S06.E02: Tuscany!

[Umbelina]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-10/traditional-chinese-medicines-dangerous-chemical-contaminants/7015534

 

Just reading here and this popped up on Facebook.  Heavy metals, pharmaceuticals and endangered species DNA found in traditional Chinese medicines, research finds
By Laura Gartry

Updated about 5 hours ago
 

Some traditional Chinese medicines are laced with pharmaceuticals, heavy metals and even endangered animals, new research has revealed.

[WireWrap]

I'm not saying the Hiltons are poor, but that article gave me no reason to think they have anywhere close to $100 million. It said something like, "they are on their way" to that amount. Yeah so am I! It will take me a few more years. Ha ha.

I think Kyle is close to her nieces, but not AS close as she thinks she is. One thing about Kyle I don't think anyone can dispute- Kyle really loves her daughters, they are her world. Nicky purposely excluded Kyle's daughters from a big life event. She should not have gone. She was slapped in the face.

Nicky didn't care that she missed Farrah's graduation. They all treat Kyle horribly.

IMO, Kyle is very close to Kim's kids, she/Mauricio, have been their rock when Kim was another bender, which was more often than not by all accounts.  She was a young/teen when Paris was born and Kathy/Rich traveled a great deal, so I don't think she is as close to the Hilton kids as she is to Kims. That said, I think she loves all her nieces/nephews and wants to be there for all of them despite how their parents treat her. She (and Mauricio) is the only adult (in that family) that puts the kids needs before her own ego, something that Kim/Kathy (and Rich) need to learn.  JMO

[Pepe the Prawn]

Welcome, Pepe.  Like you, I'm loathe to defend Yolanda because something smells in Denmark, but I appreciate when something can be explained, especially by a trained professional!  I really don't want to believe she's this, (for lack of a better word) disturbed.

 

Is it unusual for people to be barefoot in a dental practice?  It just seems so unhygienic

Thanks so much! I didn't want to post 20 blank posts while trying to figure it out.

It is quite bizarre to be barefoot. I'm thinking they suggested she wear comfortable clothing and her shoes were slip-ons that come off easily??? That's all I got.

I have definitely experienced people taking their shoes off. I think some people see the dental chair like a regular chair, so they don't put their feet on it. It's weird, but in my experience mostly cultural, so I don't say anything.

[crgirl412]

According to a recent report/article, in People I think, David is living in a Hotel while Yolanda lives in HIS condo. She is refusing to leave HIS condo.

They put the Malibu house on the market not long after they got married. Didn't she have Mauricio show her houses LAST season as part of her storyline? I don't think they planned to live in that house as long as they did, it was never their long term home to begin with, it was built as a "spec" house.

Off topic I know:  Many of you are EXCELLENT researchers.  Can you find out ( if we don't already know) who the realtors/brokers were for their Malibu house.  Madison from Million Dollar Listing LA?? 

 

Also, if you crave the LA house porn this is the show for you!  There is lots of crossover with RHoBH due to Mauricio.  Kyle and Mauricio have been on as well as Mohammad Hadid- the King of house porn.  

Edited December 12, 2015 by crgirl412

[crgirl412]

Here is an article about Rick & Kathy Hilton and how they built their $100 million fortune.  http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304250204579433361983265446  It is from the Wall Street Journal.  Regardless of who any of the Hiltons marry it will be a very big deal and a very big wedding with lots of rich people.  I am thinking Kyle went because ha has been a big part of Paris and Nicky's lives since she was a teenybopper.  Just seeing famous people is no big deal and Kyle, to me, has had a fair share of the rich and famous in her life she doesn't need the Hiltons for introductions.  We don't know that the other girls wanted Kyle and Portia to stay home.  Maybe they have developed a sense of knowing when the Richards sister clash to just sit back and accept the fallout.  I only hope that Kathy Hilton and her two daughters watch the show and see the disappointment in Alexia and Sophia's faces when they are told they are not going.  I wonder if they will be able to remember the reason why and why it was so important.  

 

Maybe the bigger question is how the Rothschilds might feel about the Hiltons excluding two of their Jewish niece and Jewish brother in law?

Let's open that can of worms while we are at it!!!  I'm sure that wasn't even part of all of this mess.  I don't think that Hiltons roll that way.  They've always seemed to let Paris and Nicky date whomever that want.  

 

I watch the History Channel and they can't go two days without Rothchilds/Illuminati/Holy Grail/Knights Templar/Vatican/Free Masons show on and if you folks want to see some craziness that has shades of truth at times (IMHO), watch those!!    

[zulualpha]

I don't think Nicky would have been in the lurch without a flower girl, looks like there were 2 (or more) other flower girls in the wedding.  It wouldn't have mattered if Kyle pulled her out. 

 

Let's be honest, Kyle wanted to go to a Rothschild wedding. 

 

That's the bottom line.  She wanted to go to a fabulous Euro wedding of billionaires.  The money of the the Rothschilds (and the Goldsmiths, and Guniesses - family members to the Rothschilds) make the Hiltons look poor.  How rich are the Hiltons anyway??  I am sure Rick makes good money, but wasn't most of the old family money left to charity?

 

It is terrible that Nicky only invited half of a family to the wedding.  But she seems like a bitch anyway, so par for the course.  She is her mother's daughter, and Kathy seems like a real asshole.

Totes agree.  Also I wouldn't put it past Mauricio to fill up Kyle's Judith Leiber clutch with his business cards.  Lots of potential clients at that wedding and Kyle can work it for sure.

The whole thing would be funny to me if I didn't feel the two middle girls really were hurt by the whole wedding diss.  After all they were lumped in on the uninvited list with the embarrassments  klepto Kim and drunk  "let them eat cake" Conrad, Jr.  Ouch.

[Nanny pants]

The yacht and its food looked incredible! And I initially had MAJOR Tuscan villa envy. But yeah, the swarms of mosquitos and the no A/C in the dead of summer? To quote Liz Lemon, "that's a deal breaker, ladies!"

I am not surprised to hear this. I can certainly say a few negative things about the Vanderpump/Todds, but I would never accuse them of not being good care-takers of their pets. Those mini-horses probably live a cushier life than I do! ;)

...and I bet the horses are wearing Lisa's hand-me-down frocks as well.

[Cosmocrush]

I'm listening to the episode again from another room, and for the second time caught something after LisaR and Eileen's visit to Yo at the Condo of the White Bathrobe. Getting into Eileen's SUV after the visit, LisaR says, "I see a vibrant young woman not being able to live her life." Sorry, no, Yolanda is not a young woman. She will be 52 in January, and that is middle-aged. It seems so typical of women in this world (BH, Hollywood, Southern California) to be unable to accept that age happens to everyone (if you're lucky) and even the most beautiful women over 50 can't hide that they're past their youthful glow. That's why many of us think one of Yolanda's many problems is that she can't deal with the fact that she's getting old.

Ouch.  I'm about the same age as Yolanda.    I understand your point and I don't entirely disagree;  it must cut especially hard for someone like Yolanda whose entire life/career was based on her looks but  Rhinna is 52 and Eileen is 56,  both are very busy and engaged in their careers and families etc and I think that's how they saw Yolanda too.

 

I saw Yolanda as someone who was also very active,  traveling all over the world, riding horses, raising kids and of course making MyLove's world as beautiful as possible (home, wife, food, etc.)   To go from all of that to being too tired/sick to bother getting dressed some days in the span of a couple years isn't just getting older and I can totally see why Yolanda (or anyone really) would be deeply depressed over such a drastic lifestyle change. 

 

Getting older is Eileen now playing the mother in the mother/daughter soap storyline she played the daughter in thirty years ago and being able to laugh about it.   Or  being asked to do a Depends commercial, because no matter how glammed up Lisa R. gets, the truth is she's in (or at least near) the same age group as that company's customers. I loved how she laughed about it - all the way to the bank. 

[bravofan27]

Yolanda, imo, is aging herself with all the stuff she is doing. She is treating herself and her attitude is she is sick and feeble and she is making herself worse with all the unnessary medical procedures she is doing. Taking out the white gold crowns in her teeth mean nothing and will do nothing. It is a completely pointless medical procedure which she put her body under undue stress with all that. And was she under pain killers during the procedure? I mean, that's not good for you. 

 

In any case, she is the most beautiful person on any franchise imo. I just think Yolanda is stunning, way more gorgeous than her girls (no offense, but they are only famous and have modeling jobs because they are popular on social media-- look up interviews from real models complaining about it) and even sick she looks beautiful. She is aging beautifully, but her mind is a little ahead of her body.

 

I think Lisa Rinna looks older than Yolanda. She looks the oldest before Lisa V. 

 

I realized I don't care why Kyle went to the wedding. But considering the Hilton's don't show up at anything that isn't a grand party I'm not surprised Kyle wanted to attend the Rothschild event. When she talked about the wedding, she didn't talk about how happy she was for her niece. She talked about how spectacular the wedding was going to be. 

Edited December 11, 2015 by bravofan27

[motorcitymom65]

Off topic I know:  Many you are EXCELLENT researchers.  Can you find out ( if we don't already know) who the realtors/brokers were for their Malibu house.  Madison from Million Dollar Listing LA?? 

 

Also, if you crave the LA house porn this is the show for you!  There is lots of crossover with RHoBH due to Mauricio.  Kyle and Mauricio has been on as well as Mohammad Hadid- the King of house porn.  

Originally, it was a guy named Chris Cortazzo.  I say originally, because I don't know if they changed agents at some time during the process or not. Yolanda gave his name during one of the reunions when the question came up.  That was back when people hated Kyle and Mauricio like poison, and Yo was very beloved. Many folks thought that they would suck up to her in order to get the listing on the house, and she addressed it. Yo was clear that she would have never considered using Mauricio because she would want to use a Malibu agent.  She did say, however, that she had gotten the referral for the agent from Mauricio. 

[jinjer]

Originally, it was a guy named Chris Cortazzo.  I say originally, because I don't know if they changed agents at some time during the process or not. Yolanda gave his name during one of the reunions when the question came up.  That was back when people hated Kyle and Mauricio like poison, and Yo was very beloved. Many folks thought that they would suck up to her in order to get the listing on the house, and she addressed it. Yo was clear that she would have never considered using Mauricio because she would want to use a Malibu agent.  She did say, however, that she had gotten the referral for the agent from Mauricio. 

If Mauricio referred him, then he probably got a referral fee from the guy if he ended up being the selling agent.  That was a beautiful home with a beautiful view.  I would be depressed too if I ended up in that dreary condo.

Edited December 11, 2015 by jinjer

[Wings]

If Mauricio referred him, then he probably got a referral fee from the guy if he ended up being the selling agent.  That was a beautiful home with a beautiful view.  I would be depressed to if I ended up in that dreary condo.

 

 

I posted a link in Yolanda's thread with some pics of the condo.  It looks nice from what you can see.  Not Malibu but not dreary.  

[zoeysmom]

Nicky Hilton is "shocked" at Kyle:  http://www.allabouttrh.com/nicky-hilton-responds-to-kyle-richards-discussing-family-issues-on-rhobh-kyle-defends-herself-says-she-doesnt-have-a-say-in-what-airs-on-the-show/

 

This is all I can say-these Hilton folks as a family have engaged in egregious behavior of the years and Kyle has always supported them. Kyle's kids haven't been arrested, run over people while drinking, had porno films and the various other behaviors their cousins have engaged in. The Hiltons through their lust for fame have caused horrific stories to printed about Kyle's mother and never disputed the stories under the guise of being "above the fray".   Well they are not above the fray.  They are arrogant, self-serving people who use others to do their bidding,  Nicky had the power to stop the nonsense by inviting the family.  She is just ridiculous in her claims of being above it all.  With 250 people chances are excellent that prick Rick would not encounter Mauricio.  It is just utter nonsense that Rick just never has to encounter Mauricio-they work in the same field and there are numerous sales that involve The Agency and Hilton Hyland.  Now posters are talking about poaching clients?  Ridiculous.  Maybe Rick needs to stop being so insecure.

 

After a season of Brandi, calling Kyle a c&nt, pushing her, saying she is a horrible woman, who does Kathy invite to her holiday party-Brandi.  Talk about a lack of family loyalty.  If Kathy is such a good sister she would distance herself from Brandi-but she loves being able to facilitate the attention.  Kathy had no problem excluding Kim from the wedding. 

 

This only became an issue because the Hiltons wanted it to.  Had nothing been said, there would have been questions why Kyle wasn't at the wedding, why Mauricio wasn't at the wedding.  They need to fall on their sword and realize with fame and fortune comes responsibility and consequences-just like mere peasants deal with in dealing with family.  Perhaps Nicky needs to borrow a page from her cousins' book and have a new generation where the pettiness stops-instead she chose to play it forward.   She is mid thirty and can take a stand against her father's petty battles. Nicky didn't mind the show, the exposure when she was schlepping her dreadful book at Kyle's boutique.  A televised event that would not have happened had her aunt not thrown into a storyline.  I do believe Kyle even stated-"all the cousins need to be there".  Kathy Hilton didn't hesitate to appear on another show with Mauricio's mom just weeks before the wedding.  Users. 

 

Nicky had Kyle at her bridal shower. so it is not like she doesn't know etiquette-go to the shower go to the wedding.  Perhaps Nicky needs to take a few lessons in etiquette.

[MatildaMoody]

If Mauricio referred him, then he probably got a referral fee from the guy if he ended up being the selling agent.  That was a beautiful home with a beautiful view.  I would be depressed to if I ended up in that dreary condo.

I only wish my house was as dreary as that condo! Seriously, I could live there and be in heaven.

[Rhetorica]

Nicky Hilton is "shocked" at Kyle: http://www.allabouttrh.com/nicky-hilton-responds-to-kyle-richards-discussing-family-issues-on-rhobh-kyle-defends-herself-says-she-doesnt-have-a-say-in-what-airs-on-the-show/

This is all I can say-these Hilton folks as a family have engaged in egregious behavior of the years and Kyle has always supported them. Kyle's kids haven't been arrested, run over people while drinking, had porno films and the various other behaviors their cousins have engaged in. The Hiltons through their lust for fame have caused horrific stories to printed about Kyle's mother and never disputed the stories under the guise of being "above the fray". Well they are not above the fray. They are arrogant, self-serving people who use others to do their bidding, Nicky had the power to stop the nonsense by inviting the family. She is just ridiculous in her claims of being above it all. With 250 people chances are excellent that prick Rick would not encounter Mauricio. It is just utter nonsense that Rick just never has to encounter Mauricio-they work in the same field and there are numerous sales that involve The Agency and Hilton Hyland. Now posters are talking about poaching clients? Ridiculous. Maybe Rick needs to stop being so insecure.

After a season of Brandi, calling Kyle a c&nt, pushing her, saying she is a horrible woman, who does Kathy invite to her holiday party-Brandi. Talk about a lack of family loyalty. If Kathy is such a good sister she would distance herself from Brandi-but she loves being able to facilitate the attention. Kathy had no problem excluding Kim from the wedding.

This only became an issue because the Hiltons wanted it to. Had nothing been said, there would have been questions why Kyle wasn't at the wedding, why Mauricio wasn't at the wedding. They need to fall on their sword and realize with fame and fortune comes responsibility and consequences-just like mere peasants deal with in dealing with family. Perhaps Nicky needs to borrow a page from her cousins' book and have a new generation where the pettiness stops-instead she chose to play it forward. She is mid thirty and can take a stand against her father's petty battles. Nicky didn't mind the show, the exposure when she was schlepping her dreadful book at Kyle's boutique. A televised event that would not have happened had her aunt not thrown into a storyline. I do believe Kyle even stated-"all the cousins need to be there". Kathy Hilton didn't hesitate to appear on another show with Mauricio's mom just weeks before the wedding. Users.

Nicky had Kyle at her bridal shower. so it is not like she doesn't know etiquette-go to the shower go to the wedding. Perhaps Nicky needs to take a few lessons in etiquette.

Kyle claims she has no control over what is shown on RHOBH. So maybe she shouldn't talk about family with cameras present...

[ryebread]

I only wish my house was as dreary as that condo! Seriously, I could live there and be in heaven.

So could I. But I've lived in a house on the water. And now I don't. I live in a perfectly nice home but it ain't waterfront. No comparison. Live with the sound, sights and smells of the water and then move to a place where the windows don't open quite so wide and the sun doesn't shine as bright and I'd call it dreary by comparison. She'll get used to it, tho.

Yo 's privileged to have such fancy digs on the water or not but I can see how moving from the Bu to town would take some getting used to. #richpeopleproblems

[KungFuBunny]

According to a recent report/article, in People I think, David is living in a Hotel while Yolanda lives in HIS condo. She is refusing to leave HIS condo.

They put the Malibu house on the market not long after they got married. Didn't she have Mauricio show her houses LAST season as part of her storyline? I don't think they planned to live in that house as long as they did, it was never their long term home to begin with, it was built as a "spec" house.

 

I'm thinking while they dated and he was trying to convince her to settle the divorce with his buddy Mohammed....she travelled with him and lived the lifestyle she wanted. Once they married...he probably preferred her just to make the travel arrangements for him, stay home and pick up his dry cleaning. She used her search for the diagnosis/cure to travel to the same locations he was. In California, do you have to be separated for a specific period of time before filing for divorce? If yes, that's why she chased him around the world so he couldn't claim they've been separated for X months.

 

As for HIS condo....was this purchased before they married? I think she planted herself in there to look for the "goods" on him. I can picture her and the "health advocate" rummaging through his things. I think she has stayed planted in there in hopes of getting the condo in the divorce.

 

You seem pretty good as the detective work. I am confused about Yolanda's first marriage. Her wiki page says she and Mohammed were married from 2003 to 2011. I know they separated when Anwar was less than 2.

[ryebread]

Kyle claims she has no control over what is shown on RHOBH. So maybe she shouldn't talk about family with cameras present...

I agree. You might get a kick out of some of the comments from that article. ALL of Big Kathy's girls are messy.

[WireWrap]

Kyle claims she has no control over what is shown on RHOBH. So maybe she shouldn't talk about family with cameras present...

To ignore what was being reported in the press/tabloids would have been a bigger mistake IMO. Kim's out of control behavior put the whole family on every tabloid and gossip rags radar, including Nicki's wedding shower/wedding. The tabloids/bloggers were reporting that Mauricio was NOT invited back when the wedding was happening, so it was already known, Kyle didn't reveal anything most didn't already know. Nicki needs to look at her mother/father for playing ugly games during her wedding and ask why they put their own egos ahead of her happiness and stop acting "shocked" that there is negative feedback for their ugly behavior.

[Mozelle]

Mauricio seems just about the best father on all of the franchise. Contrast his interaction with his kids with people like Joe Guidice or Mario Singer or dare I say Apollo. I mean Kyle and Mauricio seem to have one of the few active marriages with young kids across all of the franchises.. His interaction with his daughters is telling. Look how his daughter jumped to get in his car. And she is a teenager. Pretty impressive.

 

I think he is just over the whole Housewives thing and plays his part reluctantly. It is his wife's thing but it only made trouble for him and he is losing his ability to pretend that it matters.

 

Man, I'm surprised by how wholeheartedly I disagree with you 100-percent of the time about RHONY (Carole Radziwill, Heather Thomson) yet agree with you 100-percent here about Kyle and Mauricio. Heh.

[TheFinalRose]

Kyle had every right to bring up the Hilton wedding on the show because she was invited, and her family had responded they were attending, and they had made travel plans to combine their vacation with the wedding.  The problem occurred when Kathy dis-invited Kyle after they had responded, after Kyle had made plans to be in England.  IMO Kyle was pretty kind to her sister in the way she treated her dis-invitation; she could have been very snarky and mean about it. So Nicky and her parents should not be "shocked" that the bad behavior that they delivered to Bravo on a silver platter made it onto the television. Were they that stupid to think that disinviting their sister, who is in the midst of filming a famous reality show, wouldn't make it on the air???

 

 

[zoeysmom]

Kyle claims she has no control over what is shown on RHOBH. So maybe she shouldn't talk about family with cameras present...

I think Kyle erred when she very publicly went to Nicky's shower, and made the mistake of announcing she was going to the much publicized wedding.  Did the family ask her not to, I think not.  I don't think I know anyone who has been uninvited or has uninvited someone to wedding.  Lisa and Ken changed their vacation plans based on the disinvite.  So it went beyond being a private family matter it had been in the press for weeks.  The Hiltons know Kyle is a public figure who works in reality TV and they certainly know what happens in their lives makes it way to the press.  Kathy didn't think a thing a dragging her drunk sister on Dr. Phil.  Double standards.  Maybe the Hiltons should not use their family when it suits them to be part of a TV show.

Edited December 11, 2015 by zoeysmom

[SCS]

The Hiltons through their lust for fame have caused horrific stories to printed about Kyle's mother and never disputed the stories under the guise of being "above the fray".

Alas, I'm confused -- isn't Kyle's mother also Kathy's mother? Kathy Hilton's mother? Yes, of course she is. So was Kathy complicit in the lust for fame that sullied Mama?

Just trying to understand.

[Rhetorica]

Thanks everyone for clarifying. I did not know this was already in the press before the episode aired cause I don't follow these people regularly.

[izabella]

If Kathy and Nicky want to stop looking bad in the press, they need to stop acting badly.  Same for Kim and anyone else in the public spotlight.  They can't be so dumb as to not realize that disinviting Kyle and family to the Rothwhoever wedding wouldn't be mentioned on tv since it was all over the tabloids.  But, yeah, maybe the family IS dumb since they thought Kim's addictions could stay hidden on a reality show.

[kokapetl]

Did Mauricio say much about it himself? The whole pretence of Lisa lending Kyle a dress was not really believable, I wouldn't blame the people involved for being a little upset that Kyle let it be turned it into fodder for reality tv chit chat with her fake friend.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Kokapetl

[Thick McRunFast]

I have always gotten the impression that Kyle genuinely loves her nieces and nephews but I don't know if I am inclined to believe her when she says how close she is to all of them. For whatever reason I think she's a little star-stuck by the Hilton name and maybe she gets a little thrill out of being able to tell people how close she is to her Hilton relations. On the flip side, her Hilton nieces have never seemed that interested in her. I have a fuzzy memory of Paris showing up for some event or other and standing there allowing herself to be hugged when Kyle flung herself at her. Maybe I'm remembering this all wrong because I don't like Kyle or the Hilton clan but I stand by my opinion that Kyle likes being able to drop the names of her famous relatives. (Even though at this point she is arguably the most famous one in the family.)

[zoeysmom]

Alas, I'm confused -- isn't Kyle's mother also Kathy's mother? Kathy Hilton's mother? Yes, of course she is. So was Kathy complicit in the lust for fame that sullied Mama?

Just trying to understand.

Kathy pushed Paris into the public arena.  She was every bit the stage mother.  Because of the Hiltons specifically Paris and her mother, Kathy, the whole Richards family was put publicly in a very bad light.  Kathy's response was to do nothing.  The book wasn't about Kyle or Kim, it was about Paris and her history.  When untrue and unflattering things were put out there about Big Kathy, Kathy decided not to talk about family matters.  Over the course of six years Kyle has tried to portray her mother in a different more positive light.  So I think Kyle is entitled to handle her interactions with her family the way she chooses.  Too bad if Kathy or Nicky don't approve.

[zoeysmom]

Here is the reason for the disinvite:  http://www.eonline.com/news/722775/here-s-the-kyle-richards-family-drama-you-didn-t-know-about-find-out-why-mauricio-umansky-is-banned-from-hilton-events

 

Just a note to the Hiltons-agents go where the compensation is the highest.  Rick can't force people to stay and Mauricio can't not hire an agent because his brother in law would get mad.  There are two partners from another agency that formed The Agency.  Certainly they are entitled to hire whomever they want.  Rick denied Mauricio his due and what difference does it make how Mauricio left?  I hate to say it family or not, successful brokers help cultivate leads for agents new and old.  After 10 years of giving Rick basically half his commission-if not more-agents, family or not move on or get a partnership.

 

On to the sitcom-just how effing bad was Kathy in the seventies that she is so concerned how she will be portrayed?  I bet if Kyle would have included her there would have been no hard feelings.

[GreatKazu]

There was discussion last season about YoFo ingesting those pills from various countries, and China being notorious for having metals and whatnot in their pills, vitamins and various medications. Back then the discussion was that is how YoFo had so many metals in her body.

 

Doesn't YoFo have ONE doctor? How can she go from one person to another without trying one treatment at a time to at least see what results, if any, she receives? She overlaps treatments, it seems.

 

I remember that episode last season when YoFo had consulted with Mauricio to show her some listings for a "smaller" house. He took her to some beautiful homes in Beverly HIlls, I believe. I am with the poster above who said the condo she lives in now is dreary. It sure is when you compare it  to the homes that Mauricio was showing YoFo and how she seemed to show contempt for the choices of homes she was being shown. She wanted something smaller and yet, she wanted something spectacular. I can't blame her for wanting what she is accustomed to. If Mauricio had shown her that condo last season, YoFo would have given Mauricio a dirty look. LOL

On to the sitcom-just how effing bad was Kathy in the seventies that she is so concerned how she will be portrayed?  I bet if Kyle would have included her there would have been no hard feelings.

She partied with Rick James and then some. That's one thing.

[Trooper York]

"Man, I'm surprised by how wholeheartedly I disagree with you 100-percent of the time about RHONY (Carole Radziwill, Heather Thomson) yet agree with you 100-percent here about Kyle and Mauricio. Heh."

I am glad we can agree on something.

I am basing my opinions on personal experience and not just what we see on TV. I have been lucky enough (or unlucky enough) to meet many of the Housewives in person in my guise of a business owner and former reality show victim. I met Kyle in Altantic City briefly at a personal appearance and she was nothing short of wonderful. She was very kind to several people when she could have easily blown them off with no problem. I really like her.

You know who was also very very nice is Caroline Manzo and her daughter who we met at. Moda trade show at the Javits Center in NYC when they were gearing up to open their boutique. Both good people in person despite how the come off on TV.

On the other hand I have seen Carole Radiz in action in person several times and all I can say is see you next Thursday.

[ghoulina]

To ignore what was being reported in the press/tabloids would have been a bigger mistake IMO. Kim's out of control behavior put the whole family on every tabloid and gossip rags radar, including Nicki's wedding shower/wedding. The tabloids/bloggers were reporting that Mauricio was NOT invited back when the wedding was happening, so it was already known, Kyle didn't reveal anything most didn't already know. Nicki needs to look at her mother/father for playing ugly games during her wedding and ask why they put their own egos ahead of her happiness and stop acting "shocked" that there is negative feedback for their ugly behavior.

 

This. Right here. I, honestly, didn't think Kyle revealed that much. Like you said, a lot of that stuff was already out there. And Kyle and Mauricio both repeatedly said they "didn't know" exactly what was going on. It did not appear, to me, like they were trying to air all the family's dirty laundry. But this is just another situation where Kyle is damned either way. If she says something, no matter how minor, she's guilty of spreading family gossip. But if she says nothing, that lets the Hilton side totally control the narrative, and their behavior in this matter from start to finish makes me think like they want to set Kyle up as the bad guy. 

Here is the reason for the disinvite:  http://www.eonline.c...m-hilton-events

 

So basically Kyle and Mauricio (who look WAY hotter in those pictures, sorrynotsorry) have to live their life the way the Hiltons demand, or else they're shunned from all events? Got it. 

 

*Unshunned* "Oh, but can your daughter be in my daughter's wedding?" *Reshunned*

[SweetieDarling]

How is it that Lisa Rinna can travel with Lisa V. on a whim to fetch a horse in Ohio, but doesn't have the time to visit her ailing father?

[RedHawk]

How is it that Lisa Rinna can travel with Lisa V. on a whim to fetch a horse in Ohio, but doesn't have the time to visit her ailing father?

She doesn't collect any sort of check for visiting her ailing father.

[zoeysmom]

How is it that Lisa Rinna can travel with Lisa V. on a whim to fetch a horse in Ohio, but doesn't have the time to visit her ailing father?

One would think that Lisar would charter a jet to find out what medicine her father took that made his lips swell and ask for the large economy size of the prescription.  (Thank you Ronnie K @ Trash Talk TV. for the idea.)  Didn't Lisar say her father wants to die.  I bet those are fun visits home.

[zoeysmom]

This is some serious dough for a pied a terre.  I wonder if Nicky is using The Agency or Hilton & Hyland as her agent?  http://nypost.com/2015/12/10/nicky-hilton-and-james-rothschild-shop-for-village-pad/

[AttackTurtle]

I have always gotten the impression that Kyle genuinely loves her nieces and nephews but I don't know if I am inclined to believe her when she says how close she is to all of them. For whatever reason I think she's a little star-stuck by the Hilton name and maybe she gets a little thrill out of being able to tell people how close she is to her Hilton relations. On the flip side, her Hilton nieces have never seemed that interested in her. I have a fuzzy memory of Paris showing up for some event or other and standing there allowing herself to be hugged when Kyle flung herself at her. Maybe I'm remembering this all wrong because I don't like Kyle or the Hilton clan but I stand by my opinion that Kyle likes being able to drop the names of her famous relatives. (Even though at this point she is arguably the most famous one in the family.)

Last season Kyle hosted a book signing party at her store for Nicky; hence she got the party and the nationally televised advertisement for her book. Paris also showed up there. No doubt Kyle is impressed by her nieces fame, but she also seems to genuinely love them and is proud of them.

Someone mentioned that Kyle also seemed to just want to be a part of the big celebrity wedding; however she said multiple times that she wanted to see Nicky walk down the aisle.

I don't see Kyle as the type to attend a wedding her husband was not invited to for shallow reasons. She's got her flaws, but she's crazy about her husband.

[Almost 3000]

I have always gotten the impression that Kyle genuinely loves her nieces and nephews but I don't know if I am inclined to believe her when she says how close she is to all of them. For whatever reason I think she's a little star-stuck by the Hilton name and maybe she gets a little thrill out of being able to tell people how close she is to her Hilton relations. On the flip side, her Hilton nieces have never seemed that interested in her. I have a fuzzy memory of Paris showing up for some event or other and standing there allowing herself to be hugged when Kyle flung herself at her. Maybe I'm remembering this all wrong because I don't like Kyle or the Hilton clan but I stand by my opinion that Kyle likes being able to drop the names of her famous relatives. (Even though at this point she is arguably the most famous one in the family.)

I think most of the time Kyle is talking about her nieces and nephew she's probably talking about Kim's kids. She does seem to have a relationship with them whereas the Hilton offspring do seem more like holiday family.

[heatherchandler]

I think most of the time Kyle is talking about her nieces and nephew she's probably talking about Kim's kids. She does seem to have a relationship with them whereas the Hilton offspring do seem more like holiday family.

I agree.  I think she is very close to Kim's kids, but not really all that close to Paris and Nicky.  I think she WANTS to be close to them, but I just get this vibe from them that they are not all that into the relationship.  Like, they appear stiff and cold around her.

[WireWrap]

I agree.  I think she is very close to Kim's kids, but not really all that close to Paris and Nicky.  I think she WANTS to be close to them, but I just get this vibe from them that they are not all that into the relationship.  Like, they appear stiff and cold around her.

Kyle was the sister/Aunt that came to Kim's kids rescue, so she IS closer to them. The Hilton branch traveled a lot and were not around when Kim/kids needed help when the kids were young. Paris is not that much younger than Kyle is, 12 years difference, there is only 14 years between Kyle and Nicki, so I think they are more like cousins to Kyle than nieces in many ways because of the closeness in age. JMO

[zoeysmom]

I agree.  I think she is very close to Kim's kids, but not really all that close to Paris and Nicky.  I think she WANTS to be close to them, but I just get this vibe from them that they are not all that into the relationship.  Like, they appear stiff and cold around her.

 

 

I agree.  I think she is very close to Kim's kids, but not really all that close to Paris and Nicky.  I think she WANTS to be close to them, but I just get this vibe from them that they are not all that into the relationship.  Like, they appear stiff and cold around her.

 

 

Kyle was the sister/Aunt that came to Kim's kids rescue, so she IS closer to them. The Hilton branch traveled a lot and were not around when Kim/kids needed help when the kids were young. Paris is not that much younger than Kyle is, 12 years difference, there is only 14 years between Kyle and Nicki, so I think they are more like cousins to Kyle than nieces in many ways because of the closeness in age. JMO

I think Kyle ha always been appropriate as to being the adult in the situation.   She was a young mom.  When Paris was seven and Nicky was five Kyle delivered Farrah.  So I don't think it works as a peer.  Kyle is not out drinking or drugging with Paris or sending tweets threatening physical violence.  It would be like saying Paris and Nicky are more of mothers to Conrad and Barron.  I don't know if frequency define the relationship or if there is any reason to think Kyle is lying about the relationship she shares with her nieces and nephews.  I personally don't see the upside in being close or advocating for Paris, Conrad or Barron but Kyle has never spoken an ill word about any of her nieces or nephews and of the eight five have been arrested and convicted-that just has to above the average.  IMO they are not particularly nice people.  I also don't see Kyle clamoring to be in their presence.  I think she keeps the relationship appropriate. 

[politichick]

Last season Kyle hosted a book signing party at her store for Nicky; hence she got the party and the nationally televised advertisement for her book. Paris also showed up there. No doubt Kyle is impressed by her nieces fame, but she also seems to genuinely love them and is proud of them.

Someone mentioned that Kyle also seemed to just want to be a part of the big celebrity wedding; however she said multiple times that she wanted to see Nicky walk down the aisle.

I don't see Kyle as the type to attend a wedding her husband was not invited to for shallow reasons. She's got her flaws, but she's crazy about her husband.

Also, Kyle has enough celebrities in her own life that she doesn't have to glom onto the Hiltons'. Moreover, as much as she cares for Nicky and Paris, she sure as fuck doesn't want her daughters to behave like them,

 

Poor Yolanda. The stuff I'm reading here makes me feel sorry for her. But like Lisa said, when you're taking all of that crap how do you know what's working and what's not? I wouldn't be surprised if we learned Yolanda is making her condition worse and wallowing in it. Her husband is distant and never at home and her daughters are in NYC having lives of their own. 

[WireWrap]

I think Kyle ha always been appropriate as to being the adult in the situation.   She was a young mom.  When Paris was seven and Nicky was five Kyle delivered Farrah.  So I don't think it works as a peer.  Kyle is not out drinking or drugging with Paris or sending tweets threatening physical violence.  It would be like saying Paris and Nicky are more of mothers to Conrad and Barron.  I don't know if frequency define the relationship or if there is any reason to think Kyle is lying about the relationship she shares with her nieces and nephews.  I personally don't see the upside in being close or advocating for Paris, Conrad or Barron but Kyle has never spoken an ill word about any of her nieces or nephews and of the eight five have been arrested and convicted-that just has to above the average.  IMO they are not particularly nice people.  I also don't see Kyle clamoring to be in their presence.  I think she keeps the relationship appropriate. 

I don't see Paris/Nicki treating Kyle like their Aunt, between the smallish age gap and the fact that the Hilton clan traveled a lot when the kids were young there is a difference between how close Kyle is to the Hilton nieces/nephews and how close she is to Kim's kids. I also suspect that Kathy/Rich did NOT teach any of their children to respect the Richards Aunts/family, but that is just my opinion.

 

That said, I do think Kyle loves the Hilton nieces/nephews very much and tries to treat all of her nieces/nephews the same, well.... as much as they, Hiltons, allow her too that is. I think Kyle would like to be as close to the Hilton nieces/nephews as she is Kim's kids but I think Kathy/Rich keep that from happening, again just my opinion.

[Avaleigh]

This season already has me hooked. This is far and away my favorite RH show and I love that we're already starting off on an amazing trip.
 

I understand what you're saying, but there are more relationships at stake here than Kyle & Kathy.  Kyle pulling her entire family away would cause rifts between the cousins, rifts between Kyle & her nephew/nieces, etc.  I really think that she's mindful of keeping the good & healthy family relationships intact.  There certainly seem to be some good ones, and heaven knows this family needs as much of that as they can get!
 
I agree with you 100% that Kyle is the shining star.  She seems to be a great wife & mother, Mauricio seems to adore her and to be a really good father, etc.  I'm sure that Kim is jealous of her, and it seems that Kathy is pretty resentful too.  Screw 'em!  Kyle should enjoy what she has, surround herself with people who make her feel good (Mauricio, her kids, her nieces, nephews, friends, etc.), and disregard the rest.  Easier said than done, I know.

I don't believe for a second that Kyle and Mauricio didn't want to talk about the situation on camera. I think they want people to know how ridiculous the Hiltons are being over this grudge over The Agency that has been more and more apparent as the years go by. I don't think there's anything wrong with them being truthful about how Kathy and Rick are treating them. If Kathy and Rick don't want to be seen as petty bitches who don't invite all of one family and want to penalize their nieces for something that they have no control over, then maybe they shouldn't be acting like petty bitches. Just a thought.

Lisa was practically creaming over the drama it was so obvious. She was a lot more subtle once upon a time.

Back to Kyle and her bitchy sisters, I want to address the quote in bold because I so agree and have had similar thoughts for a long time.

I'm going to break it down as I see it. I hate using the J word but damn it if Kathy and Kim aren't both wildly jealous of their little sister right now.

I very much get the impression that Kyle was the third favorite child growing up at least as far as their mother was concerned. Kathy was the prettiest, she married well the first time and she got attention because she did almost everything first. I don't think she felt competitive with Kim and Kyle and I think she felt comfortable in her position. I also think both younger sisters looked up to Kathy in a way. Kim meanwhile was clearly the breadwinning favorite at one point.

Kyle was a cute kid but she went through an awkward stage that carried over into her teens while Kathy and Kim didn't really go through that looks wise. Kyle has been getting better and better with age and is flourishing while the other two aren't but for very different reasons. I'm not just talking about looks--Kyle seems to be getting better in multiple areas.

I think Kyle is stuck in that dynamic where she thinks she needs her sisters' approval particularly Kathy's. She tries very hard to please and seems to put up with an endless amount of shit. On some subconscious level I wonder if Kyle (and Kim) think of Kathy's approval almost as though it's the equivalent of their mother's.

I can see Kim and Kathy both hating on Kyle for coming into her own and building up her own thing when they've always kind of thought of her as lacking in certain ways. I also think they both resent the success that Kyle has had with the show and the opportunity she has with her upcoming TV project. Kathy wanted her own hit show and tried several times but wasn't successful. Kim was obviously a disaster on RHBH and didn't make anything out of her opportunity. Kyle OTOH and Lisa have done the best job out of the BH cast of taking this gig and blowing it up into something that has improved the quality of her life. Not many people can say that after participating in a reality show. I know a lot of people think that Kyle is dumb but I don't really see that. She seems like a well meaning, open minded, forgiving, and loving individual and I've grown to like her more as the show goes on. There are so few Housewives that I feel I can say that about.

I also think both sisters have...I'll just call them *feelings* about how close Kyle has been with their children particularly the daughters. As much as they love it (deep down, haha) and want everyone in the family to get along and be close, I suspect they also resent the hell out of it at times.

Edited December 12, 2015 by Avaleigh

[politichick]

TrashTalk TV Recap-the best is about Yolanda medicine closet.  http://www.trashtalktv.com/12/09/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-recap-yo-yo-diets-and-the-shadies-of-london/375011/

OMG: It is too funny: Take one RiteAid with a CVS. If you can’t sleep, swallow a couple of Walgreens and call me in the morning. Genius.

[zoeysmom]

I don't see Paris/Nicki treating Kyle like their Aunt, between the smallish age gap and the fact that the Hilton clan traveled a lot when the kids were young there is a difference between how close Kyle is to the Hilton nieces/nephews and how close she is to Kim's kids. I also suspect that Kathy/Rich did NOT teach any of their children to respect the Richards Aunts/family, but that is just my opinion.

 

That said, I do think Kyle loves the Hilton nieces/nephews very much and tries to treat all of her nieces/nephews the same, well.... as much as they, Hiltons, allow her too that is. I think Kyle would like to be as close to the Hilton nieces/nephews as she is Kim's kids but I think Kathy/Rich keep that from happening, again just my opinion.

I guess I just think the Hiltons can't have it both ways.  From their account Rick and Mauricio worked together.  Rick made Mauricio.  That to me would indicate, unlike nomad Kim, there was frequent contact with the families.  I do question Kathy having to hire Bethenny to take teenyboopers Nicky and Paris shopping.  For a very long time I do believe the sisters Kathy and Kyle kept the families close.  When Paris, after many years of bad behavior, needed someone to extol her virtues, there was Aunt Kyle, talking her up on The True Hollywood Story.   Although Paris and Nicky think of themselves as New Yorkers, they have been very much a part of the BH scene since their early years when their dad set up shop here in the mid eighties.  Granted they were somewhat bi-coastal but the money was being made in LA not NY.  Over the years as the Hilton girls grew into adulthood, like most adults they formed their own social circles. 

 

I am still having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact the Hiltons repeatedly (and I guess they had a few date) set Kim up with Donald Trump.  I cannot imagine having Kim a  prospective first lady. 

[Mariareads]

Kyle had every right to bring up the Hilton wedding on the show because she was invited, and her family had responded they were attending, and they had made travel plans to combine their vacation with the wedding.  The problem occurred when Kathy dis-invited Kyle after they had responded, after Kyle had made plans to be in England.  IMO Kyle was pretty kind to her sister in the way she treated her dis-invitation; she could have been very snarky and mean about it. So Nicky and her parents should not be "shocked" that the bad behavior that they delivered to Bravo on a silver platter made it onto the television. Were they that stupid to think that disinviting their sister, who is in the midst of filming a famous reality show, wouldn't make it on the air???

So agree with you! I think this entire thing is just nasty. Kathy and Kim seem to have major envy problems when it comes to Kyle. So what if her husband left a firm to start his own? It's the USA. We are encouraged to do that! He saw old man Hilton raking in $$$'s and was smart enough to know he could do the very same. Whether I like Kyle or don't like her is immaterial. This is a "reality" show and I have nothing invested in any of these people personally but if I watch it, I'm going to have an opinion on it and just don't see how this isn't petty and odd behavior coming from a sister married into the Hilton family. I have read through the thread and also agree with someone who wrote that we haven't seen Kyle's kids behaving in the same way as Kathy's kids have. The Umansky kids look polite and well centered to me. Anything can happen at any time but so far I really think that Kyle and Mauricio have done a good job parenting their kids. Kathy comes off as an entitled, pushy woman who enjoys having her way.  Kind of disgusting to me. 

[AnnaMayWong]

Nicky Hilton is "shocked" at Kyle: http://www.allabouttrh.com/nicky-hilton-responds-to-kyle-richards-discussing-family-issues-on-rhobh-kyle-defends-herself-says-she-doesnt-have-a-say-in-what-airs-on-the-show/

This is all I can say-these Hilton folks as a family have engaged in egregious behavior of the years and Kyle has always supported them. Kyle's kids haven't been arrested, run over people while drinking, had porno films and the various other behaviors their cousins have engaged in. The Hiltons through their lust for fame have caused horrific stories to printed about Kyle's mother and never disputed the stories under the guise of being "above the fray". Well they are not above the fray. They are arrogant, self-serving people who use others to do their bidding, Nicky had the power to stop the nonsense by inviting the family. She is just ridiculous in her claims of being above it all. With 250 people chances are excellent that prick Rick would not encounter Mauricio. It is just utter nonsense that Rick just never has to encounter Mauricio-they work in the same field and there are numerous sales that involve The Agency and Hilton Hyland. Now posters are talking about poaching clients? Ridiculous. Maybe Rick needs to stop being so insecure.

After a season of Brandi, calling Kyle a c&nt, pushing her, saying she is a horrible woman, who does Kathy invite to her holiday party-Brandi. Talk about a lack of family loyalty. If Kathy is such a good sister she would distance herself from Brandi-but she loves being able to facilitate the attention. Kathy had no problem excluding Kim from the wedding.

This only became an issue because the Hiltons wanted it to. Had nothing been said, there would have been questions why Kyle wasn't at the wedding, why Mauricio wasn't at the wedding. They need to fall on their sword and realize with fame and fortune comes responsibility and consequences-just like mere peasants deal with in dealing with family. Perhaps Nicky needs to borrow a page from her cousins' book and have a new generation where the pettiness stops-instead she chose to play it forward. She is mid thirty and can take a stand against her father's petty battles. Nicky didn't mind the show, the exposure when she was schlepping her dreadful book at Kyle's boutique. A televised event that would not have happened had her aunt not thrown into a storyline. I do believe Kyle even stated-"all the cousins need to be there". Kathy Hilton didn't hesitate to appear on another show with Mauricio's mom just weeks before the wedding. Users.

Nicky had Kyle at her bridal shower. so it is not like she doesn't know etiquette-go to the shower go to the wedding. Perhaps Nicky needs to take a few lessons in etiquette.

Damn! zoeysmom, you DO possess superduper mind reading powers.

I was thinking the same as the above⬆and wholeheartedly agree with ALL that you have written.

[WireWrap]

I guess I just think the Hiltons can't have it both ways.  From their account Rick and Mauricio worked together.  Rick made Mauricio.  That to me would indicate, unlike nomad Kim, there was frequent contact with the families.  I do question Kathy having to hire Bethenny to take teenyboopers Nicky and Paris shopping.  For a very long time I do believe the sisters Kathy and Kyle kept the families close.  When Paris, after many years of bad behavior, needed someone to extol her virtues, there was Aunt Kyle, talking her up on The True Hollywood Story.   Although Paris and Nicky think of themselves as New Yorkers, they have been very much a part of the BH scene since their early years when their dad set up shop here in the mid eighties.  Granted they were somewhat bi-coastal but the money was being made in LA not NY.  Over the years as the Hilton girls grew into adulthood, like most adults they formed their own social circles. 

 

I am still having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact the Hiltons repeatedly (and I guess they had a few date) set Kim up with Donald Trump.  I cannot imagine having Kim a  prospective first lady. 

I think Kyle loves ALL her nieces/nephews BUT that the Hilton clan don't see her the same way. I am NOT saying that Kyle did anything wrong, IMO, Kathy/Rick have taught their kids that they are better than their Richard Aunts and cousins.

 

I know you hate the book, HH, but in it it says that Kathy/Rick were absentee parents a lot, pawning their kids off on others so that they could party whenever they wanted, including having Hilton hotel staff babysit for them so that they could party when they traveled and IMO, that is true.

 

We have seen both Paris and Nicki on this show and, IMO, neither treats Kyle with any respect or with love. JMO

[zoeysmom]

Paris and Kathy the week of the wedding.  Paris looks stunning, Kathy might want to rethink that dress:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3154653/Paris-Hilton-boyfriend-Thomas-Gross-step-Hiltons-London-hits-family-LA.html