S05.E10: House Of Cards

[zoeysmom]

What's the point of having Kim sit and eat pizza after she has behaved horribly, especially since someone made her food to go?  Kyle is fucked up about Kim.  The best think she could have done was said, "Let's go, I'll take you home."  Not, "Come in here and sit with these women, and we'll film you acting bizarre."  That's not good.  

 

The whole thing about her being afraid of Kim leaving with Brandi is bullshit.  She didn't care about Kim leaving w or w/o Brandi.  She wanted to find out what Kim had just accused her of. Kim had said something along the line of, "Thanks!"  She was MAD at Kim for accusing her of something and wanted to get to the bottom of it.  It had NOTHING to do with her being with Brandi.  That's just an after the fact excuse by Kyle for why she was following Kim.

I am only speculating but sending Kim home to an empty house with drugs in it might not be such a great idea.  Sending drunk Brandi home with Kim to a house with narcotics worse idea. Kim did not want to be around Kyle so why should Kyle be stuck with a nasty whackadoodle bitch for an hour in a car?

 

Kim has to be willing to pick up the phone when someone calls.  It is a two way street.

[BluishGreen]

What's the point of having Kim sit and eat pizza after she has behaved horribly, especially since someone made her food to go?  Kyle is fucked up about Kim.  The best think she could have done was said, "Let's go, I'll take you home."  Not, "Come in here and sit with these women, and we'll film you acting bizarre."  That's not good.  

 

The whole thing about her being afraid of Kim leaving with Brandi is bullshit.  She didn't care about Kim leaving w or w/o Brandi.  She wanted to find out what Kim had just accused her of. Kim had said something along the line of, "Thanks!"  She was MAD at Kim for accusing her of something and wanted to get to the bottom of it.  It had NOTHING to do with her being with Brandi.  That's just an after the fact excuse by Kyle for why she was following Kim.

Respectfully, I think referring to what several of us said about the obvious problem of intoxicated Kim leaving with another intoxicated person is not "bullshit."  It is my opinion. Thanks.

[WireWrap]

People react to narcotics differently if they aren't used to taking them.  Even though Kim is an alcoholic and has a tolerance for it, she doesn't for narcotics so it wouldn't have needed to be that big of a dose.  I am an RN who gives a lot of pain meds on my post-op unit.  It is illegal to take other people's prescription meds also!!! 

As much as Kim says that she was addicted to alcohol only I very much doubt that. She claimed wine was her drink of choice but wine smells and gives you bad breath, something everyone would have picked up on much earlier than after her last stint in rehab. I think Kim and family think being an alcoholic is less stigmatizing/shameful than a drug/pill addict.  JMO

 

If you watch again (I seeee you) take notice of when Kyle goes into the bathroom and Kim starts to follow.  Brandi asks Kim if she's okay, if she's got it.  Tries to restrain her from getting up.  Kim leaves the table and Brandi looks off camera, makes a slashing motion across her throat, 3 times, indicating to the producer or camera guy, "cut, cut, cut".  Very, very interesting.

 

I am not defending Brandi.  Nor does Kim deserve protection because her behavior is beyond the pale.  But I  believe Brandi was trying to protect Kim from being exposed again by Kyle and Bravo.  She was trying to get them to stop filming Kim. She wouldn't let Kim out of her sight when she came out of the loo, insisted on escorting her to the car, told her it was a bad idea to go back in, kept telling Kyle to 'stop it, stop it, stop it' while Kyle was trying to further stir things up.  Yes sir, in my opinion, Kyle WAS trying to open up that big can of mess (again).  Not that Kim doesn't deserve to be exposed but Kyle has an agenda and she wanted to go there. (again)

 

Paying attention to Brandi's actions from the minute Kim left to go to the bathroom up until the scuffle on the steps was interesting.

 

And imo, Kyle grabbed Brandi first.  God.  I swear I'm not defending Brandi.  Just calling it like I saw it.  THIRD TIME rewatching that segment.  Really?

Yes, Kyle did grab Brandi's arm first because Brandi was physically blocking her every step of the way when she was trying to talk to Kim. Kim made a nasty comment to Kyle, thanking for embarrassing her again, and Kyle was asking what did she do, I don't think Kyle was thinking she embarrassed Kim this time at all. And I don't think she wanted a drunk Brandi taking charge of her high as a kite sister, I know, I would not have either.

 

I wonder how long Kim had been using Monty's pills.  I wonder if/how long Brandi knew.  

 

I don't think Brandi realized how fucked up Kim was until Kim insulted Kyle because Brandi was drunk and being obnoxious herself.  

Brandi says that she talked to Kim everyday and that no one knew how much "pain" Kim was in other than her. IMO, just mine, Brandi knew that Kim was using again  and thought it was ok for her to do, because as she said in her TH, if you are an alcoholic and you are predisposed to it, so be it! That is Brandi's mindset, it is ok if that is the way you are wired.

[ryebread]

Feeding into an addict's fall from grace on camera is something else entirely. 

 

But isn't trying to expose an addict's relapse, on national TV again,  just as heinous?  Especially her sister's?  Because if Kyle really didn't want to go there, she didn't have to.

 

Upon rewatch, I'm firmly on Brandi's side (except for shoving Kyle).  I'll admit, though, that I have zero experience with addiction, so I'm very interested to hear opinions on this episode of people who do.

Edited January 21, 2015 by ryebread

[motorcitymom65]

Brandi has been doing this since almost the beginning - even before she was really close to Kim. At the S3 reunion she uttered possibly the most hateful and hurtful words I have ever heard one HW say to another. She said that she believed Kyle wanted Kim to fail in her sobriety. I remember Kyle's anger, but what I really remember was how hurt and stunned Kim was. Even Lisa, who was not getting along with Kim at that reunion, put her arms around Kim to console her because she looked so devastated by Brandi's words. I don't ever remember a more passionate debate that raged on TWoP and Vulture after that. Brandi was beloved and the thoughts were that she was simply a "truth cannon" speaking her truth. To me it looked like she was trying to put a wedge between Kyle and Kim, as Brandi and Kim had just started to bond at the end of that season in Paris. Brandi has always liked to remind folks that Kim was the bigger star and therefore Kyle must be jealous.

In her heart of hearts I think that Brandi despises Kyle. Kyle has everything and Brandi has nothing. Brandi was happy to have Lisa to herself and became enraged when it looked like Kyle and Lisa might patch things up. She has lost Lisa so now she can come between the sisters. Yo will be next, as she is getting closer to Kyle.

[Morbs]

This is pure anonymous internet commentator speculation, but I suspected Monty of having his own history with addiction himself so he wouldn't mind sharing pills or anything with Kim, like using together again reminded them of the old days. I picture Kim not just as an alcoholic, but also a druggie, who would take anything that came along, so who knows what she was actually on.

I think it's one thing to have someone in recovery attend a party with alcohol, but a wine tasting? I immediately suspected producer interference setting Kim up, and then when the woman serving the wine cluelessy/maliciously asked Kim if she wanted to smell it, I felt vindicated in my suspicions.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Morbs

[BogoGog24]

I can't understand why Kim is still on this show. I remember her saying last season that it helped her to stay sober but looks like that went out the window. I think at this point it is only making things worse for her, especially being around Brandi. Kim needs to exit the show and enter rehab stat. There is watching the normal petty nonsense from these women and then there is watching an addict fall off the wagon on national TV.

The one bright moment of this episode was seeing Jiggy. I don't care what anyone else says, I love that little dog and think he's adorable. I'd rather watch Jiggy with no clothes on than watch Kim fall apart and embarrass herself.

BRAVO is really getting out of hand with physical limits on cast members. First Porscha from ATL shoves Kenya and is invited back the next season, now Brandi throws wine on Eileen and shoves Kyle. You know what? Get rid of Kim AND Brandi and send them both to rehab. This show could be maybe be fun again.

[njbchlover]

Oh, I have a feeling Kim has a tolerance for a lot of substances that haven't been made known to the audience.

 

That was some wicked shit she was all fucked up on during the Hawaii trip as well.

 

And as frequently as she injures herself or has elective surgery, she's definitely not opiate-naive.  

 

I wonder why Kim winds up in the hospital next week....according to the previews for next week, Kyle tells Mauricio that.

I hope she admits herself for help for her relapse.

I agree - addiction to anything is horrible for everyone in the immediate family.  I have dealt with it with two family members, and the effects are everlasting and neverending.

Edited January 21, 2015 by njbchlover

[LotusFlower]

Kyle needs to go to Al-Anon.

Kim and Brandi need to get the boot from this show and go to rehab.

[Rina99]

Respectfully, I think referring to what several of us said about the obvious problem of intoxicated Kim leaving with another intoxicated person is not "bullshit."  It is my opinion. Thanks.

 

Mine, too.  Respectfully, this is more than enough reason IMO.  

 

But isn't trying to expose an addict's relapse, on national TV again,  just as heinous?  Especially her sister's?  Because if Kyle really didn't want to go there, she didn't have to.

 

 

Kim exposed herself when she showed up to filming under the influence.  That's why I have zero issues with Lisa R. calling her out, or Kyle trying to confirm if she was just paranoid or if Kim was actually under the influence.

[BuddhaBelly]

Kim has to go. She just had to. I watched the latter half of the show slack jawed. Kyle has her fault but Kim and Brandi were gunning for her the entire night with their nasty digs. Kim tried to pin her messy antics on Kyle but seemed to forget that she followed Kyle into the bathroom and spilled the beans.

Also when Kyle goes to Kim to ask about her little dig, you can see her pulling Kim toward the bathroom. She was trying to shield her drugged out sister even then. Kim is a nasty drunk and having Brandi in her corner is going to make her spiral hard.

[Granimal]

But isn't trying to expose an addict's relapse, on national TV again,  just as heinous?  Especially her sister's?  Because if Kyle really didn't want to go there, she didn't have to.

 

Upon rewatch, I'm firmly on Brandi's side.  I'll admit, though, that I have zero experience with addiction, so I'm very interested to hear opinions on this episode of people who do.

 

To be honest, I don't know how I felt about this. I know  Brandi doesn't have Kim's best interests in mind. Kyle? I don't know. I don't think that Kyle did anything wrong in this episode... yet my first reaction when watching the episode was  to wonder why Kyle was tying to get Kim to stay in front of the women and on camera? There is not a situation imaginable that I personally would've kept my relapsed sister at the party and on camera, but who knows? There seem to be many factors that we're unaware of and many things going on behind the scenes. The whole night was confusing and edited strangely.

 

Brandi repeating that everyone was an actress except for herself seemed to be referencing something in her mind. It sealed the deal for me when Kyle said, "Brandi what does that have to do with anything?" And I don't think that Brandi was talking about poker. I think a lot has happened off camera between Kyle, Brandi, and Kim.

 

ETA: Further reflection: I think that Kyle did what she thought best. Whether that was right or wrong is insignificant to me.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Granimal

[breezy424]

Also, as someone who has dealt with alcoholism in a family,  I totally understand where Kyle was coming from and what she was going through.  Kyle wasn't 'exposing' anything.  Kim did that to herself for showing up that way for filming.  Was she just supposed to sit there and pretend that something wasn't totally wrong with Kim?  Obviously there was.  And Brandi, not her place to get in between two family members.  She was aggressively blocking Kyle from Kim.  And Kyle was absolutely right to not let Kim leave by herself.  God only where she could have went.  Better to have her in her sight than to leave her on her own.

[heebiejeebie]

I think feelings hurt because cameras are there are just not important.  I think any feelings being butt hurt because Kim was embarrassed are marginal to meaningless compared to the addict acting addicted, getting angry and either storming off by herself or going for a ride with Sippy Travel Wine Glass Brandi.

 

I don't mean to sound mean but what does it matter if a reality show cast member is caught on tv doing something bad compared to the effects of that bad thing?  Is being "shamed" on camera so bad?  I don't think it even should be allowed in the same sentence as heinous unless a negative is included.  What is so bad about Kimbeing exposed on camera? She has no problem getting drugged up to be ON camera.  That is on her.  Kyle refusing to not address it in fear itty bitty fragile Kim will be sad and ashamed?  I think if Kyle truly cares about Kim it should be the other way.  Kyle should have tackled Kim taken her to the ground and Shamed her ass while the cameras rolled until Kim was weeping. Kim herself said that the show was what forced her to admit to the wine drinking (yeah that is all she abuses).  For someone like Kim.  And Kyle.  I think the presence of cameras would be more of a palliative than a detriment.

 

But even if it was not.  Kim gets embarrassed by what she brought on herself.  Not something that Kyle basically refused to do.  Ignore it.  I'm sure plenty of unrepentent addicts would love it if family and friends would simply turn the eyes away and let the drugs continue to be abused and abused.

[BluishGreen]

But isn't trying to expose an addict's relapse, on national TV again,  just as heinous?  Especially her sister's?  Because if Kyle really didn't want to go there, she didn't have to.

 

Upon rewatch, I'm firmly on Brandi's side (except for shoving Kyle).  I'll admit, though, that I have zero experience with addiction, so I'm very interested to hear opinions on this episode of people who do.

But how did Kyle expose it?  She didn't say anything during the game, even after several insults and incidents of stupid behavior by Kim and Brandi.   Kyle kept her mouth shut, got up from the table without a big fuss,  went into the bathroom and closed the door. KIM insisted on following her and coming in.  Kyle said something "it seems like you've been drinking." Kim admitted taking drugs.  They walked out. Kyle said nothing about it.   Kim started going off, accusing KYLE of embarrassing KIM (excuse me?  who was cursing and calling various people at the table stupid?  threatening LisaR?  No, Kim did that all by herself.)  Then,  Brandi decided to be Kim's human shield to prevent Kyle from speaking to her.  Not once in any of these interactions did Kyle "out" Kim for being intoxicated.

[sistermagpie]

The whole thing about her being afraid of Kim leaving with Brandi is bullshit.  She didn't care about Kim leaving w or w/o Brandi.  She wanted to find out what Kim had just accused her of. Kim had said something along the line of, "Thanks!"  She was MAD at Kim for accusing her of something and wanted to get to the bottom of it.  It had NOTHING to do with her being with Brandi.  That's just an after the fact excuse by Kyle for why she was following Kim.

 

 

I agree it wasn't about Brandi, specifically, but only because Kyle really does, imo, actually care about her sister (unlike Brandi). Kim was in a weird place all night, in large part because of whatever she was on. Kyle confronted her quietly about her drinking and then two seconds later Kim's acting like Kyle's done something terrible to her--didn't surprise me at all that Kyle wanted to pin her down on exactly what fantasy attack she was coming up with. Or that she thought it was better to get some food in her and stay with people in a house, even if there were cameras there. Brandi was, I think, secondary to Kyle there. But obviously she was a terrible person for Kim to be with, encouraging all of Kim's justifications for herself--her speech about how "nobody knew what Kim was going through" was ridiculous, especially in the nasty mood Kim was in. And apparently she's also encouraging Kim to indulge in all those Baby Jane fantasies about how Kyle's still jealous over her childhood stardom as well.

 

It also seems ironic to worry about Kyle allegedly exposing Kim in some way on TV when not only had she already exposed herself (both by being obviously high and by announcing she'd been taking somebody else's meds) but because Kyle had just said how well covering up Kim's behavior had worked in the past. Wanting Kyle to let Brandi spirit Kim away under the cover of her just being upset about her ex husband doesn't do anything good for Kim, it just gives her a cover story she'll continue to stick to. One Brandi's happy to use for herself as well. There's really nothing we learned about Kim here, imo, and getting her out of Eileen's house (and so off TV) would probably be better for me than for her, since it's embarrassing for me to watch her.

 

Kyle's going to be there for Kim when she gets out of her next stint in the hospital and until the day she dies, probably. Brandi obviously won't.

 

But even if it was not.  Kim gets embarrassed by what she brought on herself.  Not something that Kyle basically refused to do.  Ignore it.  I'm sure plenty of unrepentent addicts would love it if family and friends would simply turn the eyes away and let the drugs continue to be abused and abused.

 

 

Yes, Kim intentionally turned the whole thing into a drama for her and Brandi. I'm not so sure she was bothered much at all by Kyle's asking her about drinking in the bathroom, since she was already gunning for Kyle all night. At most she was angry to realize how little she'd gotten away with her drugs. No wonder she wanted to stick with the person who'd pretend it was all about worrying about her ex.

Edited January 21, 2015 by sistermagpie

[meeeeech]

I think if Kyle truly did want to expose Kim's relapse on camera for her storyline she wouldn't have been able to hide her satisfaction/delight when Kim began acting up at the poker table. Kyle looked like a deer in the headlights with Kim mouthing off, clearly not herself, then just sick to her stomach. If I was Kyle I would want to keep Kim under my watchful eye even if that meant she might out/embarass herself in front of the other women or the cameras. I would not trust Brandi's judgement on anything but especially the safety or sobriety of my family member.

[charming]

So after throwing wine in Eileen's face she's still invited into her home. Brandi insults her Malibu mansion by saying it looked like Norman Bates decorated it? At least she's not renting and moving every five years, bitch.

 

Brandi also said she wanted to have sex with Vince, called everyone stupid and insulted the trophy. The fuck is her problem? She's a dark and ugly soul.

 

I don't understand how Brandi can state that Kyle wants Kim to fail and is jealous. If anyone is relishing someone being in pain, it's Brandi. If she were a true friend, she would be concerned and stop enabling Kim's destructive behavior.  

[ryebread]

 Not once in any of these interactions did Kyle "out" Kim for being intoxicated.

 

She didn't get a chance because Brandi shut that down.  Do I think Kyle would have pursued the questioning if Brandi hadn't totally maneuvered Kim out?  Yes.  The camera was right there in her face by the front door when she demanded an explanation. 

 

Imo, Kim wanted a big scene on camera and so did Kyle. I said this in Kyle's thread earlier but I'll copy it here:  Kim could have not gone back into the house to say goodnight, and Kyle could have done any number of things to prevent what happened from happening.  I think they both knew what they were doing. 

 

Seems to me like Brandi was the only one trying to get the pill popping idjit out of camera range.  Maybe because Brandi was the only non-actress there. LOL

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Edited January 21, 2015 by ryebread

[breezy424]

Wasn't it 'amazing' that Yolanda (who only had one good day in 2014) went to get her hair done and the magazine with Gigi's pictures happened to be there?  And of course the girls should give up college if they start making six figures.  She probably also assumes that by the time the modeling career is over they'll have a rich man to support them.  They are her, just better.

[swankie]

And what a fabulous woman Brandi is - let's insult your hosts' home.

 

 

Not only that, she said she wanted to fuck the host's husband.  Even as a joke that was just the most obnoxious and insulting thing to say, and right in front of Eileen.  If I was Eileen, I wouldn't have saved my reaction for a talking head, I would have told that drunk bitch to watch her filthy mouth in my home and thrown her out on her drunken ear.

[ryebread]

 And of course the girls should give up college if they start making six figures.  She probably also assumes that by the time the modeling career is over they'll have a rich man to support them.  They are her, just better.

 

LOL when she said that.  Like, would that be the high six figures or would a lower six figure number work? 

[crgirl412]

 

I'd like to ask the posters who are going through a similar thing with their siblings, if in Kyle's shoes would you have handled this in the same way as she did in this episode.  I guess this is my big problem.  It seemed to me that once Kim admitted to taking the pill(s), that Kyle was like a dog with a bone in front of the camera.  Even walking directly toward a camera as she pulls Kim along, to 'talk'.  That's where I see Brandi really step in - in which appears to me, an attempt to stop another filmed shit fest like we got last time.  I guess I really didn't want to see that again.  And if it took the likes of Brandi to prevent that, I'm onboard.

 

Maybe not Brandi's place but I didn't see Kyle trying to protect Kim from over exposing.  As a sibling of an addict, did you think Kyle was being protective?

My sister is 2.5 years sober so it hasn't been very long and she had been drinking heavily with it causing major issues for 5 years prior to that.  It seems as though Kim has been struggling since her early 20's and being on and off the wagon for years so Kyle has dealt with it much longer than me.  I think that Kyle was being protective and trying to help Kim.  Brandi has no clue how hard it is to deal with a sibling with children who is in addiction and you are the main person to help since your mom is dead.  Our mom is dead too.  Kyle feels the weight of responsibility like I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.  

Edited January 21, 2015 by crgirl412

[Granimal]

I do believe that Kyle cares about Kim and tried to help. If I were in Kyle's position, I would've said screw this party, I'm not filming anymore, and left with Kim. However, I am not Kyle and I don't have the history with Kim that Kyle does. I'm not going to argue about whether Kyle did the right or wrong thing. To me that just doesn't matter and can't be proven. All we can do in any situation is to do the best that we know how to do. The only person at that party who cared about Kim's well being was Kyle. Brandi doesn't care. Lisa R. doesn't care. Kim doesn't even care. Kyle was the only person there that cared bout Kim and that says a lot of good things about Kyle.

[MrsRafaelBarba]

Watching now, Kim needs more 'rehab and this should be Brandi's final season.

Still SMDH at how she threw shade at Babyface and his wife at Yolanda's dinner party.

Edited January 21, 2015 by MrsRafaelBarba

[Umbelina]

Kyle was physically blocking Kim, and Kim was pissed at Kyle.  Then she grabbed Brandi a few times as well.  It sounded like Brandi was just putting her in the car and sending her home, not accompanying her.

 

Kyle wanted her camera time so she could be the long suffering martyr for Kim.  It was sickening.

 

I'm not that fond of Brandi or Kim either, but I blame the whole "scene made" part of it on Kyle.  Kim knew enough to get out of there, and Kyle wasn't letting her leave.  Again.  Shades of the limo debacle.

 

Caring for someone dying of cancer IS hell.  I'm not exusing Kim, but it is.  Also, I am not about to blame her ex here, he's in pain, dying, and probably on a ton of meds himself, not exactly the place to make great decisions.  I really do (did?) admire Kim for taking that on, and no, I don't think she did it just for the free drugs.  There are much easier ways to get drugs than to put you through the hell of watching a loved one suffer and die of cancer.

[ryebread]

This why IMO for anyone to find fault with Kyle's behavior regarding her sister's addiction, a sister she clearly loves, is complete bullshit. I think she, and Mauricio, have put up with far more than what we've even seen.

 

Thanks for your reply.  I think I understand but I'm happy I don't fully get it because I don't think anyone really can unless they've been there or loved someone who has.  And for that I'm grateful.

 

I don't pretend to understand how I would feel although I really want to believe if I were in a shadowy home where the camera man had to have the light on to film me and the camera was in my face, I wouldn't gravitate toward the light in order to confront the addict.  But like I said, who knows what I might do because I've never had to and hopefully will never have to.  Kyle and Kim both know the absolute shit storm that happened last time in the limo.  Could they have wanted this to happen? 

[charming]

Yeah some random hairdresser has the magazine with Gigi on the cover. That scene was so forced. Gigi is not the fashion icon of her generation either. What in God's name is going on in this house of delusion? I'm embarrassed that she repeated that. Lol.

 

Gigi and Bella are stunning white/black swans. They could be Lisa's swans! 

 

I can understand the desire to be a model when you're that young. You get dressed up, get your picture taken, feel like a star, travel, have people fuss over you and have you Mother beam with pride. I just don't understand why a parent would want their teen daughter in that industry. It's filled with lecherous people, drug abuse, eating disorders, etc.

 

If Yolanda was concerned with them earning money, why not encourage them to finish school? There are other ways to make money. Ain't Mohammad rich? He's likely footing the bill for their expenses so its not like they've been cut off. I don't know what the urgency is.

 

I wonder what Yolanda encourages Anwar to do. Does he have to be a male model? Or will he have other career options?

[ryebread]

My sister is 2.5 years sober so it hasn't been very long and she had been drinking heavily with it causing major issues for 5 years prior to that. 

 

Brandi has no clue how hard it is to deal with a sibling with children in addiction and you are the main person to help since your mom is dead,  Our mom is dead too.  Kyle feels the weight of responsibility like I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

 

I agree about Brandi not having a clue about dealing with a sibling's addiction.  Especially when there are kids involved. :-(

 

But I DO think Brandi was trying to prevent Kim from having a "tampon string moment", which Brandi knows A LOT about. 

 

Thanks for responding crgirl.  I'm sorry about your sis.

[Umbelina]

I've dealt with addicts in my family as well.  My FIRST instict would have been to get them away from any cameras.  Hell, I would have been helping Brandi put them in the limo, not dragging them toward the cameras to ensure their shame was caught on tape for all time, or to put the final nails in their hoped-for return as an actress hopes.  Kims a pain in the ass, and I'm sure Kyle has been through hell with her over the years.  That doesn't excuse using your sick sibling to get sympathy and play the "poor, long suffering me" card to get points from the fans of RHBH.

 

(By the way, Kim has a small gig on Revenge soon.)

Edited January 21, 2015 by Umbelina

[LotusFlower]

Imo, Kim wanted a big scene on camera and so did Kyle. I said this in Kyle's thread earlier but I'll copy it here:  Kim could have not gone back into the house to say goodnight, and Kyle could have done any number of things to prevent what happened from happening.  I think they both knew what they were doing. 

Kim decided to keave, so I see that as the opposite of wanting a big scene. She knew she was exposed, and she didn't want any more attention brought to her state, not to mention the cameras capturing it, so she made up some vague excuse to leave early (something like Monty has reappeared), and booked it. Typical addict behavior.

[WireWrap]

Kyle was physically blocking Kim, and Kim was pissed at Kyle.  Then she grabbed Brandi a few times as well.  It sounded like Brandi was just putting her in the car and sending her home, not accompanying her.

 

Kyle wanted her camera time so she could be the long suffering martyr for Kim.  It was sickening.

 

I'm not that fond of Brandi or Kim either, but I blame the whole "scene made" part of it on Kyle.  Kim knew enough to get out of there, and Kyle wasn't letting her leave.  Again.  Shades of the limo debacle.

 

Caring for someone dying of cancer IS hell.  I'm not exusing Kim, but it is.  Also, I am not about to blame her ex here, he's in pain, dying, and probably on a ton of meds himself, not exactly the place to make great decisions.  I really do (did?) admire Kim for taking that on, and no, I don't think she did it just for the free drugs.  There are much easier ways to get drugs than to put you through the hell of watching a loved one suffer and die of cancer.

In the car ride over, Kim told Lisa R that Monty "disappeared days ago", so he did not give her his pain meds to take, she took/stole them on her own. She also got upset at Lisa when Lisa said something kind about Monty being in a great deal of pain, to which Kim replied "what about my pain", "what about my nights". Monty's cancer is just another excuse for Kim to get high/self medicate once again, typical addict behavior.

[breezy424]

She didn't get a chance because Brandi shut that down.  Do I think Kyle would have pursued the questioning if Brandi hadn't totally maneuvered Kim out?  Yes.  The camera was right there in her face by the front door when she demanded an explanation. 

 

Imo, Kim wanted a big scene on camera and so did Kyle. I said this in Kyle's thread earlier but I'll copy it here:  Kim could have not gone back into the house to say goodnight, and Kyle could have done any number of things to prevent what happened from happening.  I think they both knew what they were doing. 

 

Seems to me like Brandi was the only one trying to get the pill popping idjit out of camera range.  Maybe because Brandi was the only non-actress there. LOL

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Two things were going on in Kyle's head.  The first was her concern about leaving.  The second was that Kim was mad at Kyle for doing something to her.  The only questioning that Kyle had, IMO, was why was Kim so mad.  I don't think it had anything to do about having a scene for the cameras.  Kyle was in a panic mode of concern.  I totally get that.  Been down that road. 

 

Sure, Kim could not have gone back in to say goodnight.  But isn't that what people do?  I would 'expect' that to happen rather than for her just to leave.  As bizarre as the whole night was, under the circumstances, Kim (as a person under the influence) and Kyle's reactions were human, if you know what I mean.  Kim is responsible for her own actions.  She made the remarks to Kyle at the end because that's what a lot of addicts do.  They try to shift blame.  Why should Kyle put up with that?

 

Kim is not Kyle's responsibility.  Kim is responsible for herself.

[ryebread]

Kim decided to keave, so I see that as the opposite of wanting a big scene. She knew she was exposed, and she didn't want any more attention brought to her state, not to mention the cameras capturing it, so she made up some vague excuse to leave early (something like Monty has reappeared), and booked it. Typical addict behavior.

Brandi walked her out the first time.  They got to the porch, Brandi said, "I'll put you in the car" and Kim said she had to go back in to say good night.  "No you're not" says Brandi.  And Kim practically steam rolled her way back into the house. LOL.  Oh, yeah, she was looking for more camera time.  Brandi tells her it's not a good idea.  And as they're walking back into the house subtitled Brandi says:  "Just be nice" and you can see them walking down the hallway, Brandi leaning over and whispering to Kim, probably telling her not to show her tampon string. (I'm just using that as a figure of speech)

 

Kim wasn't ready to go just yet.  Not yet.  She'd clearly been trying to antagonize Kyle and Lisa and even Vinny all night.  Brandi escorted her out before she had the chance and she decided to go back in and have another go.

[heebiejeebie]

i could believe Kyle seizing on the moment as it were to use as some kind of lever against Kim.  Fair or unfair, addicts wage war against their loves ones and their loved one often wage in return whether they realize it or not.  And many times that war can even be effective.

 

But I can't see Kyle even being smart enough let alone evil enough to take the moment we saw on tv and decide how she can use it and the presence of cameras to somehow elevate her media persona.  That what we saw Kyle do was completely calculated as to the cameras and how it would not only be filmed but edited and aired.  Because for all Kyle or anyone else should have known at most was Kim was under the influence.  Kim could have been dead the next day.  Long long before BRAVO put it on the air.

 

For me Kim has a history on the show and I suspect her life of appearing under the influence or not appearing because she is under the influence and not wanting to deal with the slightest bit of responsibility or culpability.  This was nothing more but getting herself in front of the cameras, being a "star" and then realizing she might be called on her shit.  So she throws blame and then tries to skeddle instead of facing the blame that might be thrown back her way. 

Very much the addict.

[Umbelina]

That could be true, or Kim might have realized how bad it would look if she left without saying goodbye to her hosts and thanking them for the evening. 

 

It looks like next week Kyle succeeds in getting Kim back on camera anyway. 

 

It's weird, I do think there is a tiny part of Kyle that really does want Kim to do well, but it's at war with the childhood jealousy and issues and wanting to make herself the "best" daughter of their distructive, weirdo stage mother. 

 

Kyle should have let Kim say goodbye and leave, for the good of her sister.  Instead, it looks like "for the good of the show and Kyle's image" we will get a bunch more dirt next week. 

[Teddybear]

I'm concerned about that piece of pizza that fell on the floor.  Will someone trip on it?  Will the dog eat it?  Will it sit in the corner for days before someone realizes it is there?  Just trying to bring some brevity to this show!  Carry on….

[ryebread]

I'm bowing out of conversation about what Kyle should have done or shouldn't have done. 

 

My intention of my original post was just to point out those cut, cut, cut motions Brandi was making that hadn't been mentioned.  And how on further investigation, heh, it really seems to me like she was just trying to get Kim out of there. Whereas Kim and Kyle seemed hell bent on keeping her in.

 

I'm always willing to learn something new so I'll let the people who have dealt with addictions voice their opinions.

I'm concerned about that piece of pizza that fell on the floor.  Will someone trip on it?  Will the dog eat it?  Will it sit in the corner for days before someone realizes it is there?  Just trying to bring some brevity to this show!  Carry on….

 

:-) And I'd like to go back to the post where someone mentioned that Brandi said she wanted to have sex with Vinnie?  I missed that part.

 

Although, watch Vinnie watch Brandi throughout the poker game.  I think he has a little crush on her, myself.

[zulualpha]

But isn't trying to expose an addict's relapse, on national TV again,  just as heinous?  Especially her sister's?  Because if Kyle really didn't want to go there, she didn't have to.

 

Upon rewatch, I'm firmly on Brandi's side (except for shoving Kyle).  I'll admit, though, that I have zero experience with addiction, so I'm very interested to hear opinions on this episode of people who do.

ryebread, I love your name and I am also firmly on Brandi's side on this one even though last season she made Lisa cry and smoke cigarettes and I thought I would never like her again!  First of all, Kyle should NEVER have had a spa day that she organized with Kim as a guest where alcohol was included.  And a wine tasting even one Kyle said she wasn't aware of was way out of line.  If Kyle wants to help protect Kim's sobriety she needs to walk the walk not just talk the talk.  At the poker party where everyone knew Kim was fucked up, Brandi clearly gave the finger across the neck, stop filming sign and she was the only one that made any attempt to help Kim by stopping the filming.  Kyle OTOH tried to keep the filming going!  She tried to keep Kim at the party while Brandi was trying to get Kim into the limo and out of the potentially embarrassing situation.  I don't think Brandi was going home with Kim, she said she was walking Kim out to her car, trying to escort her out of the filming.  Kyle should have backed off and let Kim go instead of having the situation escalate as according to the previews it did.  

[swankie]

I can understand the desire to be a model when you're that young. You get dressed up, get your picture taken, feel like a star, travel, have people fuss over you and have you Mother beam with pride. I just don't understand why a parent would want their teen daughter in that industry. It's filled with lecherous people, drug abuse, eating disorders, etc.

 

 

After watching the movie Gia about model Gia Carangi there is no way in hell I would want any child of mine to be in that business.

 

My FIRST instict would have been to get them away from any cameras.  Hell, I would have been helping Brandi put them in the limo, not dragging them toward the cameras to ensure their shame was caught on tape for all time

 

 

I lived with an alcoholic for years and I would have given anything to have had photographic proof to show to him later when he was sober so he could see just how frightening he acted while under the influence.  Sometimes they have to be shocked into sobriety.  Let them see just how low they sink.  Kim herself told Andy that seeing herself on this show woke her up and convinced her that she needed help to get sober.  I think she needs to see it for herself. 

[atir]

Has Kim ever said anything about having a sponsor and going to meetings?

[heebiejeebie]

I'm concerned about that piece of pizza that fell on the floor.  Will someone trip on it?  Will the dog eat it?  Will it sit in the corner for days before someone realizes it is there?  Just trying to bring some brevity to this show!  Carry on….

 

Considering the milieu Eileen can invite David Hasselhoff over, give him a drink and let him do the rest.

 

ryebread I think the majority of conflict I have is that I don't think the subsequent actions by Brandi were in Kim's interests and were not something that she should have just taken upon herself to decide how and when Kyle gets to act in the situation when Kim was going after Kyle initially. 

 

I do think that questioning whether what Kyle did was best is not only your right in terms of opinion airing but also smack on.  I have no idea if Kyle did the right thing ultimately.  Nor do I think I know what Kyle was truly thinking.  I think Kyle has her own issues in the whole mess that are dysfunctional.  Not just as the family member of an addict and from Kim's own comments a third parent for her children in times of duress.  But also as a victim of some of the same demons that helped Kim turn to the path of addiction.  I cannot say I would have done the same thing as Kyle simpy because I would never ever go on tv like the sisters and others have unless maybe I was guaranteed the entire medical and financial world would promise to devote complete ultruistic efforts to eradicating hunger, cancer and AIDS.  Maybe a few other things as well. 

 

Thing is though I can see why Kyle acted as she did that is not evil or completely self serving or calculated.  I cannot say the same watching Brandi try to determine what Kyle is allowed to do in regards to her openly known addict of a sister under the influence trying to simply "get away".

Edited January 21, 2015 by heebiejeebie

[ryebread]

ryebread, I love your name

 

I'd love yours, too, if I could pronounce it. LOL  Actually, I DID google it to make sure I wasn't missing something, and sure enough...See?  I DO learn something new here everyday.  Problem is, I was reading it phonetically and kept coming up with:  "zoo lewahl fa"  Until I looked it up and it's Zulu Alpha.  LOL.  Duh. I'm tired.

 

Brandi wasn't going home with Kim.  She said as much and didn't have her purse.  She did need an escort, though. But I'm glad it wasn't going to be Brandi.  And you KNOW Lisa Rinna wasn't getting back in the car with her.

[Vanderfabulous]

 

I'm not that fond of Brandi or Kim either, but I blame the whole "scene made" part of it on Kyle.  Kim knew enough to get out of there, and Kyle wasn't letting her leave.  Again.  Shades of the limo debacle.

Thank you, Umbelina.  THIS, exactly.

[phoenix780]

This is one of those rare occasions where I can't fault anyone- except Kim for taking the pills (side note: I'm really glad Bravo left the Kim/Kyle conversation in so we aren't speculating about whether she even took something).  And even her I can sort of understand, because she's an addict.  I think the last scenes were pretty real, with people just reacting without thinking.  Brandi wanted to get Kim off camera.  Kyle seemed to me to physically shift realizing something was off with Kim, and she was worried about her sister.  They weren't perfect, but they were human, imho.  It's hard to criticize their actions, from my perspective.

 

It was fascinating tv, I thought, though I wish I hadn't heard Eileen say that there was a kid upstairs.  I hope he had headphones on or something. 

 

I could have done without the scenes in NYC until they imitated Tyra.  That was fun.  Also a bit like an audition (or like a backdoor pilot) for a reality show based on the sisters.  If Gigi weren't already so successful I can imagine that happening.  

 

I wonder if Brandi tells her dates that her fantasy is to walk in on them with another woman.  If she does, that might explain people cheating on her.  Also, I was surprised she made a joke about the other women's husband's cheating on them.  Seems weird to joke about a cheating husband being the wife's fault, if your whole schtick is that you were Wronged.  

 

The little bit of bickering between Eileen and her husband was the first I've heard on one of these shows that didn't seem to come from a place of resentment.  She's probably my favorite addition to an HW cast ever, between that, her style, and the way she reacts to things (her response to Brandi's comment about screwing her husband, for example).  

[bichonblitz]

I never understood why Kim, as a recovering alcoholic would befriend Brandi this season, who clearly has an alcohol problem herself. Isn't that something you just don't do when you are working on your own sobriety, you have to choose your new friends wisely. As for Kyle, why in hell get friendly with Brandi knowing she is hanging with your sister and could be a negative influence on her? I'm not saying Brandi is to blame for Kim using/drinking again but damn you need to be smart enough to know what your triggers are and stay far, far away from them. 

 

Regarding Monty, Kim has said that throughout her life of knowing him, he was always pulling the disappearing act. He sounds like a piece of work himself. Another influence she should not have had in her house. Obviously, she couldn't handle having him there and caring for someone terminally ill. She really sabatoges herself at every turn. 

 

Who do you think is going to film with Brandi next season, I think her options are running low. 

Edited January 21, 2015 by bichonblitz

[SFoster21]

I'm concerned about that piece of pizza that fell on the floor. Will someone trip on it? Will the dog eat it? Will it sit in the corner for days before someone realizes it is there? Just trying to bring some brevity to this show! Carry on….

I thought the same thing! What about the rugs, the furniture in that lovely home?

Edited January 21, 2015 by SFoster21

[Almost 3000]

Thank you, Umbelina.  THIS, exactly.

Kyle did exit stage left at first to the bathroom and Kim followed her so at first it looked like Kyle was trying to avoid a scene. But boy it really ended up being all Kyle in the entry way pawning at Brandi who was comically holding a piece of pizza in one hand and a burger in the other while trying to shepherd Kim to the car.

[AgentRXS]

Having grown up around addicts, I have no doubt Kim stole the pain pills from Monty and that was the reason for Monty's "disappearance". I really hope Monty's not staying with her because he's concerned about HER addiction. Although I would not be totally surprised if Monty himself was abusing his pain meds also and he and Kim get high together.

 

I'm sorry but I've been in Kyle's shoes more time than I can count and I can't imagine why she would think it would be smart to chase after Kim when Kim decided to leave. Kyle's been through this long enough to know no coherent answers would be coming from Kim that night, and I would have let her go home/take her home myself and NOT verbally engage. I guess everyone handles it differently.

 

Brandi is enabling Kim, but at least she did try to assist in getting her out of there. Kyle really needed to back off at that point.

 

I truly believe Bravo keeps Kim around solely for the purpose of waiting for a meltdown. This is the same company that arguably exploited a clearly intoxicated Whitney Houston for ratings for Bobby Brown's reality show. The same company that continued to film when a wasted Gretchen was getting hit on by Tamra's son in the bathroom. There is no low for Bravo, and the last thing Kim needs right now is to be on a reality TV show. Hopefully, this is her last season.

 

Ugh, I hate when my guilty pleasures actually make me feel guilty for watching them. Shame on you, Bravo, for keeping this mentally ill woman employed. Disgusting.

Edited January 21, 2015 by AgentRXS

[GreatKazu]

Holy fuck! So much to comment on, but for now all I want is ONE question answered. I swear Monty has a wife. Wasn't she shown during the wedding episode? I remember hearing Kim mention that woman getting her hair done with Kim, as Monty's wife. So, why then is Kim taking care of him???? OK, that is two questions.

Help me out here.