S47.E04: Is That Blood in Your Hair?

[fishcakes]

32 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

My answer, which could be wrong: No one. She's on the bottom of a four person tribe. Kishan and Teeny are tight, and she's not going to get between that duo. Kishan's already throwing her name around as a "decoy." If the tribe stays together and ends up at Tribal after a Rome boot, how does she avoid getting the boot next?

This is what's key, whether or not she's really on the bottom. I think it could just as easily be Sol on the bottom, but I really don't know. And I put the blame on Rome for her name coming up because of his mean-spirited desire to not just vote Sol out, but to bully him into giving up his SITD in exchange for not getting voting out, and then vote him out anyway, just for the fun of humiliating him. In asking Kishan for a decoy, Rome knew the only possible answers were Gen and Teeny and Kishan wasn't going to say Teeny. I agree that Kishan didn't care that Gen's name was being floated, but Rome didn't care either. He only cared when he heard his own name had come up.

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Meanwhile, I think that Sol has already shown he's willing to work with Genevieve in going along with this most recent vote, and Teeny probably would too.

So the way I saw that is that Sol was NOT willing to work with Genevieve on voting on Kishan. He told her he wouldn't do it and was voting for Rome. To me, he seemed surprised when Rome stole Kishan's vote and even said, "I don't know what to do," and only ended up voting for Kishan because he quickly did the math and knew that Kishan was going regardless, so no need to vote for Rome and make him even more irrational. It's entirely possible that Sol was only acting shocked at TC to maintain plausible deniability with Teeny, but he seemed genuine to me.

Oh, and on another topic entirely, Sam being concerned about Sierra giving Andy information that she didn't give Sam didn't bother me that much, but I am in favor of voting Sam out to prevent us having to hear him rap again.

Edited October 10 by fishcakes

[DEL901]

16 hours ago, bankerchick said:

Rome makes me uncomfortable.  He seems to honestly believe that he is in charge and that he is the sole reason his team has won any rewards to this point.  Being a bully seems to come naturally to him.  He would creep me out in real life and I don't know how Sol was able to stop himself from punching him in his giant, obnoxious mouth.  I understand physical contact is strictly forbidden, but when someone is within inches of your face and refuses to leave you alone, I think you should have a right to remove the problem.

I already forget the name of the guy who was voted out, but he thought he was a little smarter than he was.  Once Genevieve found out he floated her name, that was all she wrote.  'Ha ha.  I love to sow chaos.'  How'd that work out for ya?

 

15 hours ago, Chalby said:

Where does some goofball, Survivor nerd like Rome, get all that confidence from? Even when I hear him talking, when I'm away from the screen, I'm surprised no one has told him to STFU with his constant yapping. And Sol needed a reality check because he was posturing like he had advance news he was in the final.

Something just feels off, and I need the game to get up & get going to show me a glimpse of what "something" I can watch without feeling irate or annoyed.

I looked up Rome’s bio.  He is an eSports commentator.   That’s why he talks so darned much.  (And yes, eSports, not actual sports).  

[kassandra8286]

3 hours ago, bioprof said:

Same thing was happening to me…made it impossible to follow the forums. But I changed my browser ( for Primetimer ) to Opera and problem solved. No pop ups…no videos. Amazing. I use Chrome for everything else.

I can use Chrome on my desktop with an ad blocker, but I have to use Firefox on my phone. The pop ups are still bad, but on Chrome, they were literally taking up more than half the page, leaving only about 3 lines of text visible. And forget trying to type a reply, sheesh.

[GenerationX]

18 hours ago, mojoween said:

Between last week and this week I guess they don’t sit around talking about how to spell their names, huh.

They should just read the names from the confessional captions.  They'd get more intel about who has advantages that way, too.

[SuburbanHangSuite]

Quite a few of you in the Live Chat Thread said exactly what I was thinking during this episode:  That Sol's superpowers must be patience and restraint because I swear I would've popped Rome in his face and smirked as I was removed off the island.   That aggressive shadowing had me heated.  

Before last night, I've never wanted Jeff to demean someone in a challenge performance.  After Rome, I don't think he let him hear it enough.  

I really wanted Rome gone but nothing funnier than watching a smug player lose the smirk and have to accept the inevitable.  Bye, Kishaun.

Only rooting for Sol at this point.   

[astrohip]

10 hours ago, Skooma said:

No, Rome really is that stupid and Genevieve just was content to play Nurse Nancy and hand him endless scalpels (puzzle pieces).  Why Rome didn't get off his lazy butt and spread the pieces out and look at them as a whole I will never know.  But apparently he was too important to do grunt work and stand up and help out.

We saw Sol asking him several times about switching out and Rome ignored him.

Against the rules. You have to leave the pieces in a pile on the table, you can't spread them out on the ground. Maybe you don't make a single tall pile like Genevieve. I'd need to go back and see how much space was on top of that table.

I was convinced it was Rome throwing the challenge, so he could get his enemies out. Maybe even Gen going along. But they would have showed us the confessional where they discussed it. Or maybe he did it on his own. Although he seems very competitive, perhaps too much to throw it. But dang he was bad.

[Skooma]

44 minutes ago, GenerationX said:

They should just read the names from the confessional captions.  They'd get more intel about who has advantages that way, too.

Huh?  Survivors don't see any video during the game nor are they close enough to overhear confessionals of other players.

1 minute ago, astrohip said:

Against the rules. You have to leave the pieces in a pile on the table, you can't spread them out on the ground. Maybe you don't make a single tall pile like Genevieve. I'd need to go back and see how much space was on top of that table.

I was convinced it was Rome throwing the challenge, so he could get his enemies out. Maybe even Gen going along. But they would have showed us the confessional where they discussed it. Or maybe he did it on his own. Although he seems very competitive, perhaps too much to throw it. But dang he was bad.

The other teams didn't have two tall stacks and go through the pieces one at a time.

[Arkay]

24 minutes ago, SuburbanHangSuite said:

Only rooting for Sol at this point

I’m rooting for Sol or Kyle.

That’s it. Don’t like anyone else at this point.

[meep.meep]

Rome is playing this like he's auditioning for House of Villains.  Although after watching multiple seasons where players hold onto their idols/advantages far too long, it is refreshing to see someone play them ASAP.

[mojoween]

Sue said she is not going to tell anyone about her Idol.  We’ll see about that.  Every year at least one player says that, and every year they blab.

[Chicago Redshirt]

I have a question for the Survivor Historians on the forums.

Peachy usually says "If you have an idol or an advantage, now would be the time to do so" immediately before reading the votes.

However, Rome played his Steal-A-Vote advantage before anybody had cast a vote and well before the time of Peachy's typical announcement.

Is that how the Steal-A-Vote typically goes down?

Because in some cases, it might make a difference. Like in this episode, Sol could see the way the wind was blowing and jump on the Kishan train. If the advantage was employed only after the votes were cast, the dynamic would be different.

I cannot remember specific examples of Steal-A-Vote being deployed but it seems to make more sense for the vote to be stolen after it was cast rather than before.

[Rodney]

5 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I have a question for the Survivor Historians on the forums.

Peachy usually says "If you have an idol or an advantage, now would be the time to do so" immediately before reading the votes.

However, Rome played his Steal-A-Vote advantage before anybody had cast a vote and well before the time of Peachy's typical announcement.

Is that how the Steal-A-Vote typically goes down?

Because in some cases, it might make a difference. Like in this episode, Sol could see the way the wind was blowing and jump on the Kishan train. If the advantage was employed only after the votes were cast, the dynamic would be different.

I cannot remember specific examples of Steal-A-Vote being deployed but it seems to make more sense for the vote to be stolen after it was cast rather than before.

In Cambodia/Second Chances, Stephen had to use his own Steal-a-Vote advantage before voting, as well.  So there's a precedent for it.

[bankerchick]

5 hours ago, DEL901 said:

I looked up Rome’s bio.  He is an eSports commentator.   That’s why he talks so darned much.  (And yes, eSports, not actual sports).  

What does this mean?  Does he do commentary on two dudes playing Madden Football or something?

[cdnalor]

1 hour ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I have a question for the Survivor Historians on the forums.

Peachy usually says "If you have an idol or an advantage, now would be the time to do so" immediately before reading the votes.

However, Rome played his Steal-A-Vote advantage before anybody had cast a vote and well before the time of Peachy's typical announcement.

Is that how the Steal-A-Vote typically goes down?

Because in some cases, it might make a difference. Like in this episode, Sol could see the way the wind was blowing and jump on the Kishan train. If the advantage was employed only after the votes were cast, the dynamic would be different.

I cannot remember specific examples of Steal-A-Vote being deployed but it seems to make more sense for the vote to be stolen after it was cast rather than before.

I think I remember someone reading the note on a previous season and it explained that it had to be played before the vote.  Anyway, how would one steal a vote after it was cast?  Theoretically the votes are anonymous so Jeff wouldn't know which one to cancel.

[Samwise979]

As a first time Survivor watcher (I know, crazy) and a long time Big Brother watcher (I know, crazy), I was:

a. Was finding the show a bit boring since I had no idea what was going on (rules etc)

b. Watched the whole episode with skepticism being used to false blind side edits over on BB.

So, colour me surprised during that tribal council!! 😯😯😯 I was like, ooooh this is exciting! I think I'm going to stick with this!

[Skooma]

5 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I have a question for the Survivor Historians on the forums.

Peachy usually says "If you have an idol or an advantage, now would be the time to do so" immediately before reading the votes.

However, Rome played his Steal-A-Vote advantage before anybody had cast a vote and well before the time ...

I am no historian and don't even know who won last year. 

But yeah Steal A Vote HAS to be played before they vote because how else do you prevent the other person from voting and you getting two votes.

That I do remember but even if I didn't it is just plain common sense.  It is about who gets to vote and how many times after all.  You cannot do that AFTER voting.

[30 Helens]

19 hours ago, Skooma said:

What wasn't mentioned is that if nobody volunteered to give up their vote ALL THREE would lose their vote at the first tribal council each went to.  So Teeny would have lost her vote anyway. 

At least this way she got a third of an immunity idol.  And, of course, if the other two get voted out first before it is used, she has a full immunity idol all to herself.

I can see how this would be pretty tempting, especially for someone like Teeny who was pretty sure she was not being targeted, but I'm not sure I would WANT that 1/3 idol. This only gives the other two people incentive to get rid of you. An idol that you can't fully control is not really an idol. It's a communal time bomb.

19 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

Sol, here's some advice from a lifelong high school teacher who has dealt with numerous Romes...just ignore him-don't engage with him.  That will frustrate him more than any other action as he is desperate for the attention and as as to feel as if he is in control.  The arguing back with him only feeds into the attention and control he wants.

In general terms, I completely agree. But in this case, I thought Sol showed remarkable restraint. No matter how many buttons Rome pushed (and he was pushing HARD), Sol kept his cool. When Rome was getting in his space during that walk, Sol calmly asked him to stop. 

As angry as I was getting on Sol's behalf WHILE SITTING ON MY SOFA, I was very impressed that he managed to keep his temper. Especially in what is already a very stressful environment.  I'm honestly not sure I could have done the same. (Who am I kidding. There's no way I would have. I'm generally a peaceful person, but there are limits.)

14 hours ago, fishcakes said:

I read Kyle and Gabe's reaction to Sue saying she's 45, not as them believing her, but as them humoring her. Their faces, to me, were saying, "okay, sure, 45. Good for you. That's great. So so very great and believable."

I think you're right, but I also agree with the poster who noted that for most people in their twenties, anyone over 40 gets put into the same bucket of "Old". So I don't think the number really matters to them, 45 or 65, she would be devalued either way.

As to your comments about aging naturally, I totally agree. Although I'm not sure the fillers and the botox were Sue's biggest mistake. I think it's more of a sun issue. DAILY SPF50, PEOPLE! You can thank me later.

 

[Chicago Redshirt]

TPTB know which votes are for whom cast by whom. So it would be simple if the Steal-A-Vote were played at the traditional time idols and advantages are played to then let the thief cast their second vote, then have Jeff say "I'm going to re-tally the votes," take out the stolen player's vote and then announce the new set of votes.

It might be a little messier. 

Having things structured as they were in this night's episode gives voters extra information about how they might want to vote. In this instance, Sol went with the majority knowing it was more or less bulletproof. It doesn't seem like it would have mattered here, but in some cases, people voting without the information about the SAV being deployed would change their play patterns. It would also be more dramatic I think for a Kishan to have cast his vote for Rome and THEN learn that his vote was being stolen.

[Gummo]

Finally, an interesting episode.

Agree with everyone who said if they were Sol, they'd sacrifice their shot at the million to pound Rome into paste, that bullying little pisher. "Ya know what?" POW POW POW "I don't need the money as much as I need THIS!" POW POW POW POW Then I imagine Sol calmly walking down to the shore and waiting for his exit boat.

Ah well, a boy can dream.

Very satisfying, though, to see Genevieve emerge from the shadows. Cockiness is almost always a death knell in this game and tonight was no exception, Kishan. I hate that she's working closely with Rome, but I can't blame her, right now it's working for her. She may come to regret it, though, and soon. 

Sue's beware advantage may have been the best one yet: simple, daunting, hilarious. When that red paint exploded everywhere, I howled. She might as well have just left the mess and admitted her idol to her team, since her cleanup efforts were less than stellar. In her defense, she didn't have a mirror handy to see the red smeared all over her.

For the first time in a very long time, I have to commend the editors: The ping-pong pre-TC maneuvering was actually clear and compelling - we got to watch the target switch from Sol to Rome to Genevieve to Kishan. So that's 4 targets out of 5 people. Eeps.

I feel like this season, even more than most, is kinda treading water until the merge. Hopefully, then is when we'll see some real action (cross fingers, eternally hopeful no matter how often this show lets me down).

[watch2much]

count me among those who were begging for a Rome eviction. Not only for how he spoke to Sol but his pathetic puzzle making skills. 

[fishcakes]

After seeing this episode, I feel like evicting Rome is a moral issue.

[Gummo]

11 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

After seeing this episode, I feel like evicting Rome is a moral issue

Don't go there - Survivor will just break your heart.

[Skooma]

5 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

TPTB know which votes are for whom cast by whom. So it would be simple if the Steal-A-Vote were played at the traditional time idols and advantages are played to then let the thief cast their second vote, then have Jeff say "I'm going to re-tally the votes," take out the stolen player's vote and then announce the new set of votes.

It might be a little messier. 

Having things structured as they were in this night's episode gives voters extra information about how they might want to vote. In this instance, Sol went with the majority knowing it was more or less bulletproof. It doesn't seem like it would have mattered here, but in some cases, people voting without the information about the SAV being deployed would change their play patterns. It would also be more dramatic I think for a Kishan to have cast his vote for Rome and THEN learn that his vote was being stolen.

It is STEAL a vote.  You steal it from the player on the spot.  Mano a mano.  It makes no sense for production to do "stuff" after the vote was already cast. 

Besides they WANT it to cause chaos before the voting starts.  They want to get a reaction from the victim on the spot and cause scrambling among the other voters.  Defeats the whole purpose and ruins the drama if production does the manipulation after the fact, yawn.

And again they have done it this way before voting since the beginning of steal a vote and it has worked fine.  Why change something that works.

[bankerchick]

I understand the show wants conflict.  I understand that it's 'great tv' to show two or more players at odds with one another.  I understand the powers that be feel they need to stay out of the way and let everything unfold naturally.  And of course I understand that players shouldn't be allowed to physically attack each other.

What I don't understand is TPTB allowing a player to come within inches of another player, be asked to please leave the player alone and then refuse to do so, saying 'no, I don't have to.'  Why doesn't he have to?  Refusing to leave someone alone and getting in their personal space in a threatening manner is every bit as disrespectful as pushing someone, yet why do I think someone would have stepped in if Sol had indeed pushed Rome out of his space, possibly even removing Sol from the game?

[rr2911]

2 hours ago, bankerchick said:

I understand the show wants conflict.  I understand that it's 'great tv' to show two or more players at odds with one another.  I understand the powers that be feel they need to stay out of the way and let everything unfold naturally.  And of course I understand that players shouldn't be allowed to physically attack each other.

What I don't understand is TPTB allowing a player to come within inches of another player, be asked to please leave the player alone and then refuse to do so, saying 'no, I don't have to.'  Why doesn't he have to?  Refusing to leave someone alone and getting in their personal space in a threatening manner is every bit as disrespectful as pushing someone, yet why do I think someone would have stepped in if Sol had indeed pushed Rome out of his space, possibly even removing Sol from the game?

I was thinking the same thing!  I think Survivor was wrong in allowing Rome to do whatever he wanted.  I would've been kicked off the show for sure!  I would've laid my hands on Rome and moved him away!

I sure hope Sol's priority is to convince the others that Rome should go!

[seacliffsal]

2 hours ago, bankerchick said:

I understand the show wants conflict.  I understand that it's 'great tv' to show two or more players at odds with one another.  I understand the powers that be feel they need to stay out of the way and let everything unfold naturally.  And of course I understand that players shouldn't be allowed to physically attack each other.

What I don't understand is TPTB allowing a player to come within inches of another player, be asked to please leave the player alone and then refuse to do so, saying 'no, I don't have to.'  Why doesn't he have to?  Refusing to leave someone alone and getting in their personal space in a threatening manner is every bit as disrespectful as pushing someone, yet why do I think someone would have stepped in if Sol had indeed pushed Rome out of his space, possibly even removing Sol from the game?

Wasn't there a player a few seasons back who got kicked off for not leaving another female player's personal space (Dan?)?  If so, it shouldn't matter if it's male/female or male/male or female/female.  How close to physically touching someone is allowed?  Rome was, IMO, uncomfortably physically close to Sol.  And not leaving someone alone with using whatever the bathroom facilities are?  What if a male stated he would not leave a female alone if she was going to relieve herself?  Would it be allowed?

Anyway, Sol has my total respect for not losing control with not only Rome's physical closeness but also his threat, er, ultimatum, er threat...

On a different note, Jeff's not getting it.  People have complained about the lack of new challenges, so he excitedly told the contestants that there was a BRAND NEW...puzzle for them to solve at the end of the obstacle carnival game.  No, Jeff, it's not a BRAND NEW puzzle that we want, it's a brand new challenge-not a mismash of previous challenges with a different puzzle at the end.  Although, I did think the seahorse puzzle last episode was really pretty...

[fishcakes]

29 minutes ago, seacliffsal said:

Wasn't there a player a few seasons back who got kicked off for not leaving another female player's personal space (Dan?)?

Sort of. In Island of the Idols, there were three women complaining about Dan Spilo touching them, in some cases overtly sexually, but only Kellee directly told Dan to stop (he didn't) and was willing to go on the record with the producers about it. He got one warning from the producers and then actually grabbed a fourth woman at the following TC to demonstrate how "innocent" it was, but still nothing happened to him. After that, he groped the thigh of a woman crew member -- which he claims was inadvertent -- and only then was he removed from the game. Just badly handled from beginning to end.

[SweetSable]

On 10/9/2024 at 11:09 PM, KeithJ said:

I just can’t see how they did so bad at that puzzle.  Not a single piece?  I was actually thinking Genevieve and Rome were actually trying to throw it.

I thought they were trying to throw it as well, but I suppose we would have heard some chat between Rome/Genevieve if that was happening.  

[SweetSable]

On 10/10/2024 at 9:29 AM, bunnyface said:

I'm glad Rome never traded out on the puzzle because if he had, when the lost, he would 110% shift the blame to Sol.  "I had it going, but he took over and lost."  So at least the blame stayed squarely with him.

 

I don't think Sol could have taken over.  Rome and Genevieve were the ones doing the puzzle - Rome could only have traded out with Genevieve.  

[seacliffsal]

2 hours ago, fishcakes said:

Sort of. In Island of the Idols, there were three women complaining about Dan Spilo touching them, in some cases overtly sexually, but only Kellee directly told Dan to stop (he didn't) and was willing to go on the record with the producers about it. He got one warning from the producers and then actually grabbed a fourth woman at the following TC to demonstrate how "innocent" it was, but still nothing happened to him. After that, he groped the thigh of a woman crew member -- which he claims was inadvertent -- and only then was he removed from the game. Just badly handled from beginning to end.

Thanks for clarifying and explaining the incidents.  I just couldn't remember (obviously...).  I get wanting to not interfere, but the producers have a huge responsibility to ensure the safety of players (even if they sign everything away in the contracts).  Especially now as it seems that they are recruiting/casting more and more players that may have issues not discovered during the vetting process, or the issues don't seem as extreme as they become once on the island. IMO.

[JudyObscure]

22 hours ago, Samwise979 said:

As a first time Survivor watcher (I know, crazy) and a long time Big Brother watcher (I know, crazy), I was:

a. Was finding the show a bit boring since I had no idea what was going on (rules etc)

b. Watched the whole episode with skepticism being used to false blind side edits over on BB.

So, colour me surprised during that tribal council!! 😯😯😯 I was like, ooooh this is exciting! I think I'm going to stick with this!

Tribal Councils usually are pretty exciting and unlike Big Brother, once someone's torch is snuffed they are truly gone.  Julie Chen won't show up next week announcing a twist where one of the ousted players gets to come back after a challenge of who can name all the bones in the body.

 

[Rodney]

3 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

Tribal Councils usually are pretty exciting and unlike Big Brother, once someone's torch is snuffed they are truly gone.  Julie Chen won't show up next week announcing a twist where one of the ousted players gets to come back after a challenge of who can name all the bones in the body.

To be fair, that hasn't been happening on BB, either, for the last five seasons (mostly thanks to COVID risks).

[HappyDancex2]

Sol is a better human than me. Rome worked my last nerve and then threw it in a blender.  That menacing behavior from that twerp was the last straw.

[seacliffsal]

13 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

Tribal Councils usually are pretty exciting and unlike Big Brother, once someone's torch is snuffed they are truly gone.  Julie Chen won't show up next week announcing a twist where one of the ousted players gets to come back after a challenge of who can name all the bones in the body.

 

Unless, of course, it's a Redemption Island season or those other seasons when all the eliminated players had to go to an island and try to win their way back in (and the winner in one of those seasons was a guy who 'sat' out almost the entire season on that island...).  Otherwise, yeah, pretty much they're gone...

[Gummo]

17 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

Especially now as it seems that they are recruiting/casting more and more players that may have issues not discovered during the vetting process,

I've seen this sentiment expressed more than once, and I admit I don't understand it - the vetting is worse now than the vetting that allowed two psychopathic Hantzes to ruin our show for several seasons? 

I mean, one was a true sadist who sabotaged his own team not for any gameplay but just to enjoy their misery. The other was a godbothering woman-hater who literally lost his mind on camera.

Compare to those seasons, current casts are shining advertisements for good mental health.

[BigRedCheese]

I didn't like Rome's behavior toward Sol either, but it seems like a variation on Boston Rob's strategy, he wouldn't allow anyone to be out of sight either, and didn't allow any game conversations between anyone. I guess he didn't stick as close, but only because he didn't have to, he had his little harem doing his bidding as well. I hated that too.

[iMonrey]

1 hour ago, Gummo said:

Compare to those seasons, current casts are shining advertisements for good mental health.

I think it's pretty much apples to oranges. Throughout the history of this show it's obvious they deliberately cast people they know in advance will bring the drama one way or another. So every single season we start seeing posts asking "How did this person make it past the psych evaluation?" As if they're trying to keep crazy people out.

[SummerDreams]

10 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

As if they're trying to keep crazy people out.

I don't think cracking over being on an island without food and at the same time playing a game for that much money is something that suggests craziness. There are things in real life that freak us out, like seeing a cockroach or having our car run out of gas or something. This doesn't make us crazy, just human beings.

[MNDancemom]

I agree with most everyone...That Twit Rome was a complete jerk, preventing Sol from going anywhere out of his site lines. The restraint Sol showed was remarkable. I also enjoyed how Sol refused to be intimidated or to make an agreement with Rome. People that bully, or manipulate are used to getting what they want, and Sol refused to play.

Rome reminds me of Duckie from Pretty in Pink....with that toothy mouth, and the way he speaks, acts a bit manic at times. 

I thought we'd see more from Sue and the red paint. It happened and then you never saw that tribe again. LOL....it reminded me of the ink they used to have when people pulled the fire alarm in school. 

Does anyone know why they stopped allowing us to see footage from the Ponderosa's now. I know they haven't gotten to the jury yet, but they haven't had Ponderosa footage in a few seasons now. 

[dkb]

On 10/10/2024 at 12:07 AM, Rodney said:

I actually thought that Kishan had the potential to be a good player.  He had the right social charm to get the people he needed on his side, and he was putting together his own plan to oust Rome very well.  The problem was that he badly overestimated how passive Genevieve would be at being named the decoy target.  He thought that she'd be okay with it.  (Granted, I would've thought that, too.  I don't think that anyone would've expected her to take it that badly to be named as the backup target.)  He didn't expect her to be such an active player, or for her to get her own case of Big Move-itis.

And he certainly had no way of knowing that she'd channel that Big Move-itis into targeting him.

But yeah, Kishan showed that he did have a nose for strategy and thus a lot of potential to do really well in the game.  So I wouldn't mind him coming back on a season that might allow early-ousted castaways who had potential, but just got sniped for one reason or another.  

He should have told Genevieve before that he was going to try to get Rome out and would say her name as decoy. Or say Teeny's name.

She said something to Teeny along the lines of, "I was just sitting here and this plan came to me without any input/discussion with me." I knew then that Kishan was gone.

Kishan just needed to talk to her first or wait till Teeny came back to have a 3 person discussion with Teeny and Genevieve.

I also agree that Sol has more patience than I could ever have, cause I would have screamed in Rome's face.

The office look to the camera Teeny did after Rome and Sol had their fight was hilarious.

From watching all these years of Survivor Rome is the type of player you vote out the FIRST chance you get Genevieve!

I hope Sierra sees that Andy is not trustworthy at all and his first loyalty is to Sam only.

Sue, for all the time you had to clean up that was the best you could do? Also Caroline and Tiyana please tell me you realized it was idol/advantage related, and not just Sue being a "danger" to herself.

Sue kills me with her vendetta against Kyle. He wasn't in your alliance Sue, he had every right to write your name down - he's actually trying to work with you and you shutting him down makes him more likely to write your name again - and Gabe is totally playing you.

Do we think Rome would be less obnoxious now that he has no advantages? Or riding high on a blindside that he didn’t even initiate.

I thought this was a good episode overall, and I enjoy Anika and Rachel over on Gata just killing it with the puzzles.

I jinxed the red tribe by saying how well they did in challenges in the 1st two episodes, oopsies. 

Will be interesting how Teeny reacts and carries on now with their number one gone. I can't tell if their getting a winners edit and this is their adversity story. I called last seasons winner in the 2nd episode. 🤔

 

Edited October 13 by dkb

[HappyDancex2]

I’m impressed with sue on 2 fronts.  That red paint splatter was a heinous crime scene.  Production gave her 2 hours to clean that up with no interference lol.  How she got the paint off the actual clue is beyond me!  Plus the area around the water hole also had to be pink and splattered.

Second how she managed to gibberish her way into not having those girls at the water hole actually come around and inspect or touch her was the real miracle.  Sorry but my nature would just be to assist if I saw someone with blood on them from any type of wound, machete or not.  Up close the paint would be noticed.  I know Sue gives off the looney vibes to some extent but that was masterful.

[surfgirl]

Welp, I would currently be in a Fijian prison if I was on this season because I would have beat the living shit out of Rome, then gone down to the beach and quietly waited for the Fijian Police to arrive. It actually angers me greatly that production didn't pull Rome for bullying and menacing behavior towards Sol because that little shithead was waaaay over the line.

[Diana Berry]

Andy and his beautiful teeth live to see another day 

[iMonrey]

23 hours ago, SummerDreams said:

I don't think cracking over being on an island without food and at the same time playing a game for that much money is something that suggests craziness. There are things in real life that freak us out, like seeing a cockroach or having our car run out of gas or something. This doesn't make us crazy, just human beings.

I didn't mean it literally. The show wants drama. They aren't looking for boring people. They are looking for people they know will stir shit up. If someone seems a little over the top during the casting process that's not going to work against them. My point stands. There is always someone that makes viewers ask how they passed the psych eval. Always.

20 hours ago, MNDancemom said:

Does anyone know why they stopped allowing us to see footage from the Ponderosa's now. I know they haven't gotten to the jury yet, but they haven't had Ponderosa footage in a few seasons now. 

Jon Lovett said he was in a hotel after he was voted out, and so was everyone else. I don't think they want to go to the trouble and expense of having a "Ponderosa" set and a camera crew setup anymore. Not part of the "new era." 

[surfgirl]

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

Jon Lovett said he was in a hotel after he was voted out, and so was everyone else. I don't think they want to go to the trouble and expense of having a "Ponderosa" set and a camera crew setup anymore. Not part of the "new era." 

I feel like perhaps this alleged NEW Era should be retitled the 'We were told to cut back a lot or get canceled' era. This show went downhill when they shortened it substantially. 

[Arkay]

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

Jon Lovett said he was in a hotel after he was voted out, and so was everyone else. I don't think they want to go to the trouble and expense of having a "Ponderosa" set and a camera crew setup anymore. Not part of the "new era." 

I know new era is supposed to show how hardcore the show is now, but I miss Ponderosa.

I enjoyed all the gasping at themselves in the mirror, them exclaiming over how many pounds they’d lost, their ecstasy at the food and bed and shower.

Everyone there was out of the game except for those who’d be on the jury, and I also liked when they discussed why they’d made certain moves, etc.

But we can’t have nice things anymore. 

Edited October 13 by Arkay

[SummerDreams]

26 days is indeed very little time for the winner to be considered a survivor. But since people are watching even this new era having cut these days and of course a lot of money, they have no reason to go back to 39 days.

Edited October 13 by SummerDreams

[choclatechip45]

Team Sol! Rome is a jerk!

[Fostersmom]

On 10/10/2024 at 12:38 AM, Chalby said:

I was mweh about Kishan, but i have to admit when Kishan agreed and encouraged Rome's plan to demand Sol’s shot in the dark, I didn't like either of their personas. They've been choosing aggression, and intrusive proximity to harass & demand specific behaviour. Are they more interested in being seen as villains, or do they actually want to play the game? This group is hard to pin down.

I just don't get how stupid the rest of the tribe must be to not see how this loyalty to Rome will backfire on them. What was the plan going to be be if they HAD voted out Sol and then lost the next challenge. All his targets would have been gone, so which one was going to sacrifice themselves to Rome? 

[millennium]

On 10/11/2024 at 12:07 PM, bankerchick said:

What I don't understand is TPTB allowing a player to come within inches of another player, be asked to please leave the player alone and then refuse to do so, saying 'no, I don't have to.'  Why doesn't he have to?  Refusing to leave someone alone and getting in their personal space in a threatening manner is every bit as disrespectful as pushing someone, yet why do I think someone would have stepped in if Sol had indeed pushed Rome out of his space, possibly even removing Sol from the game?

I wonder, would it have been allowed if Rome's victim hadn't been Sol, but a woman?   It would have gotten very creepy and threatening very fast, with the woman telling Rome to get away from her and Rome pressing closer and insisting, "I don't have to, this is Survivor."

I'd bet money Rome would have been removed from the game in that situation.  IMO, he should have been removed in this situation.

You have to wonder where this will go, as new players seem to pick up and incorporate tricks from recent seasons after seeing what is permitted.   It probably won't be long before we see players actively goading other players in the hope that they'll lose control and take a swing.

In the good old days of The Challenge, that strategy was attempted regularly.

It baffles me that Rome turned in the absolute worst immunity challenge performance I have ever seen and there was ZERO consideration (at least on camera) of getting rid of him for that reason.   They're all idiots.