S05.E03: Four Walls And A Roof

[Boofish]

Mu Shu is going to make me lose my job. There is so much WIN in that post

 

 

Why do they paint A on stuff, though?    What does it stand for?   Asshole?

 

Sasha will slash the shit out of you, and Tyrese probably is getting 5 star reviews on Care.com.   I knew Sasha was heading into badass territory when she ditched her Charlie Brown sweater and got a proper post apocalyptic ensemble.

[Lyndy]

No matter what is ever happening, I can't see Daryl letting Carol do the dragging/heavy lifting. He even tried to help her carry water ( I mean sure he screwed that up but it was a nice thought.) Same with Daryl letting someone smaller and female guard a prisoner. Yes he does respect the women who are bad-asses...but it isn't about implying they are too weak. it is his awkward attempt to be a gentleman. Till he licks his fingers and shakes your hand.

 

Because I'm desperately clinging to the hope that Carol is still with him, I can see him letting Carol take care of Beth if Beth is emotionally traumatized. If she doesn't trust them and they have to coax her to come with them -- Carol's going to be the one who earns her trust. Just let me have my delusions, okay? 

 

There's also the possibility that Carol is injured and Beth is holding her up. In that case, Daryl would need to be on alert, crossbow at the ready. Beth was starting to hold her own but not enough to lead the journey back to the church.

[nachomama]

The Termites are way beyond help. Not for one instance would I believe that Gareth would get up and not continue to hunt them down one by one. Martin for sure was defiant in the kneeling, the writers could have easily made the slaughter "self defense" by just having Martin lunge or some such. I personally don't need that because this is fiction. Gareth = bad, don't care how you kill him and don't think less of anyone with a machete or a needle. There is nothing "humane" left in ZA. Technically, aside from the bat to the head, Gareth's method of trough killing was the most humane. That's exactly how they used to slaughter cattle. Now they have a gun so they feel nothing but the idea to drain blood while it's still pumping so it is icky beyond the thinking of it. 

 

And Father Gabriel's "this is the Lord's house" was just how far removed he is from what's happening in the world. He hasn't been a man of god since he turned his back on parishioners, even if it was out of fear. 

[diebartdie]

Sasha will slash the shit out of you

Lol, I dont think she's slash you as much as STAB! STAB! STAB! STABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTAB!

 

STAB!

 

STAB.

 

Stab.

stab

poke

[Nutjob]

They killed Gareth and crew like they would kill a herd of walkers if they didn't want to use their guns... bashed their heads in and made sure they were good and dead. Yes, it was brutal, but IMO our group has finally gotten to the place where they are able to see when the people they're up against are actually worse and more dangerous than the walkers, and that's why they put them down like that. If they were turning into the Termites, they wouldn't have given Gabriel a chance to explain himself at all--they would have just killed him and been done with it.

[Milaxx]

No, the group was showing their embracing of brutality. They were showing the first signs of becoming like the Termites rather than like human beings.

 

I disagree. Remember Rick said if he let them go even though they probably would avoid Rick & co, they wouldn't stop seeking out others to cannibalize. Rick wasn't killing them just for shiggles, he was killing them because they were a danger to society.  Sure people could quibble about whether they should have been put down more humanely. Personally I have no problem with the beat down they received. It was very punishment fits the crime in my mind.

 

I've watched 3 times now and I really didn't see any looks of horror or disgust on the part of Glenn & Maggie. Tyreese, yes, but he's kinda like that all the time so I don't count that. Glenn & Maggie looked like I do when  I have to kill a bug in my house. It's not the most pleasant thing to do, but sometimes it has to be done.

 

But did they pinky swear? I mean, that's just kind of flimsy to me that in the cold light of day, after the Termites were dead, that they still decided they had to go right then.

 

I think Glenn & Maggie upholding their part of the bargain, just shows the humanity and integrity they still have. They made a promise and are willing to uphold it. I also think they may be thinking that Rick will eventually meet up with them again once they find Darryl, Carol & Beth. The group has separate and regrouped before.

 

Then there's the practical reason that none of these characters are being written off and it's easier to tell the 2 separate stories than juggle a large cast all at once. It was the separate storylines last season that gave the writers the chance to flesh out some of the characters that often fade into the background.

[ghoulina]

Maybe Daryl has the weirdo from the train car who actually escaped and is his second cousin, twice removed?

 

This is the best suggestion yet. Cousin Berle? Pearl? 

 

They killed Gareth and crew like they would kill a herd of walkers if they didn't want to use their guns... bashed their heads in and made sure they were good and dead. Yes, it was brutal, but IMO our group has finally gotten to the place where they are able to see when the people they're up against are actually worse and more dangerous than the walkers, and that's why they put them down like that. If they were turning into the Termites, they wouldn't have given Gabriel a chance to explain himself at all--they would have just killed him and been done with it.

 

Totally agree. And, really, I'd be a little nicer with the walkers because at least they didn't choose to be that way. 

[missy jo]

I assumed Glenn's motive for going with Abraham was to keep the peace and give the Eugene Saves The Day plan a chance to work

 

It seemed like Glenn gave in too easily, especially considering it's a huge life or death decision that will likely separate him from his friends forever. He hasn't been given enough evidence to believe in Eugene's "cure."

 

Interesting discussion of how the Termites should have been killed. Rick was technically correct about not wasting bullets, but we know he just wanted sweet, sweet revenge. After all, he'd just shot a hail of bullets outside into the air for no reason.

[Lyndy]

It seemed like Glenn gave in too easily, especially considering it's a huge life or death decision that will likely separate him from his friends forever. He hasn't been given enough evidence to believe in Eugene's "cure."

Yeah, we know he hasn't been given enough evidence but the rest of this crew is eating Eugene's bullshit up with a spoon. Speaking of Eugene, am I the only one who's noticed how moody Eugene is? I mean more than when we first met him? He seemed so stunned and sad in this episode which I chalked up to the brutality of recent events but now I'm not sure. That "I don't want to go" moment was so weird. 

[RedheadZombie]

If Glenn had been kidnapped, there is no way that Maggie would have gone to Washington. Unfortunately, this sort of thing happens in real life, too (person forgets that everyone else exists when they're in love), but most people I know would care just as much about a sibling.

 

I don't agree with this.  Didn't Maggie leave Glenn on the bus to go find Beth?  I didn't interpret that as Maggie choosing her sister over her husband, and I don't feel she's now choosing her husband over her sister.

 

  I think Beth will be assisting/carrying Carol.

 

I fear you're right.  Carol is just as effective as Daryl at clearing an area and defending.  If Beth were injured, it would be easier if Daryl carried her, and Carol scouted the area.  I don't have that faith in Beth's ability, so she would be stuck helping Carol while Daryl clears an area.

 

Is Eugene going to defy physics and drive it over a giant chasm? .

 

If his driving skills are as sharp as his weapon skills.

 

My personal thought on the "C'mon out" is that it will be Carol DRAGGING Beth, who has suffered some kind of Stockholm syndrome crap and didn't want to be rescued.

 

Oh hell no!  The fact that that scenario rings true is killing me.

 

As cowardly as Gabriel looked leaping up off the steps and scurrying in to the church, Michonne motioned him to do it.  I think her look said, "get in that damned church and stay the fuck out of my way.  Your not getting me bit like you did Bob."

[Caelicola]

It was a crazy, bizarre, horrific scene that grossed me out and frankly made me uncomfortable to the point where I sort of dont feel as enthusiastic about my enjoyment of the show. The comics did this to me three times, the first time was also this "death of the hunters" scene. When it's all said and done, emotionally there is a difference between executing a murderer and murdering one (Dexter was never a good guy, capitol punishment is a good thing IN THEORY if not in practice).

I understand that point of view, and I don't blame you for that feeling; I just personally don't think it was even that brutal. They didn't hack pieces off them slowly before killing them, they didn't string them up and beat them, they didn't torture them for hours - and thank god for that. Could they have been quicker about it? Yes, they could, and they could have been more humane. But I've seen a lot of media take violence and turn it into torture porn, and I personally don't feel the scene came close to that.

Of course, that is the way I felt about it, but I understand how you, and many other people, felt differently, and I don't think you're wrong to feel that way, nor weak.

It's the beauty of any kind of storytelling, how differently it can resonate and affect different people.

[methinkstoomuch]

Thinking about Daryl. The voice and his facial expression seemed off. We did see Beth in the preview in a hospital. My thought is Beth is retelling the story of what has happened to her. Could Carol be helping a pregnant Beth?

[Caelicola]

This is the best suggestion yet. Cousin Berle? Pearl? 

I think Cousin Pearl Dixon is already my favourite character, and I know I'm gonna be very busy making up headcanons for him.

 

And given how he pronounces his son's name, Rick would probably call him Purl.

By the way, knitting needles would actually be a pretty kickass zombie-killing weapon.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Caelicola

[morgankobi]

I feel the Termites are much closer to Walkers than Grimes and Co. are to Termites, so the head bashing (of fictional, evil characters) was fine with me.

 

I really would have liked to see some play out of the eating of tainted meat. Maybe a partial change, or something interesting. Something to add to what we know of this world so far. The lack of any new info here adds to my belief that DC is beyond useless.

 

On the other hand, I can't believe that Glenn is going along with the DC Crew after seeing the CDC in person.

 

After watching Rick in action I think the best plan of action would be to help him find his friends, thereby possibly becoming part of his family. He's already game for DC, if you become part of his group, you've got the best chance of getting where you want to go in one piece.

[Anela]

I don't agree with this.  Didn't Maggie leave Glenn on the bus to go find Beth?  I didn't interpret that as Maggie choosing her sister over her husband, and I don't feel she's now choosing her husband over her sister.

 

 

Yeah, and she was going back to the bus. I still don't agree with the way she's just "meh" about finding her now.

I don't *understand* it. Why the sudden disinterest in finding her? She was almost like a machine, trying to find Glenn.

 

Although nobody went back for Andrea, either - Daryl was the only one to that I remember showing any concern about leaving her behind.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Anela

[meep.meep]

We didn't see the Get Fresh Crew get captured but the Grixons introduced themselves to the Termites and Tyrese told Martin Judith's name. Because Gareth knew Bob's name at cut throat sink, I assume the Get Fresh Crew introduced themselves as well. I'm not one of those people, but I know plenty of people who only needs to hear someone's name once and they remember

 

One of the things that was so chilling about last season's finale was that Gareth knew every one's real name - they were talking together before Rick started noticing all the paraphernalia belonging to his friends.  But when he ordered them into the train car, he called them by dehumanizing types:  ringleader, samurai, archer, etc.

 

I think killing the termites in the church was the equivalent of Carol killing Lizzie.  She couldn't trust her not to harm others.  Rick & Co. couldn't trust the termites not to keep taking victims.

[henripootel]

It was a crazy, bizarre, horrific scene that grossed me out and frankly made me uncomfortable to the point where I sort of dont feel as enthusiastic about my enjoyment of the show.

Not me.  Maybe having a toddler has left me bloodthirsty but when Gareth started talking about Judith, well, I only wish Rick could kill him more than once.  Some folks just need killing, and sorry for the mess, Father Pee-Pants.

Edited October 27, 2014 by henripootel

[Constantinople]

Back in Season 4, Bob said he was the sole survivor from his two previous groups.

 

No wonder Bob was so cheerful.

 

The third time really was a charm.

[bosawks]

I hope the people who think it's Beth carrying Carol as the mystery guests are right.

Daryl strolling about the woods at night carrying his crossbow while Beth is struggling behind fireman's carrying Carol glaring at him. That would be must see TV.

Oh, and Gareth remembering everyone's name just made me think he was in sales pre-zombie apocalypse.

[Mu Shu]

Not me.  Maybe having a toddler has left me bloodthirsty but when Gareth started talking about Judith, well, I only wish Rick could kill him more than once.  Some folks just need killing, and sorry for the mess, Father Pee-Pants.

LOL.  You and me both.    Not only did I want them brutally dispatched,  I wanted them hacked up and served to Scott Tenorman in the form of chili. 

[kikismom]

Glenn has always been a “saver” (of people) and never much of a “killer” of people (but he is as good as anyone when it comes to walkers – iirc only person shown to be able to kill a walker when tied to a freaking chair!) In that regard, his character has been pretty consistent throughout the show.

 

The very first time we see him, he’s the guy that saves Rick’s life when Rick was a total stranger (or rather the “hey you, yeah you, the dumbass in the tank”) to him.  He turns back to save Tara in the prison despite knowing she was from the attackers’ crew. He insists on trying to help others trapped at Terminus out, not just their own skins etc.  He will also take great personal risks when the objectives is constructive e.g. He takes point going into a sewer, goes down a well to take out bloated zombie so others can get clean water etc.

 

At the same time, he’s never been much of killer of people – froze at the bar fight, was sick during the Governor’s attack etc.  So I don’t think he is turning to Dale and unlike Tyreese, he will fight (people) but he’s never going to enjoy it or want it to be any more brutal than it needs to be. I think he’s been pretty much always like that.

 

Now it depends on one’s point of view if such a person is valuable in the ZA but Rick himself would not be alive otherwise. We know for example that if the shoe was on the other foot Rick would have abandoned a stranger in a tank in a heartbeat – on more than one occasion we’ve seen him abandon strangers needing help while they were under attack from far fewer walkers that those surrounding the tank - and remember that backpacker he let die and then take the pack out from the blood smears on the way back.

 

As others have mentioned, Abe was on the road with Glenn for some time and knows his walker killing skills and probably his scavenger skills as well (which is the best of the bunch bar none) while all he has seen of the others is them shooting up other people, so wanting him (and he and Maggie aren't going anywhere without the other while Tara already volunteered) is not that surprising.  Besides, if it were me in the ZA, having a “saver” in your crew watching your back is no bad thing at all. Shane is perhaps the ultimate pragmatic “killer” type, but I bet that dude that went to get medical supplies for Carl with Shane wished he had gone with a “saver” type instead.  And heck, Carol might kill Eugene if he develops a cough or something (not that Abe would know that - which is the point, he knows Glenn and Tara reasonably well but not the others).

Okay. I admit. I am completely confused here! My entire post was that I fear Glenn was turning not so much into Herschel as Dale.

 

I didn't reference killing, saving or anything physical! Or about any role in a fight or rescue!

 

When I think of what the characters stand for, neither Herschel nor Dale represents any physical trait. For me, anyway.

 

Herschel was a sage. An advisor. Dale thought he was; but he was didactic---his moralizing had an agenda. Once Herschel got with reality, he would consult to help you, and usually if you came to him first.

Dale's lectures were to draw a line in the sand, and always included the element of moral/ethical superiority

 

Herschel wanted you to use The Force for Good. Dale wanted you to take the castor oil. You'll be miserable but that's how you know it's good for you.

 

Herschel was Obi-wan Kenobi. Dale was Cotton Mather.

[SimoneS]

Glenn has always been a “saver” (of people) and never much of a “killer” of people (but he is as good as anyone when it comes to walkers – iirc only person shown to be able to kill a walker when tied to a freaking chair!) In that regard, his character has been pretty consistent throughout the show.

 

The very first time we see him, he’s the guy that saves Rick’s life when Rick was a total stranger (or rather the “hey you, yeah you, the dumbass in the tank”) to him.  He turns back to save Tara in the prison despite knowing she was from the attackers’ crew. He insists on trying to help others trapped at Terminus out, not just their own skins etc.  He will also take great personal risks when the objectives is constructive e.g. He takes point going into a sewer, goes down a well to take out bloated zombie so others can get clean water etc.

 

At the same time, he’s never been much of killer of people – froze at the bar fight, was sick during the Governor’s attack etc.  So I don’t think he is turning to Dale and unlike Tyreese, he will fight (people) but he’s never going to enjoy it or want it to be any more brutal than it needs to be. I think he’s been pretty much always like that.

 

You really captured Glenn's character here. I love Glenn. He is a bad ass walker killer and has risked his life to save almost everyone's life in the group at one time or the other. But other than in self-defense and even then, he is conflicted about killing human beings. Most of the people in the group have always been that way. Rick is a trained law enforcement officer so actually shooting someone in the moment is less difficult for him,

 

The thing I would add though is Rick did help Randall.

 

Rick also gave the Vatos the guns. He also brought all the older, sick, and children from Woolbury to the prison when he could have left them to their fates.

Edited October 27, 2014 by SimoneS

[peach]

The Termites were unarmed when they were killed. And on their knees. Whether or not that is a line that should eventually be crossed in this kind of world, it is a line, and it was crossed. I think that probably accounts for the horrified reactions. This is the first time these folks were on the same side as people who would kill unarmed human beings, and it gave them pause. Especially Tyreese, who couldn't cross that line with Martin. I expect we'll see how they deal with it.

 

Those unarmed, kneeling Termites were 10 feet and 1 minute away from murdering two children, and enjoying it.  Too bad, so sad. 

 

Gareth was dead from the moment he forced Rick into the train car by threatening to kill Carl.  It went downhill from there.   Anyone who promises to murder and eat my kids is probably going to have to worry about how many pieces they're left in.

[Irishmaple]

Normally I would have preferred a quick death for the Termites, a bullet or a knife across the throat.  The brutal beatings would have troubled me.  Not last night though.  I spent Sunday afternoon at the hospital because a colleague gave birth to a baby girl on Saturday.  I spent a couple of hours watching the baby while my colleague slept.  Then I came home and Gareth name-checked baby Judith.  No death was too ugly for that man. 

[SHOgirl]

Gareth was dead from the moment he forced Rick into the train car by threatening to kill Carl.  It went downhill from there.   Anyone who promises to murder and eat my kids is probably going to have to worry about how many pieces they're left in.

Reminds me of what Cuditz said on TTD. Along the lines of there is a simple lesson to be had in what happened at the church. Don't eat our people. My thoughts exactly.

[peach]

In addition to loyalty, I think Maggie and Glen are taking a huge risk putting their lot in with Abraham.

 

Rick & Co risked everything and killed a bunch of people to rescue Maggie & Glen from Woodbury.

Daryl & Co risked their lives to get medication to rescue Glen from a virus.

Carol & Rick risked their lives and killed a bunch of people to rescue Maggie & Glen from Terminus.

 

If Maggie and Glen need any other kind of rescuing, Abraham will sacrifice them for Eugene without a second thought.

ETA: In which case, Rick or somebody will probably find them and rescue them anyway.

Edited October 27, 2014 by peach

[peach]

Reminds me of what Cuditz said on TTD. Along the lines of there is a simple lesson to be had in what happened at the church. Don't eat our people. My thoughts exactly.

Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

[RedHackle]

Please tell me Morgan is with Daryl. Please.

 

Yes, yes, yes.  But that might just be too good – the sheer joy could just kill us.

When Judith predictably started to cry, did anyone else have a M.A.S.H. moment?

 

Totally!!!

"This is the Lord's house."

 

I thought Maggie’s response was pretty good, but  I halfway wish she’d made some snide comment to the Minister about him about his having put an end to that when he locked out his flock.  I mean, I feel for the guy, I do, but you don’t get to do that and then whine that ‘it’s the lord’s house’. 

Michonne getting her katana back, and Rick keeping his promise to Gareth?  I think I had a tiny orgasm.

One teensy tiny little nitpick – if I followed it correctly – Rick was unwilling to split up the group by not waiting for Carol and Daryl, and in order to get them to wait, he lets Maggie and Glenn agree to split the group up.  Okay, what?  Did I miss something?

And finally, Bob.  As a recovering alcoholic myself, I have a huge soft spot for him. I’d liked him from the beginning, but the episode where they showed him bumping along by himself, in semi-slo-mo, getting numb on NyQuil -before Glenn and Daryl found him – that one just grabbed me by the heart and never let go. To see him go was so sad, but loved loved LOVED the tainted meat laugh he got.  Bob rules.

Oh, and finally, Talking Dead line of the week goes to: Hungry Hungry Hispsters.

[ParadoxLost]

One teensy tiny little nitpick – if I followed it correctly – Rick was unwilling to split up the group by not waiting for Carol and Daryl, and in order to get them to wait, he lets Maggie and Glenn agree to split the group up.  Okay, what?  Did I miss something?

 

That didn't bother me.  Rick is taking the approach of leaving no man behind.  He's still letting the group make the decision of staying or going but just not at the expense of the whole which is why Abraham didn't get to bug out in the middle of a fight/imminent attack with the only transportation while they had people missing.

 

Frankly everyone else was as or more adamant about not splitting up and staying with Rick.  I didn't understand how Maggie and Glenn got to the decision of going during Abraham's confrontation with Rick.  A lot of my block on this is that given the CDC, Glenn's buying into Eugene's story enough to separate the group makes little sense to me.

[ghoulina]

Not me.  Maybe having a toddler has left me bloodthirsty but when Gareth started talking about Judith, well, I only wish Rick could kill him more than once.  Some folks just need killing, and sorry for the mess, Father Pee-Pants.

 

Father Pee-Pants just gave me the longest fit of irrational giggles. Can that be the title of his character thread? 

 

But I agree with you. LAK is the best. Anyone that puts hands on her or threatens her is gonna get it! Period. 

 

For me, brutality isn't just about how someone was killed, but who is being killed and why. For instance, The Guv mass executing his loyal and (mostly) innocent townsfolk on the road was much more disturbing than what happened in the church. IMO. 

[TexasChic]

I have to agree with you.  I just re-watched the scene because to be honest, I'm sure I had the same expression as Maggie/Glenn/Tara/Tyreese.  I think back on the "Carl about to be raped scene"- Rick became a violent animal, and thank God for that!  It was a desperate, out of control moment, and Rick only tore that man's throat out because Carl was a split-second from being raped.  I loved that we saw how his violence impacted Rick.  He didn't regret it, but he seemed traumatized afterwards.

But then the rapey guy dropped his knife and put his hands up, and Rick said, "This one's mine" before he slowly gutted him. But who's to say how anyone would react in that situation? Let's hope none of us ever have to know! I think this whole show is about exploring exactly what we're discussing; what people are capable of in extreme situations, what makes a person good or bad, and where you draw the line between the two.

[queenanne]

There are quicker, less brutal ways to kill someone even with a sharp pointy things rather than a gun Glenn, Maggie and Tara were probably horrified to see members of their group kill human beings as though they were already Walkers.

 

I have a feeling this has something to do, thematically, with the fact that "The Three Questions" raised their heads again with Rick-Gabriel.  "Have you killed humans?  Why?"

[PunkyMouse]

Thinking about Daryl. The voice and his facial expression seemed off. We did see Beth in the preview in a hospital. My thought is Beth is retelling the story of what has happened to her. Could Carol be helping a pregnant Beth?

Even if Beth were pregnant she would only be at the maximum one month along. After the prison fell we saw episodes either piggy-back off one another or happen simultaneously in their time. Carol and company could still see the black smoke from the burning still house in "The Grove."

[kikismom]

Even if Beth were pregnant she would only be at the maximum one month along. After the prison fell we saw episodes either piggy-back off one another or happen simultaneously in their time. Carol and company could still see the black smoke from the burning still house in "The Grove."

But if the people at the hospital cut both of Beth's legs off and Carol came out of the woods pushing Beth on a little skateboard it would be awesome.

[Pete Martell]

Frankly everyone else was as or more adamant about not splitting up and staying with Rick.  I didn't understand how Maggie and Glenn got to the decision of going during Abraham's confrontation with Rick.  A lot of my block on this is that given the CDC, Glenn's buying into Eugene's story enough to separate the group makes little sense to me.

 

Abraham was going to DC no matter what. He wanted the bus. He was probably going to get violent with Rick over it. I think Glenn just wanted to stop the conflict, and then after what he saw in the church, I think he was demoralized by what the group was becoming. He had a chance to start over with the main people he's close to now, so he took it.

[SoSueMe]

But if the people at the hospital cut both of Beth's legs off and Carol came out of the woods pushing Beth on a little skateboard it would be awesome.

Not a fan of Beth, but...that's a little extreme, lol.

 

Anyone think that the previews of Beth in scrubs will end up being flashbacks?

[Mu Shu]

But if the people at the hospital cut both of Beth's legs off and Carol came out of the woods pushing Beth on a little skateboard it would be awesome.

That is sick, and awesome.

 

WHO

 

TOOK

 

BETH?

 

I

 

DON'T

 

GIVE A

 

SHIT.

Edited October 28, 2014 by Mu Shu

[ParadoxLost]

I actually find that the degree to which I don't care about the Washington DC journey has made me giddy about finding out who has Beth by comparison.

[Chief Queef]

Wow...this episode rocked! The show struggled with some lameness for a few seasons and I drifted away for awhile, but they've really pulled me back in. And am I the only person in America who yelled "TAINTED MEAT!" while pulling my dinner out of the oven tonight?

Gotta say I'm team Father McShady on the "Lord's House" business. I'm not even religious, but would it have killed them to march the Termites outside and do their heinous bloodbath thing in the yard? That's a big ass mess to clean up, plus it's a CHURCH and there's little kids there! This doesn't speak well for Rick's group in terms of retaining a shred of humanity and civilization. How long before they're also reduced to eating people?

Didn't really understand all the "Gareth is smoking hot" fuckery on the Talking Dead? Sure the actor isn't objectively ugly, but even leaving the eating babies thing aside Gareth was annoyingly smug and smarmy and talked too. damn. much. He needed to go and he will not be missed.

Speaking of which, does ANYONE care about Beth anymore? I seriously forgot she was even on the show. She can stay gone too.

Still don't understand why Tyreese continues to clutch his pearls every time blood is shed. Did he miss the "zombie apocalypse" memo?

[Ohwell]

Father Gabriel saying "This is the Lord's house" really, really pissed me off because if he truly believed what he said, he wouldn't have locked the doors to the Lord's house and kept those poor people out.  I hope he gets eaten pretty soon.

 

I loved Sasha going medieval on that cannibal guy.  Actually, I loved all of them getting revenge on those cannibal bastards.

 

I have to say this:  I am getting sick and tired of damn Tyrese.  This is the zombie apocalypse and I am tired of him mooning around acting scared and stupid.  I'm sick of him mooning over Karen, who I never thought really wanted his ass anyway.  I don't care if he gets eaten now.  He needs to go.  I'm hoping that Darryl's friend in the bushes is Morgan so that they can substitute a smart black guy for the dumb one. 

[Solid Muldoon]

Why does Abraham always look so much cleaner than everyone else?

[GreyBunny]

LOL.  You and me both.    Not only did I want them brutally dispatched,  I wanted them hacked up and served to Scott Tenorman in the form of chili. 

I would have beaten or hacked the rest to death (I'm with Rick, they're not worth bullets).  Then I would have hacked off the rest of Gareth's hand or maybe a foot or part of a leg or sliced off pieces of his pretty face and forced him to eat it.  That's what he deserved.

[TexasChic]

I like Tyrese. I like that he is having trouble with going all primal and bashing people's heads in, because who wouldn't? If everyone crossed over into this world easily it wouldn't be realistic. I think he's fighting his inner demons just like everyone else. In this world, you either come to terms, or you don't survive. He's just in the middle of processing it all, while circumstances caused the others to process it a bit sooner.

 

As for Beth, I am interested to see what has become of her. I think, like Carl, she was made to be an intentionally annoying character, who we will see grow and adjust to the new world our characters live in. Carl went from an annoying little shit who didn't do what he was told and threw rocks at walkers. Now he's turning into a badass. As he gets older, he will be far more able to deal with this world than the people who were grown when this all happened. I think Beth may be turn out to be the same way. If this is the case, let's hope the actress is up for it.

Edited October 28, 2014 by TexasChic

[AngelaHunter]

Just now watched so sorry if I'm repeating things already gone over.

 

Father Pee-Pants just gave me the longest fit of irrational giggles.

 

Love this! Also loved Tyreese peeking out at the Slaughter of the Termites, then scuttling back into the other room. He's lucky they found someone more useless than he in Father Pee-Pants. It's a good thing Carol wasn't there, or she would have recognized the Termite that Tyreese said he killed. Nice going, again, Ty!

 

At first, I was all mad and stuff when Rick told the Termites to drop their guns and kneel, thinking "WHY? Kill them!" and then when he said he didn't want to waste bullets on them, I was all like, "All right!" You could see he was relishing what he was about to do, and with good reason. We've seen what he's capable of when someone threatens his kids and he knew had they not escaped Terminus, Carl would have been kneeling at the slaughter trough. Why would he have any mercy for them? I'm just sorry he didn't torment Gareth and the others a little longer.  Maggie's "Ewwww!" face was pretty good though.

 

IMO, the Termite Termination was one of the best scenes in this whole series. Revenge CAN be sweet, I guess.

 

What I disliked: The seemingly interminable scenes of Barbeque Bob expiring. Just die already.

 

Abraham, Eugene and Rosita - good riddance, and I don't care that they took Maggie and Glenn with them.

 

Everyone should have given Rick a giant apology for not backing him up when he wanted to finish off the Termites as soon as they all escaped.

[RedheadZombie]

But if the people at the hospital cut both of Beth's legs off and Carol came out of the woods pushing Beth on a little skateboard it would be awesome.

 

A radio flyer wagon would be safer.  You know, I'm trying to mellow out on my Beth dislike, and it's awfully hard with comments like this.  I don't know what's worse, legless Beth on a skateboard, or pregnant Stockholm Syndrome Beth being dragged away from her captor by Carol.  I'm willing to allow Beth back in the group, but if they plan on sacrificing "the grey-haired bitch" for Beth and her fresh ovaries, I'm going to have a problem.

 

Why does Abraham always look so much cleaner than everyone else?

 

I think his hair and facial hair are always clean (compared to everyone else) because he probably gets daily bozo the clown treatments to keep his hair bright and shiny.  I think it takes hard work and dedication to get to Rick and Daryl levels of stringy hair dripping with oil and filthy unwashed faces.

[shanndee]

A radio flyer wagon would be safer.  You know, I'm trying to mellow out on my Beth dislike, and it's awfully hard with comments like this.  I don't know what's worse, legless Beth on a skateboard, or pregnant Stockholm Syndrome Beth being dragged away from her captor by Carol.  I'm willing to allow Beth back in the group, but if they plan on sacrificing "the grey-haired bitch" for Beth and her fresh ovaries, I'm going to have a problem.

 

 

:lol: I'm trying really hard to reign in my Beth issues as well...but it is just so hard to do now that I've found so many like minded people!

 

I am very afraid that the show runners will be more than willing to sacrifice the "grey-haired bitch" for little miss youth and vitality. Somehow I don't think they see middle aged women as their target audience. :(

 

Will try to dislike Beth less. Will try to dislike Beth less. Will try...

 

How long do I have to repeat this before it becomes true?

[lawless]

Those unarmed, kneeling Termites were 10 feet and 1 minute away from murdering two children, and enjoying it. Too bad, so sad.

The manner of the killing of the Termites was brutal, and I think the manner of their executions was definitely about a release of our gang's pent up rage and fear, and revenge. The Termites definitely deserved to die -- death was a just consequence for all of the innocent people they trapped, tortured (psychologically if not physically), murdered, and ate -- that's quite a fucking taboo to break. However, there is a danger to our heroes in letting their emotions carry them away into to such brutality, because perhaps one day the person they're enraged at will actually deserve mercy, and our heroes will have lost the self-discipline to let their better natures prevail.

However, all that said, the Termites freaking dismembered Bob's leg and ate it in front of him, and taunted him about killing the rest of the people he loved in like fashion, relishing the thought of killing women . . . and all those toys and Teddy Bears at Terminus. . . and menacing Carl and baby Judith. . .

Fuck 'em! Our heroes can exercise self-discipline another day.

ETA: I agree that Tyrese is going to have to come to terms with the need to kill both Walkers and dangerous humans, but I like him. He's a hard worker who is singlehandedly responsible for saving Judith from the prison and the man tried to keep three kids alive and well all by himself. He's seems to have a gentle nature and a strong moral center, and he's struggling with the savagery around him. Yes, he needs to cope with it soon in order to survive, but I like him, and I appreciate his struggle, especially after what happened with Lizzie and Mika. Heck, even the formidable Carol seems to be struggling with that, so I am trying to be patient with Tyrese.

Edited October 28, 2014 by lawless

[ParadoxLost]

I like Tyrese. I like that he is having trouble with going all primal and bashing people's heads in, because who wouldn't? If everyone crossed over into this world easily it wouldn't be realistic. I think he's fighting his inner demons just like everyone else. In this world, you either come to terms, or you don't survive. He's just in the middle of processing it all, while circumstances caused the others to process it a bit sooner.

 

What I find interesting is that some of the characters are pushed to their extremes and others are acting as the ballast to keep them from tipping over to becoming too much like the Terminians/Governor or Father Gabriel.  And who is who changes all the time.

 

Rick has become ruthless leader who will fuck you up if you try to hurt his extended family.  What he did to Gareth could have been a lot worse and frankly although it included a heck of a lot of overkill, whether intentional or not, Rick likely killed Gareth with the first blow.  I don't think Abraham did. 

 

But several characters are subtly or outright changing to support Rick.  Michonne and Daryl are clearly and quietly supporting all his decisions and letting him talk without judgment (I'm going back to season 4).  Carl all of the sudden has hope for the world and faith in his father which is a 180 from the prison when Rick was determined to be a farmer.  They are filling the gaps and keeping things together as the community changes and copes.

 

Bob took time on his deathbed to make sure Rick knew the good he did by letting people in.  Tyreese couldn't kill a man who threatened to murder a baby but made sure Bob couldn't turn to spare Sasha.  Rick came back from the slaughter of the Hunters to dig a grave with Tyreese and check in with him out of true concern that Tyreese is ok.  Somehow in all of this, Rick realized that Tyreese might be the one struggling the most which is pretty damn insightful considering.

 

This is what keeps them from becoming the people that are worse than walkers.  Its also a little bit of the reason that I can't get behind Abraham, Eugene, and Rosita or Maggie, Glenn, and Tara for joining them.  They are chasing the miracle cure to fix the world which is easier than figuring out how to survive together in this new world.  Its letting down the people they left behind.  I suspect it will not go down particularly well when/if Eugene is lying. 

Edited October 28, 2014 by ParadoxLost

[TexasChic]

The thing is, how do you get to the point of being able to beat someone to death, without drawing on some inner rage to push through the goriness of it all? I think they had to go to that primal place, but it's scary to think of not being able to turn that part of you off again.

[ParadoxLost]

However, all that said, the Termites freaking dismembered Bob's leg and ate it in front of him, and taunted him about killing the rest of the people he loved in like fashion, relishing the thought of killing women . . .  and all those toys and Teddy Bears at Terminus. . . and menacing Carl and baby Judith. . .

 

The thing I just realized is that one of two things were going to happen.  There were too many people to eat.  They were either going to kill them all for revenge or capture as many as possible and slaughter them one at a time.  I think Gareth had the latter in mind.  They would have locked everyone up, carved them up one at a time while still alive and made the others watch.  Rick would have been last.