S11.E04: 4th of July Cookout

[cooksdelight]

The Finalists are split into teams of three, tasked with creating and presenting a cohesive menu to a crowd of hungry families at a 4th of July cookout. Guest judge Bobby Deen joins Giada De Laurentiis and Bobby Flay to determine which team is safe, and which Finalist will be sent home.

[Skyfall]

It's official Bobby Dean is the new face of the network.

[latetotheparty]

It's official Bobby Dean is the new face of the network.

 

Ugh.  The man has no personality.  Cannot stand him.

[smiley13]

That is awesome that Bobby Deen is on this episode.  Gives me something to look forward to.   

[leighdear]

Awww, I like both Bobby & Jamie.  I'm always happy to see BD, though I'm still mad at him for dumping my girl, Katy Mixon.  I babysat for her family waaaaay back in the day. 

[jcbrown]

Ack, I hate the Deen boys. Is Bobby the taller awkward one or the shorter cuter one? The latter is slightly more tolerable to me but only slightly.

[cooksdelight]

The Dial of Doom is back!!! Yes!!! And tokens!

Giada was dressed like a pre-teen who wants to attract a high school guy with that tiny bright red skirt.

Dom.... just walk off the stage because you don't want to be there. Alex, nobody gives a shit about your wordy Japanese food, especially Eddie.

"They're not here to wait in a line. It's not a petting zoo." -- Arnold

Dom needs to get over the lost ribeye. Or the camera person needs to get off his face every time the word is mentioned. He deserved to go based on walking off like he just didn't give a damn. No one wants to hire someone to host a show if he cannot hang with it until the end. But Giada loves him, so....... he's her Luca of this season.

I don't mind Rosa leaving because she's as loud as Jay, but I don't think she should go instead of Dom. Dom just doesn't connect with the camera, and that's what being a food star is about.

[leighdear]

They need to just give Arnold a show and be done with it.  He's my fave and I really hope he doesn't flame out. I would absolutely watch him.  He needs to make his focus "fashionable" food, and throw some style tips at the end.  I just wish his shrimp had been better.

 

Alex can go.  He has no personality, no spark and nothing engaging.  No way I would ever watch him. He lucked out with a good sandwich.

 

I understand Michelle not cooking her chicken the day before, but why didn't she make up all the kabobs so they could go directly on the grill before the picnic? 

 

I'm done with Rue too, I just don't like her. Just because she's the South African cook doesn't mean it's enough for her to have a show.  Everything she's done sounds like it could be Caribbean.  

 

Don is sadly a dud. Sweet guy, but not for TV.  I just don't think he can get where he needs to be fast enough.  

 

And Jay?  Okra & tomatoes is the most basic, brainless and generic Southern food ever. No skill, no imagination and no uniqueness. And steak.  Whoopie.

[roseslg]

That was predictable.   They seem to be getting rid of the worst cooks first... Emilia will probably be next.  She hasn't been really outstanding in anything so far.  

[smiley13]

I am okay with Rosa leaving, but really wish that it had been Michelle.  At least Emilia was not subjected to being at the bottom again.

 

G-Ahda looked ridiculous in the mini skirt.   Seriously?  Did she buy that in the children's department??

 

Jay was back on his game, but Eddie had another off week.  

 

How did Arnold undercook his shrimp?  Shrimp cook very quickly.  it is a shame that he avoided elimination once again..

[cooksdelight]

And Jay? Okra & tomatoes is the most basic, brainless and generic Southern food ever. No skill, no imagination and no uniqueness.

Totally agree. His personality may be out there, but I cannot for the life of me remember anything he's cooked except for that baby diaper dirty excuse for gumbo. And he's wearing a hat like Pie Stahl. And yelling like Pie Stahl and Lenny. Go away already!

[xaxat]

Canned goods you can put back on the shelf. Paper towels you can put back on the shelf. Freshly butchered meat. . . ?

 

At first I was surprised that Giada wore a relatively conservative top. Then I saw the skirt. She really needs to dial her smile down to ten. Those choppers remind me of one of those dental models they use in anatomy class.

 

Rue looked gorgeous at the elimination. 

 

If Dom's penchant for walking off the set isn't a clear indicator of him not wanting to be on the stage, then I don't know what is. The judges should put him out of his misery.

[vibeology]

Between the miniskirt at the beginning and the "boob window" dress at the end, Giada was clearly in a much hotter bubble than everyone else.

Glad to see Rosa go. I was never a fan. Dom was a disaster on stage and Alex was even worse. I hate the way the judges are so dismissive of international cuisine but at the same time I don't need to know every spice and sauce that goes into my meal. He was so boring. Eddie got a bad deal having to go after him.

[cooksdelight]

The judges should put him out of his misery.

And me.

[Brooklynista]

I once heard Clinton on What Not to Wear tell a woman who insisted on dressing like a twentysomething that the one thing those young women had on their side that she didn't was YOUTH. Someone needs to pass that message in to Giada. Just because you can fit the shorts, doesn't mean you should.

[Clanstarling]

With Bobby and Giada hammering away at the "food authority" bit, it was astonishing to that they rather loudly claimed, more than once, that they couldn't pronounce chicken katsu. (I forget the last word, but it also wasn't hard to pronounce) Seriously? Giada's from the west coast where katsu is pretty standard Japanese fare, and Bobby's an iron chef. Whether or not they faked their cluelessness,they just lost a lot of their food authority with me.

If Dom's penchant for walking off the set isn't a clear indicator of him not wanting to be on the stage, then I don't know what is. The judges should put him out of his misery.

I agree. I think walking off the stage should be an automatic out. And I like Dom. Also, talking over someone else's time is pretty egregious, especially when you have someone holding up cards telling you how much time is left.

Edited June 29, 2015 by clanstarling

[KBS1607]

Boy, this episode was full of questionable fashion choices. You had to worry about seeing Giada's hoo ha, then there were boobs on parade. Then the ladies: Rosa's dress emphasized her hips and Michelle's dress didn't do anything for her. Rue did look beautiful and her outfit was great.

Edited June 29, 2015 by KBS1607

[Brooklynista]

I wonder how far Don would go if they let him keep going when he slinks off the set. Would he walk back to Staten Island?

[Snarklepuss]

If I had to choose between Rosa and Michelle to go home, I would have chosen Michelle.  Sorry to see Rosa go.

 

I still like Dom and think Giada's being hard on him as he seems to be doing pretty well for someone who obviously doesn't have much on-camera experience.  He's actually very engaging and "relatable" in the talking heads.  Not every food star needs to be great in front of huge audiences, IMO.  If that were the case Melissa D'Arabian should never have won.  I think Dom's faults aren't terminal ones.  He could be improved by a mile with just a little training.  I think he more than makes up for his camera-shyness with his genuine personality.  I am just so tired of the fakey fake personalities they tend to love on this channel.

 

And speaking of Dom, I don't agree with Giada that his running off the stage means that he can't wait to get off of it.  I think he's just nervous and needs to learn to calm down.  I understand the issue having once suffered from stage fright in my life.  I think Giada is misinterpreting his body language.

 

Arnold bugs me no end, not sure why he got out of jail free.  Jay is beginning to bug me as well.  Not a fan.  Sandwich Clone guy has no personality if you ask me.  I don't see why they aren't all over him about his on-camera presence, because IMO it sucks.  And I totally agree about Giada's fashion choices.  Stacy London would give her a piece of her mind about the short skirts.

Edited June 29, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[Commando Cody]

That short skirt made Giada look like a cheerleader and those keyhole dresses just scream "Look at my boobs!".  They're worse than just low cleavage because it's like it creates a focal point and you just can't help but stare.  It was kind of distracting - and not in a good way.  More like Giada is really on the prowl kind of way. 

 

The lady with the chicken thighs wasted time trying to break the chicken up.  I thought the Stepford wife was the one who asked for thighs in the grocery store, but I must have heard her wrong considering she was the one who ended up with them.  I watched the episode again and I still didn't figure out who bought them to begin with or what the original plan for them was.  

 

Michelle should have gone home.  I liked Linda Belcher.  

[Rick Kitchen]

Jesus, Rosa, shut up!

[phoenix780]

I liked Rosa, too.  We share a birth date so she has to be awesome.  Oh well- truth is I probably won't remember her in a few weeks.

 

I didn't get the twist of switching ingredients, or not letting them plan a meal, though I guess it preps them for appearing on Cutthroat Kitchen All-Stars or whatever.  I'm also not 100% behind the in-person dials and presenting to a crowd challenges.  To me a crowd is different than a camera- you can feed off of them, or you can get intimidated in ways you might not have happen when it's you, a crew, and some cameras.  Same with watching and assessing performances.  I love high energy in person to a point; can't stand it on television, at least not with the style of cooking shows FN has where it's a lot of close camera work that makes projecting too much come off as fake, imho.

 

Last little bit of bitching: This new sandwich guy (is old sandwich guy demanding too much money or something?).  Was it just my ears, or was he mispronouncing "Tokyo?"  I couldn't get behind his attempt to show off international sandwich knowledge when it seemed like he wasn't saying the name of the city as an, um, authority would.

[HappyDancex2]

Dom seems to have an unholy obsession with rib eye. Is that the only thing he can cook proficiently on a Thursday?

The shot of the back lit vagina table and then Giada's breast window was truly a magic moment. God bless her for letting the FN use her femininity and pretending to be coy about it.

[ivygirl]

I still like Dom and think Giada's being hard on him as he seems to be doing pretty well for someone who obviously doesn't have much on-camera experience.  He's actually very engaging and "relatable" in the talking heads.  Not every food star needs to be great in front of huge audiences, IMO.  If that were the case Melissa D'Arabian should never have won. 

 

Nor would Giada ever have had her own show to begin with, if we're to believe her backstory. She wasn't all that engaging when she started out, and perhaps that's why she's a little soft on Dom (as well as Luca). I do think she genuinely likes Dom -- as do I -- but perhaps her own path to becoming a Food Network fixture plays into her approach with him. 

I can't believe I'm defending Giada :P

 

Anyway, Sandwich Boy and Emilia can go any day now. I used to be "eh" on Sandwich Boy, but his inattentiveness to the time limitations set me over the edge. Emilia has bugged since episode 1. With my luck, this means she'll make it to the end. (I don't think she'd win, though.) I still can take or leave the rest of them, but I favor Eddie or Arnold to win.

[niklj]

That was a total shocker. I for sure thought Dom was going home, producer's favorite or not. What a surprise because I thought they did like Rosa a little bit, too.

 

With Bobby and Giada hammering away at the "food authority" bit, it was astonishing to that they rather loudly claimed, more than once, that they couldn't pronounce chicken katsu. (I forget the last word, but it also wasn't hard to pronounce) Seriously? Giada's from the west coast where katsu is pretty standard Japanese fare, and Bobby's an iron chef. Whether or not they faked their cluelessness,they just lost a lot of their food authority with me.

 

This was all sorts of weird. "Sando what? Kaahhhtsuuuhuh? I don't understand any of the words coming out of your mouth!" Like, seriously guys, the words he was saying were not that hard. Still kills me how they do not mention Jeff Mauro at all, guess he won't be showing up as a guest mentor this season... He should just go with Giada's suggestion about making "international accessible" or whatever.

 

Same thing with Eddie and Jay--their Southern concept is very Neely's. And the same with Emilia and her spices--that was all Jeffrey Saad's stuff. Arnold's idea has already been done (and cancelled) by the first season winner's Party Line with the Hearty Boys (yes I had to look it up). And how many more Italian shows do we actually need?! Why are they not mentioning any of this stuff/

[backformore]

Yeah, Emelia bugged me with her "true story"  about her brother.   Really?   Until he was 21 he thought the 4th of july fireworks were for his birthday?   It's a believable story if she said until he was, say, 12.   But 21?  Is your brother stupid?

I just don't like her personality at all. 

[GaT]

I don't care how good their food is, neither Alex or Dom can do this job (if there really is one) Alex just goes off on indecipherable tangents, & Dom freezes & they're both annoying me. I thought Dom should have gone instead of Rosa, but whatever. 

[mlp]

I was glad they eliminated Rosa and I hope Michelle goes next.  The judges seem to like her but I don't understand why.  The only one of that bunch who I like and would actually enjoy watching is Arnold.  Eddie is good looking and seems like a nice guy but I don't find him very interesting.  Jay is OK but a bit too impressed with himself and too loud.  Dom got all bent out of shape about the steaks to the point of acting like a petulant juvenile.  I've lost interest in him.

 

The camera work/editing of Emilia working on her chicken thighs was making me nuts.  In the first shot, she was bare-handed.  The camera panned away and, when it came back, she was wearing gloves.  Then the camera left her again and came back and she was wearing one glove.  She must have prepared a lot of chicken for that shoot.

[bluepiano]

As soon as Rosa said in her talking head "where's my protein" I knew she was gone. Would things have been different if she got the rib eyes and Jay was actually challenged by having to cook the Portobellos instead of getting to grill meat. Yet again. What I don't like about the big alpha male contestants on this show is that they generally ride roughshod over their teammates. Especially the women. As soon as they discovered their team had the rib eyes, Jay immediately took possession of them. There was never any question. What if Rosa said that she wanted to do an Italian rib eye? But clearly neither of the women was going to challenge the big bull moose.

 

I think this show never knew what to make of Rosa. Pretty much all female FNS contestants have fallen into a few standard types - the Mom, the cute and perky gal, even the ice princess. But Rosa was different, and I liked her quirky personality. (She reminded me of the actress Mercedes Ruehl in "The Fisher King."). I would much rather have seen her stay than Michelle, who will continue to be totally predictable, in both her food and her "stories."

 

Clearly the judges apply different standards, depending on the contestant. Rosa's proportions being off between mushroom and bread translates into lack of food authority. But Michelle serves raw chicken, the ultimate no-no in terms of health risks, and it's just "you've got to be more consistent."

 

Agree with an earlier poster that Bobby and Giada acting like they'd never heard of chicken katsu was ridiculous.  I feel like they're dumbing themselves down for the sake of the audience. Which shows you what they think of the average FN viewer.

Edited June 29, 2015 by bluepiano

[Hero]

The way Dom just walks away when he is finished speaking in every epsiode is hilarious. It's like he has never watched the show before.

[howmanywords]

That was a total shocker. I for sure thought Dom was going home, producer's favorite or not. What a surprise because I thought they did like Rosa a little bit, too.

 

 

This was all sorts of weird. "Sando what? Kaahhhtsuuuhuh? I don't understand any of the words coming out of your mouth!" Like, seriously guys, the words he was saying were not that hard. Still kills me how they do not mention Jeff Mauro at all, guess he won't be showing up as a guest mentor this season... He should just go with Giada's suggestion about making "international accessible" or whatever.

 

Jeff is co-hosting Star Salvation so its not like they've forgotten he exists..he also writes a weekly blog now on the FN site recapping the show and giving his input.

[Lillybee]

I really don't love Jeff but I have to admit that his blog is great.

[Surrealist]

Alex ate into Eddie's presentation time, but I think that Eddie saved his team and got them the win. Eddie was chatting up the customers in line and they seemed to like his personality. I hope that Eddie hasn't plateaued yet because he's one of my favorites on this season.

 

I'm trying to decide who else I still care about in this competition because they all underwhelmed me this week.

[WickedTuna]

I thought I was watching Top Chef the way they were going on about the cars. I guess they need the product placement fee.

I wonder if any of the others were as whiny as Dom about the switch. I thought he was acting like a 2 year old but then stepped into jerk territory. I know it must have been disappointing but he was acting like they were magical rib-eyes that could fix world hunger.

Emelia was creeping me out during judging. She seemed really pale and had on that red lipstick and was smiling like the Joker.

The food sounded really good but dIdn't look so great to me. That's what happens when you have a dumb challenge. I don't need a host that can think on their feet...it's not going to be a live show.

[Christina]

 

What three words best describe how you're feeling right now?

Rosa Graziano: Relief, sadness and a heightened sense of insecurity

 

What was your initial reaction to hearing that you were being sent home tonight?

RG: A sense of relief that I don’t have to do another crazy game-show-style challenge! I was really starting to have anxiety around doing the timed challenges. I love cooking, I love food and I love being creative in the kitchen — playing music, enjoying wine, cooking with friends. The timed competitive cooking thing is really not my style. The moment I felt like I was not having fun and enjoying the actual process of cooking, tasting, plating and being creative in the kitchen was when I knew I needed to check in with myself. I come from a certain “let it marinate” tradition, waking up on Sunday mornings to the intoxicating smells of a beautiful Sunday sauce that has already been cooking for hours, prepared by my amazing Italian mom. Food has always been a full, rich, passionate experience for me, and to rush or force something that didn’t feel natural was starting to become frustrating. With that being said, I had a total blast and feel so thankful to have been able to be a part of such a great experience.

 

What's the best piece of advice the mentors or Committee members gave you?

RG: I guess very early on I realized that many of my fellow cast members were professionally trained chefs that had an amazing sense of food authority and plating skill that was beyond even my Italian mom’s cooking talent or skills. So I kind of had an, “OK, Rosa, you gotta make the most of this” attitude. The mentors were really encouraging during the process and tried to remind me to just do me and do what I know and not to try and be something I’m not, which was pretty cool.

 

Read more at: http://blog.foodnetwork.com/star-talk/2015/06/28/food-network-star-season-11-exit-interview-rosa-graziano/?oc=linkback

 

It's sounds like she had already given up, and the show probably knew it.

[cooksdelight]

Jesus, Rosa, shut up!

She kept saying "Omigod!!!" to the point that she reminded me of George Costanza's mother when she caught him alone with the Glamour magazine.

I don't need a host that can think on their feet...it's not going to be a live show.

Bobby has to explain this away every season, by telling them that when they are doing live appearances, anything can happen. Remember the time they messed with their ingredients, or their mics, or had hecklers in the audience? There's more to this job than a 30-minute stand-and-stir, apparently. And I agree that this episode seemed more Top Chef than ever. I was waiting for the familiar "rush into the grocery store like a madman" music to start.

[Snarklepuss]

I think this show never knew what to make of Rosa. Pretty much all female FNS contestants have fallen into a few standard types - the Mom, the cute and perky gal, even the ice princess. But Rosa was different, and I liked her quirky personality. (She reminded me of the actress Mercedes Ruehl in "The Fisher King."). I would much rather have seen her stay than Michelle, who will continue to be totally predictable, in both her food and her "stories."

 

Now that you mention it, she was a little reminiscent of Mercedes Ruehl.  I agree with you completely about her, BTW.  Although I thought the ribeye went to Jay because of his style of cooking.

 

 

Jeff is co-hosting Star Salvation so its not like they've forgotten he exists..he also writes a weekly blog now on the FN site recapping the show and giving his input.

 

He's also co-hosting the Saturday morning show "The Kitchen" along with Jeffrey Zakarian, Sunny Anderson, Katie Lee and Marcella Valladolid.

Edited June 29, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[tobysmom]

It's sounds like she had already given up, and the show probably knew it.

yes, she does.  But she had to have known that this show is about timed challenges??????  Maybe she didn't realize how hard they would be.

 

I have liked Dom, and glad he was safe.  But, yeah, his not letting up about his rib eyes kind of put him in the jerk territory last night. 

 

My favorite moment was Eddie running back to the meat counter to return Arnold's meat and him running back - totally looked like he was running down the field with the football :).

 

and yeah, Giada with that first outfit - wow, it only made her look silly.  At first I didn't realize she had her hands in her pockets and I thought she was standing there holding out her skirt like a little girl holding out her party dress.

[Snarklepuss]

It's sounds like she had already given up, and the show probably knew it.

 

In Rosa's defense, I never saw how being good at competitive challenges like this show features connects to the requirements of the job of a food star.  Certainly they have to be able to cook on the fly and all that, but competition itself is something a little different and speaking as a woman, I can understand how another woman might not be on board with what it requires.

[Snarklepuss]

I have liked Dom, and glad he was safe.  But, yeah, his not letting up about his rib eyes kind of put him in the jerk territory last night. 

 

My favorite moment was Eddie running back to the meat counter to return Arnold's meat and him running back - totally looked like he was running down the field with the football :).

 

and yeah, Giada with that first outfit - wow, it only made her look silly.  At first I didn't realize she had her hands in her pockets and I thought she was standing there holding out her skirt like a little girl holding out her party dress.

 

Dom:  What was ironic is that after all his bitching, it wasn't the food but his presentation that got him in the bottom 3.

 

Eddie:  Yes, I loved how he made that meat package into a "football", I got a kick out of that!

 

Giada:  In her judging outfit her boobs looked like an ass-crack, and not in a good way.  Another Stacy & Clinton pet peeve feature.

Edited June 29, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[candall]

It's sounds like she had already given up, and the show probably knew it.

Oh, the show already knew it.  She "gave up" because because she realized she didn't have the necessary skillset for this competition.  Mediterranean Mom had the same insight when she was begging those chicken kabobs to cook faster and said, "I have no experience pushing out large quantities of food like this."

 

I'm tired of this show casting all these people who are destined to scramble around and fail.  In the very first episode, Dom told us he had stage fright.  Hey, let's shine a spotlight on this guy every week!

 

The guy with drag queen stage experience probably has the presence to tango through an alien invasion but can't flavor up a shrimp.

 

I can see why Alton left.  His goofy Cutthroat Kitchen, with all the mish-mashed final dishes, is actually more legitimate.

Edited June 29, 2015 by candall

[cooksdelight]

Dom: What was ironic is that after all his bitching, it wasn't the food but his presentation that got him in the bottom 3.

Exactly. He could have gotten his precious ribeyes, yet still walked off the stage because he had nothing to say about them. I still think that should have gotten him fired on the spot, never to return. Ever.

[Johnny Dollar]

I can't recall a season where I found literally every one of the contestants so utterly boring. How ridiculous is it that FN is constantly coming up with new shows being hosted by existing personalities, yet can't find one prime time show for the winners of this debacle.

Suggestion to Suzie and Kermit - with all of the B list celebs with shows on The Cooking Channel (one of the Saved by the Bell girls, the less talented Duff), surely you can find a slot for Stephen Curry's wife and their cute daughter. I'd watch those two playing Candyland.

[JTMacc99]

So...

 

Four episodes in and absolutely nothing has changed my mind on this being the Jay, Arnold, and some other people season.  The dials of doom pretty much confirmed exactly what I've been watching since the start. Those two guys have the full set of skills to win this show (not necessarily to be an actual star by the way, which is not required.)

 

I do believe that Arnold will find a home on the Food Network when this is done. He's pretty charming and knows food.  Having said that, he's had one too many food failures for my liking. Wasn't he on Top Chef? He needs to get his act together with the food, or he's going to get booted far before he should be. 

 

I didn't mind this challenge. I liked the food switch. It did indeed show us who had range.  It also made me a little concerned about Eddie and as I mentioned, Arnold.

[cooksdelight]

Arnold definitely screwed up the shrimp, but he also may have been worried about overcooking them. Ever had an overcooked shrimp? It's like trying to eat tire rubber. At his age, with his experience, he should know better.

[Lamb18]

Jay should go on Big Brother.  He's got that BB shouting at the camera voice down pat.

 

I wish they hadn't switched the contestants' food around.  I liked Rosa and she may have done better with her original food.  Emilia's chicken was purchased by the Blue team - it must have been Alex's.  The blue team was going to make everything curry.  Rosa was screwed because Rue was going to make a vegetarian dish. Too bad she didn't put the portabellos on a skewer, too, but there might not have been enough skewers.

Edited June 29, 2015 by Lamb18

[leighdear]

 

Bobby has to explain this away every season, by telling them that when they are doing live appearances, anything can happen. Remember the time they messed with their ingredients, or their mics, or had hecklers in the audience? There's more to this job than a 30-minute stand-and-stir, apparently.

From what Jeff Mauro & other winners have said, the actual filming of their "prize" show only takes a couple of weeks, and the bulk of their first season with Food Network IS public appearances, TV shows and live demos.   That is, IF they make it that far past the win.  Amy Finley only did 6 episodes, Justin did a single show, and Lenny has done nothing.  

 

Regardless, these folks have to hit the ground running and don't have the luxury of being cajoled and developed over the course of several months.  Dom just isn't cutting it.  Unless it's a producer put-on to provide some sort of "miracle personality" emergence, he needs to just go. 

[Jesse]

Oh, the show already knew it.  She "gave up" because because she realized she didn't have the necessary skillset for this competition.  Mediterranean Mom had the same insight when she was begging those chicken kabobs to cook faster and said, "I have no experience pushing out large quantities of food like this."

 

But to me, that's the one thing the really wouldn't ever have to do if they get hired by FN. If they are ever cooking for an event like that, they'd have time and staff.  Given that we can't ever taste the food on TV, I actually think they put too much emphasis on the taste of the food. 

[JTMacc99]

Yes, but "what you would really have to do if you were hired by FN" and "necessary skill set for this competition" are not fully overlapping circles on the Venn Diagram.

[Jesse]

Absolutely.