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S12.E21: Not My Sister's Keeper


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After last night I don’t think I really care about the reunion. Andy will ass-kiss Erika, Rinna will be her evil self, Garcelle and Sutton will try to talk sense and get swarmed, Dorit will sit there wondering if she’s on the right side of the couch, and Crystal will be a shrinking violet. I’m more interested in seeing the fallout (if any) when the season is totally done.

Rinna hits a new low every time she opens her trap. I’m sorry to everyone who has or had cancer, or has a family member or friend with it. Just like with Kathy, Rinna goes for the outrageous and doesn’t care who she hurts, including those people who have, by watching, provided her with a living since 2014.

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1 hour ago, chlban said:

NY tanked because viewers, no matter how WOKE we may be, do not want to watch lectures on race every week. Combined with trashy Leah, the show became unrecognizable. I find it interesting thar Eboni was such a disaster for the show, while Garcelle is the most popular of the BH cast and, arguably, the entire franchise. 

It was marvelous watching Eboni and Leah’s self-confidence rise with the flames from that dumpster fire of a season. 

54 minutes ago, Pixilicious said:

On a positive note, Garcelle is an amazing woman...she's smart, articulate and keeps her cool...she doesn't have to scream or stand over someone to get her point across...she's completely composed as she takes down an opponent...i wish i had her grace and her gift of wording...i feel that she and Sutton have a real friendship and it's nice to see...i'm happy that Crystal seems to be realizing this...I'd love to see more of these 3 women...and by the way, Sutton's facial reactions were priceless last night lol

I loooove how they keep trying to gently take Garcelle down but can’t boldly go after her because they’re afraid of being accused of being racist. 😂

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I finally realized why Rinna didn't record Kathy's antics that night (or doesn't admit to doing so). Without recorded evidence she can make all the generic innuendos she wants hoping that Kathy will either admit or deny at which point Rinna can follow up with a "that's not what you said, you said much worse" type statement. Recorded evidence wouldn't give Rinna the leeway to play loose with the facts.

But Kathy isn't playing Rinna's game and is just apologizing without on-camera specifics, which is frustrating the hell out of Rinna - and apparently causing cancer of the lips (???)

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1 hour ago, chlban said:

NY tanked because viewers, no matter how WOKE we may be, do not want to watch lectures on race every week. Combined with trashy Leah, the show became unrecognizable. I find it interesting thar Eboni was such a disaster for the show, while Garcelle is the most popular of the BH cast and, arguably, the entire franchise. 

Completely understandable because Garcelle is much smarter than Eboni and most importantly Garcelle has much more emotional intelligence than Eboni.

Garcelle nailed it last season when she had lunch with Kyle and lucidly - and not in a condescending manner - explained exactly why Kyle's statement about Garcelle not paying the charitable pledge was especially damaging when it was said against a woman of color. She wasn't angry - she didn't have an agenda - and Kyle (and the audience) could understand exactly what the issue was. Garcelle accepted Kyle's apology and didn't use it to pontificate on larger issues of endemic racism. 

Eboni on the other hand reamed Luanne for a comment that Eboni took completely out of context and then the whole discussion escalated into a typical HW shit show. As I recall - and it has been awhile - the Luanne's comment had to do with Luanne having gone to parochial school and so she didn't grow up using certain kinds of language. Obviously Luanne at this point is not chaste virgin but I do think she was sincere in explaining her upbringing. I am also no chaste virgin and I also grew up where certain language wasn't used in polite society and while I might have used the occasional swear word as a teenager among my peers certainly not around a dinner table. Also - and this could be me - but even as an adult with my female friends, we don't regular sit at a dinner table and discuss dicks and other very graphic sexual stuff. 

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6 hours ago, Beachdreamer said:

 I think in this instance what she really means is, "It's fine to hurt Kathy a little, you all saw me do it Aspen, but when you do it THIS way, you're hurting me and we agreed as a FF5 team we would protect each other."

I agree!  I think Kyle might have been on board with the FF5 take down of Kathy, until she saw how far Rinna was taking it.  They goaded Kathy until she truly had a meltdown and then Rinna was like a dog with a bone.  No amount of apologizing on Kathy's part would satisfy Rinna until every last utterance was shared and Kathy's head was skewered on a spike.  Kyle now realizes that she opened Pandora's box.

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2 minutes ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

I agree!  I think Kyle might have been on board with the FF5 take down of Kathy, until she saw how far Rinna was taking it.  They goaded Kathy until she truly had a meltdown and then Rinna was like a dog with a bone.  No amount of apologizing on Kathy's part would satisfy Rinna until every last utterance was shared and Kathy's head was skewered on a spike.  Kyle now realizes that she opened Pandora's box.

I think it's either this, or Kyle went off book and Rinna kept on running with it. Can't tell.

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16 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

Why can’t Kyle just tell Rinna to butt the hell out? It sounds like things were pretty well handled between Kyle and Kathy until she showed up. 

From your lips…

When Rinna started talking all this shit, if Kyle didn't cosign with what she was saying, she would  have said 'You will not speak about my sister in my house when she isn't here to defend herself the end.  If you don't like it leave'.  Rinna and Erika were busted and the look on the Pretty Messes face was classic!

16 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

Why can’t Kyle just tell Rinna to butt the hell out? It sounds like things were pretty well handled between Kyle and Kathy until she showed up. 

From your lips…

When Rinna started talking all this shit, if Kyle didn't cosign with what she was saying, she would  have said 'You will not speak about my sister in my house when she isn't here to defend herself the end.  If you don't like it leave'.  Rinna and Erika were busted and the look on the Pretty Messes face was classic!

16 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

Why can’t Kyle just tell Rinna to butt the hell out? It sounds like things were pretty well handled between Kyle and Kathy until she showed up. 

From your lips…

When Rinna started talking all this shit, if Kyle didn't cosign with what she was saying, she would  have said 'You will not speak about my sister in my house when she isn't here to defend herself the end.  If you don't like it leave'.  Rinna and Erika were busted and the look on the Pretty Messes face was classic!

16 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

Why can’t Kyle just tell Rinna to butt the hell out? It sounds like things were pretty well handled between Kyle and Kathy until she showed up. 

From your lips…

When Rinna started talking all this shit, if Kyle didn't cosign with what she was saying, she would  have said 'You will not speak about my sister in my house when she isn't here to defend herself the end.  If you don't like it leave'.  Rinna and Erika were busted and the look on the Pretty Messes face was classic!

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Rinna so carelessly tossing abound PTSD and cancer is heinous!  She should be fired for that alone.  Then add the bullying, vicious embellishment to take others down is disgusting!  

I really feel that she is behind puppy gate and now the Kathy leak.  And it wouldn't surprise me if she caused a lot of trouble between Kyle and LVP in order to break them up.  After all, it sounds like she's did it with Kim and tried with Kathy.  Emotional abuse.

Do you suppose she's manipulating Erika now?  Wouldn't surprise me.

How the producers and advertisers can excuse this is beyond shameful.  She should be cancelled!

Why do the other ladies put up with this?

She's the reason I don't watch this show anymore.

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16 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

Rinna is really dragging Kyle down at the party. She needs to let it go and shut her trap. 

When Rinna started talking all this shit, if Kyle didn't cosign with what she was saying, she would have said 'You will not speak about my sister in my house when she isn't here to defend herself the end.  If you don't like it leave'.  Rinna and Erika were busted and the look on the Pretty Messes face was classic!

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1 minute ago, Blondie said:

Rinna so carelessly tossing abound PTSD and cancer is heinous!  She should be fired for that alone.  Then add the bullying, vicious embellishment to take others down is disgusting!  

I really feel that she is behind puppy gate and now the Kathy leak.  And it wouldn't surprise me if she caused a lot of trouble between Kyle and LVP in order to break them up.  After all, it sounds like she's did it with Kim and tried with Kathy.  Emotional abuse.

Do you suppose she's manipulating Erika now?  Wouldn't surprise me.

How the producers and advertisers can excuse this is beyond shameful.  She should be cancelled!

Why do the other ladies put up with this?

She's the reason I don't watch this show anymore.

I bet Rinna made the call (gotta get that $200 from the tip line! ;)  But I think the whole thing has the entire FFF fingerprints all over it. Puppygate was just the start.  And now Kyle's gone rogue. 

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12 minutes ago, Jel said:

I bet Rinna made the call (gotta get that $200 from the tip line! ;)  But I think the whole thing has the entire FFF fingerprints all over it. Puppygate was just the start.  And now Kyle's gone rogue. 

Just enough to rent an outfit for the next occasion!

(Rinna is regretting she let that comment slip, since we will now speculate on her looks being rented.  She's got a garage full. of vintage fashions...why doesn't she wear some of those?)

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1 hour ago, MaggieG said:

Erika and Rinna looked like Tweedledee and Tweedledum when they were doing their back and forth "if it was leaked, why wasn't it printed, I haven't seen anything" rant.

And spare me with the on and on about how Kathy's behavior was dark and that Rinna has never seen anyone act like that when both Rinna and Erika have been heinous on camera for years.

I think they were trying to make the point that Kathy's lawyers have squashed some of the stories.  They are really angry that Kathy is using her clout to "silence" them. I remember  Rinna was furious when Denise sent a cease and desist letter regarding the Brandi drama.  Their plan to distract from Erika's latest blowup can't happen if Kathy is successful at a cover up.

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6 hours ago, QQQQ said:

I'm not sure I understood the publicist angle. Is Kathy (via Kyle) saying that her daughter's publicist -- who is also Erika's publicist -- is the person responsible for leaking stories to the press? Do Kathy and Nicky not get along? Ratting out your client's uber wealthy/powerful mom seems like an incredibly short-sighted and dangerous move.

Why does Erika even have a publicist and who pays for it?  Someone in her position should want the opposite of publicity.   She is the only "broke" person I've ever heard of with a publicist (and "stylist" and hair and makeup people) and Beverly Hills address.   Erika still takes vacations on private planes, dines at fancy fundraisers, etc. but her life is a "nuclear bomb" ???

Kyle, whose life is the opposite of Erika's in every way (marriage, money, kids, work) doesn't feel the need to pay a publicist.  I almost choked on my wine when I heard that. 

5 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

That’s why I wish Kyle had just shut down the discussion by saying she and Kathy have talked; it’s over, move on.

I don't think anyone could shut down the discussion, at least I've never seen anyone accomplish that with these women.  Kyle did tell them she HAD to move on, that this was her FAMILY and she didn't want another long lasting rift - especially with her daughter's wedding coming up.  (I still remember how bitter Kathy did not invite half of Kyle's family, including Mo, to Nicki's wedding.)   But Rinna and Erika didn't care because this was about them, not Kyle. 

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3 minutes ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

Just enough to rent an outfit for the next occasion!

There is nothing wrong with renting clothes, it is a sustainable way to stay current with styles...my daughter uses Rent the Runway for a lot of weddings and parties she is invited to, she lives in Miami and wants to look current and always looks cute,  the only issue we have with Rinna is she is ugly on the inside so nothing looks good on her outside.

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12 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

There is nothing wrong with renting clothes, it is a sustainable way to stay current with styles...my daughter uses Rent the Runway for a lot of weddings and parties she is invited to, she lives in Miami and wants to look current and always looks cute, 

I agree, unless you are posing as a Beverly Hills RH who by definition has some sort of rich lifestyle with piles of disposable income.  

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1 hour ago, RoseAllDay said:

I think it’s more that she sees through their bullshit and they know she’s not a pushover like the rest of them. Like the bullies they are, they won’t pick on somebody who can smack back.

Her questions — going back to the earrings — were what pretty much sent the Tag Team from Hell up against the rest of them last night, and it’s pretty clear who won that fight.

Garcelle is also about the only one who has effectively shut Erika up at times as well.

Love Garcelle.

Garcelle is a force and I love her but she also fights fair. If she were white, she’d be wrestling Rinna full time, like Sutton does, on Every. Single. Issue. Rinna has to back off because she doesn’t want to be called racist.

She complained during Garcelle’s first season that “we shouldn’t have gotten a black housewife because now it becomes about race”. Total bitch.

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14 hours ago, ivygirl said:

If this made Rinna susceptible to PTSD and cancer, perhaps the best thing for her to do is step away from the show. You know, for her health. 

Or ride it out and see how it shakes out. 😂  JOKING! Get that skank off the show and take her bloated faced Giardi with her.

13 hours ago, Lady of nod said:

Will someone please grow a backbone and tell Rhinna to fuck off! Kyle, anyone? Why are they all so afraid of her. Instead of bringing in miss eurotrash this year they should have found someone who would stand up to her and tell her what a nasty lying pos she is. That would have made for a good season. 

I still think Nicolette Sheridan would be awesome!  I think she would stand up to Rinna.  Even without their Harry connection.

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11 hours ago, CallmeCray said:

This sounds like a very plausible scenario…💡 

I can definitely see these two hateful ghouls making such a pact.  

I thought I remembered something about these two sacks of shit.  This is from an article:

the lawyer took to Twitter to reveal Erika's business connection to Lisa. "We can confirm that Lisa actually referred EG to her current biz manager.  They share a biz manager!

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11 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

I agree, unless you are posing as a Beverly Hills RH who by definition has some sort of rich lifestyle with piles of disposable income.  

I always assumed that the wealthy women in BH had stylists that would get clothes from designers for them to wear to events, HW's like Dorit live for the loaners because we know she is not shelling out big bucks for a head to toe logo look from whatever designer.  Rinna does have a tent full of vintage designer clothes, she could start a rental business!  We know Sutton has the goods and I think Rinna is irked by that.

These broads are not fooling anyone.

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3 hours ago, chlban said:

NY tanked because viewers, no matter how WOKE we may be, do not want to watch lectures on race every week. Combined with trashy Leah, the show became unrecognizable. I find it interesting thar Eboni was such a disaster for the show, while Garcelle is the most popular of the BH cast and, arguably, the entire franchise. 

I didn't stop watching NY because of the wokeness.  Frankly, the HWs are the antithesis of being woke.  I stopped because I am tired of seeing women of a certain age getting completely black out drunk and being THAT sloppy.  Ramona at the Shabbat dinner was the last straw.  That and her shitting on the floor.

Garcelle laughing at something Rinna said while being serious was hilarious!  Kyle is afraid if she pushes too hard her secrets will come flying out of the gaping maws of her costars.  It must be juicy.

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8 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I always assumed that the wealthy women in BH had stylists that would get clothes from designers for them to wear to events, HW's like Dorit live for the loaners because we know she is not shelling out big bucks for a head to toe logo look from whatever designer.  Rinna does have a tent full of vintage designer clothes, she could start a rental business!  We know Sutton has the goods and I think Rinna is irked by that.

These broads are not fooling anyone.

I posted an article in the Sutton thread in which it is explained that designers do not loan to the housewives for a variety of reasons. It was written by Brian Moylan who wrote Erica’s book and recaps for Vulture and he is a pretty reliable source.

I think some but not all of them rent. I also think that some of the really heavily branded stuff are high end replicas because that crap doesn’t depend on beautiful fabrics or great construction but is essentially cheap crap with a logo so easy to replicate 

I think Sutton and Crystal own their clothing and accessories. 

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2 hours ago, Pixilicious said:

On a positive note, Garcelle is an amazing woman...she's smart, articulate and keeps her cool...she doesn't have to scream or stand over someone to get her point across...she's completely composed as she takes down an opponent...i wish i had her grace and her gift of wording...i feel that she and Sutton have a real friendship and it's nice to see...i'm happy that Crystal seems to be realizing this...I'd love to see more of these 3 women...and by the way, Sutton's facial reactions were priceless last night lol

She is one of the few that is still capable of facial expressions 

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

When Rinna started talking all this shit, if Kyle didn't cosign with what she was saying, she would have said 'You will not speak about my sister in my house when she isn't here to defend herself the end.  If you don't like it leave'.  Rinna and Erika were busted and the look on the Pretty Messes face was classic!

I don't know why it is reposting this!  SORRY!

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16 hours ago, Emmeline said:

I could not believe my ears!  Erika’s publicist is Jack Ketsoyan and he is also the publicist for Nicki Hilton.    This guy also does PR for Kim Zolciak, Nick Cater & Amber Rose.  So I understand him also representing Erika, but Nicky Hilton!  He was shown on the episode at Erika’s house when she said she wanted to be a hired dominatrix.

Rinna and Erika looked like some evil Disney villains at the dinner.  Rinna was dressed like one too.

Nicki Hilton promotes all kinds of products constantly on her IG (I didn't bother to look at other social media, but IG is the most popular along FB, and "visual"), so this fits the PR representation. She is an "influencer". Her husband's cousin (Nathan "Nat" Rothschild) married a stripper/The Sun newspaper page 3 girl in 2016, so I don't think the Rothschild reputation is that stellar anymore. 

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17 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

Just like with the PTSD reference, using a very serious issue    in a trivial manner. Disgusting. Rinna is a shit person. 

You can’t start stuff and not give details, then turn around and claim victimhood. Same goes for your grifting bestie.

She cannot give details because she received a cease and desist letter by Kathy's attorney like many others as it was finally stated (it appeared on media early on) on the show several times.

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1 minute ago, ZettaK said:

She cannot give details because she received a cease and desist letter by Kathy's attorney like many others as it was finally stated (it appeared on media early on) on the show several times.

IF she had evidence to back up her claim she would have nothing to fear .. She doesnt or they would have "leaked" before this or hell even now 

she is expecting us to take her word for it 

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59 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

Why does Erika even have a publicist and who pays for it?  Someone in her position should want the opposite of publicity.   She is the only "broke" person I've ever heard of with a publicist (and "stylist" and hair and makeup people) and Beverly Hills address.   Erika still takes vacations on private planes, dines at fancy fundraisers, etc. but her life is a "nuclear bomb" ???

A modern publicist isn’t just for getting a client’s name in the press. It is often for keeping it out or spinning events to shed favorable light. Also as was discussed above, social media accounts are generally handled by PR firms.

Ericka has lots of money between her BRAVO salary plus all the money she gets from monetizing social media. Everything she posts earns her money. She is also reputed to have at least one old rich casino owner who gives her money. 

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1 hour ago, Dutchgirl said:

Garcelle is a force and I love her but she also fights fair. If she were white, she’d be wrestling Rinna full time, like Sutton does, on Every. Single. Issue. Rinna has to back off because she doesn’t want to be called racist.

She complained during Garcelle’s first season that “we shouldn’t have gotten a black housewife because now it becomes about race”. Total bitch.

I don't think it's about race. It's about how masterful Garcelle is at taking down assholes with a calm and confident grace. As I recall, she's never said anything in her take downs that was rude. Rinna knows better than to really try it with her because she will end up looking even more foolish than she already does.

I really hope this stupid, vapid, common bitch gets the boot. I could live with Erika, Dorit and Kyle but Rinna and Diana gots to go!

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3 minutes ago, politichick said:

I don't think it's about race. It's about how masterful Garcelle is at taking down assholes with a calm and confident grace. As I recall, she's never said anything in her take downs that was rude. Rinna knows better than to really try it with her because she will end up looking even more foolish than she already does.

I really hope this stupid, vapid, common bitch gets the boot. I could live with Erika, Dorit and Kyle but Rinna and Diana gots to go!

You can literally see Rinna seething because she can’t go after Garcelle. Her voice is always controlled but she tries to catch Garcelle. Garcelle is too much of a class act to tolerate as much as Sutton does, and if it weren’t for race, Rinna would be all over Garcelle’s ass driving her nuts until Garcelle just left the show.

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5 hours ago, Pondlass1 said:

We have no footage of the meltdown.

I think that Rinna might have recorded some of the episode that happened in the Aspen house and that’s why she got a cease and desist order from Kathy. Her phone may have proof of something or nothing. If she’s allegedly scared enough to go to her bedroom and lock the door, you know she wants evidence as to why. Receipts. The ladies usually bring all the receipts to the Reunion. 

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2 hours ago, suzeecat said:

Was anybody else as traumatized as I was at Garcelle's mis-matched plaid - thing???  I was too distracted trying to find ONE seam that matched, but came up empty-handed.

And then, green lipstick??? 

YASSS!!!  The seams didn't line up with the plaid lines.  It made me stabby, because if they had, I would have really liked it.

I couldn't quite hate the green lipstick because it was a great shade of green, but yeah, I hope she retires it.

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3 hours ago, FlyingEgret said:

I finally realized why Rinna didn't record Kathy's antics that night (or doesn't admit to doing so). Without recorded evidence she can make all the generic innuendos she wants hoping that Kathy will either admit or deny at which point Rinna can follow up with a "that's not what you said, you said much worse" type statement. Recorded evidence wouldn't give Rinna the leeway to play loose with the facts.

But Kathy isn't playing Rinna's game and is just apologizing without on-camera specifics, which is frustrating the hell out of Rinna - and apparently causing cancer of the lips (???)

Rinna was sent cease and desist letters by Kathy's attorneys like many others as stated on the episode several times. The media stopped reporting about it immediately. Rinna cannot reveal details. Kathy did this after the incidents which shows she didn't want any exact damaging info to be revealed. Kathy admitted to bad behavior at the club and house, the other HWs witnessed it at the club, and Rinna at the house. Kathy admitted she said terrible things about her sister and others. The attorney letters prevent others from discussing/printing it.

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6 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

Rinna was sent cease and desist letters by Kathy's attorneys like many others as stated on the episode several times. The media stopped reporting about it immediately. Rinna cannot reveal details. Kathy did this after the incidents which shows she didn't want any exact damaging info to be revealed. Kathy admitted to bad behavior at the club and house, the other HWs witnessed it at the club, and Rinna at the house. Kathy admitted she said terrible things about her sister and others. The attorney letters prevent others from discussing/printing it.

that only covers slander  ... it doesnt cover if the stuff being said is true ... yes they could be taken to court but if they have evidence of truthfulness that isn't Slander (like Lisa is attempting with the I have PTSD) a judge would rule against Kathy.. just throwing that out there

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I want to apologize ahead of time for what I am about to say.. for its crudeness. I am not a big fan of crudeness, but since the person who needs to hear this particularly appropriate sentence spoken, by Kyle, or anyone on this green earth for that matter, I will say it. I heard it on one of those medieval shows my son likes to watch.

Hey Lisa - Words fall from thy lips... like shit, from ass. 👄💩

That goes for you too Erica, except I’ll give you the recognition that your lips don’t literally look like an ass, like Lisa’s do-do.

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3 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Well Erika, all you have to do is open Radaronline and click this box: image.png.a379f299307b12ed8a138d9a248adc1f.png

I am not even on tv or have a publicist and could figure out how to pass along a juicy tidbit.

Yes, but I bet you know how to use a Debit Card and poor little abused Erika has never been to the bank. To paraphrase Bethanny, you can't play stupid and smart at the same time, but Erika is still trying.

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54 minutes ago, SassyCat said:

I want to apologize ahead of time for what I am about to say.. for its crudeness. I am not a big fan of crudeness, but since the person who needs to hear this particularly appropriate sentence spoken, by Kyle, or anyone on this green earth for that matter, I will say it. I heard it on one of those medieval shows my son likes to watch.

Hey Lisa - Words fall from thy lips... like shit, from ass. 👄💩

That goes for you too Erica, except I’ll give you the recognition that your lips don’t literally look like an ass, like Lisa’s do-do.

No need to apologize. Those hags bring out the inner crudeness in all of us. 

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3 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

IF she had evidence to back up her claim she would have nothing to fear .. She doesnt or they would have "leaked" before this or hell even now 

she is expecting us to take her word for it 

Maybe that’s why she had the deal with Depends: all the leaks…

1 hour ago, Dutchgirl said:

She be clinging to that bag. Funnily enough, it miraculously goes with everything 🌈

Like Marge Simpson and the Chanel suit she found at the outlet store 🤣

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If you’re going to invest, invest in luxury bags. One of my admins buys luxury bags and has amassed a small fortune. Every now and then we go online for funsies to see how much they’re worth and they always go up in value. She focuses primarily on Hermes, Chanel, and LV because they’re some of the more popular designers for resale and if she ever needed to, she could easily sell them at a profit. Whenever the yearly bonus comes around I ask what bag is on her radar. One year she and her husband argued over him buying a (not needed) new car or her buying a new bag. After presenting her case the bag won. The bag would be worth more just within the year while a car decreases in value the moment you drive off the lot.

Can someone please pray to the BH patron saint Hermes and make Rinna and Erika disappear? 🙏

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