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As a reminder, the site's Politics Policy remains in effect.  Yes, Jim Bob is apparently running for office again. That does not make it an acceptable topic of conversation in here - unless for some mysterious reason, TLC brings the show back and it is discussed on there. Even then, it would be limited to how it was discussed on the show.

If you have any questions, please PM the mods, @SCARLETT45 and myself.

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cmr2014
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I was thinking about this and the idea that the girls weren't "harmed" and weren't "damaged goods" which led me to realize that ALL of the Duggar children are "damaged goods" and I think that's becomi

Churchhoney
Churchhoney

They put themselves on tv and have proclaimed over and over and over and over again that their way of life is the way to ensure that your children are totally safe from every evil of the world, and in

WhitneyWhit
WhitneyWhit

I don't know where to post this but I fucking met Michelle Duggar. Let me set the scene. So my cousin is getting married and we were at a shop looking at dresses here in Kentucky when the Duggars marc

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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

7 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

In my opinion, the whole reason they embrace this "religion" -- and, in fact, the whole reason for the cult and similar cults being founded -- is to control others at will without any interference and using any means necessary. That, and no other reason, is why they purposefully isolate their children.

I know I've said it about a million times and I'm sure everybody's sick of hearing me say it, but honestly the idea that this shit has anything to do with beliefs or theologies about god, or the meaning of life, or morality or any such excuses is completely wrong. This and similar cults -- and all their rules about homeschooling and so on -- were invented and sustained for the sole purpose of giving cover for a bunch of insecure, control-freaky people to exercise all the control over others (notably their offspring and, in the case of the men, women) that their neurotic little brains demand while the rest of the world is fooled into thinking that it's all some kind of religious exercise and thus permissible.

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I remember a lot of the same stuff but I do not remember it happening to the degree that the Duggars and others have taken it to. I used to think it was isolated to the Assemblies of God until I heard about the Independent Baptists and most recently, the Calvinists. (See Driscoll, Mark.) It is still shocking to me that anyone would willingly cede control of their life and their family to another alleged adult in the name of religion, but it continues to happen. I'm also amazed at those who rise to leadership positions in these churches or families. They don't pick the functional folks. They go straight for the crazy and most extreme.

Your second paragraph (above) is especially poignant. If the Duggars were as dedicated to their God as they claim to be, we would see the fruits of the Spirit ( love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control) manifest in their lives. I don't. I see a family full of unhappy people controlled by two narcissistic, emotionally stunted famewhores.

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Marigny

Marigny

On 9/9/2016 at 2:18 PM, GeeGolly said:

Kind of continuing the conversation from the Jill & Derick thread...

Michelle & Jim Bob really have no clue as parents. None at all. But I don't think their parenting is will evil intent. I think they're clueless idiots who believe some idiotic stuff. And it sucks that 19 kids suffer for it.

At this point I'm glad they continue on TV because it is like a real time glimpse into cult-think, and leaving it out there for the world to see is surely saving some souls.

And again, not to defend JB & M but as far as Josie; I've met a few parents in denial of any difference their child shows, but fortunately these children are seen by pediatricians and eventually teachers, and they will help the parents recognize and receive any services the children need. Poor Josie and her siblings probably rarely see an MD, and obviously will never step foot in a school.

I find being involved in this forum helpful as far as the bullshit of life out there. It's great to read all the thoughtful and intelligent opinions and see things from so many perspectives. I think we all stay because most here do not wish anything bad for the Duggars. Most are wishing for better things.

And of course how crazy lit up would this place get if something good and normal would happen to a Duggar!

If it were anyone other than these fools, I would agree with you. Unfortunately, they only go to health care professionals that drink from the same Kool-Aid jug  as them. Health care professionals that cater to cults are known for not doing the right thing like reporting abuse and recommending needed services. 

42 minutes ago, Missy Vixen said:

I hope the mods will allow this because the Willises are the fundie family TLC went all-in on in an effort to distract from the Duggar trainwreck.

http://wkrn.com/2016/09/09/father-of-the-willis-clan-charged-with-child-rape/

My, my, my.

I hope the young person involved was able to get the help she needed then and now.

TLC is getting quite the track record. Isn't Joshley supposed to be making an appearance in the next episode or two? Talk about timing!

I pray the young lady involved has gotten the support she needs. My guess is that she did and that's what made this arrest possible. 

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

@Marigny, I think you misunderstood what I wrote, as I was talking about folks I know, then I followed the sentence up with a thought on the Duggars: 

- I've met a few parents in denial of any difference their child shows, but fortunately these children are seen by pediatricians and eventually teachers, and they will help the parents recognize and receive any services the children need. Poor Josie and her siblings probably rarely see an MD, and obviously will never step foot in a school. -

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

8 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Did you see those horrible, thin mattresses in the boys' dorm? None of them have a real bed with box springs. They must wake up with sore backs every day. It's ridiculous that Boob won't even buy his children decent beds to sleep in.

The second or 3rd post down, someone speculated more than 5 years ago, that these kids would need years of psychological intervention, prior to Joshgate. If you read further, people go on with lots of outrage, particularly about how poor little Josie and the other lost girls are treated. 

Those mattresses look thin and poor. I guess they were lucky to have sheets at all on them.  Gives me spasms in my back just to look.

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Aja

Aja

8 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Found this article written about the Duggars by a sociologist. The thread itself is several years old, but the comments are pretty telling.  Please enjoy

https://reelrundown.com/celebrities/The-Duggars-are-a-Dysfunctional-Family

That was really good. The comments were very telling, weren't they? "This is just wild speculation. The kids all look perfectly happy. If there was something going on, they'd have had the kids taken away already! They're on national TV for heaven's sake!" 

Sigh.

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sometimesy

sometimesy

I think TLC, should produce this show like the 90 day fiancé debacle. The Duggs aren't interesting enough to carry the show. I haven't even seen a full episode this season, I got bored and wandered off. Last season I did manage to watch, but it's ridiculous now. There are other outrageous and interesting fundies. We don't have to sit through stupid flashbacks and loops of the same damn scene when there is all this available material. Add 2 or 3 families that aren't pretending to be mainstream. We want the whole trainwreck and the Duggs are hiding more than they are providing. The Duggs still get tv time, but the other families will keep it alive. Or cancel the Duggs and feature them occasionally, they just aren't interesting anymore.

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

I agree. Not interesting enough to fill an hour of TV by themselves. Add the Maxhells, the Wallers, or the Rodriguii. At least the Rodriguii kids would get something to eat. 

I'm all for a special episode for a wedding, birth, or catchup every few months, rather than filling up time with mindless drivel.  If I'm going to give up an hour of my time to watch you, amuse me, jester!

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Darknight

Darknight

On Saturday, September 03, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Scarlett45 said:

Which episode?

Damn I forgot it's on Netflix. I'll check 

Season number: 17

Episode number: 7

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 0:51 AM, BitterApple said:

Did you see those horrible, thin mattresses in the boys' dorm? None of them have a real bed with box springs. They must wake up with sore backs every day. It's ridiculous that Boob won't even buy his children decent beds to sleep in.

Wonder what bed Bob has

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Darknight

Darknight

On Monday, September 05, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Jeeves said:

Yep. According to Wikipedia, JB served in the Arkansas House of Representatives, 1999-2002. He then (in 2002 IIRC) ran in the GOP primary for US Senate in a politically suicidal attempt to unseat the incumbent.

On that* election day he and MEchelle walked into the polling place with all their kids lined up, stairstep fashion, behind them. All the boys in red shirts, all the girls and MEchelle in matching red jumpers with white collars. MEchelle was or course pregnant as well. That photo of the family, it has been claimed, caught the eye of somebody at TLC (or of somebody who told somebody at TLC) and the rest is television history infamy.

*I know it was an election day photo stunt, and I believe it was the primary election where he went down in flames in his bid to unseat the GOP incumbent US Senator, a race into which he poured a quarter million dollars of his own funds - while his family was living literally stacked up on top of each other in a rundown 3 bedroom house next to a church.

Wtf he had all that fucking money and had his family living like that. Some man you are Jim bob. Did Jimhovah really think he had a chance at politics?

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Darknight

Darknight

On Monday, September 05, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Vaysh said:

Does anyone know what Boob actually did during those 2-3 years as a politician? I'm assuming he tried to ban abortion, contraceptives and gay people but is there a record somewhere of any proposals he put forward or how he voted on other issues? I have a vague memeory of reading on TWoP that he was pretty much considered a one-trick pony obsessed with abortion and that's why he lost so badly, but I don't think I've ever seen any real evidence of what his political platform actually was and what his views on other issues were.

What is he doing now? Jimhovah would probably make it law for every woman to shun birth control and be virgins on their wedding day. Or else be stoned go death. Also no education only homemaking. 

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Lemur

Lemur

6 hours ago, Darknight said:

What is he doing now? Jimhovah would probably make it law for every woman to shun birth control and be virgins on their wedding day. Or else be stoned go death. Also no education only homemaking. 

While decrying the rise in Sharia Law, no doubt.  

Also, let's all thank the Web Cache for saving Jimhovah's website from his last Senate run: http://web.archive.org/web/20030210014933/http://www.jimbob.info/position.html

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SMama

SMama

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They won't involve the child in filming because they can't. Children in guardianships and in foster care are protected. I conducted my fair share of home studies for guardianships. Also, when we adopted our daughter internationally we were told in no uncertain terms that the pictures they provided could not be used on social media, or no adoption.  

Now once/if they adopt they make all decisions as any bio parent. Ugh

I have only practiced in CA (the State not the so called dangerous place) and even for kinship placement a child age two and older cannot share a room with an adult. How is that going to work out with the boys' dorm? Further, you can only have a specific number of children in one room. 

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Spelling matters.
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lascuba

lascuba

Oh, that poor child. To go from an unstable life with his mother to a bunch of religious fanatics who are big on "sins of the father" and undoubtedly believe that he must be forever grateful to them for "saving" him. As bad as the Duggars are with their own children, they should NEVER be allowed to adopt because they'd be exponentially worse. 

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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2 hours ago, Jeeves said:

The story says that the Duggars will not involve the child in filming, and InTouch redacted his name from the court records it published with the story.

Of course they will involve him in their absolutely hideous "parenting." And "schooling." And sleeping in a dorm and/or stairwell. And crummy crummy eating habits. And Gothardism. And all of their thousand other smarmy hypocrisies.

Plus, he's one more for Jana to raise (with help from Joy and Hannie now, I guess). Why the heck isn't there some other relative who can take this kid in?

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BitterApple

BitterApple

28 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

 

Plus, he's one more for Jana to raise (with help from Joy and Hannie now, I guess). Why the heck isn't there some other relative who can take this kid in?

I wonder if he's a problem child and no one else wanted him. From what I've seen, Michelle barely has anything to do with her family, why would she, of all people, be the obvious choice to take custody of this boy? 

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EAG46

EAG46

Is it wrong to hope that this poor boy will be the straw that breaks the Duggars' backs?  That he brings the real world into his cousins' lives?  If you recall "The Emperor's New Clothes," it took a child to point out that the Emperor was naked.   This could be that child.  

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lascuba

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think many of Michelle's family lives in Arkansas. Since her sister and niece live there, and presumably the child grew up there, him being placed with the Duggars originally could have been a matter of simple expediency. The preference is always to place children with family before foster care unless the family in question is unfit (I know, I know, but there's unfit and then there's the unfit that social workers and the family courts deal with). While social services can and does move children to different states to live with family, if they have family willing and "able" to care for a child in state, they're going to be their first choice. 

I'm going to try to look at the bright side in all this and tell myself that this little boy is probably having a lot of fun playing with all his cousins. Let's hope Michelle and Jim Bob are firmly in the grandparent stage and don't have the energy to be the disciplinarians they once were. And let's also hope that Jana isn't the super strict mom that all the kids are afraid of that Joy once implied. 

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Readalot

Readalot

10 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

 One good thing about this that they will have to change because 100% social services is involved with the family now.

Lets just hope the social worker is not star-stuck by the wretched family. 

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TaxNerd

TaxNerd

They do have the guest room.  Not a big deal to fix it up for a social worker visit, which are mostly scheduled.  It sounds like they get special privileges, so you know the Duggars visit wouldn't be a "surprise".  Then, back to the dorm.

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Minivanessa

Minivanessa

6 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Aren't Michelle's siblings a lot older than she is?  She herself is already fifty. Her brothers and sisters may not want to take in an eight year old who needs a decade of care, especially if their own kids are grown. 

Yes, IIRC Michelle is younger than most if not all of her siblings. According to the InTouch article linked above, the child's grandmother, Carolyn (Michelle's sister), was caring for him since August 2015. But Carolyn has since suffered a stroke, and now the child's mother (Michelle's niece) has signed documents providing that the Duggars will be the child's guardians. 

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Scarlett45

Scarlett45

53 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

Aren't Michelle's siblings a lot older than she is?  She herself is already fifty. Her brothers and sisters may not want to take in an eight year old who needs a decade of care, especially if their own kids are grown. 

Yes Michelle is the baby of the family and most of her siblings were grown and out of the house when she was growing up. They are probably in their late 60s-early 70s at this point. 

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JoanArc

JoanArc

17 hours ago, magpye29 said:

You know what's really creepy about that awful red parade picture?  Michelle looks like a child!  I think JB's got some serious issues, beyond those we already talk about.

The fact that they recruited a couple of girls to look like Duggar kids, orchestrated that picture, and spent years acting like it was God's will or randomly happened, which led to them getting a tv show makes me rage. These people are girfters from way back.

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Defrauder

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Advertisers have been bailing from this show left and right since Joshgate 1 hit.  Now that JB and Michelle are squirming their way into 'Counting On' I believe more are bailing, and some that are sticking it out worried that eventually Josh is going to squirm into the show again.  Just because the Duggar family has forgiven him doesn't mean the audience has to stomach seeing a molester parading around like a holy man.

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BitterApple

BitterApple

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I can see Jana and JD wanting to quit, especially if their money is going straight to KJB Duggar, LLC. Jessa wouldn't give it up in a million years. Her ego is too tied up into being a teevee stah. Jill just wants everything to go back the way it was before she met Triple D and failed at adulting.

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Albanyguy

Albanyguy

On 9/10/2016 at 9:05 AM, Churchhoney said:

I'm astounded that NOBODY on either side of KJB or J-Chelle's family has made any attempt to reason with them about getting help for the kids who allegedly have learning disorders,

This may explain why Michelle seems to have little or no contact with her relatives and why Jim Bob keeps his sister at arm's length. It may not just be because they're "unbelievers" or "bad influences", but because they've asked too many pointed questions or made too many critical comments about the Duggars' child rearing methods.

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Barb23

Barb23

On 7/25/2016 at 4:12 PM, drafan said:

 

Sorry, can't get rid of old quote on my tablet.

Does anyone know how reruns work on TLC? Old episodes of 19K & counting were always being shown sometime during the day before the Joshgates. Did the Duggars get a cut on those?  It seems Counting On is aired just the one time with the previous week's episode shown before the new episode &that's it. 

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

1 hour ago, Barb23 said:

Sorry, can't get rid of old quote on my tablet.

Does anyone know how reruns work on TLC? Old episodes of 19K & counting were always being shown sometime during the day before the Joshgates. Did the Duggars get a cut on those?  It seems Counting On is aired just the one time with the previous week's episode shown before the new episode &that's it. 

Interesting question. I don't think the casts get money from reruns, but I'm not sure. Seems to me, though, that they get a flat payment and after that the money accrues to the network. Which is why the network was said to be losing so much cash when they couldn't run 19 Kids any more? I mean, actors do get residuals, but I don't think "reality" people do.

On the reruns, I wonder whether it has something to do with how many ads they can run during your rerun? Clearly (I would think ... ?) the first run is the one that gets by far the most viewers, followed, probably?, by the one that's run before the next episode. So when it comes to filling all those other hours, what they're really trying to do is get a lot of commercials in front of whoever does watch? And since a lot of advertisers are running from the Duggars, maybe they'd piss off too many advertisers if they started running it during those long daytime blocks of reruns, which are commercial packed, or else they'd have to make it the one rerun show that's not commercial packed? So they just run other stuff instead?

Would be interested to know the real facts and explanations here.

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Absolom

Absolom

3 hours ago, Barb23 said:

Does anyone know how reruns work on TLC? Old episodes of 19K & counting were always being shown sometime during the day before the Joshgates. Did the Duggars get a cut on those?

No.  Only guild members (real actors) get residuals (payment for reruns).  The ads definitely are a major factor in playing reruns.  There is no incentive to play a show that runs off advertisers. 

One thought about why the Duggars are still on is to help pull up the overall viewership of TLC.  The ad buyers who are buying a block of ads would pay a higher rate for a higher average viewership.  It's weak, but it's possibly a contributing factor.  TLC could also be hoping that advertisers would return.

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Minivanessa

Minivanessa

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I think one of the biggest obstacles to airing old episodes of 19K&C is that Josh is so prominently featured in almost all of them. That, and the advertiser issues discussed above. 

Replaying theJosh-Anna engagement and wedding episodes after all that's been revealed? Awkward.

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