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I don't think they will kill her off either.  I could see them writing her off in a way that leaves things open for her to return if the opportunity presents itself. Or,  as you suggested, they will keep them together and have her appear sporadically. 

I don't blame Floriana for wanting to pursue other options, Half the regulars didn't really get much to work with on a regular basis this year and she probably got the least to do, except for maybe Mehcad Brooks.

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 I wonder if the actress is really looking for other opportunities, or if it's one of those BS, press-written answers.

I could be wrong but I don't think TPTB would have chosen to let her go if she didn't want out. 

I guess if they break up it will allow Alex to see some other women instead of settling down with her first real girlfriend without dating anyone else, and it could mean more scenes between Kara and Alex. 

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Maggie can just return to Metropolis instead, easy way out.

But how recurring is she going to be, if it is 13 episodes then she doesn't have to leave, and just sits episodes out but is still around. If her role is cut back to the point she is only in 2-6 well then she most likely will be written off.

Interesting to note, that Maggie was originally listed as a recurring character in the original casting news and press releases in June, and Lena was suppose to be a regular. Now they have gone the route that both characters were originally conceived before they both got casted. 

I hope this has nothing to do with  Floriana not wishing to remain in Canada for filming. If so, again that would suck how they kept loosing people due to the location.

Another reason, I so wished they got a tax break like Lucifer has gotten which will move from Canada to LA for season 3, and it stayed in LA. A reason I hate the economy and money being an issue, if this was 20 years ago, all the CW-DC shows would be filming and based in LA. 

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Not sure if this thread is the right place to ask, or if I should go into the comics thread, but...can a show kill off a character that is still alive in the comics? I wouldn't even wonder about it if Maggie Sawyer wasn't a comic character, but just a character created for the show ( I am NOT saying that I want her killed off), as opposed to say, NO Superhero show would kill Lex, because he's still alive in...the...comics...oh WAIT. Smallville pulled that shit* in Season 8. ??Never mind.

*Though no one will EVER convince me that Lex was really killed. I don't care WHAT Souders and Petersen did.???

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But how recurring is she going to be, if it is 13 episodes then she doesn't have to leave, and just sits episodes out but is still around. If her role is cut back to the point she is only in 2-6 well then she most likely will be written off.

Yeah, I think so much rides on what "recurring" means here, and we probably will have no clue until the show comes back. I could see them saying she is "recurring" because she's coming back for 3 episodes to be written off permanently; otoh, maybe she's recurring like Lena (who ended up appearing in 12 episodes) was recurring. Hell, she and the creative staff may not even know yet how many eps she'll be in, depending on her availability wrt other projects she may have lined up....

Interesting tweet from Lima:

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That is interesting. I wonder if Mon-el was supposed to be a one season character originally too. His arc really works best as a one season thing but it seems TPTB are continuing his time as a regular. Which is strange because his storyline was much more divisive, multiple articles from legitimate sites wrote about why his character/storyline wasn't working for them. I actually really like him when they reign his screentime in but he didn't get the sort of response that usually leads to extending a character's time on a show. 

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32 minutes ago, Oreo2234 said:

That is interesting. I wonder if Mon-el was supposed to be a one season character originally too. His arc really works best as a one season thing but it seems TPTB are continuing his time as a regular. Which is strange because his storyline was much more divisive, multiple articles from legitimate sites wrote about why his character/storyline wasn't working for them. I actually really like him when they reign his screentime in but he didn't get the sort of response that usually leads to extending a character's time on a show. 

I wonder if this had more to do with Melissa/Chris dating in real life. But like what are they going to do if they split up, I know actors are professionals but I always hate that real life get's in the way of a show. 

I wonder if it had more to do with chemistry, if they saw it didn't work then Mon-El goes and stays gone.

50 minutes ago, stealinghome said:

Yeah, I think so much rides on what "recurring" means here, and we probably will have no clue until the show comes back. I could see them saying she is "recurring" because she's coming back for 3 episodes to be written off permanently; otoh, maybe she's recurring like Lena (who ended up appearing in 12 episodes) was recurring. Hell, she and the creative staff may not even know yet how many eps she'll be in, depending on her availability wrt other projects she may have lined up....

Interesting tweet from Lima:

Yeah I think they might be falling into another Calista situation, where they don't know how many eps at all, and just work around her. 

I think they really had no idea how popular Alex/Maggie would be. Part of me wonders if the proposal was written in for a reason. Maybe Alex and Maggie will break up, it all depends on what happens in season 3 and how many episodes. Maybe Maggie and Alex were not meant to be, and Maggie just used to help Alex come out and be comfortable with herself and she never was going to stay with Maggie, and they have a new love interest planned. 

I feel with the way it is going a big shift to Lena/Lillian will most likely happen in season 3. We will get much more on the Luthors. Kara without Mon-El at least early in the season means more focus on her and her job and Lena, and maybe Alex if Maggie is gone. The sisters will get more material now that their love interests are out of the picture, but again we have no idea how Maggie is being used and Mon-El and when he might return. 

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3 hours ago, nightwing877 said:

I hope this has nothing to do with  Floriana not wishing to remain in Canada for filming. If so, again that would suck how they kept loosing people due to the location.

I think this probably could do with it. Just like Calista not wanting to not be tied down as a series regular for a show not in LA. She could be wanting to be in LA more, or even be flexible to travel around.

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3 hours ago, Oreo2234 said:

That is interesting. I wonder if Mon-el was supposed to be a one season character originally too. His arc really works best as a one season thing but it seems TPTB are continuing his time as a regular. Which is strange because his storyline was much more divisive, multiple articles from legitimate sites wrote about why his character/storyline wasn't working for them. I actually really like him when they reign his screentime in but he didn't get the sort of response that usually leads to extending a character's time on a show. 

I actually think he works as a two season character IF the second season arc does turn out to be a Legion of Superheroes story. Because it makes a tremendous amount of sense for both his character and Supergirl to be involved with the Legion, and although their relationship dynamic is different than it ever was in the Legion comics, it still fits with the Legion involved. 

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I don't know if it's just PR BS but I could certainly see FL being frustrated with being tied down to a series where she's lucky if she has 1-2 scenes a week, which is mostly about her relationship. It's not surprising since Alex isn't the main character either. She probably wants to see if she can leverage the increased publicity into a bigger role somewhere.

I guess the probably don't know how much she'll be in it. If she gets a role elsewhere, probably very little, if nothing materialises she might be in it a lot more, at least until pilot season. It's possible she'll be able to recur long term. Lyla on Arrow has never been made a regular but is in a longterm relationship with Diggle and she pops up with a fair amount of regularity, though it helps that the actress is based in Canada.

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14 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

So, it sounds like Maggie's getting killed off or sent away at some point, which means Alex/Maggie won't have a happy ending. It's pretty much what I predicted, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't suck. I do wonder if the actress is really looking for other opportunities, or if it's one of those BS, press-written answers. It does imply that she wasn't satisfied with the direction of her character, which I agree with. As a series regular, Floriana was given very little to do as Maggie overall. Besides a few scenes here and there solely about her character, she was mostly there as a plot device. I really wanted more when it came to Maggie, as well. Hopefully, she either gets a decent send off or they work something out with Floriana that'll allow Maggie to stick around, even if it means less episodes. 

But they won't kill her off or send her away until we get the crazy wedding shenanigans episode.

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19 hours ago, Artsda said:

I think this probably could do with it. Just like Calista not wanting to not be tied down as a series regular for a show not in LA. She could be wanting to be in LA more, or even be flexible to travel around.

Yeah, Lima's in a relationship with Casey Affleck, so she probably doesn't want to be spending most of the year in Vancouver.

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On 27.5.2017 at 4:24 AM, Oreo2234 said:

That is interesting. I wonder if Mon-el was supposed to be a one season character originally too. His arc really works best as a one season thing but it seems TPTB are continuing his time as a regular. Which is strange because his storyline was much more divisive, multiple articles from legitimate sites wrote about why his character/storyline wasn't working for them. I actually really like him when they reign his screentime in but he didn't get the sort of response that usually leads to extending a character's time on a show. 

Based on the interview with the actor when he started working for SG it seems like the originally pitched at least 2 years to him. So anything less than that would be actively cutting him down from what was originally planned. 

I don't think that not being a regular HAS to be bad. After all, Maggie and James were regulars last season and Lena wasn't, but I would say their affect on the plot felt roughly comparable. So you can have a sizable presence of the show even though on paper you are a regular. I guess it depends on what other roles Lima takes and how that cuts into her availability. 

I don't think that they would kill her though. I think they made too much noise about not killing lesbian characters around the "Alex" episode. But they might break up Alex/Maggie, like by Maggie moving to a different city or something like that if it turns out that Lima is too wrapped up in her other jobs. 

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5 hours ago, tofutan said:

Based on the interview with the actor when he started working for SG it seems like the originally pitched at least 2 years to him. So anything less than that would be actively cutting him down from what was originally planned. 

I don't think that not being a regular HAS to be bad. After all, Maggie and James were regulars last season and Lena wasn't, but I would say their affect on the plot felt roughly comparable. So you can have a sizable presence of the show even though on paper you are a regular. I guess it depends on what other roles Lima takes and how that cuts into her availability. 

I don't think that they would kill her though. I think they made too much noise about not killing lesbian characters around the "Alex" episode. But they might break up Alex/Maggie, like by Maggie moving to a different city or something like that if it turns out that Lima is too wrapped up in her other jobs. 

Yeah, plenty of shows have had recurring characters that stay for multiple years and impact the show far more than some regulars. Arrow has maintained a multi season relationship when one of the pairing only ever shows up when needed, it can be done. . Last season she didn't have a lot to work with except in key Alex/relationship episodes so if they break the season and know when those will roughly be, they can hopefully get her back for them. I don't think cutting down on the episodes where she had 2 lines will necessarily hurt their relationship if they want to try and keep them together. It just depends on whether FL finds other work that means she can't commit to certain filming dates that they'll need for Alex's arcs or if she gets a series regular role next pilot season etc

I doubt they'll kill her off but as you say, if necessary they can break up for work or whatever, leaving the door open for a return as and when.

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As people have said, not being a regular doesn't mean Maggie won't be around at all-Lena wasn't one, but she had an impact just the same.

I can see Maggie wanting to back off just a little, making "taking a break", but eventually coming back to Alex. If the show decides to minimize the romantic quotient (and I regularly see that suggestion in any article about improving S3), I can see this happening.  

Then single Alex and Kara can have more sister time eating ice cream...:)

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I have never seen her in anything either, but she definitely pulled off "badass" in that fight clip on the TVLine page (whatever the hell Banshee was).  I'll take it :) .

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58 minutes ago, stealinghome said:

I've never even heard of her. Anyone know if she's any good?

As good as anyone else that has been on the show at least.

9 minutes ago, MarkHB said:

I have never seen her in anything either, but she definitely pulled off "badass" in that fight clip on the TVLine page (whatever the hell Banshee was).  I'll take it :) .

I saw her on Banshee. It was a great guilty pleasure and she did play a very convincing badass. The fight scene you mention was one of the highlights of an already over the top insane show.

Judge for yourselves, but be advised it's quite graphic so it might be NSFW...

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Does Lena Luthor already know Kara is Supergirl? Just drop us a hint. —Monique
Cat Grant may have just shown her own hand in the season finale, but “at the moment,” co-showrunner Andrew Kreisberg told us at the end of the season, “Lena definitely thinks they’re two people.”

Matt's Inside Line - June 8

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On 5/26/2017 at 8:52 PM, GHScorpiosRule said:

Not sure if this thread is the right place to ask, or if I should go into the comics thread, but...can a show kill off a character that is still alive in the comics? I wouldn't even wonder about it if Maggie Sawyer wasn't a comic character, but just a character created for the show ( I am NOT saying that I want her killed off), as opposed to say, NO Superhero show would kill Lex, because he's still alive in...the...comics...oh WAIT. Smallville pulled that shit* in Season 8. ??Never mind.

*Though no one will EVER convince me that Lex was really killed. I don't care WHAT Souders and Petersen did.???

I think there's some free rein for the TV shows to do their own thing, or conversely that the shows may have been forced to kill off characters that are alive elsewhere.

In the Arrowverse, Amanda Waller and Deadshot are both dead, despite being alive and well in the comics. The speculation I saw people expressing is that they didn't want to have confusion over the Suicide Squad movie, which featured both characters. (Although Captain Boomerang is alive and well in the Arrowverse and in Suicide Squad so who knows?).

In Legends of Tomorrow, Captain Cold is dead although he too is alive in the comics.

I haven't kept track of comics lately, but I think that Ronnie Raymond may be alive in the current continuity, but he is dead in Flash.

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26 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

In the Arrowverse, Amanda Waller and Deadshot are both dead, despite being alive and well in the comics. The speculation I saw people expressing is that they didn't want to have confusion over the Suicide Squad movie, which featured both characters. (Although Captain Boomerang is alive and well in the Arrowverse and in Suicide Squad so who knows?).

I thought Captain Boomerang was dead after Malcom Merlyn stepped off the land mine that he had been standing on to keep it from exploding.

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Hard to believe that Erica Durrance is 39.

Odette Annable was as bland as milk pudding in House but she's had time to learn some skills since then.

I'm honestly shocked that Mechad Brooks is back next season.  I thought Jimmy would have gone off to join Reporters Without Borders of something.

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I enjoyed Laura Benanti as Astra/Alura, but recasting is the right call. You could tell that Benanti's availability (or lack thereof) hampered the show at times last season, so if Benanti was really never coming back, this is the better call.

Sad that this means Benanti won't be able to contribute to any future musical episodes though!

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59 minutes ago, stealinghome said:

I enjoyed Laura Benanti as Astra/Alura, but recasting is the right call. You could tell that Benanti's availability (or lack thereof) hampered the show at times last season, so if Benanti was really never coming back, this is the better call.

Sad that this means Benanti won't be able to contribute to any future musical episodes though!

I understand the need for recasting, I only wish it had been a different actress.  

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4 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

Well this horrifies me.  

Horrify is too tame a word for how I feel about Durance being recast in this role. I'd thought I'd seen the last of her when Smallville ended.

At least I can mute her grating obnoxious voice.

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It makes me wonder now whether the show will follow the comics (at least the Silver Age comics) and have Zor-El and Alura turn up alive.  Kara would have her own Mon-El-type issues to work out with them, given that she now knows that they weren't quite the saints she grew up thinking they were.

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I didn't watch all that much Smallville, but from what I did see I didn't have a problem with Erica.  I think that bringing Alura back, in whatever form, shows they recognized that Kara still needs that mentor role in her life, and Hank and Snapper just aren't that.

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I don't have any strong opinions on Durance as an actress*, but it is going to be a bit jarring seeing Alura/Astra with a new face. But hopefully, we getting more Krypton backstory/history. ...They might have to recast Young Kara, too.

 

*(I dropped Smallville about midway through its run, and mostly didn't like the character/writing of Lois.)

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37 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

I never had a problem with Erica Durance either (although I only watched the first six seasons of Smallville).

She was treated more as comic relief in those years, complete with wacky soundtrack. IMO occasionally grating, but her one-note approach most of the time was good enough if I ignored who she was supposed to be playing.  As long as she was just Chloe's clueless cousin blundering around thinking she had a clue, she was amusing enough.

  I think later when they attempted to use her more significantly, that's when I really found her unbearable.  I cringed and winced through most of her scenes.  It wasn't until season ten when they blatantly changed her whole personality and ditched the shrill tones and manic expressions that I might have called her bearable but by then I resented being gaslighted too much to stop hating.     

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10 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

It wasn't until season ten when they blatantly changed her whole personality and ditched the shrill tones and manic expressions that I might have called her bearable but by then I resented being gaslighted too much to stop hating.     

That might explain my differing opinion; I really only watched a few of the "big DC events" (Absolute Justice, the Legion episode, the Wonder Twins), and then the last half of Season 10 to see them make the pivot to canon Superman.

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On 7/7/2017 at 8:09 PM, GHScorpiosRule said:
On 7/7/2017 at 3:44 PM, BkWurm1 said:

Well this horrifies me.  

Horrify is too tame a word for how I feel about Durance being recast in this role. I'd thought I'd seen the last of her when Smallville ended.

At least I can mute her grating obnoxious voice.

I found that I hate an actor on a show who's playing a character I meant to like but then he or she plays a different character somewhere else and I like her and it's because the previous character sucked.  Conversely to use an example, people love Connie Britton now but I never saw this level of adoration when she was on Spin City.  She was downright hated in her brief appearance on 24. It wasn't until she played Tami Taylor on Friday Night Lights that people were like "Oh my god Connie Britton is the best!" Her acting was great sure but the fact that she was also playing an awesome character is why she became such a favorite.

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1 hour ago, MarkHB said:

That might explain my differing opinion; I really only watched a few of the "big DC events" (Absolute Justice, the Legion episode, the Wonder Twins), and then the last half of Season 10 to see them make the pivot to canon Superman.

Then you don't have the whole picture, so to speak. You didn't see how obnoxious, shrill, grating she was, or how she stomped over Chloe, who was the journalist who paid her dues to get her job at the Planet. AND that she slept with her editor while she was doing it. Sure, he was a clone, and a smarm, but she ignored Chloe's sound advice that no one would take her seriously if she continued to shag her boss. "Lois" pretended to listen, then proceeded to continue boinking Julian in secret.  You didn't have to suffer and continue to watch this "Lois" like @BkWurm1, and I did, for six years, only to have the new show runners do a lightswitch, and have her character suddenly be the competent Lois and one who matched the comics to a certain extent.  More frustrating and ragey because these new show runners had been with the show since day one. The biggest insult was attributing everything that Chloe did to earn her stripes, as "Lois" had done. A person who started writing for and believing in a tabloid.

So, no. I have no hopes Durance will do a good job; what I am certain of is that she'll take away all the gravitas, nuance and layers that Benanti gave Alura/Astra.

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31 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Then you don't have the whole picture, so to speak.

I think your description somewhat confirms my original thought when the show premiered: that Smallville, at least as originally conceived, wasn't a show that I was likely to enjoy, and so I'm still glad I skipped it. But this isn't the Smallville forum, and I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on Erica based on our different exposure to her. 

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4 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Well, I have just thought of a silver lining.  Now with ED cast as Allura, I never have to worry that they'd cast her as Lois on this show.  :D 

Silver lining INDEED!!! I'll take what I can get!!!??

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4 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Then you don't have the whole picture, so to speak. You didn't see how obnoxious, shrill, grating she was, or how she stomped over Chloe, who was the journalist who paid her dues to get her job at the Planet. AND that she slept with her editor while she was doing it. Sure, he was a clone, and a smarm, but she ignored Chloe's sound advice that no one would take her seriously if she continued to shag her boss. "Lois" pretended to listen, then proceeded to continue boinking Julian in secret.  You didn't have to suffer and continue to watch this "Lois" like @BkWurm1, and I did, for six years, only to have the new show runners do a lightswitch, and have her character suddenly be the competent Lois and one who matched the comics to a certain extent.  More frustrating and ragey because these new show runners had been with the show since day one. The biggest insult was attributing everything that Chloe did to earn her stripes, as "Lois" had done. A person who started writing for and believing in a tabloid.

So, no. I have no hopes Durance will do a good job; what I am certain of is that she'll take away all the gravitas, nuance and layers that Benanti gave Alura/Astra.

Again, it's not like Durance herself was responsible for all these actions! She was doing what was scripted and what the directors told her to do.

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I've never really seen much of Smallville, so I can't speak to Durance's acting there, but I've been watching Saving Hope since it started airing and the conclusion I've come to in terms of her acting there is that she's not the best actress out there, but she's good enough where I can watch her scenes and enjoy them. She can be quite good when given strong material. In terms of the role now being recasted, there will most likely be a lot of comparisons to Laura Benanti, which just won't be avoided. The two, though, are very different actresses. They both have different acting styles and yes, I find Benanti a slightly stronger actress and yes, I am aware that Durance will most likely be adding her own flair to Alura/Astra. 

I also think it'll take some getting used to but I'm willing to give Durance a chance to try. It can't be easy to step into a role already established and shown on screen multiple times. 

Also, I imagine with Malina Weissman's series regular role on A Series of Unfortunate Events, they might have to recast Young Kara if they intend to have more flashbacks this season. 

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47 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Also, I imagine with Malina Weissman's series regular role on A Series of Unfortunate Events, they might have to recast Young Kara if they intend to have more flashbacks this season. 

I believe that ASoUE shoots in Vancouver as well, and it's only a ten episode season, so they'll probably be able to keep using her as a guest star.

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1 hour ago, Perfect Xero said:

I believe that ASoUE shoots in Vancouver as well, and it's only a ten episode season, so they'll probably be able to keep using her as a guest star.

There's also the fact that, since the pilot (which might have been when all her and Jordan's scenes were filmed), Malina has gone from 11 or 12 to 14 years old.  She doesn't exactly look like the girl that got into that pod anymore.

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On 7/9/2017 at 1:03 AM, BkWurm1 said:

She was treated more as comic relief in those years, complete with wacky soundtrack. IMO occasionally grating, but her one-note approach most of the time was good enough if I ignored who she was supposed to be playing.  As long as she was just Chloe's clueless cousin blundering around thinking she had a clue, she was amusing enough.

  I think later when they attempted to use her more significantly, that's when I really found her unbearable.  I cringed and winced through most of her scenes.  It wasn't until season ten when they blatantly changed her whole personality and ditched the shrill tones and manic expressions that I might have called her bearable but by then I resented being gaslighted too much to stop hating.     

Durance was definitely better at any type of comedy then she was at even attempting drama--not being able to move her face was a huge part of the problem--so maybe she'll be good as a blank faced hologram but if the show is expecting any sort of believable emoting, I think they hired the wrong Smallville alum.

Only time will tell.

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4 hours ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

Durance was definitely better at any type of comedy then she was at even attempting drama--not being able to move her face was a huge part of the problem--so maybe she'll be good as a blank faced hologram but if the show is expecting any sort of believable emoting, I think they hired the wrong Smallville alum.

Only time will tell.

And she won't be getting in the way of any ships(I'm going to assume).

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19 hours ago, MarkHB said:

There's also the fact that, since the pilot (which might have been when all her and Jordan's scenes were filmed), Malina has gone from 11 or 12 to 14 years old.  She doesn't exactly look like the girl that got into that pod anymore.

That's a good point, she doesn't look all that different to me on ASoUE, but it's a part that they might have to recast every couple of years anyway. Also, no problem with the actress, but I always thought it was a bit weird that they didn't cast a blonde as young Kara.

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Spoiler about Chris Wood / Mon-El:

"Where exactly did that vortex take Mon-El (Chris Wood)? Kreisberg assures us Wood's hot hero will be back in Season 3 but is mum on his current locale. 'Where he went his whereabouts and how he returns is one of the central mysteries at the start of the season,' he explains. 'The more astute comic book fans may have a semi good guess as to where he went'. "

Source: SDCC TV Guide Magazine
http://motorcyclegirlfriends.tumblr.com/post/162944813317/welp-its-official-from-the-tv-guide-sdcc-mag

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2 hours ago, emarasmoak said:

The more astute comic book fans may have a semi good guess as to where he went'. "

I'm guessing that means he did end up in the future?  

Although I'm not an "astute comic book fan", so maybe not. :)

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A surprising amount of commentors think its Supergirl, someone speculated that is the reason for the relative lack of spoilers for the new season. But it does not fit Supergirl's format, tone or style at all. If they did it would be a big WTF, possibly shark jumping moment. Also, this death is supposedly happening in the premiere and hasn't officially been approved yet and Supergirl is already filming its premiere. 

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