Erika Girardi/Erika Jayne: Let them eat cake

[Mindthinkr]

@ivygirl Good on you for remembering and finding that clip! 

[HunterHunted]

5 hours ago, biakbiak said:

When one of the woman called another woman a cunt on the RHoSydney reunion all the woman were taken aback by it and didnt appear it react like it was a normal thing to call a woman even in Australia.

The women were also pissed when Gina Liano called the rest of them "fucking cunts" on a hot Mic on season 1 of RHoMelbourne. When called on it during the reunion, Gina denied saying it even though she'd just watched the clip. Watch Melbourne it's amazing.

[link417]

2 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

The women were also pissed when Gina Liano called the rest of them "fucking cunts" on a hot Mic on season 1 of RHoMelbourne. When called on it during the reunion, Gina denied saying it even though she'd just watched the clip. Watch Melbourne it's amazing.

I love Gina but I am amazed at how she is able to lie like there is no such thing as the truth! I have not found anyone close to her level on RHOBH or any other franchise, though Phaedra comes close. Must be a lawyer thing . . .

[Mindthinkr]

13 minutes ago, link417 said:

I love Gina but I am amazed at how she is able to lie like there is no such thing as the truth! I have not found anyone close to her level on RHOBH or any other franchise, though Phaedra comes close. Must be a lawyer thing . . .

Isn’t she a lawyer? Doesn’t surprise me. 

Sorry for being off topic mods. I’ll stop. 

[Silo]

Erica: it’s not ice, it’s diamonds.

Nah, I’m pretty sure you are an unintelligent, shallow, hollow person using your husband’s millions to camaflouge the emptiness inside with high quality makeup and clothes lol

 

It’s not ice, it’s emptiness.

[lunastartron]

On March 7, 2018 at 3:25 AM, Kalamityjayne said:

Couple things. While I agree with the coworker thing, Erika’s workplace is a trashy reality show not an office so I’m not sure it applies directly. Did she call the women cunts or just use it in general? I can’t remember. Was she Gretchen Weiners trying to make cunt happen like when you call people bitch in an “endearing” way?  

 

What do the other women wear under their short tight dresses? Going commando is common and I’d say with those dresses nearly necesssary. Still, one needs to be aware of what’s going on down there if you’re commando unless you’ve brought a snatch blocker like RHONY. Who was it that had to keep playing that role for Sonja that one weekend get away?

i just don’t think its a big enough deal for some forgotten HW to be tweeting about. Like another poster said she’s at least a year late. Also, is the poster who is writing essays defending mystery HW Kathryn an irl friend of hers? It’s just a lot of passion for such an unknown entity. 

Well she got called cunt as an insult. The stupid adding onto it. She was also there with a new bf so I’m sure that made it even more embarrassing/awkward.  Even if Erika is a fan of the word I imagine she wouldn’t agree with Doridiots usage of it in this instance. She was just gunning for Camille for no reason. 

Erika has used "cunt" as an explicit insult. "Fucking" added onto it at least once. And doubled down on that usage. 

[Scout Finch]

On 3/6/2018 at 12:26 PM, gundysgirl said:

True. If she wants to remain relevant, she needs to take her game up a notch. 

Or her game up a crotch.

[Kalamityjayne]

On 08/03/2018 at 9:03 PM, lunastartron said:

Erika has used "cunt" as an explicit insult. "Fucking" added onto it at least once. And doubled down on that usage. 

But not at Camille so what’s the point? It doesn’t make Dorit saying it to Camille any better. 

[link417]

Whoa, I'm watching this German film "High Society" and in the very first scene with these 2 trashy nurses, they're playing Erika's song "XXpen$ive." I was a bit taken aback because it's the first time I've heard one of her songs in 'real life,' outside of RHOBH.

[lunastartron]

5 hours ago, Kalamityjayne said:

But not at Camille so what’s the point? It doesn’t make Dorit saying it to Camille any better. 

In your original post, you asked if Erika has used the term generally or specifically called someone that term. I was responding to that as well as to the argument that Erika "wouldn't agree with" Dorit's usage of the word re: Camille.

Both used it as an insult/epithet directed at a particular target. Each used it in a capacity similar to each other.

[princelina]

On 3/8/2018 at 9:03 PM, lunastartron said:

Erika has used "cunt" as an explicit insult. "Fucking" added onto it at least once. And doubled down on that usage. 

I am not arguing with you, just curious as to when she did that?  From what I recall, she expounded on the virtues of and her love for the word, which offended some of the other ladies.  And then she impressed them with her necklace :). But I don't remember her insulting people by deliberately calling them that.

[Kalamityjayne]

18 minutes ago, princelina said:

I am not arguing with you, just curious as to when she did that?  From what I recall, she expounded on the virtues of and her love for the word, which offended some of the other ladies.  And then she impressed them with her necklace :). But I don't remember her insulting people by deliberately calling them that.

I don’t remember either. I just remember them clutching pearls because she used the term in general.

 

2 hours ago, lunastartron said:

In your original post, you asked if Erika has used the term generally or specifically called someone that term. I was responding to that as well as to the argument that Erika "wouldn't agree with" Dorit's usage of the word re: Camille.

Both used it as an insult/epithet directed at a particular target. Each used it in a capacity similar to each other.

What you bolded in the quote you replied to didn’t say that, it was me saying Dorit used it as an insult gunning at Camille for no reason and that Erika prob wouldn’t agree with that usage no matter her fondness for the word....

[lunastartron]

11 hours ago, princelina said:

I am not arguing with you, just curious as to when she did that?  From what I recall, she expounded on the virtues of and her love for the word, which offended some of the other ladies.  And then she impressed them with her necklace :). But I don't remember her insulting people by deliberately calling them that.

It's been several years so I may have forgotten instances (or may have not). 

She unequivocally called Kathryn a "fucking cunt" over their disagreements and proclaimed/at the reunion that year something to the effect of, to paraphrase, "I called you a cunt and I'd do it again because what you did was a cunt move."

I think there was a whole back and forth at the reunion as well in which the women by consensus more or less agreed that "cunt" was okay as long as it was a reclaimed epithet/being spun into a positive. But that it was objectionable if Erika were to use it as an actual epithet and she didn't deny using it in that way on other occasions. 

[zoeysmom]

11 hours ago, Kalamityjayne said:

I don’t remember either. I just remember them clutching pearls because she used the term in general.

 

What you bolded in the quote you replied to didn’t say that, it was me saying Dorit used it as an insult gunning at Camille for no reason and that Erika prob wouldn’t agree with that usage no matter her fondness for the word....

Even Camille has said Dorit cunt calling was not malicious.  Dorit was drunk and showing off.  Although Dorit apologized and Camille claimed to accept, it is something Camille won't forget or let die.

Erika referred to other women as"cunts" in conversation and eventually convinced Kathryn it was a word of female empowerment if you called it "cunty".

[Kalamityjayne]

4 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Even Camille has said Dorit cunt calling was not malicious.  Dorit was drunk and showing off.  Although Dorit apologized and Camille claimed to accept, it is something Camille won't forget or let die.

Erika referred to other women as"cunts" in conversation and eventually convinced Kathryn it was a word of female empowerment if you called it "cunty".

Not gonna lie, I think Dorit is a cunt so idc if Camille doesn’t let it die.

4 hours ago, lunastartron said:

It's been several years so I may have forgotten instances (or may have not). 

She unequivocally called Kathryn a "fucking cunt" over their disagreements and proclaimed/at the reunion that year something to the effect of, to paraphrase, "I called you a cunt and I'd do it again because what you did was a cunt move."

I think there was a whole back and forth at the reunion as well in which the women by consensus more or less agreed that "cunt" was okay as long as it was a reclaimed epithet/being spun into a positive. But that it was objectionable if Erika were to use it as an actual epithet and she didn't deny using it in that way on other occasions. 

Who is Kathryn? I wonder how many lame housewives I’ve forgotten over the years.

[SuprSuprElevated]

10 minutes ago, Kalamityjayne said:

Who is Kathryn? I wonder how many lame housewives I’ve forgotten over the years.

Again, Kathryn Edwards, formerly married to Marcus Allen, who was a professional football player and confidant of O.J. Simpson.

https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/kathryn-edwards-fired-from-rhobh-after-one-season-w208702/

[link417]

13 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Again, Kathryn Edwards, formerly married to Marcus Allen, who was a professional football player and confidant of O.J. Simpson.

https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/kathryn-edwards-fired-from-rhobh-after-one-season-w208702/

LMAO, The Housewife Time Forgot. Can we make this a sticky? I feel her slipping from my mind already.

I don’t like Erika snarling at Teddi in the upcoming ep. It’s like she doesn’t want to be a part of the fight so at first she hemmed and hawed until admitting her feelings to Teddi, then when she’s back with the group it’s “maybe I did, maybe I didn’t.” Yeah, bitch, that’s pretend amnesia! Where’s the Erika who keeps it real?! Instead she’s biting poor Teddi’s head off (who looks as if she’s said the first snarky thing in her life and is already regretting it, LOL).

[Drumpf1737]

Erika was on the Bitch Sesh podcast. Hate the podcast but her interview was interesting and informative especially as it relates to how their real interactions and how fights play out off camera.

[zoeysmom]

Erika in People:

Meanwhile People gives Erika an exclusive and published parts of her book excerpts. 

Erika Girardi on Painful Past — and Realizing She Was in a 'Wealthy Coma' After Marriage

From the outside, Erika Girardi looks to have a picture perfect life. Outspoken and confident, Girardi, whose alter ego Erika Jayne epitomizes glamour, became a fan favorite on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills when she joined the cast in 2015.

But Girardi’s past is far from flawless and she’s opening up about her hardships in her new book, Pretty Mess.

Watch the full episode of People Features:  Erika Girardi — I Like to Break the Rules, streaming now on  PeopleTV.com, or download the PeopleTV app on your favorite device.

“I’ve worked very hard for everything I’ve ever had,” she tells PEOPLE exclusively in this week’s issue. “But it’s my journey. And I don’t regret anything.”

Girardi, 46, was just 9 months old when her father left; she was raised by a young single mother, Renee, whose parenting style at times left something to be desired.

“She was under a lot of pressure,” says Girardi of her “critical” mother. “So it was definitely hard at times. There wasn’t a lot of time to be coddled. So I had to grow up quickly.”

At 18, “my mother told me to pay rent or get out,” says Girardi, who moved to New York City to pursue her love of performing. She began working as a Go-Go dancer where she realized her sometimes gritty upbringing came in handy in the real world.

“It taught me to be self-reliant,” she says. “It also taught me to be incredibly resilient, to bounce back and assess situations quickly. I trust my gut a lot.”

Girardi was 20 years old when she gave birth to a son, Thomas, now 25, but split from Thomas’ father after a brief marriage. Determined to make it in Hollywood, Girardi decided to move to Los Angeles, leaving Thomas in N.Y.C. with his father.

“It was the biggest risk I’ve ever taken,” says Girardi, who admits that temporarily leaving her son, “weighed heavy on my heart.” Says Girardi: “I was panicked, but I was committed to succeeding. And I knew he’d end up here with me eventually.”

The reality star was working as a cocktail waitress at the restaurant Chasen’s (and auditioning for acting roles) when she met her future husband, famed attorney Tom Girardi.

After they wed, Girardi says she settled into Tom’s professional world, and though she was happy, she began to lose sight of herself.

“I was living Tom’s life,” says Girardi. “There are only so many material things you can have before it becomes boring. There are only so many dinners, so many things you can buy. I was complacent. I was in a wealthy coma and I wasn’t looking inward.”

And so Girardi, who had loved performing since she was five years old, decided to give the stage another shot.

“I wanted to create again,” says Girardi, whose alter ego Erika Jayne would eventually top the dance music charts with hits like “Painkllr” and “Get It Tonight.” Says Girardi, “I had to be brave enough to say, ‘I’m not fulfilled.’ ”

The singer and reality star admits that starting a music career at 35 did raise some eyebrows.

“People told me I was insane,” says Girardi. “Erika Jayne was born out of rebellion. I like to break the rules.”

Now, Girardi says she’s grateful she took chances, both with the show and with her career — and says she’s not slowing down anytime soon.

“I’m a big dreamer,” she says. “And I have a lot more things to do!”

http://people.com/tv/rhobh-erika-girardi-painful-past-wealthy-coma/

Edited March 15, 2018 by zoeysmom

[MatildaMoody]

Is it wrong that I am enjoying Erika's backlash? I generally hate social media backlash against a reality show participant (because the anger tends to be disproportionate to the actual offense), but seeing so many people say things like "I love you, but that was a bad look." or "The mean girl really came out. rethinking buying your book." makes me happy. I guess because the backlash hasn't really been that vitriolic and more of the "I can't believe I used to love you" variety, makes it seem less mean and more about Karma to me. Anyway, I am enjoying people finally seeing past the costumes and shark eyes to see that there is nothing fabulous or even fun about her. She's yet another housewife who believes her own hype and is now seeing she aint all that.

[hoodooznoodooz]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

“There are only so many material things you can have before it becomes boring. There are only so many dinners, so many things you can buy. I was complacent. I was in a wealthy coma and I wasn’t looking inward.”

 

Wow. I think it’s hilarious that she thinks her life is radically different and improved now.

[SweetieDarling]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Erika Jayne epitomizes glamour

On what planet?

Edited March 15, 2018 by SweetieDarling
From the People article @Zoeysmom posted. @Zoeysmom did not say this

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

 

Girardi was 20 years old when she gave birth to a son, Thomas, now 25, but split from Thomas’ father after a brief marriage. Determined to make it in Hollywood, Girardi decided to move to Los Angeles, leaving Thomas in N.Y.C. with his father.

“It was the biggest risk I’ve ever taken,” says Girardi, who admits that temporarily leaving her son, “weighed heavy on my heart.” Says Girardi: “I was panicked, but I was committed to succeeding. And I knew he’d end up here with me eventually.”

 

She left her son "temporarily"? I don't call 20+ years temporary, talk about rewriting history!

[SuprSuprElevated]

13 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

On what planet?

Spewing the 'C' word at every opportunity tends to make one glamorous.  In opposite world.

[film noire]

6 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Erika in People:

Says Girardi:  "And I knew he’d end up here with me eventually.”

 

A quarter of a century later.

Quote

“I was in a wealthy coma and I wasn’t looking inward.”

She looked inward and what she found was a baby-porn persona who likes to wear a "cunty" necklace and rub her pudenda on stage?  

Best argument against self reflection ever.

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“I’m a big dreamer,” she says. “And I have a lot more things to do!”

A line of Twat jewelry followed by another chart topping dance tune,  "Stuff the muff". 

Edited March 15, 2018 by film noire

[Higgins]

1 minute ago, film noire said:

A quarter of a century later.

She looked inward and what she found was a baby-porn persona who likes to wear a "cunty" necklace and rub her pudenda on stage?  

Best argument against self reflection ever.

A line of Twat jewelry followed by another chart topping dance tune,  "Stuff the muff". 

You made me pee my pants, thanks.

[film noire]

18 minutes ago, Higgins said:

You made me pee my pants, thanks.

...here, have a cuntkin, Higgins ; )

~it's a napkin AND a panty!

Edited March 15, 2018 by film noire

[MatildaMoody]

37 minutes ago, Higgins said:

You made me pee my pants, thanks.

I'm sure Lisa Rinna is all over it!

[SuprSuprElevated]

1 hour ago, film noire said:

A line of Twat jewelry followed by another chart topping dance tune,  "Stuff the muff". 

 

[Chit Chat]

From Erika's People magazine interview:

Quote

“I probably have too many shoes and most of them are Christian Louboutin and they are as high as possible,” she says, calling her shoe-shopping habit her one “weakness.”

“The feminine form is just sexier in the highest heel possible,” she claims. “Flats are for quitters, at least in my book, so pumps only.”

Attitude much?  Sheesh. 

[breezy424]

Yikes, she actually said that flats are for quitters?  Well, we know she doesn't know anything about chasing a child around. 

And wobbling around because the heel is just too high to handle (see LVP).  That's not sexy.

She also doesn't know much about 'sexy'.  Maybe that's because she doesn't have any resource other than her looks....like being smart, funny, athletic, making it on your own, empathetic, and being a 'real woman', not a trophy.  She's pretty pathetic.  And she thinks wearing a c word with a y necklace is empowering.

The truth that Erika doesn't want to deal with is that she is very sensitive and insecure.  I agree that Dorit was wrong with pantygate.  But...why would a 'strong' woman be all hurt?  Why would a strong women be all hurt because something was said about her leaving without saying goodby or informing her host beforehand weird?   Because she's insecure and it shows. 

[ivygirl]

5 hours ago, film noire said:

...here, have a cuntkin, Higgins ; )

~it's a napkin AND a panty!

 

Twat of the Muffkin to YA!

Edited March 16, 2018 by ivygirl
Please forgive me, it’s one of my favorite Seinfeld eps and I like to reference it whenever possible

[kokapetl]

23 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Erika in People:

Meanwhile People gives Erika an exclusive and published parts of her book excerpts. 

Erika Girardi on Painful Past — and Realizing She Was in a 'Wealthy Coma' After Marriage

From the outside, Erika Girardi looks to have a picture perfect life. Outspoken and confident, Girardi, whose alter ego Erika Jayne epitomizes glamour, became a fan favorite on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills when she joined the cast in 2015.

But Girardi’s past is far from flawless and she’s opening up about her hardships in her new book, Pretty Mess.

Watch the full episode of People Features:  Erika Girardi — I Like to Break the Rules, streaming now on  PeopleTV.com, or download the PeopleTV app on your favorite device.

“I’ve worked very hard for everything I’ve ever had,” she tells PEOPLE exclusively in this week’s issue. “But it’s my journey. And I don’t regret anything.”

Girardi, 46, was just 9 months old when her father left; she was raised by a young single mother, Renee, whose parenting style at times left something to be desired.

“She was under a lot of pressure,” says Girardi of her “critical” mother. “So it was definitely hard at times. There wasn’t a lot of time to be coddled. So I had to grow up quickly.”

At 18, “my mother told me to pay rent or get out,” says Girardi, who moved to New York City to pursue her love of performing. She began working as a Go-Go dancer where she realized her sometimes gritty upbringing came in handy in the real world.

“It taught me to be self-reliant,” she says. “It also taught me to be incredibly resilient, to bounce back and assess situations quickly. I trust my gut a lot.”

Girardi was 20 years old when she gave birth to a son, Thomas, now 25, but split from Thomas’ father after a brief marriage. Determined to make it in Hollywood, Girardi decided to move to Los Angeles, leaving Thomas in N.Y.C. with his father.

“It was the biggest risk I’ve ever taken,” says Girardi, who admits that temporarily leaving her son, “weighed heavy on my heart.” Says Girardi: “I was panicked, but I was committed to succeeding. And I knew he’d end up here with me eventually.”

The reality star was working as a cocktail waitress at the restaurant Chasen’s (and auditioning for acting roles) when she met her future husband, famed attorney Tom Girardi.

After they wed, Girardi says she settled into Tom’s professional world, and though she was happy, she began to lose sight of herself.

“I was living Tom’s life,” says Girardi. “There are only so many material things you can have before it becomes boring. There are only so many dinners, so many things you can buy. I was complacent. I was in a wealthy coma and I wasn’t looking inward.”

And so Girardi, who had loved performing since she was five years old, decided to give the stage another shot.

“I wanted to create again,” says Girardi, whose alter ego Erika Jayne would eventually top the dance music charts with hits like “Painkllr” and “Get It Tonight.” Says Girardi, “I had to be brave enough to say, ‘I’m not fulfilled.’ ”

The singer and reality star admits that starting a music career at 35 did raise some eyebrows.

“People told me I was insane,” says Girardi. “Erika Jayne was born out of rebellion. I like to break the rules.”

Now, Girardi says she’s grateful she took chances, both with the show and with her career — and says she’s not slowing down anytime soon.

“I’m a big dreamer,” she says. “And I have a lot more things to do!”

http://people.com/tv/rhobh-erika-girardi-painful-past-wealthy-coma/

Was she dressing and acting like Calista Gingrich before? 

And if she was in a wealthy coma before, she’s now advanced to a wealthy vegetative state. 

[Otherkate]

On 3/15/2018 at 11:52 AM, zoeysmom said:

Erika in People:

At 18, “my mother told me to pay rent or get out,” says Girardi, who moved to New York City to pursue her love of performing. 

Join the club.

None of this sounds remotely interesting. 

[Higgins]

3 hours ago, Otherkate said:

Join the club.

None of this sounds remotely interesting. 

It was pretty much go to college or get a job and pay rent. Did she expect a free ride from her single mother? Sounds very much like narcissistic entitlement. Her behavior could be indicative of narcissistic rage.

[BBHN]

Quote

Her behavior could be indicative of narcissistic rage.

Could be, but I don't see it.

[Higgins]

9 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Could be, but I don't see it.

Yes, I know.

[BBHN]

[CrinkleCutCat]

Hmmm.... aren’t excerpts supposed to be some quotes and passages from a book to whet your appetite so you can’t wait to buy the book and read more?! These excerpts do the opposite! What a snooze! (not surprised one iota) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[SuprSuprElevated]

19 hours ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

Hmmm.... aren’t excerpts supposed to be some quotes and passages from a book to whet your appetite so you can’t wait to buy the book and read more?! These excerpts do the opposite! What a snooze! (not surprised one iota) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I'm often astounded at the people who think their life is interesting enough to write a "memoir" about.  EJG needs to take a seat and get over herself.  

Edited March 17, 2018 by SuprSuprElevated

[Neeners]

7 hours ago, Otherkate said:

Join the club.

None of this sounds remotely interesting. 

Same here. I had to pay rent if I wasn't in school full time. Big whoop, Erica.

[ivygirl]

Sounds as interesting as, and as much of a bestseller as, Don Caro’s book. 

Edited March 17, 2018 by ivygirl

[prettybird]

The only reason I would want to read it is if there were interesting, deep info about who Erika really is. Unfortunately, she is so guarded, it’s all just a puff piece. Nothing that has come out of the excerpts is new or surprising. It sounds like a snooze fest. 

And btw, if you are a bored housewife, take up a cause. There are lots of philanthropic opportunities for people with time, money, and connections. Or you could spend butt loads of money to look like hooker Barbie. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

15 hours ago, prettybird said:

The only reason I would want to read it is if there were interesting, deep info about who Erika really is. Unfortunately, she is so guarded, it’s all just a puff piece. Nothing that has come out of the excerpts is new or surprising. It sounds like a snooze fest. 

And btw, if you are a bored housewife, take up a cause. There are lots of philanthropic opportunities for people with time, money, and connections. Or you could spend butt loads of money to look like hooker Barbie. 

Hee!

[CatMomma]

On 3/15/2018 at 1:09 PM, SweetieDarling said:

On what planet?

Seriously.  Hollywood glamour is Lupita Nyongo.  Old school hollywood is Katherine and Audrey Hepburn.

Erika does look like someone making the news right now. 

[Higgins]

On ‎3‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 9:39 PM, prettybird said:

The only reason I would want to read it is if there were interesting, deep info about who Erika really is. Unfortunately, she is so guarded, it’s all just a puff piece. Nothing that has come out of the excerpts is new or surprising. It sounds like a snooze fest. 

And btw, if you are a bored housewife, take up a cause. There are lots of philanthropic opportunities for people with time, money, and connections. Or you could spend butt loads of money to look like hooker Barbie. 

If she was so bored with her wealthy life, why not bring her son out to raise him or go back and raise him? 

[SuprSuprElevated]

8 hours ago, Higgins said:

If she was so bored with her wealthy life, why not bring her son out to raise him or go back and raise him? 

Whoa Nelly, hang on there.  There's bored and then there's bored.  Don't get crazy now.

[sadiebyuca]

On 3/12/2018 at 11:02 AM, zoeysmom said:

Even Camille has said Dorit cunt calling was not malicious.  Dorit was drunk and showing off.  Although Dorit apologized and Camille claimed to accept, it is something Camille won't forget or let die.

Boring Camille will never let it go.  It's her only storyline this season.  She doesn't get engaged until after filming stopped.

[sadiebyuca]

On 3/15/2018 at 5:23 PM, film noire said:

She looked inward and what she found was a baby-porn persona who likes to wear a "cunty" necklace and rub her pudenda on stage?  

Best argument against self reflection ever.

I think Lala from VPR had the same self-reflection.

[BBHN]

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Although Dorit apologized and Camille claimed to accept, it is something Camille won't forget or let die.

It's perfectly normal to forgive, but not forget.