S09.E08: Compliments of Captain Lee's Travel Agency

[TexasGal]

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Jessica is unmotivated by service but welcomes a budding romance with Wes as a happy distraction while Captain Lee and Eddie grow weary by the deck crew's performance; a meat and potatoes family vacation takes an awkward turn.

Airdate: 12/13/2021

[ihartcoffee]

Is it just me or is Rachel trying too hard?  She's so awkward.... 

ETA she is a good cook obviously 

Edited December 14, 2021 by ihartcoffee
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[TexasGal]

I’m glad that Jess realized she didn’t have an ally in Fraser in her complaints about Heather.  That was awkward.

[PaperTree]

TOGA!  Rachel continues to kill it.  Dragging her labia through broken tequila bottles?  On my.

Hot tub boobie thing was very awkward.

Jess isn't cut out for this, but mean girls Heather and Frazier are no prize  She and Wes are a cute couple, but there's no chemistry there.  I can see her bailing next week.

Primary departure speech was hilarious.

Lee is pissed at the deckcrew, has no clue what's going on inside😎

I've worked with complicated machines and things and there is always a written procedure for how to do things.  Putting up that slide should have a checklist of when to do what so it goes up in an orderly fashion.

These people always seem to be just winging it every time.  They seemed to get it together on the practice run.  Somebody should write down how they did it.

[Steph J]

I dunno, now that Heather's dropped the n-word, Fraser's probably rethinking that alliance.

Didn't buy Heather's "Oh, did I say that?" routine at all. She knew she said it, thought somehow that she was going to get a pass, and then went deer in the headlights when called out and realized that was going to end up on TV (says it all that she threw out the term "cancel culture" when Rayna didn't say that, just told her she should watch what she says) and decided playing dumb was her best option.

I feel like this really brings that whole, I was bullied for being a pretty white girl thing into sharp relief.

Edited because on rewatch I see that Rayna did warn Heather about cancel culture the first time she told her not to say it; it was when she repeated the warning that she told her to be careful about what she says.

Edited December 14, 2021 by Steph J

[howiveaddict]

14 minutes ago, Steph J said:

I dunno, now that Heather's dropped the n-word, Fraser's probably rethinking that alliance.

Didn't buy Heather's "Oh, did I say that?" routine at all. She knew she said it, thought somehow that she was going to get a pass, and then went deer in the headlights when called out and realized that was going to end up on TV (says it all that she threw out the term "cancel culture" when Rayna didn't say that, just told her she should watch what she says) and decided playing dumb was her best option.

I feel like this really brings that whole, I was bullied for being a pretty white girl thing into sharp relief.

I thought the same thing and at the time she talked about being bullied, I just went Hmm.

That being said, Rayna sure has a bad attitude when  being talked to by a superior.   Hope Captain Lee catches her smarting off.  Also surprised nothing was mentioned by the primary about all the loud arguing from her and porn stache within earshot.

Edited December 14, 2021 by howiveaddict

[FrankieTankie]

Fraser is a greasy bitch …. Fake as fuck …someone needs to tell Rachael she’s not fun … she’s strange and very awkward…. All that female deck hand does is bitch and complain …. She acts like she can do no wrong 

[APK]

I’ve gotten tired of seeing the cast/crew of the Below Deck franchise complaining about their tips. Each character leave a dock for about three days, and these pretentious people are complaining about a $19,000 tip. Each character leaves a dock for about three days. $1900.00 a piece is a solid tip as far as I’m concerned. Most people, employed in the service industry, don’t claim their tips on a 1099 form.

[FrankieTankie]

Boring season 

Edited December 14, 2021 by FrankieTankie

[BusyOctober]

This is a dull, disconnected season.  Feels like the new interior and deck crew were all hired from a casting call of aimless, jobless, malcontented babies.

Rachel is still an amazing chef, and I’m liking her more sober, but I’m over the titties and labia and puke and diarrhea mentions.

Eddie is in over his head.  His “promotion” was purely for tv.

Heather is a twit with more self confidence than she has earned. She’s a mean girl who thinks she’s still in high school.

Fraiser his Heather’s tattletale puppet and a little too insecure and immature for his age.

Wes is so out of place on this deck crew, this yacht, and this tv show.  He’s nice enough, but just sooo awkward.

Jake wants to be a party f*** boi, but I don’t think he’s as charming as he believes himself to be. 

Rayna just wants to complain.  About everything. To everyone. All the time.

Jess appears to have been kidnapped and forced to interact with other humans against her will.  Surely someone so introverted and so antisocial, with so little ability to don a personality, would never voluntarily sign up to live with strangers in a confined space for several weeks to do a job that requires 24 hour ‘service with a smile”, right? 

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by BusyOctober

[aghst]

Looks like Heather and Fraser will drive off Jess.  After all, it's not BD if some stew isn't getting replaced.

Lee threatening to cancel the rest of the season.  Yeah then will Bravo pay his salary for the whole season?  Yes, because he can't cancel anything and he's saying it for the cameras.  Let's see they have replacement cast members lined up for every position, deck, interior or chef. Does Bravo have replacement captains lined up as well?

Rayna overreacts to any possible slights.  Her father tells her to stand up for herself.  But that probably causes more friction than it's always worth.

But before another black woman is labeled as "difficult" are they absolutely sure Jake is completely faultless?

If previous pattern holds, they will say everything has improved by the last couple of charters and they will end the season with hugs and kisses as they go off.  But in the middle, there has to be conflict and discontent about how things are going.

 

[Jack Sampson]

5 minutes ago, aghst said:

Lee threatening to cancel the rest of the season.  Yeah then will Bravo pay his salary for the whole season?  Yes, because he can't cancel anything and he's saying it for the cameras.  Let's see they have replacement cast members lined up for every position, deck, interior or chef. Does Bravo have replacement captains lined up as well?

I'm sure tons of captains are available, but are they willing to follow the script like Lee is? 

[Genus]

All Heather did was repeat what Rayna said, so why is it OK for Rayna to say it, but not Heather? And don't give me Rayna's black so it's OK crap. The second time she said i was when she was singing a song, Rayna needs to knock that massive chip off her shoulder as well as her bad attitude towards authority and spend more time doing her actual job rather than bitching about everyone.

[Lassus]

I would like to call complete bullshit on this unpolished, uncleaned area.  

The deck crew has been lectured at and threatened with firing for a shitty job.  While they are cleaning the Captain finds an uncleaned area and calls Eddie to bitch at him.  Do they call over the people who left it that way to show them the problem and ask them about it?  No.

Eddie finds them cleaning something else to bitch at them about the uncleaned area of the boat elsewhere that he and Captain Lee were at.  Does he bring them over to where that is to show them the problem and ask about it?  No.

This is not a fucking aircraft carrier, and they have radios.  There is no way any human being on the planet who has ever worked with other people would think this was the right way to operate.  There is NO WAY that timeline was as they showed or this wasn't clearly directed.  None.

Edited December 14, 2021 by Lassus

[Michichick]

3 hours ago, Genus said:

All Heather did was repeat what Rayna said, so why is it OK for Rayna to say it, but not Heather? And don't give me Rayna's black so it's OK crap. The second time she said i was when she was singing a song, Rayna needs to knock that massive chip off her shoulder as well as her bad attitude towards authority and spend more time doing her actual job rather than bitching about everyone.

It’s never okay for a white person to say the n word. Never, ever. It doesn’t matter if someone else said it or she was singing a song. It’s not okay.

Whether it’s okay for black people to say it is a subject of debate, though I’m not going to debate it here. Personally, I wish nobody would use that word. 
 

[Uncle JUICE]

12 minutes ago, Michichick said:

It’s never okay for a white person to say the n word. Never, ever. It doesn’t matter if someone else said it or she was singing a song. It’s not okay.

It's really just this simple. Yes, when I'm alone and listening to Jay Z or Snoop or Tupac, I sing the whole song. In mixed company (which means anyone NOT my wife, including my kids), that word is just not something I'm going to say. It's not complicated, you just have to deal with it. THAT said, in no way do I get racist vibes from Heather, who I find mostly pretty pleasant, that doesn't make it right. JUST DO NOT USE THAT WORD. 

BUT: Rayna, if you're going to make an issue of it to a superior, which is your right, don't wait until you get yelled at or something completely to bring it up like a whatboutism. And now she'll tell everyone who will listen, but only piecemeal. I know she said something directly to Heather, but it was also tempered with "I still love you!" and all that. Her complaints about it to management that we've seen appear to lack that spoonful of sugar, which also misrepresents what happened in a way that makes Heather look like something other than what we've seen so far. 

[65mickey]

So Heather said this word when they were going into the bathroom not when they were sitting in the crew mess?  Little miss "not up to my standards" got her tail caught in a crack. Let's see if she gets a pass on this.  What am I saying? She will probably become the victim in this and Rayna will end up apologizing to Heather. 

I am so sick of Captain Lee. Seems like he is over this job also. He is unpleasant and has been since Kate left. This entire crew is awful except for Wes. 

[Michichick]

Rayna is pretty annoying in how she approaches issues. Eddie was correct that she’s very good at talking over other people. Eddie tried to have a reasonable discussion with her about how she’s doing and what sort of behavior is appropriate, but she walked away saying “he doesn’t get it.” Rayna seems not to be able to handle any kind of constructive criticism, no matter how politely it’s delivered to her.

[Baltimore Betty]

11 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

Rachel is still an amazing chef, and I’m liking her more sober, but I’m over the titties and labia and puke and diarrhea mentions.

 

Absolutely!

She does it for shock value but it is not shocking, it not clever, it is not funny for anyone over the age of 12.  I have heard that when a person has a drinking problem their brain stops developing past the age they started to drink, (not 100% sure if that is exact but something like that) but toilet humor and wanting to shock people is something a 12 year old finds funny, maybe Rachel's boozing started when she was young?

It was awkward for Heather when Rachel would whip out those not so bon mots, you could hear it in Heather's voice how she reacted, it was carefully enough not to draw ire from Rachel and she laughed enough to maybe satisfy Rachel in to stopping...it did not work.

 

[iMonrey]

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All Heather did was repeat what Rayna said, so why is it OK for Rayna to say it, but not Heather? And don't give me Rayna's black so it's OK crap.

Did Rayna say it? It's bad enough if you're just singing the lyrics to rap music, but what about when Heather and Rayna were walking to the rest room at the restaurant? That time it just seemed like it came out of the blue. This really isn't a gray area, you just don't use that word, period. I'm frankly mortified by Heather now. 

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I would like to call complete bullshit on this unpolished, uncleaned area.  

I'm with you on that. The deck crew drama feels so manufactured this season. Water spots? Really? And I totally don't understand the point of Eddie being "first officer." We have never, in eight seasons of this show, seen a first officer micro managing the deck crew. That's the bosun's job, not the first officer's. Hell, we've never even seen the first officer until now.

And no, $19,000 is not a bad tip. That's actually pretty good. We've seen them get less than that quite often. The show is really digging deep to find things to complain about.

Was the Bravo feed too glitchy to watch for anyone else? I have Spectrum and the channel was freezing and glitching so badly I had to wait for the 10:30 rerun before it went back to normal.

[Uncle JUICE]

Also, "I'll cancel the whole season!" is such an empty threat WITHOUT the Bravo component. Unless he's ready to retire, Lee is full of shit. He's not going to call the guy who owns that boat and say "We have to refund a couple of charters, I canceled them because the water slide was tangled this one time, sorry byeeeeeeeeeeeee." 

[APK]

This current deck crew make Kelley Johnson(BD season 2) and Nico scholly(BD seasons 4 and 5) look competent. I remember Kelley, a retired U.S. Marine, had a great deal of difficulty keeping his temperature in check.

[mytmo]

I don't really see Heather working hard.  Heather is always shown working at a leisurely pace while Jess is being called up from every part of the boat.  Sure Heather can manage but I thought she still had to work hard since there are only 3 of them?  I don't think we've seen Heather break a sweat once.

Also Captain Lee once said (don't remember when) almost the same thing as Rachel about prefer being dragged through broken glass than something yada yada yada.  Not sure why she decided to repeat it. 

[WhatAmIWatching]

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Did Rayna say it? It's bad enough if you're just singing the lyrics to rap music, but what about when Heather and Rayna were walking to the rest room at the restaurant? That time it just seemed like it came out of the blue

As they were walking back into the restaurant, Rayna said it first--I think she was referring to Mr Mustache doing something, but I'll have to rewatch--and Heather was following behind her and repeated the same sentence Rayna had said. eta again: Heather didn't say it in the crew mess when singing the song. That was all just bleeped curse words.

 

eta: What is Eddie doing all day long? Is he boatswain plus first officer? Jake is only lead deckhand, so isn't Eddie supposed to be directing and checking them? This isn't a good season for Eddie, lol.

Edited December 14, 2021 by WhatAmIWatching

[Mr. Miner]

It looks like the crew is forced to have a night out. Half of them were laying on those big round chairs trying to sleep.

[aghst]

42 minutes ago, Mr. Miner said:

It looks like the crew is forced to have a night out. Half of them were laying on those big round chairs trying to sleep.

It's a reality show staple, for the cast to periodically go out and get plastered.

The first season after the pandemic, BD or BDM kept the crew on the boat for at least half a season and they just drank and got in the hot tub on the yacht rather than go out to restaurants and bars.

Several of the crew would probably rather not hang out with others but not going out on these outings is not an option.

[lcarolynl]

Heather repeated Rayna’s exact words when walking back from the restroom. I don’t know why Rayna used the word in the first place. Heather shouldn’t have said it and she certainly should never say it on camera.

She didn’t remember saying it and was “bummed” to be called out on it later in the free mess. Not the same thing as an, “Oh no! I’m so sorry!!”

I think she didn’t remember saying it because the idea of the word didn’t originate in her mind, she was parroting Rayna. It would have been best if Rayna had turned around right away and told Heather not to say that word. 
I don’t understand why Rayna told Heather she loved her and was telling her to have her back then express her general ship unhappiness by repeating Heather’s use of the slur. I don’t think Heather uses the word in her regular language nor did she use it as a weapon to demean Rayna or anyone else. 
I think in time the word will fall out of favor with all races but we shall see, I’m surprised that the “c” word is becoming more common. While one group rises (The BLM movement) we see attacks on the rights of women (restriction of body sovereignty) and that group falls in esteem and power. 

I think Eddie was enticed back with a promise that he’d be made 1st Officer and he could advance his professional skills and marketability. His deck crew needs a lot of supervision and training. Those water toys need to be cleaned and dried, just like crystal. I agree with Captain Lee, those spots looked tacky and not okay on a Super Yacht. 
Rhylee would have have everything shining and pretty!

[howiveaddict]

23 hours ago, Steph J said:

 

Ignore the above.

I read somewhere that they have hired crew who comes in and turns over the boat between charters.  The cast film their talking heads during that time. So, the water spots and salt on the toys, was just manufactured BS.  Also, all this drama about the slide reminds me too much of Captain Sandy.

[Tanukisan]

Some comments…

 

When you mix genders on the crew – whether it be deck or service – don’t be surprised when issues arise.

 

Eddie is not a leader.  He needs to know when to dispense with the PC cr@p and bring the hammer down.  Newsflash, Eddie – those people under your command are not your friends, they’re your crew.  Big difference.  Huge.  Eddie lives on Sesame Street.  His crew doesn’t.

 

If Rayna worked as hard as she whines she might get somewhere.

 

Jess’s attitude may not be the best, but she does her job.  Heather and Fraser’s conspiracy about her make me think more of Jess and less of them.  Yes, Jess has a bit of a lackadaisical attitude, but Heather’s b!tch smugness annoys me more.  And speaking of annoying, Heather, your fake lips are a mounting distraction.

 

Rachel wants 30 for the tip, not 20.  Well, honey, that’s what it means to divide everything equally.  And by the way, Rachel’s singing/referencing her private parts is getting very wearisome.  Can’t wait until they let her inner psycho out.

 

Heather said a bad word!  OMG, the political sharks are circling.  Please.  Stop pandering to the woke meaningless.  There are plenty of real reasons to dislike Heather.

 

Although I don’t respect Eddie, kudos on the slide drill.  Practise makes perfect.

 

 

[Jack Sampson]

1 hour ago, Tanukisan said:

If Rayna worked as hard as she whines she might get somewhere.

We didn't hear the entire conversation with her dad but what made him think people were walking all over her? 

[Chatty Cake]

6 hours ago, Tanukisan said:

Some comments…

 

When you mix genders on the crew – whether it be deck or service – don’t be surprised when issues arise.

 

Eddie is not a leader.  He needs to know when to dispense with the PC cr@p and bring the hammer down.  Newsflash, Eddie – those people under your command are not your friends, they’re your crew.  Big difference.  Huge.  Eddie lives on Sesame Street.  His crew doesn’t.

 

If Rayna worked as hard as she whines she might get somewhere.

 

Jess’s attitude may not be the best, but she does her job.  Heather and Fraser’s conspiracy about her make me think more of Jess and less of them.  Yes, Jess has a bit of a lackadaisical attitude, but Heather’s b!tch smugness annoys me more.  And speaking of annoying, Heather, your fake lips are a mounting distraction.

 

Rachel wants 30 for the tip, not 20.  Well, honey, that’s what it means to divide everything equally.  And by the way, Rachel’s singing/referencing her private parts is getting very wearisome.  Can’t wait until they let her inner psycho out.

 

Heather said a bad word!  OMG, the political sharks are circling.  Please.  Stop pandering to the woke meaningless.  There are plenty of real reasons to dislike Heather.

 

Although I don’t respect Eddie, kudos on the slide drill.  Practise makes perfect.

 

 

Agree with all of this. Wasn’t Heather just chanting some dumb song lyrics? The idiot didn’t mean any harm. I noticed Rayna was quick to throw out a white privilege comment earlier in the episode. She can’t take being critiqued about her job or attitude. She won’t get fired because she’s quick to imply racism. That sounds like privilege to me. Then theres Jess who can do nothing right because of Heather and her minion.  
It’s not a good season. The crew is not entertaining. 

[Kdawg82]

A dull season with pretty cookie-cutter personalities. I’ve said it before & will say it again- we will never replicate the 1st, 2nd & 3rd seasons. 

Wes is alright. He would probably be best with a different crew. & maybe (I wish) we would see him on BDSY as he’s more into sailing.

[gaPeach]

11 hours ago, lcarolynl said:

It would have been best if Rayna had turned around right away and told Heather not to say that word. 
I don’t understand why Rayna told Heather she loved her and was telling her to have her back then express her general ship unhappiness by repeating Heather’s use of the slur. I don’t think Heather uses the word in her regular language nor did she use it as a weapon to demean Rayna or anyone else. 

This. Add the fact they were drinking.  Rayna was not offended at that moment.  And when she brought it up to Heather she was not upset, just letting Heather know not to say it, then all hugs and kisses.  But when she gets called on her crappy work ethic/attitude she pulls this out of her ass.  Then she calls home to complain to her dad, mentions it to another crew member without any reference of when it was said, leaving it on the table as a racial slur by Heather when it wasn't.  Rayna has spent most of her time on boat/show complaining.  First Jake's "tone" is mean, then Eddie, who listened to her respectfully, says he doesn't "get it" and now Heather used a word that is affecting her work.  Sheesh girl grow up and own your own shit.

[dleighg]

On 12/13/2021 at 10:54 PM, howiveaddict said:

Also surprised nothing was mentioned by the primary about all the loud arguing from her and porn stache

And Eddie knew it was audible to the guests-- why the hell didn't he say anything about it to them when he was giving them "constructive criticism"? That was completely unacceptable.

[Tanukisan]

4 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

It’s not a good season. The crew is not entertaining. 

Right there with you.  I began the season looking forward to an episode but lately it's becoming a chore.  A Jess-in-the-laundry-room kind of chore.  (:

[aghst]

The N word would be called a fighting word, defined by courts as something that would incite violence.  For that reason, courts have allowed statutes to prohibit fighting words.

Rayna could have called her out right when it happened.  Or she might not have known what to do in front of the camera in that moment but later decided she had to say something.

She doesn't forfeit her right to be offended because she didn't respond right away.

Just a song lyric?  Are there exemptions for racial slurs?  Are they okay in some situation?

 

[Jsage]

I'm so tired of Captain Lee's threats to fire one of the deck crew. He keeps saying they have no more chances. And then they mess up again and he gives them the exact same speech again. Also, he always gives the speech to all of them at once. If he finally decides to fire someone, is he going to choose who by playing eeny meeny miny moe? All three of them have made group and individual mistakes. Honestly, the person who is least competent at his job right now is Eddie. But even if Captain Lee gives Eddie a warning, we know he's never actually going to fire him.

 

[Uncle JUICE]

I think part of that is the COVID showing. It's not like you can just grab some other drunk dope out of a bar or wherever they find these people. THere's a two week quarantine in place, so if you shitcan one of these fools, you either have planned to do so for two weeks without telling them, or you're willing to work down a person for at least two weeks. 

And that restaurant they went and got wasted at was literally completely empty, it was kind of depressing. 

[65mickey]

Rayna said that Heather said that word when they were walking into the restroom. It was not said as part of the rap song.  Rayna waited until they got back to the boat before bringing it up to Heather. Maybe she wanted to calm down. Didn't Heather say to Rachel that the reason she was upset when she got to her cabin was because Rayna accusing her of this made her feel bad. Yep she is the victim here.  I don't understand going easy on Heather because she was drinking or whatever. People have been fired for saying this. Remember Paula Deen? 

[snarts]

Rayna initially impressed me with how she approached Heather saying the N word.  Like aghst & 65mickey mentioned, she might not have known how to handle in it the moment, but after the returned to the boat, she calmly & privately explained to Heather why it's offensive and why Heather should avoid saying it, even in a song lyric.

As many have mentioned, Heather immediately denied saying it and then tried to play the victim. I am hopeful that she was just stunned & mortified knowing it was filmed and she'll adjust her behavior (and language) accordingly moving forward.  For the record, as they were walking back from the bathroom, Rayne said "what up, N?" to someone unseen and Heather repeated/mimicked her. 

Where Rayna lost me, was in bringing it up to Eddie and others later. Not sure what her intentions were there, other than to distract from criticism about her work performance. 

Jess might not be the perfect stew, but she's pleasant & decent and so not deserving of all the cattiness from Heather & Fraser. 

[gaPeach]

1 hour ago, snarts said:

Where Rayna lost me, was in bringing it up to Eddie and others later. Not sure what her intentions were there, other than to distract from criticism about her work performance.

That was what I had an issue with.  She used it to defect Eddie's criticism of her work.  And again it appeared that when Rayna brought it up to Heather it was squelched.  Now Rayna is dropping it around with other cast members without reference.  It leads people to think Heather called Rayna the N word.  Which did not happen.  And again they were all drinking. We all have done or said something stupid when drinking.  It just happened to be a polarizing word.  

[kassa]

 

On 12/14/2021 at 12:32 PM, mytmo said:

Also Captain Lee once said (don't remember when) almost the same thing as Rachel about prefer being dragged through broken glass than something yada yada yada.  Not sure why she decided to repeat it. 

I may only have been half paying attention, but I thought Rachel's "glass" speech was her making fun of/channeling Capt Lee. The way you do with bosses or relatives who have a certain way of speaking/saying things. I like her much better sober. Yes, she may be trying too hard, but she's probably worried that her popularity came from her bubbly drinking personality and will learn in time she's actually just as fun and more likeable  sober.

I'm sure we'll get a discussion of the n-word incident at the reunion (and rightfully so). Rayna was mad at Jake and snidely said "This ___" , then Heather parroted her.  I'm of the older generation that wouldn't touch that word with a ten foot pole no matter WHO said it first, but Heather wrongly assumed that she had a pass because she likes Rayna and likes rap and doesn't appreciate the automatic change in context when a white person says it. We don't know what Rayna's reaction was in the moment because she was facing away from the camera and they cut away to a different scene. I can't blame her for not immediately calling a screeching halt to production and setting Heather straight. But when Heather started singing it was a natural time to warn her about the fine line, and I thought she handled it well - if anything she was too drunk "love you, man!" about it.  But again, this is a work situation and she has to work with these people, and even raising an issue to keep Heather from looking bad on national television can make Rayna look like the angry Black woman every reality show Black woman has to beware of. (All the stuff afterward with telling the others is a separate matter and not cool, though it's also possible microaggressions have been building up.)

I think we can acknowledge the extra fine line Rayna (as opposed to, say, Jess or Fraser) has to walk to call out a coworker (and someone who outranks her) and also that she totally framed the incident after the fact to deflect appropriate criticism of her work. 

I think Eddie thought this season would be Eddie and Lee in the wheelhouse having fun, interspersed with occasional heart to heart talks with his deck crew.  

[PaperTree]

1 hour ago, kassa said:

I think Eddie thought this season would be Eddie and Lee in the wheelhouse having fun, interspersed with occasional heart to heart talks with his deck crew.  

Whoops!!!

[AnnieBananie]

Captain Lee noted in his blog that he was "disgusted" by what happened. Here's an excerpt: 

 I was truly disgusted by some words used in this week’s episode that I will not repeat; I find them despicable. The word I heard used casually on this week’s episode is not one I tolerate in any way shape or form on my boat. Nor will I ever, moving forward. I wish I knew about it earlier and swift action would have been taken, but let me be very clear, it isn’t acceptable, ever. 

It seems that this, like other incidents, are ones he finds out about after the fact - in this case, waaaaaaay after the fact. I would have liked to see how he would have handled this.

 

 

[Chatty Cake]

Rayna had already addressed the situation with Heather and made Heather feel like shit. Heather using the word she shouldn’t have did not cause Rayna to mess up on the job. Raynas laziness and poor work ethic is what did that. 

[Real Housewife LI]

On 12/15/2021 at 4:35 PM, 65mickey said:

Rayna said that Heather said that word when they were walking into the restroom. It was not said as part of the rap song.  Rayna waited until they got back to the boat before bringing it up to Heather. Maybe she wanted to calm down. Didn't Heather say to Rachel that the reason she was upset when she got to her cabin was because Rayna accusing her of this made her feel bad. Yep she is the victim here.  I don't understand going easy on Heather because she was drinking or whatever. People have been fired for saying this. Remember Paula Deen? 

She literally repeated word for word what rayna said walking back...like a drunken parrot. She didn’t come out w the N word on her own or out of the blue. She repeated it once and nothing was said at the time. 

[Grrarrggh]

On 12/21/2021 at 8:07 PM, Real Housewife LI said:

She literally repeated word for word what rayna said walking back...like a drunken parrot. She didn’t come out w the N word on her own or out of the blue. She repeated it once and nothing was said at the time. 

Not according to what I saw. And so what? If Rayna jumped off a cliff should Heather? And if Heather did should Rayna then be charged with murder? Based on some of the disturbing comments here I'm not surprised Rayna is often in a bad mood if her real life is even a fraction like this.

[Brenda5]

On 12/13/2021 at 10:40 PM, Steph J said:

I dunno, now that Heather's dropped the n-word, Fraser's probably rethinking that alliance.

Didn't buy Heather's "Oh, did I say that?" routine at all. She knew she said it, thought somehow that she was going to get a pass, and then went deer in the headlights when called out and realized that was going to end up on TV (says it all that she threw out the term "cancel culture" when Rayna didn't say that, just told her she should watch what she says) and decided playing dumb was her best option.

I feel like this really brings that whole, I was bullied for being a pretty white girl thing into sharp relief.

Edited because on rewatch I see that Rayna did warn Heather about cancel culture the first time she told her not to say it; it was when she repeated the warning that she told her to be careful about what she says.

If you go back and listen... Rayna drops the “N” word, then Heather repeats her!  I totally agree it should not be used. By anyone!  If Rayna is going to be sooo offended she should not be saying it either!

[Talented Tenth]

On 12/21/2021 at 8:07 PM, Real Housewife LI said:

She literally repeated word for word what rayna said walking back...like a drunken parrot. She didn’t come out w the N word on her own or out of the blue. She repeated it once and nothing was said at the time. 

People are accountable for their own actions.  People can't use the excuse of copying what other people do to be absolved.  Rayna is Black and has a pass to say the n word.  Heather is white and and it wasn't acceptable for her to say.  Women have a pass to use "bitch" with each other, but it takes on a different tone when a man says it.  Gays can use certain terms about each other, but it takes on a different tone when straight people say them.  It's not uncommon for certain groups to flip words that have been used against them.  I've never heard men tell women they can't say bitch or straight people try to tell gay people they shouldn't use certain terms.  Why do some white people fight so hard to say the word or to not have Black people use it?  I'm not Jewish or Italian, so I'm not going to say slang words that are a part of their culture since I'm not of that culture.  It shouldn't be hard not to say the n word. 

 

[Talented Tenth]

On 1/18/2022 at 4:07 PM, Brenda5 said:

If you go back and listen... Rayna drops the “N” word, then Heather repeats her!  I totally agree it should not be used. By anyone!  If Rayna is going to be sooo offended she should not be saying it either!

It's interesting to me when this argument is made.  It's not just the word, it is the intent, tone and context.  In Black culture, not everyone agrees with the usage of the word, but when it is used, it ends with an a instead of er and is a synonym for man or person.  The term will always be questionable coming from a white person, so it's not socially acceptable to use due to the history of the word and racism.  

Women using bitch amongst each other does not have the same tone as a straight man referring to women as bitches.  

Gays using queen or even the f word does not have the same tone as those words coming from straight people.  

I'm a man and I would feel really stupid telling women they shouldn't say bitch.  I just want to know why it bothers you so much that it's not acceptable to say the n word if you're not Black?  Is it because you feel like you're entitled to do anything you want?  For me, it's not hard not to say words that could be questionable coming from me to another group of people.