The Duggars: In the Media and TLC

[Albanyguy]

3 hours ago, Meow Mix said:

 

 

3 hours ago, Meow Mix said:

Consider that the source is Lori Alexander.  I love how she just glosses over what the felon was up to while Jinger was growing up in this supposedly perfect home.

She's nuttier and more self-righteous that Michelle Duggar and Jill Rodrigues combined - with a side order of Zsuzsanna Anderson.

Edited January 21, 2023 by Albanyguy

[madpsych78]

2 hours ago, wilsie said:

What has she even read that Jinger wrote? From her article: "Jinger said with the help of her brother-in-law, who I assume is Derrick, Jill’s husband, she was able to see clearly many things that were wrong about her childhood." How could she have missed it was Ben? We all know it was Ben and we're not trying to make a fundie point.  

I am DYING that Lori thought it was Derick. Of course she did. I mean I get it because Jill's the one who has more vocally stepped away compared to Jessa, but Jeremy was soooo much closer to Ben than to Derick. 

[Salacious Kitty]

13 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

I am DYING that Lori thought it was Derick. Of course she did. I mean I get it because Jill's the one who has more vocally stepped away compared to Jessa, but Jeremy was soooo much closer to Ben than to Derick. 

It just shows that Lori has no business writing anything about these people. 

[GeeGolly]

3 hours ago, wilsie said:

What has she even read that Jinger wrote? From her article: "Jinger said with the help of her brother-in-law, who I assume is Derrick, Jill’s husband, she was able to see clearly many things that were wrong about her childhood." How could she have missed it was Ben? We all know it was Ben and we're not trying to make a fundie point.  

She says the reason is this ⬇️, which we all know is not true.

Her sister, Jill, and her cousin, Amy, are the only ones who praised her on her Instagram. Both of these women also came out against the ways Jim Bob and Michelle raised their children.

Jill has repeatedly said she believes in the way she was raised and is raising her boys in much the same way.

[Salacious Kitty]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

She says the reason is this ⬇️, which we all know is not true.

Her sister, Jill, and her cousin, Amy, are the only ones who praised her on her Instagram. Both of these women also came out against the ways Jim Bob and Michelle raised their children.

Jill has repeatedly said she believes in the way she was raised and is raising her boys in much the same way.

As I said, Lori is clueless. Jill may have left Gorhardism, but she still believes in shit like Instant Obedience. 

[merylinkid]

She also skips over Gothard.  I"I know what he was accused of and maybe he shouldn't have been teaching."  Uh then that is whole problem with Gothardism 

[quarks]

6 hours ago, leighdear said:

So there's still no REAL, factual information, nobody legitimately involved is talking and Netflix doesn't have any updated documentation or comments. 

To me, it sounds like the project was either scrapped totally or back-burnered, no matter how fervently people want to believe it's coming out soon. 

Right now, EVERYTHING IN THE ARTICLE IS SPECULATION. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/an-amazon-documentary-might-shed-light-on-the-duggar-family-s-secrets/ar-AA16zidX?

This is an Amazon project, not a Netflix project. 

And speaking as someone who has worked with Amazon Studio productions, I can say that the process is somewhat different than with other Hollywood studios/networks, if only because Amazon isn't just the producer; it is also the distributor/broadcaster/retailer for its productions. Because of this, Amazon Studios is not cagey when things are scrapped totally or backburnered, so I doubt either is happening here.

BUT, as with other Hollywood studio productions, everyone involved is under a major NDA, so will not be talking without direct authorization from Amazon - regardless of whether the show is in the initial stages, post production, or getting launched tomorrow.

In this particular case, I can think of at least two reasons why Amazon might be telling everyone to shut up for now:

1. They want to ensure that any "shocking reveals" are revealed just a few days before the launch of the show, to get people to tune in. (See, the recent example of Prince Harry, where "OMG DID YOU HEAR ABOUT" tidbits were released just before the Netflix documentary and then again just before the book release. Result: the Netflix documentary apparently got great numbers and the book is one of the most successful memoirs in recent history.) 

2. And they have to verify said "shocking reveals" prior to any promo campaign/launch of the show; I have no doubts that Amazon will be able to win any defamation lawsuit, but I also have no doubts that the company would like to avoid those, if possible.

[Gemma Violet]

1 hour ago, quarks said:

And speaking as someone who has worked with Amazon Studio productions, I can say that the process is somewhat different than with other Hollywood studios/networks, if only because Amazon isn't just the producer; it is also the distributor/broadcaster/retailer for its productions. Because of this, Amazon Studios is not cagey when things are scrapped totally or backburnered, so I doubt either is happening here.

Thanks for the info.  I had kind of forgotten about this project.  Here's hoping we won't have to wait too much longer.  Jim Bob will blow his stack, especially coming on the heels of Jinger's book.  

[Bethany]

Just now, Gemma Violet said:

Jim Bob will blow his stack, especially coming on the heels of Jinger's book.  

I look forward to this.

[floridamom]

I would like to watch this documentary about the IBLP, etc. I hope it airs relatively soon on a network that I get.

[Bookish Jen]

On 1/21/2023 at 11:29 AM, Meow Mix said:

Consider that the source is Lori Alexander.  I love how she just glosses over what the felon was up to while Jinger was growing up in this supposedly perfect home.

So I'm not the only one familiar with Lori Alexander. Sadly, you can't cast her off as some silly woman. She's truly dangerous.

And if you ask me, Ma and Pa Duggar deserve to be thrown under a fleet of buses. I definitely want to read Jinger's book. I hope my local library gets it.

[Absolom]

I'm on the library waiting list.  I put it on recommend and I guess some other people did, too.  Lori lives in her own world.  

[oliviabenson]

59 holds on 1 copy in the library! 

Edited January 24, 2023 by oliviabenson

[sixlets]

The People magazine with Jinger’s story is dated January 30th, and the main cover photo is Lisa Marie Presley. Jinger did manager to score a smaller picture in the upper left corner of the cover. 
 

ETA-I’m also going to add this the J&J thread as well just in case. 

Edited January 24, 2023 by sixlets

[Meow Mix]

21 hours ago, Bookish Jen said:

So I'm not the only one familiar with Lori Alexander. Sadly, you can't cast her off as some silly woman. She's truly dangerous.

And if you ask me, Ma and Pa Duggar deserve to be thrown under a fleet of buses. I definitely want to read Jinger's book. I hope my local library gets it.

Oh I agree, Lori is dangerous.  My comment was meant to say that I wasn't the least bit surprised that she weighed in and tried to paint the Duggar parents as paragons of virtue.  Sadly, I doubt Jinger is going to hold them accountable the way some would hope.  She just doesn't strike me as the type to burn everything down.

[libgirl2]

16 hours ago, oliviabenson said:

59 holds on 1 copy in the library! 

I work at a library. There are 10 copies in out 6 library consortium and 10 holds. 

[Bookish Jen]

1 hour ago, Meow Mix said:

Oh I agree, Lori is dangerous.  My comment was meant to say that I wasn't the least bit surprised that she weighed in and tried to paint the Duggar parents as paragons of virtue.  Sadly, I doubt Jinger is going to hold them accountable the way some would hope.  She just doesn't strike me as the type to burn everything down.

The Daily Kos has discovered Lori Alexander.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/22/2148541/-Christianist-blogger-wags-finger-at-Jinger-Duggar-Vuolo-for-opening-up-about-her-abusive-childhood

[oliviabenson]

Lori is … something… 

Not good 

[Salacious Kitty]

8 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

Lori is … something… 

Not good 

She blocked me years ago. Thank goodness, because I see she's still wielding her poison pen.

[oliviabenson]

3 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

I work at a library. There are 10 copies in out 6 library consortium and 10 holds. 

My city has 2.5 million people and only 1 ebook and 1 audiobook.

[Absolom]

As has been explained before, check the numbers on the actual release date of the book.  Many systems show 1 during the pre-release stage.

[louannems]

1 hour ago, oliviabenson said:

Lori is … something… 

Not good 

I used to read some of her stuff and listen to some of her videos.  She is truly awful and very abusive.  She has frequently given detailed accounts of how she would order her two year old to “pick up your toys” and when the toddle refused, Lori would remove her pants and whip her with a leather strap.  She explained that you must hit hard enough for the kid to scream, not just whimper.

Any parent would know that you don’t give a two year old a generic order like pick up your toys without getting on the floor and helping them, maybe make a game or song of it.

[BetyBee]

I know nothing about Lori Alexander, but if she abused her child like that, I hope one day she gets thrown under the bus by the child(ren?) whose lives she tried to destroy! Whether they write a book or call the authorities on her, I don't care. I just want her to face consequences.

[woodscommaelle]

16 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

I hope one day she gets thrown under the bus by the child(ren?)

Literally.

[sagittarius sue]

2 hours ago, Absolom said:

As has been explained before, check the numbers on the actual release date of the book.  Many systems show 1 during the pre-release stage.

My county has 10 libraries with a single copy of the book, and it shows it is already there.  Nobody has placed a hold on it.  I'm so proud.  Should I take it out and read it for the team?

[Future Cat Lady]

I think a lot of the hardcore fundies will have negative opinions about Jinger's book. Going against you parents is unacceptable for them. But the book is not aimed at them. It's for the ones wanting to leave Gothardism (or other similar cults) and the fundie lite crowd. 

I don't know how much she will go into details in her book about her new beliefs/church or if she names it, but I think the goal is to get readers interested in MacArthur. 

[oliviabenson]

2 holds on 1 copy of their 2021 book. Maybe I can read that instead. 

 

Edited January 25, 2023 by oliviabenson

[YupItsMe]

2 hours ago, sagittarius sue said:

My county has 10 libraries with a single copy of the book, and it shows it is already there.  Nobody has placed a hold on it.  I'm so proud.  Should I take it out and read it for the team?

Mine shows 1 copy, 59 holds.

[sagittarius sue]

1 hour ago, YupItsMe said:

Mine shows 1 copy, 59 holds.

Do you have many fundies in your area?  There are not that many of them in Minnesota.  Most of the church-going crowd stick to the mainstream churches, particularly Catholic or Lutheran.  When Lutherans disagree they just form a different synod.

[Salacious Kitty]

My area is free of fundies. I checked my library, and it doesn't have even one copy. 😂

[Zella]

Reporting for duty from AR--we have neither Vuolo book at the library where I work. We do have 2 of the old Duggar books in the system, but I've only ever personally seen them circ a couple of times with my own eyes. 

Actually I just logged into our system out of nosiness from home, and neither book has circulated in the 2+ years we've had our current ILS. 

I'd actually be surprised if we purchased Jinger's book. 

[zoomama]

$26.99 on amazon for an actual book! whew, not spending that.

[Absolom]

San Diego County does have some fundies, but not a lot of interest.  11 holds and one of them is me.  I'm not paying for a Jinger book either.  I read her Hope one and it wasn't bad for what it was, but wasn't worth money to me.

[ozziemom]

Reporting from SW Florida, no Jinger book or ebook here. My sister is a librarian in Boston area, no Jinger up there either. 

[laurakaye]

15 holds on one copy here, but "You Can Shine So Bright!" is available.  

Think I'll pass on both of them.

[louannems]

13 hours ago, YupItsMe said:

Mine shows 1 copy, 59 holds.

My library system shows one copy and 130 people waiting!!!  It says several months wait.  In Seattle!

[BetyBee]

My library says 2 copies, 1 hold. I could read it if I wanted to, but I have zero interest!

[anyasmom]

My library has one copy and 40 holds.

[AstridM]

2 copies here in my SW ohio library. 137 people waiting. I’ll pass.

[sagittarius sue]

Yikes, I discovered I jumped the gun on this book.  I'm glad I decided to check on my hold, and found it was on Growing up Duggar so I cancelled it immediately.  No wonder it wasn't more popular, and although they have 3 copies of The Hope We Hold, no one has currently borrowed.  The new book isn't listed.

[Ohiopirate02]

2 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

Yikes, I discovered I jumped the gun on this book.  I'm glad I decided to check on my hold, and found it was on Growing up Duggar so I cancelled it immediately.  No wonder it wasn't more popular, and although they have 3 copies of The Hope We Hold, no one has currently borrowed.  The new book isn't listed.

The book doesn't come out until next Tuesday the 31st.  Most libraries do not have the book yet, so they do not have it in their catalog yet.  There are a few libraries that will put books into their catalog before release, but not all do this.  At my library, we wait until we have the book before entering it in.  The supply chain with books and library books in particular has been hanging on by a thread for 3 years now.  We order books and hope we will get them near publication date, but cannot guarantee it.  We find it easier to wait than have to deal with upset patrons who cannot understand why the book they want to read has been processing for 2+ weeks (and available for purchase at Barnes and Noble or Amazon).

The holds data others are talking about is the ebook through Overdrive/Libby.  When we pre-order ebooks on Overdrive, patrons can place holds before release.  

[sagittarius sue]

I usually frequent my old county library system rather than face the monster Hennepin County library, but I checked on them.  I guess many people want to read this in the Mpls area

On order View detailsView details for Becoming Free Indeed : My Story of Disentangling Faith From Fear, Book, 
Holds: 93 on 3 copies

Downloadable Audiobook, 2023. Language: EnglishAll copies in use
Holds: 90 on 1 copy

eBook, 2023. Language: EnglishAll copies in use
Holds: 88 on 1 copy

[YupItsMe]

17 hours ago, Zella said:

Reporting for duty from AR--we have neither Vuolo book at the library where I work. We do have 2 of the old Duggar books in the system, but I've only ever personally seen them circ a couple of times with my own eyes. 

Actually I just logged into our system out of nosiness from home, and neither book has circulated in the 2+ years we've had our current ILS. 

I'd actually be surprised if we purchased Jinger's book. 

Also in AR but nowhere near the Duggars. There are over 60 holds for the one copy in our system. 

[Albanyguy]

Albany, NY here: one copy in our library system (ten branch libraries), seven holds on it.

[scriggle]

Massachusetts here. My local library network (about two dozen community/academic libraries) has 2 copies with 5 holds.

[Bethany]

Ottawa here, we have 3 Duggar books in our system but not this one.  I don't know if it will show up or not.  I guess it will depend on if they get enough requests.  I don't think there is much interest in the Duggars here.  Maybe a tell all that really does tell all.

[louannems]

15 hours ago, Elizabeth Anne said:

Ottawa here, we have 3 Duggar books in our system but not this one.  I don't know if it will show up or not.  I guess it will depend on if they get enough requests.  I don't think there is much interest in the Duggars here.  Maybe a tell all that really does tell all.

I’m still embarrassed that my area (Seattle) now has 137 holds on one copy of Free.

edited to add that Seattle has been considered largely “unchurched “.

Edited January 26, 2023 by louannems

[Ohiopirate02]

39 minutes ago, louannems said:

I’m still embarrassed that my area (Seattle) now has 137 holds on one copy of Free.

edited to add that Seattle has been considered largely “unchurched “.

This is all on the marketing team at Thomas Nelson.  They are pushing the idea that this is going to be the Duggar tell-all we've all been hoping for instead of Jinger's milquetoast story of her going from Gothard to Calvinism.  Honestly, they timed this release right with the public wanting more stories like Prince Harry Spare and Jeanette McCurdy's I'm Glad My Mom Died.  Memoirs are hot right now.  This will sell well next week, but it's not going to be hanging around on any bestseller list after that.  Once people find out there's no there there, it's over.  

[GeeGolly]

Jinger's promos clearly state this isn't a tell-all. Its about shifting her faith from the way she was raised to "what the Bible says".

[mimionthebeach]

On 1/24/2023 at 5:29 PM, BetyBee said:

I know nothing about Lori Alexander, but if she abused her child like that, I hope one day she gets thrown under the bus by the child(ren?) whose lives she tried to destroy! Whether they write a book or call the authorities on her, I don't care. I just want her to face consequences.

"God" has given Lori a brain tumer. Twice. How she doesn't see that as a "sign" is another layer of delusion. 

She is a vile human being. She can't help herself.