S05.E03: Four Walls And A Roof

[Tara Ariano]

Rick and the group find themselves pitted against some nasty people.

[halgia]

We're trying something new this week: this is the "no book talk" thread. Don't mention the comics at all in here, even in spoiler tags. There's another thread for comic-related stuff about this episode and in general. Since this is a new thing we're trying, if you have opinions about the split one way or another feel free to talk about them here.

[SoSueMe]

Oh crap, Beth.

[TexasChic]

What???? Who was he saying "come on out" to?

Edited October 27, 2014 by TexasChic

[SimoneS]

This was a crazy great episode. The return of the machete and the katana.

 

The blood bath was so well done.

 

What were Glenn and Maggie thinking going with these people? How can anyone believe that Eugene has the cure to the walkers?

 

I wonder who was with Daryl.

[Guest]

I wonder who Daryl brought back.  I don't think its Carol.

[mustbekarma]

Who would have thought that "Tainted Meat!" would have such a sweet sound. Although Rick killing Gareth with Michonne's katana (oops, the red machete) was satisfying, I was kind of hoping they'd stake everybody outside and let them turn,

 

Moral of the story: Cannibalism in a zombie apocalypse is a bad idea. You are what you eat.

Edited October 27, 2014 by mustbekarma

[Mya Stone]

Please tell me Morgan is with Daryl. Please.

[Rosiejuliemom]

Nice little Shaun of the Dead thing going on with Gareth and the window.

 

A bear can have another cub? Well, we can't have another Bob, now can we? Oh, wait...was that cub analogy supposed to mean Carl and Judith?! Ewwwww.

 

TAINTED MEAT!! Oh, that was everything I wanted it to be and more.

 

What, exactly, is the proper temp to cook human to in order to kill the virus?

 

While I will miss Bob, Father Gabriel intrigues me and I would like him to stick around for a minute.

 

Glenn remembered Jim! I get irrationally giddy when this show mentions people who have died. Although, was it really two days in between Jim's bite and when the group left him by the tree?

 

Did Rick shoot Gareth's finger off?

 

Red-handled machete! Rick Grimes is a man of his word.

 

The only thing missing from the Michonne/Katana reunion was a glow of heavenly light and some rocking guitar music.

 

Both Maggie and Glenn got some interesting Hershel-esque moments. Maggie with the bible and Glenn as the peacekeeper.

 

Judith is such a cute little thing.

 

Sorry I was an asshole note- Ha!

 

So now we stand at three main groups and Beth. Abraham, Rosita, Eugene, Tara, Glenn, and Maggie. Rick, Carl, Judith, Michonne, Sasha, Tyreese, Father Gabriel, and Daryl. Maybe Carol?

 

Come on out who?

[Gin and Tonic]

The actors playing Bob and Gareth did a great job in the opening scene, but I confess I was still giggling throughout.  It's just so comic booky.

 

Seth Gilliam is great.  And pretty.  He can stay.

[lulee]

My money's on Carol helping Beth walking behind Daryl.

[natyxg]

Who would have thought that "Tainted Meat!" would have such a sweet sound. Although Rick killing Gareth with Michonne's katana was satisfying, I was kind of hoping they'd stake everybody outside and let them turn,

 

Moral of the story: Cannibalism in a zombie apocalypse is a bad idea. You are what you eat.

 

I thought it was like a machete or something. It seemed wider.

[SimoneS]

I thought it was like a machete or something. It seemed wider.

 

It was the machete with the red handle that he used on the prisoner.

[mustbekarma]

The sword was still sweet justice, though. I like it when people keep their promises.

[kelnic86]

"This is the Lord's house."

 

Poor Father Gabriel. Crushing what had to be done inside your church. But they deserved it, so I don't feel all that bad about it.

Edited October 27, 2014 by kelnic86

[minamurray78]

Hey, whatever happened to "we're not splitting up; what he said; what she said; what he said"?

 

Good thing for the younger Green sister Daryl's still around to even remember her. Maggie "Beth who?" sure got over her family ties.

 

Goodbye Chris Coy, I wish you'd been made into a regular, I would have enjoyed you on my screen a bit longer.

[natyxg]

It was the machete with the red handle that he used on the prisoner.

 

Holy shit, you guys remember details! I binge watched the first 3 seasons last year, so I cant remember stuff like this. lol.

[ToniG]

I thought it was like a machete or something. It seemed wider.

You're right. It was the red-handled machete that Rick told Gareth he would kill him with when they were at Terminus.

[Gin and Tonic]

When Judith predictably started to cry, did anyone else have a M.A.S.H. moment? 

[blaksheba]

What was Maggie thinking? She left and has no idea where her mind-numbingly boring sister is...

 

I am going to miss seeing Lawrence Gilliard; I love him as an actor. So glad that he was in this show. He gave a great performance as Bob, even though sometimes the writing was a bit uneven. "Tainted Meat!" Loved it.

 

I love that the Termites are gone and this battle wasn't dragged out too long. 

 

I am sure that the walkers in the school will factor in son. Gareth's mentioning of the glass breaking soon surely could not have been in vain.

[SoSueMe]

 

 

 

 

Glenn remembered Jim! I get irrationally giddy when this show mentions people who have died. Although, was it really two days in between Jim's bite and when the group left him by the tree?

 

 

 

 

And still Maggie didn't mention Beth. I rest my case, they should be leaving her lost.

Edited October 27, 2014 by SoSueMe

[Starchild]

Carol better not be gone, y'all.

[natyxg]

Did Rick shoot Gareth's finger off?

 

Yep.

 

I'm glad that now we're really done with the Hunters/Terminus. I just don't want this show to drag things along ever again. I thought their deaths were too brutal, I wish they had just put a bullet in their heads or some well thought out stab in the heart or something. But I get what they were going for.

 

Poor Bob!

 

I am really annoyed that they split up AGAIN. Specially considering that with the hunters dead Abraham and others could've waited a while to see if Dary and Carol came back. You don't have cell phones, people! If you split up there is a big possibility that you won't see each other again. But then again, they always do so maybe they just belieeeveeee.

[bmoore4026]

"TAINTED MEAT!"  You rocked, Bob!

 

Surprised The Hunters storyline wrapped up so quickly.  I was expecting it to be a season long thing.

 

Bob's death and how it was acted was beautifully done and just made me angry at the Emmy committee more for overlooking some great actors.  Damn cable.

 

Was it wrong that I smiled a little when Rick and them slaughtered The Hunters?

 

Felt so sad for the reverend.  He so wants to hold on to a light of hope in a world of despair.

 

Is there any significance to the Bible chapters and verses on the church wall? 

 

Abraham is a fool and Eugene is a wormy creep.  Can't wait for the latter to get his comeuppance.

 

So, are Glenn and Maggie and all them off the show permanently?  I mean, yes, the group was very large and had to be reduced a bit, but since they didn't die, I was just wondering.

Edited October 27, 2014 by bmoore4026

[Guest]

When Judith predictably started to cry, did anyone else have a M.A.S.H. moment? 

 

No. I'm ashamed of myself, but every time I saw Judith all I could think was veal Judith.

[Rosiejuliemom]

When Judith predictably started to cry, did anyone else have a M.A.S.H. moment?

 

 

Sure did. Same as when Creepy Lizzie was trying to keep her quiet in the woods. 

[ghoulina]

So many great moments in this episode. 

 

Bob's maniacal laughter as he revealed to the Termites he had been bit. "Tainted meat!" Ahhhh, I was dying. Too bad it didn't really matter. I would have liked to see them suffer a bit, but it wasn't worth the risk....

 

...Which brings me to another great moment - Rick and the red-handled machete! BAMF. Rick is just getting more and more awesome. He has truly learned how to seal the deal. 

 

And I knew it. I knew it! When we CDB leaving and the Termites approaching, I told my husband - "Watch, it's a ruse. They're not really leaving". So glad I was right. That was just perfect. The entire cannibal storyline was perfect. It was just long enough to be creepy and interesting, but they ended it before I wanted to poke my eyes out (*cough*Governor*cough*). 

 

Another great moment was Tyrese coming in to finish the job for Sasha. He's a great big brother. And it kind of atones for his previous inability to kill. Kind of. I loved the tender Bob-Rick moment too. Bob's end got to me more than I thought it would. RIP, Bob. I guess we'll never find out what's in the box. 

 

Michonne got her katana back! Sweet justice. 

 

I hate the group being separated, but it might be more interesting in the end. We shall see. I did have to laugh when Tara offered herself up in a deal to get Abe and co. to hang out a bit longer. What good is that going to do??? If anything, she'd be more of a hindrance. Sweet, naive Tara.

 

What the fuck is the deal with Carol??? Why they gotta leave me hanging like that???

[lulee]

What was Maggie thinking? She left and has no idea where her mind-numbingly boring sister is...

I guess the show wants to drag out all the reunions.

[kikismom]

SO where's the part where Gareth talks about going to Washington?

[PrincessEnnui]

I don't mean to lay into Maggie, but she can seriously needs to go. This is what I hate about romantic relationships in fiction. Once two characters get together, everyone else in their social circles (family, friends, coworkers) can just fuck off and die for all they care. Man, did Glenn and Maggie (especially Maggie) get hit with this hard.

[SimoneS]

I really loved when Gareth was begging for his life and Rick told him that he had already made him a promise and pull out the machete. That whole scene will be a Walking Dead classic.

[lulee]

SO where's the part where Gareth talks about going to Washington?

Wasn't that part of his ramblings to Bob?

[Texasmom1970]

Oh Bob always seeing a silver lining even till the bitter end. Actually gonna miss his out of place optimism.

Yeah, Darryl is back, but we're the hell is Carol? Couldn't give a rats ass about Beth. Even her own sister doesn't seem to care where she is, that says a lot!

[Guest]

I am really annoyed that they split up AGAIN. Specially considering that with the hunters dead Abraham and others could've waited a while to see if Dary and Carol came back. You don't have cell phones, people! If you split up there is a big possibility that you won't see each other again. But then again, they always do so maybe they just belieeeveeee.

 

I just hope they don't repeat last years story structure.  Journey to Washington holds no interest for me because I'm not invested in any of those characters.  I don't want entire episodes dedicated to it.

Edited October 27, 2014 by ParadoxLost

[natyxg]

Felt so sad for the reverend.  He so wants to hold on to a light of hope in a world of despair.

 

I think its more like he has been locked up all this time so he is as appalled now as Rick would have been when he first woke up at the hospital.

[Enero]

Great episode!

Yay! Michonne got her machete back!

Sad that Bob died. But so glad that his death wasn't completely in vain. The stupid Terminus people ended up eating his tainted meat.

Can Rick get anymore BADASSED? The ambushed was on the Termites was awesome.

Glenn and Maggie going with Abraham and crew will not end well.

When Michonne was walking towards the woods I thought Morgan was going to walk out the woods. Glad to see Darryl but still don't care where Beth is and what happened to her.

Tyrese looked horrified by the massacre and having to finish off Bob. I don't know how long he's going to last being so stunted by the thought/act of killing.

[JackONeill]

Couldn't Maggie at least say, "Tell Beth I waited up as long as I could. But I had to go." Man, she was the first one on the bus!!!

[Adam]

Tonight we mourn the loss of a truly compelling character.

Bart, you were taken from us far too soon.

But seriously, I had hoped Gareth would be a more worthy adversary. Has the fine art of villainous duplicity been lost in the post apocalypse? Gabe had better be planting some seeds of dissension among these avenging angels soon.

[kikismom]

No. I'm ashamed of myself, but every time I saw Judith all I could think was veal Judith.

I guess that's why they didn't name her Diane.

Wasn't that part of his ramblings to Bob?

I don't think so. I'll have to see it again after TTD.

[ghoulina]

Hey, whatever happened to "we're not splitting up; what he said; what she said; what he said"?

 

I'm pretty annoyed by this. The entire reason Abraham decided they had to change plans and leave immediately was because there was a "threat to Eugene". But now that the Termites are all dead, that threat is gone. So couldn't they just wait around a bit, despite the promises that were made?

 

Was it wrong that I smiled a little when Rick and them slaughtered The Hunters?

 

If it is, I'm eternally damned. There was a whole lot of laughter and whooping it up during that scene.

[Valny]

I was yelling a couple of times. When Rick was talking to Gareth, I was yelling KILL HIM,KILL HIM!  And when Sasha was crying at the end with Bob. I was going Don't turn away from Dead Bob!! I really thought he was going to sit up and bite her.

 

I knew Rick and the gang were going to double back and come back to fake out the bad guys.

 

Brutal killing scene, loved it.

 

hate that the gang is separated again. Grrrrr.

 

ETA- for stupid tablet typos

Edited October 27, 2014 by Valny

[Pete Martell]

 

The only thing missing from the Michonne/Katana reunion was a glow of heavenly light and some rocking guitar music.

 

I wanted this.

 

[Irishmaple]

I have never loved Bob more.  I thought the poor guy was sinking into despair but instead he was laughing his ass off.  Tainted Meat has never sounded so good, and his absolute glee as he delivered the line was awesome.  Excellent stuff.  He made the Termites sick and freaked them right out.  Badass move, Bob.

 

I swear I willed Rick back into that church.  I was sitting there, gnawing on my lip, as Gareth taunted the people inside the church.  I was hoping Rick and the others hadn't really gone to the school, but I wasn't sure enough to feel comfortable.  I was genuinely concerned for Judith and Rosita and the others (except possibly Eugene)  Chandler Riggs has developed one hell of a 1,000 yard stare over the years and Carl looks like he can take care of business.  Rick telling the Termites to drop their weapons was such a sweet moment and then he shot Gareth, who never stops trying to justify himself, does he?  Rick kept his promise, and I liked that he did it not just for revenge but to keep other people from crossing the Termites' path in the future.  Michonne is finally reunited with her katana so all's good in the world.  The little actress who plays Judith is adorable.  She seems very comfortable with Andrew Lincoln and the way she turned to look when Bob stared talking to Rick was so cute. 

 

I noticed Eugene balked again at going to Washington.  He didn't move from the pew until Abraham ordered him to go.  He's hiding something or else coming to realize that Abraham truly is relentless and Eugene is going to be in trouble if he can't deliver.  I do like that Abraham apologized for being an ass, but I wish the group hadn't split again.  Nice to see Daryl back so soon, and I'm dying to see who follows him out of the foliage.   

[SoSueMe]

Tonight we mourn the loss of a truly compelling character.

Bart, you were taken from us far too soon.

But seriously, I had hoped Gareth would be a more worthy adversary. Has the fine art of villainous duplicity been lost in the post apocalypse? Gabe had better be planting some seeds of dissension among these avenging angels soon.

Who Bart ?????

[Valny]

Damn, now that Beth is coming back, Maggie is gone.

[mightysparrow]

I think the rest of the cast is really going to have to work hard to best Lawrence's performance tonight. Absolutely brilliant.

 

I had tears in my eyes during Bob's death scene but I actually sobbed when Tyreese came in to kill Bob and spare Sasha. My Tyreese is back.

 

I've been pro-Judith up to now but I was too through when she started to cry.

 

Black men represent! Seth was so good tonight. I hope Father Gabriel sticks around.

 

So glad Gareth is gone.

 

Michonne has her katana and all is right with the world. I think she's accepted that she can't become June Cleaver in this world and that she needs her katana because it's part of who she is.

[HalcyonDays]

Tainted meat - oh, loved the giggling by poor Bob - he didn't deserve his fate, but the Termites did! However, we don't know if the virus is killed by cooking the meat. *retch*

 

Yes, Rick shot off two of Gareth's fingers, and that bastard has the audacity to cry and whine and beg for his life. Seriously?  I loved Rick's response too. Okay, you won't encounter us again, but you WILL encounter someone else, and I KNOW what you will do. Some people are unredeemable and its better off to dispatch them for the greater good.

 

Gareth being taken out by the red handled axe! Hell ya! I always yell at the TV, at these typical idiots who pull things like Gareth, like BBQing humans, slaughtering them without remorse, providing self-aggrandizing and self-righteous speechs, but them begging for your life. Really? Good on Rick, Michonne and Abraham for taking out those parasites. What I didn't like - the somewhat judgemental looks by Maggie, Glen et all. Please. You should know better by now.

 

Maggie and Glenn went with Abraham and co. because it was fullfilling their promise. You know the two factions are going to meet up again very soon.

 

Called it!! - Michonne gets her katana back, courtesy of a Termite. I knew it. I know she looks sad at it's meaning, but it truly is the best weapon to have. Awesome!

 

I'm telling you, there is some shadiness with Eugene. Everytime they cut to him, he's got this shady look on his face. He knows nothing.

 

Darryl emerging from the woods...I expect the next episode to be the same timeline, but covering what happened to Beth, Carol and Darryl during that same time. Carol brings Beth with her out of the forest. Poor girl. She's going to be messed up.

 

Excellent episode.

[NurseGiGi]

OMG, I'm freaking out!  For some reason my DVR didn't record the episode.  Thank goodness for the encore episode.  

[Pete Martell]

This was a crazy great episode. The return of the machete and the katana.

 

The blood bath was so well done.

 

What were Glenn and Maggie thinking going with these people? How can anyone believe that Eugene has the cure to the walkers?

 

I wonder who was with Daryl.

 

Glenn had made a promise to help keep everyone together for the attack, but beyond that, I think he just can't deal with what Rick is becoming, and the darker tone of the group in general. "Hope" (Tyreese and Glenn, among others) lost to reason and brutal effectiveness (Rick, Sasha). I think he'd rather start a new path, especially since the people he's closest to in the group (Maggie, Tara) are with him.

 

I was really pleased they went this route with Glenn instead of just having him around to offer Hershel-isms. Glenn has been moving away from the group for several seasons now. This is a way to expand on that and give him more of his own voice and material.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Pete Martell

[ghoulina]

SO where's the part where Gareth talks about going to Washington?

 

Thank you! That's what I said to my husband, and the only reason I was a bit shocked when Gareth was killed.

 

And, no, it wasn't part of what he said to Bob. He did mention Bob could have joined them, but he never said anything about going to DC and curing "this thing". I'm almost wondering if they spliced Abraham's words with Gareth's in the trailer to fuck with us.