S05.E10: House Of Cards

[jinjer]

Respectfully, I think referring to what several of us said about the obvious problem of intoxicated Kim leaving with another intoxicated person is not "bullshit."  It is my opinion. Thanks.

No Bluish Green - I am responding to Kyle's comment on WWHL where SHE said she didn't want her going home with Brandi.  Not commenters.  Kyle was mad at Kim at that point because as Kim left the kitchen she made some snide comment to Kyle and walked away.  Kyle ran after her saying, 'What did you say?" with the whole, come back here, I want to talk to you.  I have no problem with Kyle being angry at Kim.  She was upset Kim fell off the wagon, embarrassed her/treated her like shit at the table and angry.  Kim was an asshole. But Kyle running after her was not out of concern, like she claims now, it was because she was pissed at that moment. It is my opinion.  I don't blame Kyle.  I would be pissed at Kim too.  I think Kyle is now mad at Brandi for what we see next week - Brandi's comments in the driveway, not for the shove in the hallway.  

Edited January 21, 2015 by jinjer

[mwell345]

 

When are they going to get Brandi off this show?

 

I get that Eileen and Lisa aren't above the fray since they're on the show as well, but Brandi just looks even more of a tragic mess next to these two (relatively) classy dames.

 

And I see that, now that the two new ladies have her number and Lisa's sick of her, Brandi has changed her strategy - no longer a hanger-on trying to ride someone else's coattails, she's now a "tragedy groupie," as Gillian Flynn would say. She's barnacled herself to Kim, and you bet your bottom dollar that if Taylor Armstrong was still around, Brandi would latch on to her as well.

 

Judge Kyle all you want, but Kim is her sister and they have a lifetime of history together. It is really disgusting of Brandi to insert herself into that sister relationship again and again. WTF does she know about their jealousy toward one another? Where did she even get the balls to say that Kyle didn't excel at acting? Same crap, different year. She spouts lies over and over again and then plays the victim. It's as bad as what she did to Adrienne with the surrogacy outing. I wish Lisa and Adrienne hadn't been on the outs then, because Lisa would have closelined Brandi for that had it suited her agenda.

 

Brandi is just a classless ho who doesn't belong on TV. I actually like the other women and I'm tired of watching Brandi's low-rent version of this show. Put your boobs away, I don't need to see them in your gross talking heads.

 

It speaks volumes that Brandi would push a woman away from her own sister. Kyle is a lot of things but she's not dangerous or physically violent. Brandi is a loose cannon who just proved herself capable of a physical altercation when she threw the wine at Eileen. I have to wonder what reality Brandi lives in and how bad her behavior will have to get before the other women demand she's thrown off the show.

 

Excellent post.  I was wondering last night if Lisa "anything for a paycheck" Rinna has had second thoughts about this debacle she signed on for.  I bet Eileen has. Eileen and Lisa have injected much needed life and humor into this show, and it's sad that Brandi continues to drag it down into the gutter.

[thesupremediva1]

Excellent post.  I was wondering last night if Lisa "anything for a paycheck" Rinna has had second thoughts about this debacle she signed on for.  I bet Eileen has. Eileen and Lisa have injected much needed life and humor into this show, and it's sad that Brandi continues to drag it down into the gutter.

I am wondering the same. The turnover rate here is staggering. I couldn't stand Carlton last year but I adored Joyce. Both left the show. Adrienne left in large part due to Brandi and her mean-spirited antics.

 

How many more BH Housewives are only going to suffer through a year on this show after being exposed to Brandi Glanville? I lose interest in a show when they can't keep cast members. Even Lemon Queen Yolanda seems done with Brandi. Bravo needs to take out the trash and make room for the new cast members to flourish.

[ghoulina]

I wish Kyle had just let Kim leave, and not tried to get her stay and eat pizza. But I don't think she was being evil and trying milk another awkard Kim moment for screen time.

 

I wondered if, despite what Kim said, Kyle thought she had been drinking and that eating some pizza would soak some of the alcohol up and help her sober up a bit. 

[Mozelle]

But isn't trying to expose an addict's relapse, on national TV again,  just as heinous?  Especially her sister's?  Because if Kyle really didn't want to go there, she didn't have to.

 

Upon rewatch, I'm firmly on Brandi's side (except for shoving Kyle).  I'll admit, though, that I have zero experience with addiction, so I'm very interested to hear opinions on this episode of people who do.

 

Kyle said it in her car ride over and we saw it on Game Night. Kyle tried to pretend that everything was gravy then and it did nothing to help Kim as it pertained to the way she behaved at Dana's place. This time, Eileen even mentioned the elephant in the room, and Brandi spoke up about it. I don't see how Kyle can take the blame for this. Actually, I can. Because it's easier to expect Kyle to be all things--enabler when she pretends that Kim is fine and heinous when she reacts to Kim's high behavior.

 

Brandi was loving every moment of this. She doesn't like Kyle, and if she could stick it to Kyle by pretending to be the only true and dear one for Kim, well, then, Brandi was going to really go for that role. She's awful. She was drunk her damn self but she's convinced that she doesn't have a problem, sees herself as a social drinker who also drinks soooo much when her boys aren't with her. So, of course, she was eager to put herself in the position to be Kim's coddler, er, "friend."

 

The only upbeat moment I found in this whole darn episode was Gigi going into Tyra on ANTM mode when choosing Bella's picture. That was cute. 

Edited January 21, 2015 by Mozelle

[WireWrap]

When are they going to get Brandi off this show?

 

I get that Eileen and Lisa aren't above the fray since they're on the show as well, but Brandi just looks even more of a tragic mess next to these two (relatively) classy dames.

 

And I see that, now that the two new ladies have her number and Lisa's sick of her, Brandi has changed her strategy - no longer a hanger-on trying to ride someone else's coattails, she's now a "tragedy groupie," as Gillian Flynn would say. She's barnacled herself to Kim, and you bet your bottom dollar that if Taylor Armstrong was still around, Brandi would latch on to her as well.

 

Judge Kyle all you want, but Kim is her sister and they have a lifetime of history together. It is really disgusting of Brandi to insert herself into that sister relationship again and again. WTF does she know about their jealousy toward one another? Where did she even get the balls to say that Kyle didn't excel at acting? Same crap, different year. She spouts lies over and over again and then plays the victim. It's as bad as what she did to Adrienne with the surrogacy outing. I wish Lisa and Adrienne hadn't been on the outs then, because Lisa would have closelined Brandi for that had it suited her agenda.

 

Brandi is just a classless ho who doesn't belong on TV. I actually like the other women and I'm tired of watching Brandi's low-rent version of this show. Put your boobs away, I don't need to see them in your gross talking heads.

 

It speaks volumes that Brandi would push a woman away from her own sister. Kyle is a lot of things but she's not dangerous or physically violent. Brandi is a loose cannon who just proved herself capable of a physical altercation when she threw the wine at Eileen. I have to wonder what reality Brandi lives in and how bad her behavior will have to get before the other women demand she's thrown off the show.

I think Kim has been spilling her twisted version of the Richard family acting competition to Brandi. Brandi did say that they talk on the phone everyday. I think it bothers Kim that Kyle has gotten a few acting gigs and commercials since joining the show but she has not. I also think Kim is very jealous of Kyle's home life, as is Brandi, Kyle is married, has grounded kids, owns her own home and has the larger fan base on the show of the 3.

[imjagain]

Excellent post. I was wondering last night if Lisa "anything for a paycheck" Rinna has had second thoughts about this debacle she signed on for. I bet Eileen has. Eileen and Lisa have injected much needed life and humor into this show, and it's sad that Brandi continues to drag it down into the gutter.

I bet Eileen more than Lisa R is asking herself why did I do this. Lisa R seems to just roll with it.

She seems used to dealing with dramatic stuff, maybe not crazy Brandi drama but dramatic people.

On Bravo, there is a clip of Lisa R and Kyle in a limo after poker night, Lisa talks about HH had 2 brothers who died from drinking.

Edited January 21, 2015 by imjagain

[chlban]

Kyle was physically blocking Kim, and Kim was pissed at Kyle.  Then she grabbed Brandi a few times as well.  It sounded like Brandi was just putting her in the car and sending her home, not accompanying her.

 

Kyle wanted her camera time so she could be the long suffering martyr for Kim.  It was sickening.

 

I'm not that fond of Brandi or Kim either, but I blame the whole "scene made" part of it on Kyle.  Kim knew enough to get out of there, and Kyle wasn't letting her leave.  Again.  Shades of the limo debacle.

 

Caring for someone dying of cancer IS hell.  I'm not exusing Kim, but it is.  Also, I am not about to blame her ex here, he's in pain, dying, and probably on a ton of meds himself, not exactly the place to make great decisions.  I really do (did?) admire Kim for taking that on, and no, I don't think she did it just for the free drugs.  There are much easier ways to get drugs than to put you through the hell of watching a loved one suffer and die of cancer.

I am not a Kyle fan. I find her annoying for reasons I can't really articulate and all that crying over the kid going to college... well enough already from all these women and all these shows on that topic. Really, enough. However, I will not fault her for what she did with Kim and the Skank. Kim is her sister. Would it be better if Kyle washed her hands of Kim and let her stand or fall, or make that fall farther, on her own? Maybe. But it's her sister. I have 5 sisters. Trust me, you may "hate" them at times, you may swear you are done, finished, etc., but even as you swear to yourself that this time you really are finished, deep down you know you aren't. Because it's your sister.

 

Brandi needs to keep her skinny skank ass out of Richards sisters business. Period. Trust me it will not end well for her because sooner or later Kim and Kyle will make up and NEITHER one of them will forget the things Brandi is saying about Kyle. It doesn't matter if Kim is saying the same things because Kim is family. Brandi is not. It's that frreakin simple.

 

I have never believed that Kim was clean. She may have given up the booze (may being the operative word) but it's been clear there are some drugs involved, and likely the legal kind  because that makes it OK (yes, that is sarcastic). I have been bored with Kim from the beginning, but as time has gone on I see her as having a really nasty streak. That was on display last night in Neion. No wonder she and Brandi are getting along so famously. They are both mega bitches, they are both stupid and they are both so freakin jealous of the married women on this show I  could almost feel sorry for them if they weren't so horrid. They both need to go.

 

Looks like Yolanda may be getting tired of Brandi too. I have no idea how she will remain relevent or keep a storyline, which I am pretty sure is the only reason she has put up with the Skank thus far. She could go too for all i care. The only thing she offers is great house porn. Maybe BRAVO could fire her and keep the Fridge?

 

Finally, on Celebrity Apprentice Kenya Moore made a nasty comment about Brandi being left by Eddie that has many people on that forum feeling sorry for her and clearly has that idiot  Trump and some of the other pathetic clowns on that show feeling sorry for poor, poor victimn Brandi. Yet the skank can sit there in her TH and say that the fact that the other wormen do not share her perverted sexual fantasies must be the reason all their husbands are cheating. Oh, but then she added "just kidding" so in her booze soaked brain it was OK.  I'd call foul,  but that seems so redundant with that foul piece of shit that said it.

[Baltimore Betty]

We all agree that Kim was not sober for that Poker party and my guess is that Monty probably left her house if she ended her sobriety,  it is a very common thing for people to disengage from the user till they get help in their sobriety also, Kim making Monte's cancer all about her is typical in the manipulative, self centered behavior of an addict.  My other thought was Kim had taken a bit too much of her anti anxiety meds ala game night at Dana's house and perhaps all of the Paris trip.  I see the cycle starting with Kim, she gets mad because others are suspecting or asking her about her drinking, pills etc... but not being able to see that she is fooling no one. Kyle should attend ALANON to learn how to cope and not enable. 

[TattleTeeny]

Kim in the bathroom, "I don't drink or do drugs"

Kyle says Kim seems out of it.

Kim, "Monty gave me a pain pill"

WTF? Isn't a pain pill a drug??

 

She also said she didn't smoke...right after she had herself a cigar, haha!  

Man, she was flipping back and forth at a rapid rate! She says goodbye to Kyle perfectly normally (well, "normally") and then, pow!  While I agree that Kyle is probably not equipped to handle Kim's issues, I don't see her doing anything wrong or self-serving in her interactions with Kim (and I commend her for not completely flipping out or even slapping her, to be honest)--and I include the whole limo scene in this opinion; sometimes people are pushed too far and shit just pops out of their mouths (especially if they've been drinking). Kyle's imperfect (as everyone is) but I can't get on board the "Kyle is using Kim's illness for her own gain" train at all.

I can't get over Brandi getting physical at the drop of a pin either. While I never know the timeframe of the HWs' interactions, it just seems like one day they're great friends and the next someone's getting physically pushed? I've had arguments with my friends before and no one, no matter how pissed they get at the moment, is, like, fighting the other. 

Also, I hate, hate, hate those gladiator "boots." But as for someone's comment that Kyle should style herself differently so as to look better standing next to Kim or whomever. I find that silly; if Kyle (or anyone) likes what's she's wearing--even dumb stupid strappy gladiator flat-soled boots--she should. She's short; who cares? So are a lot of people, myself included. My sister is five inches taller than I am; I'm not going to alter my wardrobe so I look better next to her.

[motorcitymom65]

 

I really liked Kyle in this circumstance, to the point where I want to defend her to other people.  Like maybe I'll stop people on the street today and make sure they understand why Kyle was trying to do the right thing here.  Look, yes, she has an incredible ability to make everything all about her; and I cringed at that part of the wine tasting.  "Oh my God, my sister the alcoholic is being asked to participate in a wine tasting and even asked to smell the wine, this is so awkward and uncomfortable for ME."  Sigh.  But on poker night, I thought Kyle was having a genuine, authentic, sympathetic, human reaction.  She started the evening so proud and happy of her sister's progress (I thought the conversation with Brandi in the limo was pro-Kim, she was trying to show how far they had come; it's always going to be tricky to talk about Kim's alcoholism on camera given how Kyle outed it in S1, but I thought she was trying to make this a positive narrative for Kim.  Choosing Brandi to be the partner in that narrative was a terrible misjudgment, but oh well.)  She became visibly distressed when she realized what was happening, with the aggressive behavior and the acting out.  She literally fled the scene and was clearly going to look for backup, with her phone out.  I suspect she might have even taken off her mic, because until Kim (with HER mic) entered the bathroom, we did not hear a word of what Kyle was saying in there.  Even if she didn't take off her mic, she was texting - whatever she was doing about the situation, she was doing it off camera.

 

When Kim told her what "happened" (true or not, I vote not), Kyle tried to keep it quiet, went back to the party and clearly changed the subject and tried to get things normal again.  But Kim AND BRANDI escalated. 

 

And yes.  Brandi is clinging to "Kyle grabbed me first!" but let me say this:  if my sister were in crisis, and spiraling, and I was trying to deal with it, and BRANDI was trying to physically block me?  Yes.  I would try to get around her, including trying to push her blocking arm out of the way.  Brandi made it physical first.  (More on Brandi in a minute.)

 

Brandi.  I almost don't want to talk about Brandi because then Bravo will think they should keep her; and I'm also not a big fan of "I don't like so and so, take them off the show!"  But she's a horrible person and what makes her even more horrible is that she has absolutely no self-awareness or sense of accountability.  Let's detail Brandi in this situation, and see if we can break down WHY she is NOT the voice of reason here:

 

1.  Brandi was drunk and aggressive herself.  A drunk and aggressive person is not the best choice to tend to another drunk and aggressive person.  (This should be enough.)

 

2.  Brandi has a long track record of shaming and attacking Kim Richards - not just on the infamous Game Night, with the "At least I haven't been in the bathroom doing crystal meth all night, b---ch", but even as recent as the S3 reunion when she announced that Kim had a "s--t stained pillow" that she had forced Yolanda to carry through the airport, or in Season 4 when she tweeted that "at least production didn't find me wandering pantsless in Puerto Rico." The hypocrisy of positioning herself as Kim's protector after this long track record is staggering.  I can't believe Kim would fall for it, but like Brandi, Kim has no allies in the group.   

 

3.  This is all about one thing:  Brandi (and Kim, to a lesser degree) are jealous of and want revenge on Kyle.   It is very plain that the only reason she is being kind to Kim now is a) there is no one else who will talk to Brandi any more, and b) she really wants to hurt Kyle, and what better way to do that than through her sister? Brandi is mad that Kyle and Lisa are friends again.  Brandi knows that Kyle's original sin, in Housewives land, was outing her sister as an alcoholic in Season One.  Brandi figures that by reminding viewers AND KIM of Kyle's original sin, people will turn against Kyle.  "Oh, this is just like that horrible thing she did in Season One!"  Brandi said so herself on twitter last night.  Brandi wants to take Kyle down, and thinks Kim is the way to do it.

 

4.  Brandi has a LONG LONG history of trying to break up friendships.  Last season's war between Lisa and Kyle started when Brandi went to Kyle with the whole 'tabloid in the suitcase' thing, which Brandi did because she was angry they were getting to be friends again.  Now Brandi wants to break up Kim and Kyle.  Down to physically trying to block Kyle from talking to Kim when Kim was melting down.  (Let's remember - Kyle had done NOTHING wrong when Kim attacked her on Poker Night.  Brandi should at least know that now, after seeing the footage.)  But to me, for Brandi to try to break up these sisters is the height of foolishness and - given Kim's addiction history and the genuine danger to her life from her addiction -- that's just horrible.

 

5.  Brandi has tried to isolate Kim and Kyle before.  In Season 3, she told Kim "everyone here wants to see you fail."  At the S3 reunion, as we've discussed, she said that Kyle wants Kim to fail.  That is incredibly dangerous, not even to Kyle really, but to Kim, as Kim herself said.  If she relapses again, she said, she could die.  Why does Brandi keep trying to isolate Kim from her sister, who has been her primary support system throughout her adult life?  For one reason only - to hurt Kyle, and to try to "win" a public opinion battle with her by "taking" her sister.  The same way she "took" Lisa (temporarily, until Lisa came to her senses about Brandi).  

 

6.  Mostly, I just can't believe Brandi's incredible nerve - as someone who knows Kim only through a reality show, and who has primarily tormented her during that show -- in stating that SHE knows more about Kim than Kyle, that SHE is the one who is supportive of Kim - as opposed to her sister who, for better or worse (and lots of the latter) has literally been with Kim through hell, for decades.  The gall of that, the sheer insanity of it, is breathtaking.  I truly think it's pathological, I'm not kidding, that Brandi could think that she above Kyle knows about Kim's disease and knows what is best for Kim and has been there for Kim.  That's a level of delusion for which I think someone could be institutionalized.  And, really, I wish she would be.  Forget off the show - I'd like her off the street.  Bravo can continue filming her, if they like, as long as she's not running loose in the wild.  :)

 

The end!

You go Ottergirl!  Word to your entire post.  

 

What I saw was a totally shocked Kyle. She had just had some very nice moments with both Kim and Brandi. Kim after the wine tasting deal, when she felt comfortable talking about past issues. Then she shared this with the awful Brandi.  I concur with what Ryebread said, and was screaming at the TV to not over share with Brandi (Ryebread, I thought you might have heard me screaming from my own perch over in our portion of Michigan).  The thing is, the fact that she did share this with Brandi told me she felt safe, and maybe thought that Brandi understood what the girls had been through over the course of their lives. Someone yesterday posted that they wouldn't mind this storyline if we ever got real insights on what it has been like for the girls over the years - what were the dynamics that set their course in motion - and we got a little bit of this from Kyle. Listening to her talk about the secrecy that Big Kathy demanded was so interesting to me. 

 

Then, she gets in the house and something is obviously off. Kim is acting like a loon, but so is Brandi. Why all the aggression, especially for Kyle? It looked like she was having a total WTF moment to me. She looked hurt, confused, and scared beyond belief. She had just shared intimate details with Brandi, and she thought that she understood, but now she is enabling Kim and actively taking part in her strange behavior. 

 

What I don't understand is why Kyle didn't see this all coming with Brandi. Kyle is very easy to forgive, and I do think that she wants to be liked. It is just part of her nature. No matter what issues she has had with other HW's (save for the horrible Carlton), she is always able to move on. I don't know if this is a flaw or not (I am someone who likes to be liked, so I get this), but that is what she does. But why did she ever trust Brandi? She is the one person who seemed to see through Brandi almost from the very beginning. Didn't she see that at the end of the day Brandi was willing to hurt her with the magazine stuff (whether true or not true) simply because she was mad at Lisa and jealous of them rekindling their friendship? I have always thought that out of everyone on the show, Kyle is the one that Brandi truly hates. Kyle is always going to have a great life. The show could end tomorrow, and Kyle will still be fine. She has a beautiful family, kids that she gets to see more than 50% of the time, a husband who loves her, is rich, and doesn't seem insecure enough to need to fuck with her face every time the wind blows. Kyle has the stuff that Brandi really wants.  Her one real weakness is her sister, and if Brandi can get the upper hand here, she wins.  

 

The really ugly stuff seems to come next week when Brandi asserts on camera that Kyle has never been there for her sister, and that Brandi is the one who really cares for Kim. Bitch please. The really interesting thing will be to watch who Kim sides with. 

Edited January 21, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[WireWrap]

Kyle said it in her car ride over and we saw it on Game Night. Kyle tried to pretend that everything was gravy then and it did nothing to help Kim as it pertained to the way she behaved at Dana's place. This time, Eileen even mentioned the elephant in the room, and Brandi spoke up about it. I don't see how Kyle can take the blame for this. Actually, I can. Because it's easier to expect Kyle to be all things--enabler when she pretends that Kim is fine and heinous when she reacts to Kim's high behavior.

I don't really care for Kyle but on this, I can't blame her. IMO, just mine, Kyle is dammed if she says anything about Kim using or if she ignores it. Some viewers will always think that sort of information should be kept off screen no matter what, while others say addressing the very large angry/antagonistic elephant in the room is better. The fact remains that Kim chose to come to a filmed event high, noticeably high and that is on her, not Kyle. And Brandi was not trying to protect/defend Kim, she was doing all she could to antagonize Kyle and get more camera time.

[AnnaL]

Kyle said it in her car ride over and we saw it on Game Night. Kyle tried to pretend that everything was gravy then and it did nothing to help Kim as it pertained to the way she behaved at Dana's place. This time, Eileen even mentioned the elephant in the room, and Brandi spoke up about it. I don't see how Kyle can take the blame for this. Actually, I can. Because it's easier to expect Kyle to be all things--enabler when she pretends that Kim is fine and heinous when she reacts to Kim's high behavior.

 

It is always going to be a lose-lose situation for Kyle, she is an enabler is she pretends that everything okay with her sister even when a blind person could tell she is on "something" , but if she quietly goes to the bathroom and ask her sister in whispers what is wrong with her, then she is outing her sister for a story line.

 

This is the part that I find most despicable about Brandi , for  her Kim is just a tool, a means to an end, Brandi is the one who is using Kim as a story line because Lisa has cut her high and dry, she is the one who doesn't have anything interesting going on in her life and who doesn't mind using the struggles of a recovering alcoholic to make herself relevant.

 

Brand iis now crying on twitter that her goal was to stop Kyle from embarrasing her sister again like during season 1 and use her as a story line. Who is Brandi trying to kid?

 

First of all Kim embarrased herself pretty good by herself with her crazy behavior at the Limo and then at the poker table, she embarrased herself with Brandi's help I might add , Kyle didn't out her sister, Kim outed herself with her unpredictable behavior, Kim confirmed it when she admitted to popping a pill. Brandi is still talking crazy as if everything was okay with Kim and Kyle is making crazy allegations about her sister using again out of thin air.

 

Did Brandi not watch the episode, does she not hear Kim admitting to popping a pill? why is she so hell bent on pretending that Kim was innocent and Kyle was the evil witch , It is because it fits her selfish agenda. When Kim is gone from the show and you have moved to another target, Kyle still will be part if Kim's life and still will be helping her sister to pick up the pieces of her shatered life, where will Brandi be?

 

She will be at a bar geting drunk out of her mind, talking trash about every one and still blaming her ex-husband for being a sloppy drunk,

[TattleTeeny]

I don't think that Kyle did anything wrong in this episode... yet my first reaction when watching the episode was  to wonder why Kyle was tying to get Kim to stay in front of the women and on camera?

 

Maybe it was less about the camera than it was about keeping her sister where she, Kyle, was (that is, away from Brandi and away from an empty house). I mean, in the same situation, I'd probably just try to take my sister home with me, but I'm not under contract to attend parties I probably have no interest in, so...

 

Either way, I think Kyle would also be raked across the coals if she hadn't acknowledged Kim's fucked-upness. 

Edited January 21, 2015 by TattleTeeny

[JennyMominFL]

Is it possible that both Kyle and Brandy were trying ,in their own ways, to help KIm. First let me expain that my niece is a recoverin drug addict and my family has been dealing with this for years. We tried to help her get a fresh start by living with us here in Fl and she turned to heroin She was using in my House, round my kids. She also very likely took my husbands pain medication. Addicts will do what they have to do to get drugs. My niece has 17 months cleam right now, but I remember the absolutely sick feeling I had when we went to visit her a couple of years ago and she was clearly using again. It's a horrible feeling.

  Brandy was drunk herself and probably is not aware of how to deal with an addict, especially one currently on something. In her mind getting kim in a limo and sending her home and away from the cameras was the right thing to do.  It probably wasn't . Send a drug addict back to a house full of drugs  when they are  very upset  is a bad idea. What will the addict do? do? Take more drugs. Very possible  Sending Kim home like that might just lead to more drugs and even to ODing, which  I'm sure  wasKyles concern.

   Now Kyle doesn't want her leaving with a very drunk Brandy, doesn't want her going home to get more drugs, so what can she do?  Take Kim and leave. Nope kim was way to aggressive and certainly didn't want to be stuck with the person calling her out.  I doubt she would have calmly left with Kyle. Or do you get Kim back into the house, get food in her and hope that the drugs wear off and she becomes more  rational.

  You don't send a drug addict off the a place where she can get more drugs or alcohol, which is what Kyle assimed would happen with Brandy. I think they both wanted to help.

 Either Kim stays and goes nuts and the cops or an ambulance are called, or she goes home and OD's

  There was no good option last night. Just a  bunch of bad ones and they both may have tried to help as best they new how.

  Kyle may also have thought she could talk Bravo out of showing the worst of it. 

[HumblePi]

In the bathroom Kim says to Kyle, "Before I left the house, Monty gave me something for the pain that the doctor gave me, and I took it. And that's it." She wasn't drunk but whatever she took for 'pain' was some strong drugs meant for someone suffering the pain of cancer. I think she took a prescription intended for Monty and his cancer, I don't think it was Kims drug at all. Only a drug addict would sink that low, and Kim is a drug addict. Painkiller abusers frequently suffer from other addictions like alcohol or have eating disorders or mood disturbances. Kim was hostile and paranoid. I think Kim is using drugs to escape the pain of dealing with Monty and his fatal cancer. Lisa said 'What's wrong, you seem ornery?" and Kim says "I am just ornery". then says "I am so sad, because Monty has not been around. Normally he's with me every night and he hasn't been home". Lisa says "he's in pain, he's dying". Kim replies. "so am I". Kim told Kyle that Monty gave her something before she left the house when she had already told Lisa that she's in pain because Monty hasn't been around. She's lying, and she's attempting to cover up for her drug abuse by making Monty the reason for it.

 

Brandi interfered only for the reason that the cameras were rolling and she wanted to look like the good friend who cares and understands. But in fact Brandi was only being an enabler, which is a thousand times more hurtful than helpful to someone like Kim. If anyone understands what Kim was going though, it's Kyle and nobody else.

 

It was a scary and creepy episode and I don't think that Bravo should have let Kim continue with the poker playing farce only because it was demeaning to show Kim that way instead of insisting she be admitted to a hospital. If they cared about any of these women, they would have. But Bravo is a big franchise for Andy Cohen and above all else, they'll go for the ratings over any concern for their housewives.

 

Oh and Yolanda is starting to nauseate me. We get it Yolanda, your two daughters walk on water and may even become Saints of the fashion world. Nobody has ever had children that they could be so proud of and we are all envious of your amazing motherhood. Hey, you might even become a Saint yourself. Saint Yolanda, mother of mothers to super human amazing children that don't have any faults or failings. Whew, that felt good to get out.

Edited January 21, 2015 by HumblePi

[Cranky One]

Kyle is damned if she do and dammed if she don't. I don't think she did anything wrong.

To all of you that have had to deal with addicts, thank you for your insight. I can't even imagine what you have /had to go through and my heart goes to you.

Again, Brandi is drunk in every episode and she's a nasty drunk. Brandi does not feel good about herself and takes it out in others. I really feel for her boys. Just wait until they become teenagers.

[Satchels of gold]

The saying that addicts don't have relationships they have hostages, really rings true here. I could actually feel Kyle's suffering through my tv. I think that's why Kyle couldn't keep up with the game because her inner voice was screaming...WHAT THE FUCK??? I think Kyle is doing the best she can and has Kim's best interest at heart. Perhaps she didn't handle it in the best way possible but I saw shear panic on her face and I'm sure she did what felt right in the moment. Perfect example of what craziness addiction causes and why family members can be just as sick as the addict.

Kudos to the poster who called it last week that Kim would chalk this up to some crazy med mix up just like last year. Spot on!

I'm so glad for the new girls...this is how you truth canon. They are not playing along that Kim is just wacky and zany. They are calling a spade a spade and forcing everyone else to deal with it.

Loved how Elieen suggested Brandi buy a thesaurus.

I do loathe Brandi but I think in her addicts brain she was trying to help Kim get the hell out of there. Problem is she was drunk and aggressive too. I'm not surprised that Brandi sees Kyle as being jealous. Brandi is very shallow and that is a shallow observation about their relationship. Sigmund Freud she is not, hellshe's not even Sigmund Freuds head injured dog, even when she's not drunk.

[Mozelle]

You go Ottergirl!  Word to your entire post.  

 

What I saw was a totally shocked Kyle. She had just had some very nice moments with both Kim and Brandi. Kim after the wine tasting deal, when she felt comfortable talking about past issues. Then she shared this with the awful Brandi.  I concur with what Ryebread said, and was screaming at the TV to not over share with Brandi (Ryebread, I thought you might have heard me screaming from my own perch over in our portion of Michigan).  The thing is, the fact that she did share this with Brandi told me she felt safe, and maybe thought that Brandi understood what the girls had been through over the course of their lives. Someone yesterday posted that they wouldn't mind this storyline if we ever got real insights on what it has been like for the girls over the years - what were the dynamics that set their course in motion - and we got a little bit of this from Kyle. Listening to her talk about the secrecy that Big Kathy demanded was so interesting to me. 

 

Then, she gets in the house and something is obviously off. Kim is acting like a loon, but so is Brandi. Why all the aggression, especially for Kyle? It looked like she was having a total WTF moment to me. She looked hurt, confused, and scared beyond belief. She had just shared intimate details with Brandi, and she thought that she understood, but now she is enabling Kim and actively taking part in her strange behavior. 

 

What I don't understand is why Kyle didn't see this all coming with Brandi. Kyle is very easy to forgive, and I do think that she wants to be liked. It is just part of her nature. No matter what issues she has had with other HW's (save for the horrible Carlton), she is always able to move on. I don't know if this is a flaw or not (I am someone who likes to be liked, so I get this), but that is what she does. But why did she ever trust Brandi? She is the one person who seemed to see through Brandi almost from the very beginning. Didn't she see that at the end of the day Brandi was willing to hurt her with the magazine stuff (whether true or not true) simply because she was mad at Lisa and jealous of them rekindling their friendship? I have always thought that out of everyone on the show, Kyle is the one that Brandi truly hates. Kyle is always going to have a great life. The show could end tomorrow, and Kyle will still be fine. She has a beautiful family, kids that she gets to see more than 50% of the time, a husband who loves her, is rich, and doesn't seem insecure enough to need to fuck with her face every time the wind blows. Kyle has the stuff that Brandi really wants.  Her one real weakness is her sister, and if Brandi can get the upper hand here, she wins.  

 

The really ugly stuff seems to come next week when Brandi asserts on camera that Kyle has never been there for her sister, and that Brandi is the one who really cares for Kim. Bitch please. The really interesting thing will be to watch who Kim sides with. 

 

I think that this is Kyle's greatest flaw (well, not flaw, but it's definitely a character trait). Kyle reminds me a lot of my own mother. My mom will give chance after chance after chance even when someone has disappointed her or hurt her. All a person has to do is come around, apologize and explain away their crap behavior, and my mom is like, "Well, you know we talked..." Because my mom would much rather keep the peace then to be at odds with someone.

 

I see this as it pertains to Kyle and how she was with Brandi. Brandi has been the same from jump, but I guess when Brandi finally decided that she wanted Kyle around (because Lisa was kicking her to the curb), Kyle saw it as an opportunity to move forward and keep the peace. I ultimately think that's what was going on with Kyle toward Brandi. Maybe not 100% trust but a moment to say, "OK. I see you, but I'm not interested in fighting with you anymore."

 

ETA two things:

 

1. I'm looking at the moment again when Kim and Brandi are talking. Brandi uses typical abuser language when she says to Kim, "No one gets it...I get it," and when Kim says that she wants to say goodbye to everyone, Brandi advises against it. It just felt like when you hear about how the dynamics in abusive relationships go: one party tries to isolate the other by claiming that no one else in the world understand the person like they do, and that they don't need anyone else but the abuser. Brandi is sickening. 

 

2. Kyle doesn't try to pull Kim toward the camera when she was getting her to talk. To the right of the screen is a bathroom, which is where it looked like Kyle was trying to get Kim to go into before Brandi's self-serving ass decided she need to be Kim's saviour.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Mozelle

[howivesforever]

Brandi was only trying to make herself look better. She is and probably forever will be a horrible human being. Anyone that sees nothing wrong with going on tv and repeatedly talking badly about her children's father is a pos. Yes he cheated but when you have children you put them and their needs first and that would include not disparaging their father to the world. Those children will one day see this and despise her for it. She never thinks about the consequences of her actions and it's very sad. Instead of trying to cause confusion and misery in other people's lives she needs to get off tv and take a long hard look at what an awful person she is and try to become a better person.

[HumblePi]

Also, I hate, hate, hate those gladiator "boots." But as for someone's comment that Kyle should style herself differently so as to look better standing next to Kim or whomever. I find that silly; if Kyle (or anyone) likes what's she's wearing--even dumb stupid strappy gladiator flat-soled boots--she should. She's short; who cares? So are a lot of people, myself included. My sister is five inches taller than I am; I'm not going to alter my wardrobe so I look better next to her.

I agree with you on the gladiator boots, they're just about the ugliest thing anyone could put on their feet and calves. They bring attention, that's about all they do. But, isn't that all that anyone wearing those fugly things really want?

[HumblePi]

A poker night should have been a fun experience for most normal people. Unfortunately they took the fun out of it almost immediately with the very first deal. They only cared who won, not about how to play. That's not a shock but putting Vince in the position of having to put up with the madness of these women is unfortunate. Eileen knows how to play poker and she could have explained the game just as well as Vince did. Nobody was really there to learn anyway.

Edited January 21, 2015 by HumblePi

[Duke2801]

Holy fuck! So much to comment on, but for now all I want is ONE question answered. I swear Monty has a wife. Wasn't she shown during the wedding episode? I remember hearing Kim mention that woman getting her hair done with Kim, as Monty's wife. So, why then is Kim taking care of him???? OK, that is two questions.

 

 

I don't know if it was ever confirmed, but it was speculated that the woman you mention is also an ex-wife of his.  Or at least a wife he is separated from. 

 

It is interesting to note that the only indication we have that Brandi has had too much to drink is, she gets nasty.  No slurring, no staggering, no change in personality other than her attitude

 

 

Oooh I've gotta disagree with this.  Her voice gets that high-pitched, slightly-slurry pitch to it when she's had one too many.  It's a dead giveaway.  I think Brandi herself even mentioned it in her first season.   

 

For my part, I'm on Brandi's side, this time. And I also share her point of view regarding addicts/addicitons. It's unfair, but yes, some people have a kind of "addictable" personnalites and some others don't. Some will be able to drink, or use recreationnal drugs -even coke- without any trouble. Some other never will be able to keep it as a "recreative" use

 

 

I need to re-watch that scene again, but I thought it was Kyle who mentioned the "addictive personality" aspect in their limo conversation.  And, in response, Brandi said something in her TH about alcoholism being a disease, not a personality trait. In essence, trying to make Kyle look like an asshole for mentioning the "personality" aspect. 

[LilaFowler]

Kim has "friend" status this season, right?  (Shows how much I pay attention.)  I hope that her relapse is the reason and that Bravo did the right thing.  As for Brandi, her days are numbered.  Even if Kim goes to rehab she should not be invited back in any capactiy as it is clear she cannot handle being on the show.  Yolanda's health may prevent her from filming.  Who else would film with Brandi? 

 

Get her off of this show.   She is a toxic presence and it's not fun to watch.  Aren't these shows supposed to be fun?

[TexasGal]

Holy fuck! So much to comment on, but for now all I want is ONE question answered. I swear Monty has a wife. Wasn't she shown during the wedding episode? I remember hearing Kim mention that woman getting her hair done with Kim, as Monty's wife. So, why then is Kim taking care of him???? OK, that is two questions.

Help me out here.

I don't think this got answered - pretty sure it was his second ex-wife that was shown, not a current wife.

 

Ah, Duke2801 just beat me to it.

Edited January 21, 2015 by TexasGal

[b2H]

Brandi:  "That's why all their husbands are cheating.....Just kidding!"  Ok, coming from someone who was SO HURT when it happened to her, she thinks it's ok to make the insinuation (even jokingly) about everyone else's husband? 

 

And after Brandi's reaction to the very true story about Eileen and Vince's marriage being based in infidelity, the whole thing is just ridiculous.  I'm very tired of Brandi's victim mentality about being cheated on, but then joking about infidelity when it pertains to everyone else. 

 

She just needs to get over herself.

[SFoster21]

Brandi was also thoroughly obnoxious at the massage, constantly trying to get a rise out of Lisa, who refused to bite.

She's like the little boy who pulls your pigtails so you'll notice him.

Edited January 21, 2015 by SFoster21

[motorcitymom65]

Kim has "friend" status this season, right?  (Shows how much I pay attention.)  I hope that her relapse is the reason and that Bravo did the right thing.  As for Brandi, her days are numbered.  Even if Kim goes to rehab she should not be invited back in any capactiy as it is clear she cannot handle being on the show.  Yolanda's health may prevent her from filming.  Who else would film with Brandi? 

 

Get her off of this show.   She is a toxic presence and it's not fun to watch.  Aren't these shows supposed to be fun?

Kim is still a full-time HW. 

[TattleTeeny]

I agree with you on the gladiator boots, they're just about the ugliest thing anyone could put on their feet and calves. They bring attention, that's about all they do. But, isn't that all that anyone wearing those fugly things really want?

Haha--I cannot fathom what people "want" with those horrid boots! But, on the other hand, wear what you want; life is too short--we have to get dressed every day (more or less) so make it fun. I am sure people look at me like I'm a crazed loon for my '70s vintage dresses that either graze the floor (and sometimes trip me up) or barely cover my bum. Kyle's on film, which I've heard adds girth or something, and she's among a few tall chicks. So, she's gonna look short and maybe even a bit squat no matter what she wears, even though she's got a good body from what I can see.

Edited January 21, 2015 by TattleTeeny

[bosawks]

Kim is still a full-time HW. 

 

Kim is a full-time everything.........

[LotusFlower]

What I don't understand is why Kyle didn't see this all coming with Brandi. Kyle is very easy to forgive, and I do think that she wants to be liked. It is just part of her nature. No matter what issues she has had with other HW's (save for the horrible Carlton), she is always able to move on. I don't know if this is a flaw or not (I am someone who likes to be liked, so I get this), but that is what she does. But why did she ever trust Brandi? She is the one person who seemed to see through Brandi almost from the very beginning.

To be honest, I think it's because she's not that smart, and simply doesn't think ahead. Take Lisa V., for example. It never would have played out the same way had it been Lisa, because she's astute enough to think things through and play the game right. Kyle just talks a lot, and doesn't seem to have the maturity to sit back, maybe reflect, and smarten up. It's why she's stick stuck in this co-dependent relationship with her sister. Even after all these years, Kim is still playing her. And Kyle lets her.

The really ugly stuff seems to come next week when Brandi asserts on camera that Kyle has never been there for her sister, and that Brandi is the one who really cares for Kim. Bitch please. The really interesting thing will be to watch who Kim sides with.

Right. From the quick preview, it looks like Kim is telling Brandi to back off Kyle. Maybe the "you were never there for your sister" line was too much. Kim is very dependent on Kyle. She can throw a dig at her, but she can't burn that bridge.

[ghoulina]

Brand iis now crying on twitter that her goal was to stop Kyle from embarrasing her sister again like during season 1 and use her as a story line. Who is Brandi trying to kid?

 

Oh please, if Brandi was so interested in not embarrassing Kim, she wouldn't have called her out at the original game night. No, Brandi's goal was actually to embarrass Kyle, and make her feel like crap. End of story.

[CaughtOnTape]

That episode is the #1 reason I do not get the propensity for girls to call each other bitch, slut and whore as terms of endearment for their friends.  I let people know immediately that it doesn't fly with me, I don't care if you're "joking".  I lost count of how many times someone called someone a bitch at that poker table.  I was embarrassed for Eileen and her husband as he was clearly trying to have a good time and the other women at the table just couldn't shutup long enough to let him teach them something.

 

Kim IS embarrassing and it's not Kyle's fault.  She's a grown woman who can't handle herself and I have no sympathy for it.  What the hell has she had to go through in life that's so bad that she's an addict?  Suck it up and deal with it, hun.  

 

And if I had been Kyle, I would've laid Brandi out.  Plain and simple.  On the floor.  And then I would've stepped over her body, taken Kim to an awaiting limo, put her in it and told her to never contact me again.  

[janie2002]

Everyone has said pretty much what I think. ( I would have knocked Brandi on her ass if she got between me and  my sister. I've never dealt with a drug addict, but Kyle has mentioned that she would dread being called that her sister was dead. I can imagine seeing your sister obviously fall off the wagon, then want to head home where she could do more damage as a scary thing. This coming from someone who doesnt even like Kyle.

 

I will add I think everyone knows Brandi's game now, when she tried to shock Lisa with the "he is hitting your tailbone when you do it" Lisa simply replied "oh you dont shock me anymore".

Also when she tells Eileen "your house is liek American psycho", and she looks at eileen with this look of haha what are you going to respond to that!! and Eileen nods and says "yeah".  Take away her storyline ladies, this will hopefully get her off my screen.

Edited January 21, 2015 by janie2002

[phoenix780]

3.  This is all about one thing:  Brandi (and Kim, to a lesser degree) are jealous of and want revenge on Kyle.   It is very plain that the only reason she is being kind to Kim now is a) there is no one else who will talk to Brandi any more, and b) she really wants to hurt Kyle, and what better way to do that than through her sister? Brandi is mad that Kyle and Lisa are friends again.  Brandi knows that Kyle's original sin, in Housewives land, was outing her sister as an alcoholic in Season One.  Brandi figures that by reminding viewers AND KIM of Kyle's original sin, people will turn against Kyle.  "Oh, this is just like that horrible thing she did in Season One!"  Brandi said so herself on twitter last night.  Brandi wants to take Kyle down, and thinks Kim is the way to do it.

 

Thinking about it, I'm not sure I agree with this part.

 

To me she seems to bond with one person and then prove her loyalty by fighting their enemies (real or imagined) on their behalf.  I think it makes her feel important- or at least act like she thinks she's important- and I think that's more what happened in this case.  I think Kim has some resentment towards Kyle, Brandi's absorbed that and is now spewing it out into the world.  

 

I'm not excusing her, and I don't feel sorry for her.  I just don't think she's clever enough to use Kim for airtime, or to try and split Kim/Kyle up because Kyle's now friends with Lisa.  And I don't think she's enough of an active participant in life to try and get revenge on Kyle for her own feelings, either.  I feel like it's a mean thing for me to say, but all Brandi does is drink, talk about what a victim she is, and get mad at people her current friends don't like.  I'm starting to think she's just an empty person fueled by things around her (and liquor).

[Teddybear]

I love in the previews for next week with Kim/Kyle/Brandi arguing in the driveway, you can see Vince watching the shenanigans from behind the garage door.  Smart man.  

[howivesforever]

The show hit so close to home for me last night it actually infuriated me. Last week I finally had to cut my sister out of my life at least for now. After serving almost a year in jail (3 dui's) and me having to care for her kids (her husband divorced her while in jail) she's back using again and I called her out on it. She did the same thing as Kim tried to make herself the victim because of course I want her to be an addict (ridiculous). She made sure to make me aware of the great support system she has (other users/enablers) while always calling me to bring her from here,there, and everywhere. I just finally had enough. If the addict doesn't want to get help then there's nothing anyone can do. I love my sister more than anything but i can only love her to life I can't love her to death. I had to finally make a choice and choose myself. I truly hope Kyle does the same. Si sorry for the rant.

Edited January 21, 2015 by howivesforever

[JAYJAY1979]

I think last night's episode showed us a housewives take of Jekyll and Hyde..  Read my review and find out why I think this :)

 

http://www.chicagonow.com/confessions-coffeeholic/2015/01/rhobh-jekyll-hyde/

[copacabana]

Yeah some random hairdresser has the magazine with Gigi on the cover. That scene was so forced. Gigi is not the fashion icon of her generation either. What in God's name is going on in this house of delusion? I'm embarrassed that she repeated that. Lol.

 

Gigi and Bella are stunning white/black swans. They could be Lisa's swans! 

 

I can understand the desire to be a model when you're that young. You get dressed up, get your picture taken, feel like a star, travel, have people fuss over you and have you Mother beam with pride. I just don't understand why a parent would want their teen daughter in that industry. It's filled with lecherous people, drug abuse, eating disorders, etc.

 

If Yolanda was concerned with them earning money, why not encourage them to finish school? There are other ways to make money. Ain't Mohammad rich? He's likely footing the bill for their expenses so its not like they've been cut off. I don't know what the urgency is.

 

I wonder what Yolanda encourages Anwar to do. Does he have to be a male model? Or will he have other career options?

 

 

Really and truly!  "I'm the icon of my generation!"  What on earth are you going on about, Gigi?  Cringe-inducing.  One of the many many reasons it serves young people to go to college and continue with their education is to knock SOME sense of perspective into their heads and teach them HOW to think.  And who is Yolanda trying to kid with this "It was so embarrassing stuff"about Gigi on the cover of HB?  These are the only accomplishments we hear this woman talk about, repeatedly -- on both Coasts. 

Edited January 21, 2015 by copacabana

[Persnickety1]

Excellent post.  I was wondering last night if Lisa "anything for a paycheck" Rinna has had second thoughts about this debacle she signed on for.  I bet Eileen has. Eileen and Lisa have injected much needed life and humor into this show, and it's sad that Brandi continues to drag it down into the gutter.

 

Bravo certainly knew who to pair up with Kim on that limo ride from hell.

 

Out of all of the cast, past and present, I think Lisa Rinna is the only one who could have successfully rolled with that as she did.

 

She definitely earned her Bravo paycheck in that limo ride.  

 

Although the cameras picked up the alternating confused/horrified/mortified looks that came across Lisa's face during that limo ride, she was nonetheless able to deal with Kim without saying anything provocative that would incite further delusional ranting and even tried injecting humor into the encounter several times.

 

She's a much better woman than I am.  I'd have had that limo driver pull off at the first available exit or fast food place on the excuse of using the restroom, and my ass would have bolted.  Fuck Bravo for putting me in a car with a stark raving loon who was bordering on a physical outburst.  

 

I'd have made like a deer at the peak of hunting season and scampered far off into that forest known as Los Angeles.  

 

I'm getting ready to watch this debacle again.  I think I spent far too much time trying to pull my jaw back up to my head to absorb it all.  

[ghoulina]

I will add I think everyone know Brandis game, when she tried to shock Lisa with the "he is hitting your tailbone when you do it" Lis simply replied oh you dont shock me anymore.

 

And that's the best answer Lisa (or anyone) could give. Brandi wants everyone to gasp and act all twitterpated. If you just totally dismiss what she says as wholly uninteresting, she will really hate it. 

[copacabana]

The show hit so close to home for me last night it actually infuriated me. Last week I finally had to cut my sister out of my life at least for now. After serving almost a year in jail (3 dui's) and me having to care for her kids (her husband divorced her while in jail) she's back using again and I called her out on it. She did the same thing as Kim tried to make herself the victim because of course I want her to be an addict (ridiculous). She made sure to make me aware of the great support system she has (other users/enablers) while always calling me to bring her from here,there, and everywhere. I just finally had enough. If the addict doesn't want to get help then there's nothing anyone can do. I love my sister more than anything but i can only love her to life I can't love her to death. I had to finally make a choice and choose myself. I truly hope Kyle does the same. Si sorry for the rant.

Sorry you are going through this -- really, really hard.  There really is nothing one can do until and unless the person wants to take real steps to quit and remain in recovery.  Putting yourself at the top of the priority list is the only way to go -- especially since you've knocked yourself out to this extent.  Doubly hard with children involved. 

 

Bravo should be held accountable for the enabling of Kim and the continued co-dependency of her sister on camera.  If Kim overdoses, they will have to address the issue.  Don't see them doing so otherwise. Kim doesn't really want to quit -- and that's her choice.  If she were to just say so, Bravo might have to cut her off.  As long as she professes to want to stop, they can pretend they are helping her and offering a platform for the general issue. 

[BucFan]

I will add I think everyone know Brandis game, when she tried to shock Lisa with the "he is hitting your tailbone when you do it" Lis simply replied oh you dont shock me anymore.

To when she tells Eileen your house is liek American psycho, and she loks at eileen with this look of haha what are you going to respond to that!! and Eileen nods and says yeah.  Take away her storyline ladies, this will hopefully get her off my screen.

I agree. Lisa said something about "having a lot of mosquito bites". Brandi then said "Or maybe it's herpes", Lisa then said "You should know". And just left it at that.

[BuddhaBelly]

This is from Kyle's blog

 

 

Her comments about me always being jealous of Kim's career couldn't be further from the truth. That is not how we were raised. My mom always taught us that any success the three of had ( Kathy, Kim, and Kyle) was a "feather in all our caps."

 

I can so see their mom saying this. One of you go forward and you drag you sisters behind you to set them up too. I still think Kyle in her youth may have been jealous of Kim but I think those feelings have long passed as they got older and Kim spiraled into whatever her life is now. I also don't blame Kyle for finally getting mad at Kim when Kim tried to shift blame and make is seem like Kyle outed her again. Kyle should be angry. I know addiction is a disease but I would be so hard pressed to not throttle my sister every time she destroyed her life with drugs and alcohol. Can you imagine how Kim's kids felt hearing about this and then seeing it play out on tv?

 

Brandi seems to enjoy playing to the narrative that she's the only one there for Kim. How long has she known Kim? 2-3 years? Is she nuts? Has she comforted Kim's children as she's gone of the rails? How often did she stay up at night worrying about what Kim is doing or where she is? Did she ever sit with crossed fingers hoping that this time the sobriety will stick? Kyle has lived with 20+ years of this shit. I have nothing but sympathy for her in this situation. I keep seeing her face. The panic and fear was palpable. She ran into the bathroom with her phone. I wonder who she went to call. I think that more than anything made Kim follow Kyle into the bathroom. She didn't want her telling anyone that she was fucked up.

 

On another note, Eileen has the best reactions to Brandi's antics. She lets them roll over her in such a glib way while her eyes say everything.

Edited January 21, 2015 by BuddhaBelly

[imjagain]

Brandi: "That's why all their husbands are cheating.....Just kidding!" Ok, coming from someone who was SO HURT when it happened to her, she thinks it's ok to make the insinuation (even jokingly) about everyone else's husband?

I must have missed this, what was that about?

I tend to ff sometimes.

[zoeysmom]

Andy Cohen already has a vacation home in Hell, right next door to Satan's place.  He spends a lot of time there, lording over his minions (and grinning).  I understand Brandi is a frequent houseguest.

 

So what are the odds that Kim landed in the hospital because of her addiction?   She probably either OD'd or managed to concoct some sort of ailment/accident in order to score more meds.

I think Kim checked herself into the hospital and will concoct some excuse that she had an allergic reaction to the pill she took and attempt to explain away her rude, boorish behavior.

 

It is a tried and true go to Hollywood trick.

[Avaleigh]

Kim Richards

 

She by her own admission has struggled with sustance abuse since her early 20's , she is about to be 50 so that is most of her adult life being an addict. She is a nasty one when she is using so I just can't imagine what a nightmare it has been for her family as in her kids and her sister Kyle and family to deal with her on a daily basis, having to pick up the pieces of the mess that Kim is. Kathy has lived the fabulous life jetsetting everywhere and most of this mess has fallen on Kyle's lap. What a nightmare, this is a life sentence that you just can't get away from.

 

For anybody who has lived with an addict, you know how manipulative they are, first of all they must find an excuse for their addiction , in this case for Kim she took Monty in and found the perfect excuse , the second thing an addict has to find is somebody to blame, in this case Kim seems to have her own personal punching bag in Kyle. it doesn't matter if she was acting like a lunatic in the limo with LisaR, it doesn't matter it she was acting like an asshole at the poker table with help of her bestie Brandi, it doesn't matter if it was obvious as the day is long that she was on "something" all that needed to happen was for Kyle to even dare to ask her if she was using, that forced her to fessed up to taking pain medication and BAM, must blame her for everything.

 

Kim was mad not at herself for relapsing, she was mad at Kyle for (in her hazed mind) even asking, Kim is so delusional that she probably believes that nobody noticed her strange behavior at all, she probably is crazy enough to believe that during season 1 nobody knew she was abusing sustances until Kyle mentioned it. Well, let me tell you Kim Richards, the day you take accountability for your own actions and stop trying to find an excuse and blame others that might be the day you have a chance at recovery, but as long as you keep surrounding yourself with the likes of Brandi, you have no hope.

 

What a slap in the face that despite of all this events you are still Brandi's BFF, you have shoved that POS in your sister's face and brought her with you to family events to further antagonize Kyle, I wish Kyle would say "F..it, I am done with you" and walk away, then you would have to find somebody else to blame. When that time comes maybe a mirror would come in handy.

 

If I could like this post a thousand times I would. Spot on. 

 

What was that weird shit about her fantasy basically being her SO cheating on her in front of her??? I don't get it. You're pissed that you were cheated on, so much so that you use it as an excuse for your every transgression....but you secretly get off on seeing the act in person?

Much has been made (rightly IMO) of Kim's state of fucked up crazy in the car ride over with LisaR but I thought the shit above was just as Looney Tunes and hard to follow that I wondered if Brandi had popped any pills herself prior to the ride up to the spa. She recently admitted that she does this on WWHL so I agree that she's the last person who needs to be around helping Kim with her addictions. 

 

I wondered if, despite what Kim said, Kyle thought she had been drinking and that eating some pizza would soak some of the alcohol up and help her sober up a bit.

 

 

I don't think alcohol was the issue that evening.

 

I'm just imagining Eileen and LisaR watching these episodes with friends and family and I wonder what the reactions are like. I have to imagine that as messed up as it is, Lisar's family in particular had to have gotten something of a kick out of that car ride because her facial expressions were hilariously awesome at different points. When Kim starts saying that Lisar's is "disgusting" Lisa actually looks as though she's fallen through the looking glass, she's entered the twilight zone--she's basically strapped in for a bumpy night with Baby Jane and she's not getting out of it because she technically signed up for this. I would love to hear Harry Hamlin's commentary while watching this show. 

[Rhetorica]

The show hit so close to home for me last night it actually infuriated me. Last week I finally had to cut my sister out of my life at least for now. After serving almost a year in jail (3 dui's) and me having to care for her kids (her husband divorced her while in jail) she's back using again and I called her out on it. She did the same thing as Kim tried to make herself the victim because of course I want her to be an addict (ridiculous). She made sure to make me aware of the great support system she has (other users/enablers) while always calling me to bring her from here,there, and everywhere. I just finally had enough. If the addict doesn't want to get help then there's nothing anyone can do. I love my sister more than anything but i can only love her to life I can't love her to death. I had to finally make a choice and choose myself. I truly hope Kyle does the same. Si sorry for the rant.

Hugs across the internets to you.

[Baltimore Betty]

Has Kim ever said anything about having a sponsor and going to meetings?

Remember that "life coach" that came to Kim's house last season, he seemed like nothing about him would really be a help to Kim in life or staying sober,,,I thought that going to meetings everyday would be part of your sobriety plan, so much for that life coach of hers.

 

I noticed that they did finally show Kyle's store again, the gladiator sandals are just not my thing, I am sure they were expensive.

Eileen's house is nice and cozy, (maybe has a bit too much stuff in it for me) why does Brandi need to even comment, if I were Eileen I would have said, "at least I own it!"

Lisa Rinna and Kim's limo ride was perfection, I hope that is the wake up call for Kim when she see's that episode.

[CaughtOnTape]

Bravo should be held accountable for the enabling of Kim and the continued co-dependency of her sister on camera.  If Kim overdoses, they will have to address the issue.  Don't see them doing so otherwise. Kim doesn't really want to quit -- and that's her choice.  If she were to just say so, Bravo might have to cut her off.  As long as she professes to want to stop, they can pretend they are helping her and offering a platform for the general issue. 

 

How is this Bravo's fault?  Kim is the addict and she was one before she went on the show.  She's also an adult and capable of making her own decisions.  To me, making Bravo accountable for ANYTHING concerning Kim is just taking the accountability away from the one person who is responsible for her life.....Kim.  

 

Kim knows she's an addict and knows she's filming.  SHE chose to put Monty in the house knowing she's still in a fragile state.  SHE chose to take whatever Monty had in the house. SHE chose to continue to tape the show.  Kim is responsible for anything that gets shown on this show, not Bravo.