Party of One: Unpopular TV Opinions

[DoctorAtomic]

Well, y'all ain't going to be playing Santa anytime soon, re: kids. 

I didn't really like my cousin's kids till they got to be in their teens. 

[paulvdb]

16 hours ago, BlackberryJam said:

Oh, so this IS unpopular. I hate kids in TV shows. I hate TV shows about kids. I hate adult TV shows that have kid driven plot lines. But here’s the real truth. I hate kids. I don’t have any and have no idea why anyone would want one. I will occasionally suffer through kids on a TV show, but mostly, it’s a hard NO.

 

ETA: I don’t wish harm to children. I don’t want all children to die or anything. I don’t abuse children. And in fact, in my work, do a lot to prevent children from being abused. That doesn’t mean I want a child near me or taking up my time and attention, in person or on screen. Disliking children does not mean wishing them harm.

That's how I feel about animals. I don't wish them harm, but I don't want to be around them and I generally don't like them in tv shows.

As far as kids are concerned, the younger ones are often very bad actors. Not saying that teens are always great actors, but they're usually not so bad that I wish they weren't on the show.

Although most of the teens on shows that I watch are actually played by actors in their 20s.

[Blergh]

I have no problem with seeing kids or teens as main players on sitcoms or dramas as long as they're not bratty (or at the very least their brattiness gets addressed with consequences enacted instead of all their peers and parents pretending they're perfect, yes, I'm looking at you all Girl Meets World re Riley Matthews as well as Full House re Michelle Tanner ). Also, if the adult characters have a baby (especially via a Very Special Episode) AT LEAST have it mentioned the new baby is at Grandma's,etc whenever the adult characters are seen sans baby from that point on. I mean, don't try to have it both ways via using the anticipation of a birth to draw ratings then totally  forget about the baby thereafter.  

 

As for so called 'reality' shows, yes I wish there were laws prohibiting anyone under age 18 from having their so-called parents/guardians have them participate on them- especially those who have unconventional physical conditions,appearances  or sexuality because life's tough enough for kids/teens who are unconventional OFF CAMERA without having incredible 'Net,etc.  pressures put on them thanks to the 'reality' shows.  And I'll also bet a dollar to drachma that the bulk of the legal minors on these shows are ONLY there via their parents/guardians and or producers exploiting them for greed despite whatever said minors may loudly claim on camera at the time (to possibly get guardians/producers off their backs) .

[Neurochick]

On 6/22/2020 at 12:33 AM, Kel Varnsen said:

I remember watching that show, I watched a bunch of episodes when it first came out then I watched the whole series on DVD probably around 2005. From what I remember from the rewatch was that it was a great concept (WWII in space with space ships that don't try to fly like airplanes) but the season was super uneven with some great episodes and some super crappy ones. I also remember that it must have cost a fortune with all that mid 90s CGI to the point where it probably had to be a hit to even be able to stay on TV.

The deal with that show IMO was:

1. Fox really didn't want to invest in it (They wanted their XFiles producers back and XFiles was Fox's Jewel in the Crown at that time).

2. The show was ahead of its time.  It might have made it on cable TV or streaming.

[Kel Varnsen]

26 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

. The show was ahead of its time.  It might have made it on cable TV or streaming.

I would say the concept was ahead of its time in that yea a short season space show with a WWII theme would be the kind of thing I would expect to see on Prime Video or something. The production would have been a lot easier now, since those CG effects probably cost a fortune in 1995 but could probably be made now by a kid at home with a decent laptop. The specific stories though I am not so sure since I remember some being awesome and some being really stupid.

Also it didn't help that the show had R. Lee Emery in it. Because watching a bunch of short lived shows on dvd back before I had cable taught me that if you were a Fox show in the 90's and he showed up you were going to get cancelled. Seriously, he was in Space, he was in The Adventures of Briscoe County Junior and he was in Action!.

[DoctorAtomic]

Action! was definitely ahead of its time. 

[Kel Varnsen]

13 minutes ago, DoctorAtomic said:

Action! was definitely ahead of its time. 

Action! was another show, like the Clerks Cartoon I mentioned earlier, where the creators talked on the dvd about how they were offered a deal from another channel. In this case I think it was HBO, which would have been just starting to get into original programming at the time. It was for less money and less exposure compared to Fox, but they admitted that if they had been on HBO the show probably would have ran for multiple seasons instead of 8 episodes. So I might say not really ahead of its time but more like right time but wrong place.

Edited June 27, 2020 by Kel Varnsen

[Danny Franks]

On 6/19/2020 at 7:01 PM, Hybridcookie said:

Ugh Scorpius, another annoying character with far too much screentime.

It's funny, because I always forget he exists till I'm reminded, I feel like I block him out. I rewatched it for the first time last year and I completely forgot about him till he appeared and it all came flooding back.

Scorpius was great as a villain. Far more threatening and unsettling than Crais had been, and he embodied the weird, fetish vibe that Farscape often had. But when they had him sort of turn good, then not, then maybe he was, it was too much.

He should have been the villain, through and through. No redemptive arc, no muddying the waters, no sob story to make people feel sorry for him. That was the writers bowing to fans who really loved the Harvey clone, and wanted to see more of Scorpius interacting with John and the crew.

On 6/22/2020 at 1:09 AM, SmithW6079 said:

I remember those discussions on the old TWoP boards. They were really good, and, if I recall, usually without the rancor that makes up so much debate and discussion these days. They would go on for pages and pages [and so did Jacob's recaps, the point where they were novellas (increasingly excruciatingly pretentious novellas)].

They were fun... the discussions, more so than Jacob's recaps. I appreciated that he liked the show and the characters, which the previous recapper, Strega, didn't seem to, but he just loved shoving the show up it's own arse constantly. Let things be things.

I appreciated that the revulsion of Lee and Kara's awful season three behaviour was pretty much universal. In these modern days of obsessive 'shipping, there would surely be some people making excuse after excuse for their shitty actions, but I don't recall anyone being happy that they were cheating on their spouses with each other.

To be honest, I still think that was a big misstep for the show. They went too deep with Kara's self-destructive toxicity and dragged Lee down into it with her. They both became so awful to watch, and were written into complete dead ends. It  would have been much better if they just kept them as a relatively unattached, 'will they, won't they?' pairing until near the end of the show.

Edited June 27, 2020 by Danny Franks

[proserpina65]

On 6/23/2020 at 12:53 AM, Bastet said:

I stuck with Moonlighting, every episode of seasons four and five ranging from mediocre to godsawful with some scattered classic moments, to see the series through because I had once loved it beyond reason.  To what end?  To watch a lackluster finale with characters who were shadows of their former selves.

That experience permanently cured me of any need to be a completionist come what may.  From then on, I walked away from several shows I'd once loved once I was consistently unhappy with them and didn't have any reason to think that would change.  People still sometimes try to persuade me to watch later seasons of X,Y,Z shows, but - nope. 

Even with The X-Files, where the bloom gradually came off the rose starting somewhere in season five, and I checked out entirely somewhere in the latter half of season seven, yet went to the midnight showing of the post-series movie and then watched seasons 10 and 11.  I get some incredulous "you're STILL not going to watch 8 and 9"?  No, I'm not.  Nothing anyone, anywhere, in all I've read - and this is a show with lots of internet commentary over the last 20 years - has made me think I'd enjoy it.  I have no interest in spending my time watching something just to pontificate on all the ways it sucks.

I stuck with Grey's Anatomy long after I actually enjoyed it, more out of habit than anything else.  Christina leaving should've been the end for me, but no, I stayed.  But once Alex & Jo got married, and April left, I decided it wasn't worth it anymore.  And having read what they did with Alex this season, I'm glad I stopped when I did.

 

[Hiyo]

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Christina leaving should've been the end for me, but no, I stayed. 

Same here. Until they killed off Derek, then I was gone for good.

[proserpina65]

On 6/23/2020 at 6:12 PM, SmithW6079 said:

And in an extremely UO, I hate that they paired off Mulder and Scully romantically and that she had that miracle baby.

I'll join you at that table.

 On 6/23/2020 at 12:47 PM, Zella said:

OMG I was and am on the side of hot Jaime Lannister too. 🤣 NCW is my Danish boyfriend. He just doesn't know it. Jon Snow grew on me, but he was never a favorite. I liked Dany in season 1, and that was about it. I found her pretty insufferable, truth be told. 

I'm actually rewatching GOT right now. I never watched the final season, though most of it has been spoiled for me. I was sort of put off by all the squabbling I saw over it. I decided to just take it from the beginning and watch the final season within context of the whole show. So far, what has been spoiled I think is actually well foreshadowed, though I get the impression the way they got there was not the best. 

Hey now, NCW is MY Danish boyfriend!

I mostly stayed away from the GOT forums towards the end of season 8, other than posting my general opinions of the episodes  I did go there after the final and kinda wish I hadn't - it got brutal.  God forbid one actually liked the final.

On 6/23/2020 at 12:59 PM, BlackberryJam said:

ot Jaime Lannister is what interested me in the show in the first place! It certainly wasn't "My hair hasn't been washed in a decade" Ned Stark. My love for NCW knows few bounds. Do you follow his Instagram? He is smoking hot while being the most embarrassing dork dad ever. Jaime+Brienne5EVA by the way. 

I'm not on Instagram, but if I was, I'd totally follow him.  I love when he's in embarrassing dork dad mode on talk shows.

On 6/23/2020 at 6:01 PM, Mabinogia said:

I am highly influenced by actors. If I don't like an actor I cannot watch them no matter how good a show might be. So if I find there is an actor on a show who is more than I can stand, I just stop watching and hang out in the forum to see what is going on with the show. 

Me, too.  And if there is an actor whom I like enough, I'll stick with a show long after I should've stopped watching. ( Example #1: Grey's Anatomy, where Justin Chambers and Sandra Oh kept me watching for seasons after it got terrible.  Example #2: my re-watch of certain episodes of Xena, Warrior Princess just for Erik Thomson's Hades, 'cause overall, that show started out cheesy but watchable and quickly descended into bad, then horrible.)

Oh, and there's an unpopular opinion, that Xena simply wasn't a very good show, and got worse as it went on.

 

On 6/23/2020 at 6:32 PM, Annber03 said:

But I don't understand the "no romance at all" mindset some people have out there, either. People fall in love. They date and get married. That's as much a part of many people's lives as anything else, so it makes sense shows will feature it to some degree. And there are shows that can do the romance element right, be it with established couples or couples we want to see get together. Done right a romance can be a very wonderful part of a show, so yeah, I'm all for it being part of the story. 

It depends on the show.  I liked that Law & Order mostly avoided the characters' personal lives other than the odd comment.  That's one of the things I hated about the Benjamin Bratt seasons - too much personal drama.

 

[DoctorAtomic]

'to some degree' is the key phrase there. It depends on whether it's an organic part of the show or not. I'm not really a shipper at all, but I can get if it's part of some shows. I don't like it to dominate the show.

[Spartan Girl]

According to Jim wasn't as terrible as most people said it was. It was no dumber than your average sitcom, and way better than the garbage fire that Two and A Half Men became.

[Blergh]

24 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

According to Jim wasn't as terrible as most people said it was. It was no dumber than your average sitcom, and way better than the garbage fire that Two and A Half Men became.

Agree but IMO it's somewhat like saying Red Roof Inn isn't as terrible as Motel 6 while forgetting the existence of Crowne Plaza Hotels. 

[proserpina65]

7 hours ago, Blergh said:

Agree but IMO it's somewhat like saying Red Roof Inn isn't as terrible as Motel 6 while forgetting the existence of Crowne Plaza Hotels. 

True, but sometimes you just want something to laugh at without having to think too hard.  Kind of like sometimes you just want junk food; it shouldn't be the main part of your diet, but once in awhile is fine.  So some dumb but entertaining shows are okay with me, as long as there are other better choices out there, too.

[Zella]

8 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

According to Jim wasn't as terrible as most people said it was. It was no dumber than your average sitcom, and way better than the garbage fire that Two and A Half Men became.

I found Jim and Cheryl annoying, but I really enjoyed Andy and Dana when I used to catch reruns. It's not great art, but it's hardly the worst sitcom I've ever watched. 

[Spartan Girl]

Cheryl annoyed me but the actress went on to play that horrible bitch Lyndsey on Two and a Half Men, who was way way worse.

And According to Jim did use the "man with wife way out of his league" trope, but it gets credit for the times Jim called Cheryl out for trying to "improve" him and model him into the idealized version of a husband she thought she wanted. You don't see Marge Simpson getting taken to task for that.

[Enigma X]

I hate when I am watching a Whodunit and in episode 8 of 10 a typecast actor like James Frain appears because you then know who did it. Well, I guess that UO is not fair because the typecasted James Frains of the world need work too, but the only way to hold the suspense of the episodes that came before an introduction of a James Frain is to hold off introducing him until episode 8 of 10. 

 

Dark UO: Hated the ended. IMO, another case of great worldbuilding with a crap landing.

[Haleth]

21 hours ago, Enigma X said:

I hate when I am watching a Whodunit and in episode 8 of 10 a typecast actor like James Frain appears because you then know who did it. Well, I guess that UO is not fair because the typecasted James Frains of the world need work too, but the only way to hold the suspense of the episodes that came before an introduction of a James Frain is to hold off introducing him until episode 8 of 10. 

James Frain and Burm Gorman.  It's shocking when they are not playing the bad guy.  I've always had a feeling that actors like these, who almost always play villains, must in real life be really nice people.

[Annber03]

2 minutes ago, Haleth said:

I've always had a feeling that actors like these, who almost always play villains, must in real life be really nice people.

I tend to think that as well. And indeed, I have heard stories about actors who play really awful people and then everyone's talking about how lovely they are off the set :D. 

[GaT]

On 7/4/2020 at 8:47 AM, Enigma X said:

I hate when I am watching a Whodunit and in episode 8 of 10 a typecast actor like James Frain appears because you then know who did it.

As long as it's someone recognizable, they did it.

[Spartan Girl]

I would have rather had Phil Hartman play Donald Trump than Alec Baldwin on SNL.

Yes, I know he's gone, but his impression was still better.

[Mabinogia]

1 hour ago, GaT said:

On 7/4/2020 at 11:47 AM, Enigma X said:

I hate when I am watching a Whodunit and in episode 8 of 10 a typecast actor like James Frain appears because you then know who did it.

As long as it's someone recognizable, they did it.

During the opening credits of shows like Law and Order I try to guess who did it based on which guest stars' names I recognized. I'm usually right. 

It has been quite fun for me, watching Midsomer Murders, because I don't know as many minor British actors as I do American. But every time I have known one, they've been the killer. I clearly have excellent mur-dar.

I do get very excited though, when I'm wrong. It makes things a bit more interesting for me.

[Picture It. Sicily]

3 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

I would have rather had Phil Hartman play Donald Trump than Alec Baldwin on SNL.

Yes, I know he's gone, but his impression was still better.

Darrell Hammond did a pretty good trump too.

[Neurochick]

My pet peeve about reality TV shows is when someone says, "How can they AFFORD....." whatever.  

It smacks of jealousy to me.  Maybe I'm weird because I could give two shits what someone else has.

[Katy M]

4 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

My pet peeve about reality TV shows is when someone says, "How can they AFFORD....." whatever.  

It smacks of jealousy to me.  Maybe I'm weird because I could give two shits what someone else has.

The only time I care is if someone with a mansion and/or yacht, and/or really expensive car and/or nannies and maids start complaining about how they have no money and start a GoFundme to pay for their wedding.  Otherwise, it's completely their business what they do with their money.

[Neurochick]

23 minutes ago, Katy M said:

The only time I care is if someone with a mansion and/or yacht, and/or really expensive car and/or nannies and maids start complaining about how they have no money and start a GoFundme to pay for their wedding.  Otherwise, it's completely their business what they do with their money.

I just won't give them any money.

[Katy M]

7 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

I just won't give them any money.

Well, sure, but I still can't help but find it annoying.

[Ohiopirate02]

48 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

My pet peeve about reality TV shows is when someone says, "How can they AFFORD....." whatever.  

It smacks of jealousy to me.  Maybe I'm weird because I could give two shits what someone else has.

I agree.  I am not watching the Real Houswives of (insert city) to see them being fiscally responsible.  I watch for the architecture porn, the fashion, the over-the-top spending, the trips, etc.  I want to see Theresa pull out a wad of cash to pay for her furniture, or that hotel in Dubai the BH women went to, or the designer duds Marlo attempts to wear on Atlanta.  

[proserpina65]

1 hour ago, Neurochick said:

My pet peeve about reality TV shows is when someone says, "How can they AFFORD....." whatever.  

It smacks of jealousy to me.  Maybe I'm weird because I could give two shits what someone else has.

Besides, most of the time we know they CAN'T afford whatever, because half those couples have declared bankruptcy or been foreclosed on at some point since the shows started.

[kiddo82]

5 hours ago, Neurochick said:

My pet peeve about reality TV shows is when someone says, "How can they AFFORD....." whatever.  

It smacks of jealousy to me.  Maybe I'm weird because I could give two shits what someone else has.

I love how people on competitive reality shows want to win the million dollars so they can "start a family."  Pretty sure that's free.  I have seen some instances where a couple wants to use the money for IVF or the like, which is completely understandable and a different animal, but 9 times out of ten it's people who just want a security blanket before they have kids.  Maybe that's what they would use the prize for, and there's nothing wrong with that, but there's no law that says you have to be financially secure before expanding your family.  If that was the case I doubt most of us would be here.

[Mabinogia]

14 minutes ago, kiddo82 said:

I love how people on competitive reality shows want to win the million dollars so they can "start a family."

They should probably look into getting a good job instead, since it is pretty easy to blow through the portion of a million dollars you get after the govt takes their cut.

But next time I get grief for being a 48 year old woman with no husband or children I'm just going to say "I can't, I haven't won a million dollars yet!" 

 

[Stats Queen]

7 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I agree.  I am not watching the Real Houswives of (insert city) to see them being fiscally responsible.  I watch for the architecture porn, the fashion, the over-the-top spending, the trips, etc.  I want to see Theresa pull out a wad of cash to pay for her furniture, or that hotel in Dubai the BH women went to, or the designer duds Marlo attempts to wear on Atlanta.  

I’m with you. I was also watching the Real Housewives fir house porn, travel porn, over the top luxury. Sadly, none of the shows are like that anymore, now it seems to consist of drunk, formerly wealthy women fighting over the same petty argument for weeks on end.

[DoctorAtomic]

I never really watched The Wonder Years. I never really got the appeal. 

[Crs97]

4 hours ago, kiddo82 said:

10 hours ago, Neurochick said:

 

I love how people on competitive reality shows want to win the million dollars so they can "start a family."  Pretty sure that's free

By the same token, I chuckle on the food reality shows when they say they want to win $10,000 so they can open their own restaurant.  I assume it will cost them way more than that.

[meep.meep]

It's really a damned if you do damned if you don't situation.  Really they all want to buy Jet Skis, but if they say that, they'll look like boors.  So they say "to open a restaurant" because it makes them sound like mature members of sober society.

[Zella]

5 hours ago, meep.meep said:

 Really they all want to buy Jet Skis, but if they say that, they'll look like boors.  So they say "to open a restaurant" because it makes them sound like mature members of sober society.

Haha So true!

They should just embrace the jet skis. 

[Chaos Theory]

On 5/29/2020 at 12:34 PM, DoctorAtomic said:

I don't know if it was purposefully tanked, but I don't think the network knew what kind of show it was getting and certainly meddled with it. 

From what I understood Joss Wheaton had just come off his hit BtVS/Angel shows and networks were clammering for the next Wheaton masterpiece.   They all assumed a similar show to Buffy but instead got Firefly and had no idea what to do with a literal cowboys in space story.   

 

On 5/29/2020 at 4:40 PM, DoctorAtomic said:

Networks don't actually produce the shows though. 

Yes but they put them on the air or don’t. If a network exec hates a show he will bury it on Friday or in a time slot no one watches.

 

On 5/29/2020 at 11:04 AM, DoctorAtomic said:

To the other side though, to be fair, I love Fringe, but I don't know how in the fuck that stayed on as long as it did because there were like 7 people watching and it aired on Friday nights. 

 

Fringe is actually a funny story.  The actors and fans actually did ask that it be put on  Friday in hope that is get enough people to watch so it at least lasted long enough to be written an ending.    There was a whole big campaign.

Edited July 16, 2020 by Chaos Theory

[Raja]

On 7/14/2020 at 8:21 PM, DoctorAtomic said:

I never really watched The Wonder Years. I never really got the appeal. 

It was the targeted demographic Thirtysomething set looking at their Jr. High School years while Thirtysomething was also in production.

[Crs97]

I watched Wonder Years sometimes, and it was pretty good.  Never a must see, but I didn’t change the channel if it came on.  I thought they perfected the use of the voice overs - I especially loved when old Kevin would tell us what young Kevin thought would happen right before we saw what really happens.  Don’t all of us experience those moments?  And they are usually pretty funny when they happen.  I am surprised I don’t see reruns show up.

[DoctorAtomic]

That must be why. I wasn't existing in that time period. 

So who is this new show going to be targeting then? Because it seems like the suggestion to set it in the 90s would capture that demo. 

[Blergh]

My Wonder Years UO: I liked the show overall (though I agree the last season or so Kevin became an increasingly annoying and entitled person) but all along I thought Daniel Stern's narration was far too intrusive and contradictory. IOW, not only did I dread every time that Kevin would pause or take a breath   because that would almost inevitably bring on Mr. Stern's retro-spin of what Kevin was 'really' thinking but also often it seemed contradictory re what the contemporary Kevin truly had in mind at the moment. If they had just done the show like the Waltons with the adult narrator setting up the story at the beginning and summarizing things at the end, that would have WAY better! 

[Katy M]

Did anyone see the Blossom episode where Six said she thought Fred Savage was cute and Blossom said that if they ever had sex she'd be afraid of a voiceover during it?

[Wiendish Fitch]

41 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Did anyone see the Blossom episode where Six said she thought Fred Savage was cute and Blossom said that if they ever had sex she'd be afraid of a voiceover during it?

Man, I'm sorry I missed that episode!

Better Daniel Stern than Bob Saget from How I Met Your Mother, IMO.

[Katy M]

1 minute ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Man, I'm sorry I missed that episode!

Better Daniel Stern than Bob Saget from How I Met Your Mother, IMO.

That would be worse.  Because nobody wants a sex voice over to start out "kids..."  "What?  Future you is telling our kids about this?"  "Don't be silly.  They're not "our" kids.  I'm telling them a story about how I met their mother and well, it's not you, but it's a very long story."

[Ohiopirate02]

26 minutes ago, Katy M said:

That would be worse.  Because nobody wants a sex voice over to start out "kids..."  "What?  Future you is telling our kids about this?"  "Don't be silly.  They're not "our" kids.  I'm telling them a story about how I met their mother and well, it's not you, but it's a very long story."

So is that the reason why The Mother was on so little.  So the kids don't hear about their dad banging their mom?  Or every minute detail as to why a particular woman just wasn't right enough for Ted (well except for Aunt Robin)?  Sorry it still grates that in a show entitled How I Met Your Mother the women we the viewer learn the least about is The Mother.  

Edited July 16, 2020 by Ohiopirate02

[SmithW6079]

59 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

So is that the reason why The Mother was on so little.  So the kids don't hear about their dad banging their mom?  Or every minute detail as to why a particular woman just wasn't right enough for Ted (well except for Aunt Robin)?  Sorry it still grates that in a show entitled How I Met Your Mother the women we the viewer learn the least about is The Mother.  

Why should that have been a problem? They heard about their dad banging a multitude of other women on his quest to meet their mother. 

[Katy M]

22 minutes ago, SmithW6079 said:

Why should that have been a problem? They heard about their dad banging a multitude of other women on his quest to meet their mother. 

What I loved (and by that I mean the opposite) was that he told these kids openly about all his sexual exploits, one night stands, and cheatings, but he had to substitute the word "sandwich" for marijuana.

[Chaos Theory]

4 hours ago, Katy M said:

That would be worse.  Because nobody wants a sex voice over to start out "kids..."  "What?  Future you is telling our kids about this?"  "Don't be silly.  They're not "our" kids.  I'm telling them a story about how I met their mother and well, it's not you, but it's a very long story."

 

4 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

So is that the reason why The Mother was on so little.  So the kids don't hear about their dad banging their mom?  Or every minute detail as to why a particular woman just wasn't right enough for Ted (well except for Aunt Robin)?  Sorry it still grates that in a show entitled How I Met Your Mother the women we the viewer learn the least about is The Mother.  

From what I read HIMYM was always supposed to be a “clever” misdirect about how Ted was in  love with Robin.   It might have worked in a 2 hour movie format or even as a Netflix 3/4 season show you can binge watch in a couple days.   It just pissed everyone off as a 7 (?) season show that people waited years to find out who the mother was only to find out didn’t actually matter to the plot.  

Edited July 16, 2020 by Chaos Theory

[BlackberryJam]

Nine seasons. And the last two were so damn painful.