S19.E03: Am I My Brother’s Keeper?

[Natalie68]

On 9/30/2024 at 8:31 AM, Chalby said:

What is this shlock being forced upon us? It's like they've taken highlights over the last 6 years and tried to use that footage to explain their present dynamic. Yet NOTHING is being shown that's relatively current. In the talking heads, Christine isn't even married. WTF?

Right?!  I am really tired of them being YEARS behind.  We know 90% of what they are showing. I was watching one of the sister wives youtubers last night and I decided I won't be watching the show until they are caught up and current.  TLC is barely phoning it in and I am not here for it (I mean, I am HERE, just not watching their shlock).

OT: It is like another one of their other shows (90 day).  This season feels really exploitative between Faith, Chiddi, and others hooked to really insane or icky Americans. I have quit that one as well.  

[Natalie68]

15 hours ago, 65mickey said:

I think you are correct about this scene not being filmed in the fall of 2022. Last season we saw Ari and Sol filmed during Christmas 2021. Ari was 5 and  running around with a pacifier in her mouth. I was taken aback when I saw her supposedly one year later age 6 at the family game night. No way this kid was 6. She looked closer to 8. Just saw Sol from the back but he also appears to have grown a lot and did not look like an 8 year old. It will be interesting to see if Ari and Sol appear to be aging backward in subsequent episodes. It's more noticeable with the kids when they play around with the time line than it is with the adults. 

I would not be surprised if this family game night was Kody's idea. He wanted to show everyone that they are the perfect loving family sitting on the floor and playing games. 

I think that was the 1st and only time the family had game night.  On the floor jammed in a corner, not in comfy clothes, looked nothing like an organic family fun time.  We know it was fake because he wasn't on his phone :).

[65mickey]

3 hours ago, Dibs said:

According to Google, she was born in January 2016.

Yes Ari was born in 2016. So if this scene was filmed in 2022 she would have been 6. There is no way that Ari in the family game night scene was 6. I believe that this scene was filmed sometime this year and she was already 8. Maybe Kody didn't think the kids would be paid by TLC if they were not filmed for this episode so they added it in. Otherwise I can't understand why the bulk of the episode was filmed in 2022 prior to the twins being born and Christine even dating David and then adding in a much more current  scene of K&R and their kids. TLC. does strange things with the time line of this show. Last season the episodes were not shown in order from the oldest to the most current. 

[islandgal140]

17 hours ago, Meow Mix said:

I'm glad he and Michelle got the wedding they wanted. I wonder if the producers were mad about it, though.

I tend to think neither Robyn nor Kody were happy about that either.  Might have even been one the reasons Kody was contemplating not going. Wasn't Robyn the one that wanted one of the young adult's 'coming out' as queer/bi filmed? These events bring dollar signs to this duos eyes. This gives her more 'grocery money' to sock away for fancy vacays and so-called art. 

Edited October 1 by islandgal140

[islandgal140]

17 hours ago, Meow Mix said:

I thought it was nice of Janelle to defend Mykelti, but I think we all know Robyn's motives were less than pure in befriending her.

Every time I hear about Mykelti getting close to Robyn at such a difficult time in her life, I always think about those scary movies where a demonic entity is trying to possess someone and they always go for the one that is the most emotionally damaged or vulnerable.  Yup, Robyn is Annabelle from The Conjuring. 

[laurakaye]

47 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I think that was the 1st and only time the family had game night.  On the floor jammed in a corner, not in comfy clothes, looked nothing like an organic family fun time.  

Good points - they were probably jammed into a corner like that because it was the only way Robyn would allow filming inside of her hoarder's mansion.  And ditto on the clothes - what is with Robyn's penchant for the patterned polyester blouse and dark pants combo, topped with a clashing cardigan?  She never looks comfortable in her clothes.

And what the heck was Kody measuring out there on Coyote Pass?  It certainly couldn't have been lots for houses because even he must've known that no one was going to be building out there on that non-paid for land, including himself.  I think it was just an excuse for him to don his favorite visor and work gloves ensemble.

Also, Kody - telling us that Ariabelliola said that she hated Christine because Christine "left her daddy" is not the loyalty flex you think it is.  If true, it's the disturbing musings of a child who has either been coached on what to say by her mother, or has been present when you and Robyn are verbally destroying anyone who doesn't conform to your imaginary patriarchy.  Either way, it's far more disturbing than anything else.

[ginger90]

For clarity, a more recent post from Michelle.

“We told the family we preferred the wedding not to be mentioned on the show at all….”

The disrespect is real all around on this one. Using “event” doesn’t reflect what they asked of the family.

[Denize]

16 hours ago, 65mickey said:

I would not be surprised if this family game night was Kody's idea. He wanted to show everyone that they are the perfect loving family sitting on the floor and playing games. 

And the camera shots were quite tight, so they only had to clean and declutter a 15'x15' area

[LilyD]

2 hours ago, 65mickey said:

I believe that this scene was filmed sometime this year and she was already 8. Maybe Kody didn't think the kids would be paid by TLC if they were not filmed for this episode so they added it in. Otherwise I can't understand why the bulk of the episode was filmed in 2022

Just a thought: Could it have been some miserable attempt at damage control?  The KR family hasn’t been depicted in favorable light recently. Maybe they were trying to include some “fun and warm” family time on hindsight? Just to show they aren’t that angry and negative bunch we usually see?

[ragingpixie]

3 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I think that was the 1st and only time the family had game night.  On the floor jammed in a corner, not in comfy clothes

THIS. The first thought I had upon viewing this charade was "omg who sits around in jeans where are your leggings for god's sake also I hate all of you people."

[Irate Panda]

6 minutes ago, LilyD said:

Just a thought: Could it have been some miserable attempt at damage control?  The KR family hasn’t been depicted in favorable light recently. Maybe they were trying to include some “fun and warm” family time on hindsight? Just to show they aren’t that angry and negative bunch we usually see?

This sounds right.  Plus, Kody and Robyn probably need more materials since nobody outside their house besides maybe Mykelti/Tony seem to interact with them.  Even though they repeat scenes a billion times we can only hear Robyn and Kody talking about everybody else being “unsafe” so many times and though it’s probably naive on my part I hope they do have some warm fun times…well I mean the kids in that house.  It seems like Kody and Robyn probably jabber about their problems all the time and Kodys locked in the closet doing cameos.  I’m not sure what Robyn does besides shop and sleep, but I wonder if they ever let people come over.  I only asked since it seemed like that was the first time in years they let production film in the house.

Side note, how can you be on a reality show and they don’t film at your house? I know they have that “ living room” set for interviews, were Kody and Robyn using Covid as the reason production couldn’t come in the house until this episode?

[LotusFlower]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

For clarity, a more recent post from Michelle.

“We told the family we preferred the wedding not to be mentioned on the show at all….”

The disrespect is real all around on this one. Using “event” doesn’t reflect what they asked of the family.

Wow.  No wonder they used terms like “the bride and groom” and “event.”  I was so thrown by that, I just assumed it was a wedding of a family friend.  But regardless, the gall of them all to discuss it when they were asked to not mention it at all.  I don’t expect Kody to respect anyone’s wishes, but the others?  Janelle?!  Were they pressured by the producers?

 

[Chalby]

4 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Otherwise I can't understand why the bulk of the episode was filmed in 2022 prior to the twins being born and Christine even dating David and then adding in a much more current  scene of K&R and their kids.

For some reason I recall reading that in order to have another season, TLC agreed to let Kody et el have a say in what's being filmed.

If that IS the case, this episode clearly represents all the nonsense in Kody's head. One minute it's every current complaint, next minute it's about Robyn's past when she was "needed" for the birth of twins. Then it's back to the current "family game on the floor night". SMH

This has kody all over it.

[LotusFlower]

9 hours ago, laurakaye said:

Also, I am disappointed in Janelle for taking video of herself before and after her son's wedding, discussing how awkward it was going to be, etc.  Geez, woman - just allow yourself to have this one day of joy, untainted by whatever stupid nonsense is going on between you and the village idiot.  I'm sure TLC didn't insist on self-shot footage when you were an hour away from walking down the aisle on your son's arm, FFS.

I agree.  From Kody I expect nothing less.  But Janelle?

But I think I disagree with your last point.  The wives love the show - the money, the fame, the lifestyle it affords, etc… - just as much as Kody.  Ok, maybe not at that level, but close!  And they are just as culpable as Kody re: exploiting their family for the sake of the show.  I think the producers asked Janelle (and maybe everyone) to film something.  Not the wedding itself, but their thoughts, impressions, anything.  And Janelle complied!  Why?  For the show!  She’s just as invested as everyone else in this shit show continuing.  

[BAForever]

Still haven't watched, but saw a clip of Game Night at Robyn's. Arieobella looks so much like her dad it's scary. I think she's his only girl who resembles him. I feel for all of Robyn's kids, even the sourpuss older girls. This show and Robyn have emotionally stunted all of them. 

[Teafortwo]

10 hours ago, Denize said:

And the camera shots were quite tight, so they only had to clean and declutter a 15'x15' area

Probably to keep the "art" out of view too (I don't find those paintings aesthetically appealing - they're just not to my taste).

[laurakaye]

18 hours ago, LilyD said:

Just a thought: Could it have been some miserable attempt at damage control?  The KR family hasn’t been depicted in favorable light recently. Maybe they were trying to include some “fun and warm” family time on hindsight? Just to show they aren’t that angry and negative bunch we usually see?

The problem is that we are shown a likely staged Family Fun Night, followed by interviews with a raging angry Kody and a "situationally depressed" Robyn.  I paid close attention to Robyn's demeanor during the game segment, and I thought she was making extra double sure that we all saw how her heart wasn't in it because she was so sad about the demise of the extended family.  She could actually be very depressed and then her demeanor would've made sense, but this segment was filmed to show the viewers that Kody and Robyn supposedly enjoy each other's company immensely, and as Kody tells us, his house is full of joy and music (paraphrasing).  So then why was Robyn looking so despondent?  Did they get their stories crossed again?

 

17 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

Wow.  No wonder they used terms like “the bride and groom” and “event.”  I was so thrown by that, I just assumed it was a wedding of a family friend.  But regardless, the gall of them all to discuss it when they were asked to not mention it at all.  I don’t expect Kody to respect anyone’s wishes, but the others?  Janelle?!  Were they pressured by the producers?

I don't know if Logan watches this show (I certainly hope not), but if he or Michelle did see this episode, I wonder how they felt when the groom's mother took time out of that very special day to self-shoot footage of herself before and after the event.  I would be very hurt.  I agree with @LotusFlower that Janelle is cool with continuing to film (probably for the income) because why on earth would she want to taint Logan's wedding with her takes on why her family is such a mess?  Shouldn't that one day have been somewhat sacred?  Like, don't mix the wedding with drama like "I don't know if I should talk to Kody, or what we're going to do or say, blah blah."  It's insulting to Logan and Michelle, IMO.

 

 

[GeorgiaRai]

I think family game night was a case of "some people trying to look like they're having more fun." 

[Pickleinthemiddle]

9 minutes ago, GeorgiaRai said:

I think family game night was a case of "some people trying to look like they're having more fun." 

Which is sad.  Because that is something that Janelle and Christine's families did/do often.  I would imagine when money is an issue, you play a lot of card or board games.  Then it is something you continue when money is not an issue.  My daughter sometimes goes to visit with her friends and they meet up to play games often for about 8 hours.

[AZChristian]

28 minutes ago, GeorgiaRai said:

I think family game night was a case of "some people trying to look like they're having more fun." 

It was strange that they seemed crammed into that one little section on the floor. Do they not have a table where they can sit and play games? And all I really noticed was the corner table behind them covered with crap, looking like they forgot to clean it before the filming.

[smarty]

If Ari feels free to say to Kody that she she doesn't like Christine, what do you suppose Ari says to Truely if she gets upset when Truely's visiting?  Truely's probably gotten an earfull.

[Gramto6]

1 hour ago, smarty said:

If Ari feels free to say to Kody that she she doesn't like Christine, what do you suppose Ari says to Truely if she gets upset when Truely's visiting?  Truely's probably gotten an earfull.

That's of course assuming that Truely is even allowed to "visit" there.

[RoxiP]

I would hope that Janelle's grown children understand that Janelle needs the show to continue until she can hopefully re-establish herself in a career where she can support herself.  They seem to love and respect her deeply and would not want her to have to struggle to support herself.  Unfortunately these kind of interviews are part of the price she has to pay to keep that money train flowing.

[Meow Mix]

On 10/1/2024 at 1:58 PM, ginger90 said:

For clarity, a more recent post from Michelle.

“We told the family we preferred the wedding not to be mentioned on the show at all….”

The disrespect is real all around on this one. Using “event” doesn’t reflect what they asked of the family.

And she went further to talk about how long the segment was.  I understand Kody being so disrespectful because that's him, but I am really disappointed in Janelle for her weepy self-filmed stuff.  Poor Logan who was parentified and can't even have parents who act like adults on his wedding day.

[Not Buyin It]

On 10/1/2024 at 7:02 PM, LotusFlower said:

I agree.  From Kody I expect nothing less.  But Janelle?

But I think I disagree with your last point.  The wives love the show - the money, the fame, the lifestyle it affords, etc… - just as much as Kody.  Ok, maybe not at that level, but close!  And they are just as culpable as Kody re: exploiting their family for the sake of the show.  I think the producers asked Janelle (and maybe everyone) to film something.  Not the wedding itself, but their thoughts, impressions, anything.  And Janelle complied!  Why?  For the show!  She’s just as invested as everyone else in this shit show continuing.  

AAAAAAAArgh! You said CULPABLE!

[Denize]

11 hours ago, GeorgiaRai said:

I think family game night was a case of "some people trying to look like they're having more fun." 

That's what Kody thought everyone at "the event" was doing to pretend that they were having more fun than him

[LotusFlower]

57 minutes ago, Not Buyin It said:

AAAAAAAArgh! You said CULPABLE!

??

[BAForever]

6 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

??

Culpable was one of Kody's new vocab words he used often one season. 

[laurakaye]

Despite what Kody imagines in his pea-brain, I doubt it was a case of people making sure that they were "having more fun" than they actually were just to spite him.  It was likely that people were trying to enjoy themselves while also purposefully having to ignore Kody glowering in the corner with his arms crossed while Robyn sat mournfully next to him and dabbed at non-existent tears.  

But it was also probably a delicate balance for a lot of wedding guests, which is a true shame.  How do you congratulate the father of the groom when he's pouting like a toddler and refusing to engage in the festivities?  It would only serve to make him even more conspicuous than if he did his usual crazed lunatic dance number in the middle of the reception venue.

Edited October 3 by laurakaye

[Granny58]

22 hours ago, laurakaye said:

So then why was Robyn looking so despondent? 

She has Resting Despondent Face. 

[Shelbie]

1 hour ago, laurakaye said:

Despite what Kody imagines in his pea-brain, I doubt it was a case of people making sure that they were "having more fun" than they actually were just to spite him.  It was likely that people were trying to enjoy themselves while also purposefully having to ignore Kody glowering in the corner with his arms crossed while Robyn sat mournfully next to him and dabbed at non-existent tears.  

But it was also probably a delicate balance for a lot of wedding guests, which is a true shame.  How do you congratulate the father of the groom when he's pouting like a toddler and refusing to engage in the festivities?  It would only serve to make him even more conspicuous than if he did his usual crazed lunatic dance number in the middle of the reception venue.

I really hope the guests were truly having fun in celebrating the bride and groom and collectively decided to treat Kody like a toddler having a tantrum and ignoring him as much as possible.
 

Kody being Kody was incensed at not being the centre of attention and because he wasn’t having fun decided everyone was lying and they weren’t enjoying themselves either. He is such an idiot.

[BAForever]

Still haven't watched- but love reading comments so I know what to pay attention to. If I were Logan or Michelle, I would be furious about the wedding appearing on the show after they asked for it not to be. Such a slap in the face and betrayal of their wishes. Shame on the family and TLC.

[Dibs]

On 10/2/2024 at 2:17 PM, RoxiP said:

I would hope that Janelle's grown children understand that Janelle needs the show to continue until she can hopefully re-establish herself in a career where she can support herself.  They seem to love and respect her deeply and would not want her to have to struggle to support herself.  Unfortunately these kind of interviews are part of the price she has to pay to keep that money train flowing.

I'm tired of hearing about how poor Janelle is.  Wasn't she always "the career woman"?  In one clip early on, it looked like she was walking around on the Utah Capitol grounds.  We know she was at least a state government employee.  The pay is decent, and the benefits are pretty amazing.  I have no doubt she worked there long enough to qualify for a nice pension, and health insurance is covered for life.  Additionally, she just bought a "farm" with one of her kids, so she must've had some cashola.  I think Janelle is financially fine despite the plot lines dreamed up by production.  In fact, I'm sure TLC has made every one of them quite wealthy.

Edited October 3 by Dibs

[Gramto6]

As I vaguely recall Janelle took her pension out when she left that govt. job and gave it to the "family" to buy the Lehi home. Someone correct me if I am wrong...old brain doesn't always remember these details.

[BAForever]

39 minutes ago, Dibs said:

I'm tired of hearing about how poor Janelle is.  Wasn't she always "the career woman"?  In one clip early on, it looked like she was walking around on the Utah Capitol grounds.  We know she was at least a state government employee.  The pay is decent, and the benefits are pretty amazing.  I have no doubt she worked there long enough to qualify for a nice pension, and health insurance is covered for life.  Additionally, she just bought a "farm" with one of her kids, so she must've had some cashola.  I think Janelle is financially fine despite the plot lines dreamed up by production.  In fact, I'm sure TLC has made every one of them quite wealthy.

Short memory here. I do not disagree with you @Dibs, but didn't Janelle cash out her retirement at some point, perhaps buying the LV homes? @ginger90 will know for sure, she knows everything about these grifters.

[Dibs]

On 10/1/2024 at 12:32 PM, General Days said:

Ariella isn't even nine years old today. See your own post below. She was born in 2016. That was only eight years ago.

Yes.  FIRST, I posted guessing at her age; THEN I posted after Googling it.

 

 

[Canadian Girl]

56 minutes ago, Dibs said:

I'm tired of hearing about how poor Janelle is.  Wasn't she always "the career woman"?  In one clip early on, it looked like she was walking around on the Utah Capitol grounds.  We know she was at least a state government employee.  The pay is decent, and the benefits are pretty amazing.  I have no doubt she worked there long enough to qualify for a nice pension, and health insurance is covered for life.  Additionally, she just bought a "farm" with one of her kids, so she must've had some cashola.  I think Janelle is financially fine despite the plot lines dreamed up by production.  In fact, I'm sure TLC has made every one of them quite wealthy.

"Career woman" is a stretch for the early days, she was just an office clerk. She just worked outside the home more consistently than the other wives. 

Her wealth is from the show and from being one of the top salespeople in the country for that MLM drink. 

 

 

[Dibs]

16 minutes ago, Canadian Girl said:

"Career woman" is a stretch for the early days, she was just an office clerk. She just worked outside the home more consistently than the other wives. 

Her wealth is from the show and from being one of the top salespeople in the country for that MLM drink. 

 

 

Where was she "just an office clerk"?  I was under the impression that she worked in finance.  I agree that Ginger will have all the facts here!

[Canadian Girl]

8 minutes ago, Dibs said:

Where was she "just an office clerk"?  I was under the impression that she worked in finance.  I agree that Ginger will have all the facts here!

She worked in payroll for the state of Utah. 

[Sasha888]

1 hour ago, Dibs said:

I have no doubt she worked there long enough to qualify for a nice pension, and health insurance is covered for life. 

I don't disagree with the general idea you were going for - Janelle is not poor and I'm tired of that storyline too.

However, the part I put in bold is almost certainly not true. I worked at a state gov't job - not Utah, but most states are going to be somewhat similar in their benefits. Lifelong healthcare insurance is almost certainly not a benefit, not just for Janelle, but for anyone. Health insurance premiums are taken out of state employees' paychecks, just like any job - it isn't "free", even for the people who work there. They definitely aren't offering it free, for life, to people who don't even work there anymore.

 

[mythoughtis]

Janelle took her retirement money out when they moved to LV.  None of them were working after they moved there.   Since she took herself out of the pension system, she wouldn’t be entitled to health care in the future from the state pension system. Regardless of premium amount.  I’m not even sure she would  have worked for the state long enough to qualify for a pension.  I believe only Savannah and Truely were born after they moved to Lehi.   
 

Janelle  was the person who originally purchased the Lehi home. I don’t know where she got the money for the down payment  though. 

Edited October 4 by mythoughtis

[CSunshine76]

On 9/30/2024 at 11:57 AM, islandgal140 said:

On a petty note, the OG3 kids not having fridge privileges at Robyn's house means she was neither a mom or family to them.  Who the hell can't go into their own bonus mom's fridge?!!? 

Seriously! My nieces know they can open my fridge and pantry and help themselves…and they do! WTF is that…those kids can’t partake in whatever crap food is in Robyn’s house?

[precious pupp]

No kidding!  My daughter's friends knew unless I told them that a certain food in the fridge was off limits, they could have whatever they wanted.  Stingy Robyn was obviously "saving her grocery money" for vacations with Kody, once again, taking him away from his responsibilities of being a father to 13 other children and husband to three other women.  What a selfish, horrible woman she is.

Edited October 4 by precious pupp
clarity

[Andyourlittledog2]

4 hours ago, Sasha888 said:

However, the part I put in bold is almost certainly not true. I worked at a state gov't job - not Utah, but most states are going to be somewhat similar in their benefits. Lifelong healthcare insurance is almost certainly not a benefit, not just for Janelle, but for anyone. Health insurance premiums are taken out of state employees' paychecks, just like any job - it isn't "free", even for the people who work there. They definitely aren't offering it free, for life, to people who don't even work there anymore.

States have widely varying benefits. I have no idea what Utah does but I worked for the state of California (as did my mother before me) and our pension once vested includes health care, vision care, dental care for our lifetime in retirement but depending on the particular insurance plan you choose the premium varies for each. Good plans, decently reasonable premiums. Our workforce is so large (due to the hugeness of the state involved) that the state can negotiate good rates. The idea is that benefits such as this compensate us for taking salaries while working that have traditionally been lower than private employers pay in the same fields. And of course as with all pensions they must be vested. But if Janelle drained her retirement then it was more of a savings plan and not a fixed benefit type so i don't know what those particulars might be. I would guess she does not have a similar lifetime plan if she drained her 'account' but I have no way of knowing for sure.

I don't care if Janelle is dirt poor or not, she is owed money for Coyote Pass and it is a dick move if Kody and Robyn try to worm their way out of giving her her fair and proper share. And we know Kody and Robyn so Janelle is right to be concerned.

 

[Sasha888]

32 minutes ago, Andyourlittledog2 said:

I don't care if Janelle is dirt poor or not, she is owed money for Coyote Pass and it is a dick move if Kody and Robyn try to worm their way out of giving her her fair and proper share.

I don't think anyone was trying to say Janelle isn't owed her share of Coyote Pass, or any other asset that might be owned by the family. I certainly wasn't.

Only that the show's storyline that she has nothing does not ring true.

[smarty]

Where Janelle fell behind the other wives was in real estate appreciation.  If they had stayed in Las Vegas, Janelle's Las Vegas house is now worth $900,000.  She would be sitting on over $500,000 in equity for her "estate" (as she likes to call it) since they bought the houses in LV for $400,000.  She has zero though, because she never got a house is Flagstaff.  Robyn's estate has the appreciation from the Flagstaff house (bought for $860K, trying to sell for $1,600,000).  Meri's estate has the appreciation on the BNB in Utah, which is probably nowhere near what Robyn's got in her house but better than nothing.  I think that's why Janelle appears to be the poorest, because she has no real estate assets.  But I bet she pulls in a lot for her MLM income.  

[MamaMax]

Janelle made the mistake of "loaning" her  Las Vegas house proceeds to Kody and Robyn to buy the McMansion, didn't she? As I understood it, she thought it was going to be temporary housing for part of the family, but a "family asset" in that and they would sell the McMansion eventually and use the money to build on coyote pass.  I think she got bamboozled. If she wanted to do that, she should have insisted her name be put on the deed.  

As far as retiree benefits, I doubt she worked there long enough to qualify.  She might have had money in a pension/retirement that she decided to take out but I don't think she was full vested, she was too young.  Most people I know in Govt jobs need to be in them at least 20-25-30 years to be fully vested 

[Absolom]

16 hours ago, Dibs said:

health insurance is covered for life

Saying it's "covered" for life is part of the issue.  Many of us have lifetime rights to the same health insurance we had while working, but it isn't "covered for life."  We still have to qualify and pay for it.  Call it vesting, retiring, or being retirement eligible, but there are always requirements that must be met to coninue insurance be it life, health, dental, disability, long term care, etc. into retirement and that includes paying for it.  It's more the right to access to the insurance than being "covered for life."  I had to have my health insurance for the last five years before retirement, be sure I checked the boxes on the retirement application, and of course make sure the health insurance premiums were put in as a deduction from the retirement pension.  It is a wonderful benefit though as it still covers everything it covered while I was working.  Medicare may not cover something, but the work insurance will still have to if it's a benefit under the overall plan.  

[Natalie68]

18 hours ago, Gramto6 said:

As I vaguely recall Janelle took her pension out when she left that govt. job and gave it to the "family" to buy the Lehi home. Someone correct me if I am wrong...old brain doesn't always remember these details.

No, that $ was an inheritance.  She cashed out her pension to fund the LV move.

[Natalie68]

3 hours ago, MamaMax said:

Janelle made the mistake of "loaning" her  Las Vegas house proceeds to Kody and Robyn to buy the McMansion, didn't she? As I understood it, she thought it was going to be temporary housing for part of the family, but a "family asset" in that and they would sell the McMansion eventually and use the money to build on coyote pass.  I think she got bamboozled. If she wanted to do that, she should have insisted her name be put on the deed.  

As far as retiree benefits, I doubt she worked there long enough to qualify.  She might have had money in a pension/retirement that she decided to take out but I don't think she was full vested, she was too young.  Most people I know in Govt jobs need to be in them at least 20-25-30 years to be fully vested 

She asked to be put on it and Kody said no.  Why she dropped it I don't know.  

OT:  I was vested after 5 years at my job (I was 29 and it is a UC job).  After I hit 50 (must have at least 20 years of service), I got my benefits for life (switches to supplemental insurance at medicare age) but it isn't free.  I have 32 years of service and 4 years til I hit 60 when I can retire. So my guess is she was vested.

Edited October 4 by Natalie68