bethenny feels so awkward, the booze made him forget how awful he was at the bra party.  Bethenny should have repeated some the things he said when they were having their private talk. 

As usual Ramona reminded us that she is single and Saturday night is prime time so she had to leave the party...I thought Beth's party was 12-5, how early does Ramona get her drink on in that town?

 

[Almost 3000]

Bethenny throws Mary Richards' parties. From the Way Back Machine, The Mary Tyler Moore Show's character always threw bad parties no matter what she did. The elements were right but the parties always fell flat. That's how I feel about B's parties.

[Baltimore Betty]

You are right about her Mary Richards' parties, at least this one did not end with awkward table dancing. 

[islandgal140]

Just when you think Bethenny can’t possibly get any worse as a person she just pole vaults over the high bar like she was wearing a jet pack. What a rude, miserable, petty, self involved nasty piece of work. She has always claimed to have been raised by wolves but I wish the wolves of the world would unite to sue her ass.  Hell, there are instances where even a wolf can be tamed and domesticated. Nastiness is too hard wired in Bethenny for that. I say she is more alligator or shark basically  instinctually unchanged as evolved from their prehistoric forefathers.

You just don’t act that way towards an invited guest no matter what issues you have with them. John not wanting to re-hash is not an indication of him not remembering Bethenny. Also, he did say what he was apologizing for at the beginning. Coming in to the bra event and acting a fool. He just didn’t want to be drawn back in and was trying to follow the advice of his girlfriend and Jules and not have their conversation descend into anything argument which B seemed to be spoiling for. He backslid a little but tried to correct course.  John isn’t perfect and he is not movie star handsome but the way she (and even Carole) take about how gross and misshapen his is? Come the fuck on. If he had bank, I bet they wouldn’t be going so hard at him. 

Only thing worse than B alone is B and Carole together. How rude and nasty to someone they just recently met? B was being so undercover shady about her house. Saying it was far, not close to any markets, you can get a lot of bang for your buck in that area, it was a McMansion. Her way of saying it wasn’t in the rich, central heartland of the Hamptons but rather on the outskirts and not as desirable and expensive. Also, there is no way on Gawd’s green earth that the construction of Jules and her husband’’s home is in any way comparable to Simon and Alex.  You tried, but girl bye!

Carole never looked or acted as ugly to me as she did this episode.  Speaking of Dorinda trying to sell John, I wish the show and the girls would stop trying to sell Carole as some super cool, laid back Sex and the City gal that they all want to have sex with. She must have the kavorka (Seinfeld) and it is only effective in person because it sure ain’t translating on my screen. MMV.

Carole thinks Luanne is juvenile for that hula hoop thing she did at the party?  Miss ride her 20 something year old boyfriend’s bike handles, accept strange drug filled candies at a Halloween party from a stranger at a hipster joint on your first date, sitting on store counters dangling her legs asking her boyfriend on a scale of 1-10 how much he was gonna miss her with a cup full of dog shit thinks Luann is juvenile?  Carole take the beam out of your own eye.

Glad to see Luann folding back into the group and next week looks like Sonja does too. I won’t lie that Luann was extra on twitter but Carole don’t act like you didn’t clap back with a whole mess of slut shaming! Also, didn’t Carole tweet a nip slip pic of Luann?

[ZaldamoWilder]

4 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Bethenny is a terrible guest, Jules should be less than taken with her but I got to side with Beth on the renovations, a seven year project? Really?  Jules's husband mentioned that he kept changing his mind about the bar in the indoor pool so maybe that is what is slowing down the process. Changing his mind every day about the renovations makes me think his contractor and architects are just collecting money and not steering the client to a clear vision/plan.  I held up the process of new kitchen cabinets because I hated the pulls I originally chose, it was only 2 days delay, lol.  Having gotten new all floors last month started to make me crazy always having dust and dirt and workmen in my house everyday, Jules must not spend much time in that house. 

John has no idea why Bethenny feels so awkward, the booze made him forget how awful he was at the bra party.  Bethenny should have repeated some the things he said when they were having their private talk. 

As usual Ramona reminded us that she is single and Saturday night is prime time so she had to leave the party...I thought Beth's party was 12-5, how early does Ramona get her drink on in that town?

 

Lol.  The Hamptons to Manhattan is a 2 hour drive on good day.  Add that it's Saturday and she basically had to leave as soon as she got there if she were gonna get ready in time for a 7 o'clock date Lol.   Ramona's body is sick.   But what I really wanna know is what it costs to maintain that skin, there's not an iota of neck waddle.

That was the most unnecessarily awkward thing I've seen in a while.   I've put a good bit of the bickering behind me too so can anyone please fill me in on what LuAnn wants an apology for? I mean if you're gonna go that hard about being wronged shouldn't you have the reasons right on the tip of your tongue?  Where was that Carole at the reunion?  She should've started by paying her dust, that's the only way to deal with a heffa like the Countess.  Then her reason for not apologizing was "she didn't let me" {{headtilt}} bish, huh?  Let you?  If you're sorry, the first words out of your mouth are I'm sorry.   FOH.

Beth running from John all day was flat the hell out ridiculous.   How exactly do you avoid a person who's at your house with only 12 other damb guests there?  Then the rat-a-tat-tat when the guy is trying to say he's sorry.  Ugh.  Of course he doesn't know what the hell he's apologizing for, he's a dude Beth.  Explain calmly, accept graciously and then go about your business.  My 16 year old is more mature than these people.

[biakbiak]

Bethanny and Carole are rude, immature assholes.

[ghoulina]

So I need to preface this post by saying my satellite was acting up and I missed the first 10 minutes or so. So if anything happened then that might change my opinions on things, I apologize. 

Before I get into the heavy stuff, I thought B's little campfire party was a cute idea and most of the women looked adorable in their more casual clothing. 

I'm one of the few people left alive who still likes Bethenny, but even I was tired of some her behavior tonight. She was not being a very good hostess. She just stuck in her little group and didn't get up to greet people, didn't make rounds and see if anyone needed anything, etc. But I do get that she was trying to avoid John. I imagine that would have been incredibly uncomfortable. Just three days prior he was insulting her as a woman and throwing massive shade at how she started her business - and then here he is, hanging out in her backyard. She was really put in a hard place, because I believe she really does care for Dorinda, and it would be rude to just disinvite someone at the last minute. So....John really should have just left it alone. Or not come at all. I think Bethenny's issue is that she was still hot about the issue. She didn't want to talk to John, because she was afraid she'd blow up again. It was too soon. Again, John probably should have just stayed home. But I can buy that he was so blitzed he didn't even realize the extent of what he said, and therefore thought it could be smoothed over pretty quickly. Not the case. 

That being said, once Beth decided to "make up" for Dorinda's sake, she could have done a better job of it. She came off just like robot Ramona. And it was almost comical how she treated him exactly the same before and after smoothing things over! Oh well, John is creepy, so I don't give a fuck. 

Carole really served it up to Luann! I loved it! The best line of the night was when Lu said, "You can't just keep avoiding me" and Carole replied - "Actually, I can". Lu seems to have even worse amnesia than John. I loved her gobsmacked look when Carole called her out on EVERY thing she had done, and Lu could not come up with a response. If she truly did call (or insinuate) Carole a pedophile, that is just low low low. And I don't blame Carole for having nothing to do with her. I liked how she handled it - "We're not friends. We're never going to be friends. There's no need to make up. We can say hello, and then just leave each other be". Perfect. 

And LuAnn can stop acting like some poor pitiful outcast. "It was like the mean girl table, where they wouldn't let anyone sit down". There was literally NO where to sit at that table. What, should someone have sat on the grass? It's not their fault you showed up late with your hulahoop. 

There's something about Beth and Carole when they get together. I like them both individually. I even like them together alone. But when they pair up in a group, they do kind of revert to that high school, immature, catty mentality. I thought B should have piped down with her opinions about Jules's house, right though they may be. And the way they left was pretty tacky, even though I would have probably bailed early as well. They crack me up and they're fun to watch, but don't look to them for etiquette lessons any time soon!

At first glance I thought LuAnn's friend, Paul, was Stephen Collins of Seventh Heaven fame. Eeeek!

[Maire]

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Bethenny throws Mary Richards' parties. From the Way Back Machine, The Mary Tyler Moore Show's character always threw bad parties no matter what she did. The elements were right but the parties always fell flat. That's how I feel about B's parties.

I adore this reference. Sue Ann Niven would not stand for this. Thank God John didn't take too many servings of the Veal Prince Olaf!!

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She must have the kavorka (Seinfeld) and it is only effective in person because it sure ain’t translating on my screen. MMV.

Perfection.

[Mozelle]

22 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

That was the most unnecessarily awkward thing I've seen in a while.   I've put a good bit of the bickering behind me too so can anyone please fill me in on what LuAnn wants an apology for? I mean if you're gonna go that hard about being wronged shouldn't you have the reasons right on the tip of your tongue?  Where was that Carole at the reunion?  She should've started by paying her dust, that's the only way to deal with a heffa like the Countess.  Then her reason for not apologizing was "she didn't let me" {{headtilt}} bish, huh?  Let you?  If you're sorry, the first words out of your mouth are I'm sorry.   FOH.

Beth running from John all day was flat the hell out ridiculous.   How exactly do you avoid a person who's at your house with only 12 other damb guests there?  Then the rat-a-tat-tat when the guy is trying to say he's sorry.  Ugh.  Of course he doesn't know what the hell he's apologizing for, he's a dude Beth.  Explain calmly, accept graciously and then go about your business.  My 16 year old is more mature than these people.

I'm not certain what LuAnn was talking about either. LuAnn doesn't even know what she was talking about. She started off with some, "We both said and did..." then when pressed couldn't actually say what it was that Carole had said or done to her. I have to say, though, that it's funny that people keep trying to act like Carole and LuAnn were the best of friends. Bethenny said it last episode, and I was like, "Wait. Carole and LuAnn were nice to each other for one season because they're both friends with Heather, and they wanted to make Heather happy." Like, them being cordial doesn't mean that they were BFFs. But Bethenny loves thinking that she's a know-it-all.

Speaking of, I liked what Jules had to say about Bethenny in her THs. I wished she'd said it to Bethenny's face, but alas. 

Bethenny is a rude, know-it-all. That whole situation at her house should not have happened (I'm not sure why Dorinda thought it would be a good idea to have him with her), but it did and, despite her protestations to the contrary, Bethenny was reveling in all that awkward BS. When she finally spoke to John and asked him what uneducated things she had said, I said (to no one since I live alone), "Oh, how about saying that you relate to Black women because you're loud"? I'm just so over Bethenny Frankel.

[abbottrabbit]

I feel like so much of the first half of the show was just watching people try to avoid each other that I tuned out and was only 1/4 watching by the time any actual conflict occurred. 

That said: it made sense when Bethenny referred to John's scarf at the bra party as a "Snoopy scarf," (because Snoopy does wear a scarf when he's fighting the Red Baron) but did she call his outfit this time Snoopy again or Scooby Doo? Either way, I don't get it. Neither of those dogs even wear clothes, fool. 

Is Jules going to wear that fucking JULES necklace in every scene of every show? Those things are only even half cute when they're discreet, and that one is not. Does she realize they put her name on the little chyron on the screen? 

[Gaily]

Ghoulina, I totally agree -- I love Bethenny and Carole but not together sometimes. I thought they were very rude to Jules in her own home -- gossiping about her alleged eating disorder when she is within earshot is mean and juvenile. These are middle-aged ladies -- not the seventh grade mean girls who don't know any better.  Also, agree with Islandgal that Bethenny should have kept her cool around John, who as a guest at her home, did not deserve bad treatment. Now, according to Bethenny's Twitter, something else that we do NOT know about happened between her and John -- and that is reason he got her cold shoulder. She tweeted that the story is "evolving" and that it will come out in forthcoming episodes so we shall see.

On another note, I love Bethenny's house -- love the gray shingled, cozy ambiance.  I also loved her outfit at the party.  She might be a pill sometimes but she does have impeccable taste.

LOL about LuAnn's friend Paul looking like Stephen Collins!  Brian Moylan (who does the RHNY recaps on Vulture) said that Paul looked like the doctor on the soap opera that his grandma used to watch --which is an archetypal Stephan Collins look --- you know, tall, handsome, square-jawed but conservative.

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, druzy said:

John shouldn't have gone to the BBQ and Bethenny & Carole shouldn't have gone to the brunch. 

Can you manage these people's lives, please? It really is that simple. 

[biakbiak]

Bethenny said it last episode, and I was like, "Wait. Carole and LuAnn were nice to each other for one season because they're both friends with Heather, and they wanted to make Heather happy." Like, them being cordial doesn't mean that they were BFFs. But Bethenny loves thinking that she's a know-it-all.

 

Apparently they became quite close between the filming of season 6 and 7 and Carole spent a ton of time with Luann in the Hamptons.

[ZaldamoWilder]

Ghoulina, I'm on the minority vote bench with you girl.  I started out liking Beth and I still do, but last night was too Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide When the Rainbow is Enough (Mo maybe this is how she's like a black woman lol).    Girl staaahp.  The drama, the hammering.  Even the way she finally addressed him was stupid as hell.  I'm gonna actively ignore you for the next two hours then march up to you and announce that it's obvious you want to talk, let's go.  Fuck?  I appreciate her hustle so I think I can understand why she was so offended but I don't if it's the divorce or the wolf rearing or stress from the one woman show of it all but she has to find a way not keep her ass on her shoulders all. the. time.  It's exhausting just to look at.

[TV Diva Queen]

1 hour ago, Almost 3000 said:

Bethenny throws Mary Richards' parties. From the Way Back Machine, The Mary Tyler Moore Show's character always threw bad parties no matter what she did. The elements were right but the parties always fell flat. That's how I feel about B's parties.

you win the internet today!!!  

[ghoulina]

Just now, biakbiak said:

Apparently they became quite close between the filming of season 6 and 7 and Carole spent a ton of time with Luann in the Hamptons.

Yes, I was under the impression that it wasn't JUST because of Heather, that all three of them got quite close and had their individual friendships going over the summer. It really did seem to get ruined when Lu pitched her fit over Adam. 

[butterly17]

Carole and Bethany are insufferable.

[BlackMamba]

Bethenny and Carole were the worst things in this episode.   Total mean girls. They came in Jules home and had the nerve to talk about her weight (AGAIN).   Then,   oh,  let's not forget Bethenny is now real estate expert now and judging Jules home.   Bethenny was a horrible guest.  

Then she also was a horrible host to her own bday party.   Bethenny should get the memo by now that anywhere Dorinda goes,  John will most likely be there too.   I feel for Dorinda because all she wants is to keep her man and have her friendships too, but,  the high and mighty wonders like Bethenny won't let that happen. 

Seems like next week Jules will finally come clean about her eating disorder which Bethenny will miraculously make it all about her!   Surprise!   The World According to Bethenny. 

[ghoulina]

9 minutes ago, abbottrabbit said:

That said: it made sense when Bethenny referred to John's scarf at the bra party as a "Snoopy scarf," (because Snoopy does wear a scarf when he's fighting the Red Baron) but did she call his outfit this time Snoopy again or Scooby Doo? Either way, I don't get it. Neither of those dogs even wear clothes, fool.

I think she was referencing the show in general - like his bright orange sweater looked like something you'd see the Peanuts gang wearing. It did seem a bit cartoonish, to me. 

 

12 minutes ago, Gaily said:

On another note, I love Bethenny's house -- love the gray shingled, cozy ambiance.  I also loved her outfit at the party.  She might be a pill sometimes but she does have impeccable taste.

Oh my gosh, love love love her house as well! I absolutely love red and her little touches of red are so cute. Her bar is rustic and fun, eff the city. I would live there full time. I thought her lumberjack outfit was cute as well. 

[Gaily]

Right?  And I loved the concept and idea of Bethenny's fall BBQ -- a crisp Fall day in the Hamptons, the fire pits going, those Moscow Mules and spiked hot chocolates looked divine. The BBQ food looked good and set in such a beautiful yet informal environment.  Too bad the host ruined her perfect party.

It is weird that Bethenny and Carole are ganging up on Jules so early in the series.  Wonder if it will come out that Jules' husband allegedly owned a porn entertainment company which he subsequently sold before he became a venture capitalist.  

[ZaldamoWilder]

23 minutes ago, abbottrabbit said:

I feel like so much of the first half of the show was just watching people try to avoid each other that I tuned out and was only 1/4 watching by the time any actual conflict occurred. 

That said: it made sense when Bethenny referred to John's scarf at the bra party as a "Snoopy scarf," (because Snoopy does wear a scarf when he's fighting the Red Baron) but did she call his outfit this time Snoopy again or Scooby Doo? Either way, I don't get it. Neither of those dogs even wear clothes, fool. 

Is Jules going to wear that fucking JULES necklace in every scene of every show? Those things are only even half cute when they're discreet, and that one is not. Does she realize they put her name on the little chyron on the screen? 

BWAHAAAAAA!!!

I see him trying to do the J. Crew thing and I want to give him credit for no lack of confidence to be able to pull it off.  But I can't.  It's like Fred Flintstone showed up at fashion week. 

[KFC]

Okay I won't rehash all the 101 ways Bethenny was awful in this episode, but I love those shots of her Hamptons house and she got in one of the best zingers last night with "Luann never misses an opportunity to do the wrong thing."

Okay broken clock, you were right twice that day.

I keep waiting for the season to start. It's felt so disjointed with contract-negotiating Lu and Sonja segregated from the rest of the group and with Ramona disappearing early for dates. The NY group really does work best when they're all together, IMO. Have there been any indications about where they're traveling this season?

[ElDosEquis]

My heart bleeds for beth's kid.

I can only imagine the fucking shit and mind games that kid is subject to - IF beth acts like a twat in front of and to grown ups, I can only imagine the fits, shouting and the things that poor child is going to have to put up with as she grows up. I hope she spends enough time with Jason to realize that ONE of her parents isn't a psychotic moron with no couth, manners or sense.

[archer1267]

Bethenny is just awful and I couldn't get over her behavior at Jules'. And I've defended Carole over her relationship with Adam, and the ghostwriter thing, but now I'm just over her. She had to leave the moment Luann showed up? Please. And sorry Jules didn't arrange to have someone else answer the door, Bethenny. Get over yourself.

[Baltimore Betty]

39 minutes ago, Maire said:

I adore this reference. Sue Ann Niven would not stand for this. Thank God John didn't take too many servings of the Veal Prince Olaf!!

Perfection.

Veal Prince Orlaf is a huge family joke with my sister and myself! Love the reference:)

[Almost 3000]

1 hour ago, islandgal140 said:

Carole never looked or acted as ugly to me as she did this episode.

I always suspected Carole was a mean girl and could use it to advance her social status. She's just now openly showing it. I've always liked Carole but have also acknowledged this side to her. I've been wondering how Heather feels about Carole this season...

[ZaldamoWilder]

2 minutes ago, archer1267 said:

Bethenny is just awful and I couldn't get over her behavior at Jules'. And I've defended Carole over her relationship with Adam, and the ghostwriter thing, but now I'm just over her. She had to leave the moment Luann showed up? Please. And sorry Jules didn't arrange to have someone else answer the door, Bethenny. Get over yourself.

Because we need to give her a minute to just breathe, to let it sit, to...it's too soon (to have him open a door)  {{hardrightsideye}}.  Didn't you say just yesterday you'd reached a civil level for Dorinda's sake? 

[thesupremediva1]

If you don't want to go to someone's home, do not go. That goes for John as well as Bethenny and Carole.

I would not want to try to make up with a hostess at her own party. That said, I'm sure producers instructed Dorinda to bring John. I highly doubt she'd make that move of her own volition. 

No hostess deserves to be made uncomfortable in her own home. However, a gracious hostess has two choices. Politely ask the person to leave so you can enjoy your birthday in your home, or make a commitment to burying the hatchet for the day. Treat your guests and their plus-ones with respect so no one feels out of place. B just couldn't make that leap. She punished John over and over again. It was clear that Beth didn't want an apology, she wanted to go another round so she could verbally pin John to the floor, get more air time, and feel superior in a room full of her followers. It was a prize fight and she was hosting in her own ring. She actually made me feel bad for John. Poor move, B.

The follow-up at Jules's house made her look even more petty and bitter. I would not be insulting someone's home and questioning their investment decisions the minute I walked in. If you are going to attend a brunch, stay for a reasonable amount of time, or stay home. Do not get there and make a spectacle of yourself by flitting about like an ADD-addled squirrel who can't find the nearest exit. Nothing about that party looked uncomfortable, so I'm not sure what B's problem could have been, except perhaps that she was feeling jealous and wanted to lash out on the very skinny girl with the beautiful husband and family.

Carole is totally B's puppet this season and it's not a good look for her. That said, I did enjoy her speaking truth to Luann. Not everyone has to be friends. You can call a friendship quits and be civil to the person at gatherings when you see each other. However, pouting like a 2-year-old when they walk in the room and seething with rage about them to anyone who will listen doesn't sound like you're "over it" - it sounds like you're harboring a grudge. So either take Lu up on her offer to hash it out, or let it go. You can't have it both ways, oh-so-cool-Carole who never wears a bra.

I miss Ramonja. These new pairings aren't doing it for me.

[izabella]

If I were these women, I'd never invite Bethenny to my home or to anything, ever.  But then they wouldn't be on screen at all, so I guess they have to suffer through her mouth to earn their paychecks.

I'm annoyed that this show has become the "world according to an Adderall-fueled harridan" and everyone has to kiss the harridan's ass and accept the harridan's stank personality or be off the show or get a bad edit.  If I had been Jules, I'd have asked her to leave and to take her unsolicited renovation criticisms with her, never to return.  "I'm sorry you're so uncomfortable in my 22,000 sq. ft. home.  Maybe it would be best if you go have brunch somewhere you aren't compelled to criticize your hosts."

[ElDosEquis]

22 minutes ago, Gaily said:

It is weird that Bethenny and Carole are ganging up on Jules so early in the series.  Wonder if it will come out that Jules' husband allegedly owned a porn entertainment company which he subsequently sold before he became a venture capitalist.  

Thank god it's porn and not the revenue from a strip club, imagine paying your bills with piles of singles?

[Slider]

I really like the addition on Jules, but seriously girl? We get it.  Your Jewish.

Does she always have to make a comment about kosher food before EVERY event?

[Raynedon]

1 hour ago, islandgal140 said:

Just when you think Bethenny can’t possibly get any worse as a person she just pole vaults over the high bar like she was wearing a jet pack. What a rude, miserable, petty, self involved nasty piece of work. She has always claimed to have been raised by wolves but I wish the wolves of the world would unite to sue her ass.  Hell, there are instances where even a wolf can be tamed and domesticated. Nastiness is too hard wired in Bethenny for that. I say she is more alligator or shark basically  instinctually unchanged as evolved from their prehistoric forefathers.

You just don’t act that way towards an invited guest no matter what issues you have with them. John not wanting to re-hash is not an indication of him not remembering Bethenny. Also, he did say what he was apologizing for at the beginning. Coming in to the bra event and acting a fool. He just didn’t want to be drawn back in and was trying to follow the advice of his girlfriend and Jules and not have their conversation descend into anything argument which B seemed to be spoiling for. He backslid a little but tried to correct course.  John isn’t perfect and he is not movie star handsome but the way she (and even Carole) take about how gross and misshapen his is? Come the fuck on. If he had bank, I bet they wouldn’t be going so hard at him. 

Only thing worse than B alone is B and Carole together. How rude and nasty to someone they just recently met? B was being so undercover shady about her house. Saying it was far, not close to any markets, you can get a lot of bang for your buck in that area, it was a McMansion. Her way of saying it wasn’t in the rich, central heartland of the Hamptons but rather on the outskirts and not as desirable and expensive. Also, there is no way on Gawd’s green earth that the construction of Jules and her husband’’s home is in any way comparable to Simon and Alex.  You tried, but girl bye!

Carole never looked or acted as ugly to me as she did this episode.  Speaking of Dorinda trying to sell John, I wish the show and the girls would stop trying to sell Carole as some super cool, laid back Sex and the City gal that they all want to have sex with. She must have the kavorka (Seinfeld) and it is only effective in person because it sure ain’t translating on my screen. MMV.

Carole thinks Luanne is juvenile for that hula hoop thing she did at the party?  Miss ride her 20 something year old boyfriend’s bike handles, accept strange drug filled candies at a Halloween party from a stranger at a hipster joint on your first date, sitting on store counters dangling her legs asking her boyfriend on a scale of 1-10 how much he was gonna miss her with a cup full of dog shit thinks Luann is juvenile?  Carole take the beam out of your own eye.

Glad to see Luann folding back into the group and next week looks like Sonja does too. I won’t lie that Luann was extra on twitter but Carole don’t act like you didn’t clap back with a whole mess of slut shaming! Also, didn’t Carole tweet a nip slip pic of Luann?

 Islandgal, you took the words right out of my mouth (and said them so much more clearly and cleverly than I ever could have).  I copied your whole comment because it was so good, I thought it warranted being repeated.  Thank you!   I've never encountered anyone IRL life like Bethenny - and hope I never do.  lol 

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, ElDosEquis said:

Mary Richards wasn't a raging See U Next Tuesday in a sidecar, like beth comes off as?

That said?

She needs someone to punch her in the head. Just one time - when she shoots off her mouth - I'd like to see one of the HWs reel off and hit her. Somewhere, someplace, something broke in the woman and it will never be fixed. 

Everyday people are stuck in situations where they have to be gracious and show that they are grown-ups and have learned to play without anyone having to supervise them. That fucking bitch just 'yells you down' - like ill mannered trash - and because people have more smarts and manners than she does? They back down.

The people who think they can win an argument with her are just as fucked up.

I mean Beth really doesn't believe that she has to show ANY amount of manners AT ALL! I just can't with her. I saw her nasty meanspirited side the first season I watched the show. I started on season 2 when Kelly joined the cast so I was able to see Beth in her truest light (cause she was all over Kelly like white on rice straight out the gate). Now I know that people don't like Kelly but Beth was already talking about her in a catty way before they even had their official meeting. Beth is such a despicable person it's unreal.

[Jel]

B was a definite hostess fail at her party re: John. But sheesh, in the previous epi he really did go to town with the insults and personal attacks -- very mean spirited, very personal, very cut to the quick.  So, I can see why she would not feel exactly welcoming to him in her home.  Still an awkward, embarrassing hostess fail, but one that  I can understand to some degree.

Edited April 28, 2016 by Jel
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[Yours Truly]

34 minutes ago, Almost 3000 said:

I always suspected Carole was a mean girl and could use it to advance her social status. She's just now openly showing it. I've always liked Carole but have also acknowledged this side to her. I've been wondering how Heather feels about Carole this season...

I never did like Carole because ever since her first season she's had this undertone of being better. Heather camoflagued it a bit but Carole has a self centeredness about her that bothers me and I never can get on board with people who can't be bothered to acknowledge other people's feelings. Her way is more to shrug shit off like it's not that serious instead of acting with some humanity and validating someone's hurt. It's like her life is all about eye rolls and not taking anything too seriously and if you do then you're the fool and she can't be bothered. I mean shit. Sometimes you just have to say, "well I don't understand it but damn if you feel that way then let me take a minute to reevaluate" but instead she's all Oh well, get over it. I don't like dismissive people. To me that's lazy and selfish.

[ghoulina]

4 minutes ago, Jel said:

B was a definite hostess fail at her party re: John. But sheesh, in the previous he really did go to town with the insults and personal attacks -- very mean spirited, very personal, very cut to the quick.  So, I can see why she would feel exactly welcoming to him in her home.  Still an awkward, embarrassing hostess fail, but one that  I can understand to some degree.

Yea, he's horrible and it was an intimate setting in her own home, so I can totally understand why she felt so uncomfortable. Some people are better at faking it than others. B is just not one of those people. Personally, I don't really care if John felt out of place and awkward, but I think B could have made more of an attempt to mingle with everyone else. She was isolating herself, ostensibly to hide from John, which I get. But it made the party seem very cliquish. If I were her, i probably would have addressed the elephant in the room right away, then he wouldn't stalk her for the rest of the event, and it might have been more relaxing. 

[The Mighty Peanut]

I'm over Cool Carol. She's just as bad as Lu and 100 times as self-righteous. She pulled the same bullshit housewife move they all do--she didn't say mean things to Lu, she only retweeted things that fans said that were mean to Lu. For months. When will these women and the average American tween understand that a retweet is an endorsement? 

Edited April 28, 2016 by The Mighty Peanut

[jnymph]

2 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

 

Carole thinks Luanne is juvenile for that hula hoop thing she did at the party?  Miss ride her 20 something year old boyfriend’s bike handles, accept strange drug filled candies at a Halloween party from a stranger at a hipster joint on your first date, sitting on store counters dangling her legs asking her boyfriend on a scale of 1-10 how much he was gonna miss her with a cup full of dog shit thinks Luann is juvenile?  Carole take the beam out of your own eye.

 

BWAH !  So much this.  I thought the exact same thing.   I am not a huge Luanne fan, but shut up Miss Judgy Wudgy Carole.  (unintentional Sex and the City reference there.   She is NOT Carrie Bradshaw.  Nope.  Never.) 

Also, what happened to Carole's other dog, "Margaret"?   Did she trade her in for "Baby"?    Used to like this skinny bitch, but not anymore (Carole. Not Margaret.  I still like Margaret.) 

Edited April 28, 2016 by jnymph

[AbsoluteShower]

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Bethenny is a terrible guest, Jules should be less than taken with her but I got to side with Beth on the renovations, a seven year project? Really?  Jules's husband mentioned that he kept changing his mind about the bar in the indoor pool so maybe that is what is slowing down the process. Changing his mind every day about the renovations makes me think his contractor and architects are just collecting money and not steering the client to a clear vision/plan.  I held up the process of new kitchen cabinets because I hated the pulls I originally chose, it was only 2 days delay, lol.  Having gotten new all floors last month started to make me crazy always having dust and dirt and workmen in my house everyday, Jules must not spend much time in that house. 
 

They are obviously graduates of the Kim & Kanye School Of Eternal House Renovation. Also not a fan of Jules' husband's gelled back hair look. He looks like a coke dealing extra from Miami Vice.

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[Darva6]

5 minutes ago, sharkfan said:

Also not a fan of Jules' husband's gelled back hair look. He looks like a coke dealing extra from Miami Vice.

Oooo, good call! He totally does!

[izabella]

21 minutes ago, jnymph said:

Also, what happened to Carole's other dog, "Margaret"?   Did she trade her in for "Baby"?    Used to like this skinny bitch, but not anymore (Carole. Not Margaret.  I still like Margaret.) 

I think Margaret was her neighbor's dog that she borrowed for filming.  Or was that "her" dog that lives somewhere in California?  We did see an episode where she went to her Cali place and there was a dog there she was passing off as her own, right?

Anyway, Carole seems to have zero story line except for Baby's poop, and living up in B's ass, so I've already written her off and try to ff as soon as Dog Poop (my pet name for Carole this season) shows up.

(I love dogs and have nothing against dog poop except when it's the only thing someone on a reality show has to bring, in a coffee cup no less).

Edited April 28, 2016 by izabella

[bosawks]

For the first time ever I felt shame watching The Real HoWives.

I liked John's orange 3/4 zip pullover.  There, I said it....

[izabella]

I like John's pullover, too.  I have a similar one that I received as a thank you gift for helping out during a charity golf outing - I got to pick it out for myself from the pro shop.  It's a GREAT color on brunettes! 

[Yours Truly]

The thing about Carole and Lu is this. Now I get that Lu was ridiculous last season. Got it. However it is driving me insane the way Carole STILLS tries to act like there was absolutely NO reason for Lu's awkward crappy behavior last season. Whether or not the timelines support Lu's discomfort with the Carole/Adam situation is over and done with. I personally believe it was mainly about that cause what else was there for Carole and Lu to have a fall out to that degree? I got so fucking frustrated with all the but no, that's not how it was, but no Lu was just fine, but no this that and the other. I do not believe that Lu manufactured that awkwardness just for shits and giggles or even for a storyline. I just think that the more dismissive Carole became of everyone's feeling besides hers and Adams the more stank Lu became on twitter. That's all. It seemed like a average progression to me but anyhoo. It really bugs that Carole just can't seem to acknowledge where the whole situation would be at the very least uncomfortable and awkward. Even to this day Carole can't acknowledge that feelings were raw, the timing wasn't good and the issue was sensitive but all she could do throughout the season was be all offended that her little affair ™LVP wasn't received better. I mean I get it Lu didn't handle it well at all but Carole's callous disregard really spoke volumes for me. And now she's still huffing and puffing like all that matters is that Princess Carole reeling from the attack.. Oh the horror. She must have PTSD for all that the Countess put her through.. See now this is what's truly eyeroll worthy.. Gaaaahhhh!

One other point. I am so sick of Carole speaking for Adam or countering something someone said he did as if just because he's said one thing there is ABSOLUTELY no way anything other than your version is true. Hey be in his corner all you want but I hate how she's always speaking with such conviction about things that at the very least might not be exactly how he's relayed it to you. It's this juvenille immaturity that drives me bat shit when it comes to this woman. Why? because her whole schtick is about how hip and with it she is as well as being this high profile Journalist and author but she can't possibly entertain the idea that maybe she's not as informed as she thinks she is? I'm so tired of her and her buck gums and teeth!

Edited April 28, 2016 by Yours Truly

[shoegal]

IMO John, upon arriving at the party, should have immediately taken Bethenny aside and apologized.  I feel like he is entirely to blame for the awkwardness and it was obvious that he didn't want to apologize for anything, which really makes me think he shouldn't have come at all.  I appreciated that Bethenny finally took the high road and made nice for Dorinda, it's too bad that the man who claims to love her so much didn't have the balls.

I loved the way Carole handled LuAnn by not letting her squirm out of anything.  I always agreed with Bethenny that LuAnn is a snake.  I'm also glad to see that her hard drinking, smoking, partying ways are catching up to her.  The Countess is looking rough. 

...and Jules?  Oh dear.  You could drive a truck through her thighs.  She needed a bagel or three.  I'm interested to see where this goes, as clearly there is "an issue" going on with Jules.  You aren't the only one who sees the flashing red signs, B.

[Zizzlezazzle]

I'm reminded of Beth's Season 2 (or 3?) walk over the Brooklyn Bridge with Ramona, when Ramona told her that she had no friends because she pushed everyone in her life away and that she'd probably push Jason away too. It was a cruel comment, but wrong? Clearly, not.

The fact is, Beth doesn't know how to NOT act like a calculating, ungracious mean girl, in all of her relationships. If she's not Head Bitch In Charge or someone's existence doesn't directly benefit her, there's no need to keep that person in her life.

Yes, B, John is an ass and showed his big time during the bra party. But now he's in your home, and Dorinda is already beyond mortified with the situation, so cut her some slack and welcome him right off the bat, even if you don't mean it, and even if you don't speak to him the rest of the party. A few initial nice, if stilted, remarks to him right when he got there could have gone a very long way and not put him so on guard the whole time and chasing her around trying to make amends. SHE made that party an awkward disaster, and has nobody to blame for setting that tone but herself.

Even if she wants to argue that other damning events unfolded with John and that he didn't deserve her good graces, what the hell did Jules do to her?! There is never a reason to go to someone's home and behave like that. 

I'm not hopeful that Beth watches these episodes and cringes, but I sure did.