The Human Beings Known as the Arnold-Klein Family

[BitterApple]

They look so grown up in those pictures. Time really flies.

[Evangeline]

I'd have a baby right now if I could be guaranteed to have a Zoey. She's  delightful to watch.

[Whyyouneedaname]

The Klein/Arnold's are in NY, pre-op testing, someone commented on the post that Jen was having surgery. Any idea what kind? She hasn't confirmed that I know of. Hope she's ok. 

[BitterApple]

Hopefully it's nothing major. 

[Libby]

In the picture they don't look afraid or upset at all, so I doubt that it's a big deal.

[Cherrio]

From the other thread Bill's old business was mentioned from early seasons.

As another also mentioned recently they watched some earlier seasons.

I youtubed a couple of season one episodes when they were still in N.Y.

They both were so different then, it was an actual reality show.  So, I started noting differences. First off, they are no different at all from the majority of reality people. Its a well traveled (now) and predictable road so many go down.  First the teeth whitening and the makeovers, the bigger home, better cars, trips, more trips, bigger houses, then the bickering that starts off subtly in the TH's.    I think most of us know this pattern from watching reality shows.

What stood out to me because I never noticed it was Bill's nosejob and eye lift (really lower bags) surgery.  Subtle surgery and done well.

Jen's lips might be fuller now, or maybe its just the bright lipsticks she wears and her teeth are a few shades too white.

[Spike]

31 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

From the other thread Bill's old business was mentioned from early seasons.

As another also mentioned recently they watched some earlier seasons.

I youtubed a couple of season one episodes when they were still in N.Y.

They both were so different then, it was an actual reality show.  So, I started noting differences. First off, they are no different at all from the majority of reality people. Its a well traveled (now) and predictable road so many go down.  First the teeth whitening and the makeovers, the bigger home, better cars, trips, more trips, bigger houses, then the bickering that starts off subtly in the TH's.    I think most of us know this pattern from watching reality shows.

What stood out to me because I never noticed it was Bill's nosejob and eye lift (really lower bags) surgery.  Subtle surgery and done well.

Jen's lips might be fuller now, or maybe its just the bright lipsticks she wears and her teeth are a few shades too white.

Some little people have attractive faces, but hers is very odd.  And she grimaces so much.  I always assumed that’s why she spends so much time on her wardrobe  — to distract you from the face.

i think it’s great when a spouse is attracted to their partner, but when Bill goes over the top about how gorgeous she is, it was love at first sight, c’mon.  He’s obviously being Eddie Haskell trying to ingratiate himself with the viewers as super husband.  

Edited December 1, 2018 by Spike

[SMama]

Or he truly feels that way? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

[BitterApple]

Bill had a nose job?! No way, lol, I can't believe I never noticed.

[MMEButterfly]

1 hour ago, Cherrio said:

From the other thread Bill's old business was mentioned from early seasons.

As another also mentioned recently they watched some earlier seasons.

I youtubed a couple of season one episodes when they were still in N.Y.

They both were so different then, it was an actual reality show.  So, I started noting differences. First off, they are no different at all from the majority of reality people. Its a well traveled (now) and predictable road so many go down.  First the teeth whitening and the makeovers, the bigger home, better cars, trips, more trips, bigger houses, then the bickering that starts off subtly in the TH's.    I think most of us know this pattern from watching reality shows.

What stood out to me because I never noticed it was Bill's nosejob and eye lift (really lower bags) surgery.  Subtle surgery and done well.

Jen's lips might be fuller now, or maybe its just the bright lipsticks she wears and her teeth are a few shades too white.

Does anyone know where I could see before and after pictures of Bill's facial surgery? I haven't noticed. 

[Cherrio]

44 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Bill had a nose job?! No way, lol, I can't believe I never noticed.

I  never thought so either, but then I watched a couple of season one episodes and his nose is wider and more bulbous.  If you look at his face now, his nose is a tad slimmer and the tip was tweaked. He also doesn't have those huge under eye bags.  Of course he could be using the old Hollywood method of Preparation H for that.

Wanted to add that I was just watching season one , not looking for evidence so to speak. But I kept looking at Bill and he looked different than he does now,so I studied his face, clothes....etc.   Jen was also a lot more limber then.   She has been thru a lot.

Edited December 1, 2018 by Cherrio

[howiveaddict]

23 hours ago, Cherrio said:

I  never thought so either, but then I watched a couple of season one episodes and his nose is wider and more bulbous.  If you look at his face now, his nose is a tad slimmer and the tip was tweaked. He also doesn't have those huge under eye bags.  Of course he could be using the old Hollywood method of Preparation H for that.

Wanted to add that I was just watching season one , not looking for evidence so to speak. But I kept looking at Bill and he looked different than he does now,so I studied his face, clothes....etc.   Jen was also a lot more limber then.   She has been thru a lot.

Or maybe it's just because he is older. Maybe his face as slimmed.  Maybe he doesn't have the bags, under his eyes, because he doesn't have as much back pain, since his surgery.  

[readheaded]

On 11/30/2018 at 10:06 PM, SMama said:

Or he truly feels that way? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

From reading their book, it seemed like they didn't think they'd find love, so I think they have a keen appreciation for each other.  Who am I to doubt that?  I'd much rather see a couple who seem to love and respect each other than the trainwrecks on "90 Day Fiance."  I also think Bill is a class act for how he treated Jen's hair during and after her cancer.  How much of an ass would he have been to be anything less than supportive about her having short hair once it was growing back in?  Not to mention, Jen may have had legitimate fears that her hair may never have grown back in sufficiently enough to grow it out in a stylish way.  Isn't a husband supposed to build his wife up, especially when she's facing CANCER?

On 12/1/2018 at 10:20 PM, howiveaddict said:

Or maybe it's just because he is older. Maybe his face as slimmed.  Maybe he doesn't have the bags, under his eyes, because he doesn't have as much back pain, since his surgery.  

I couldn't care less if they both had a ton of cosmetic surgery, teeth-whitening, and/or whatever else makes them feel good.  God knows, they've both had enough surgery that just helps them function in life, why should they be shamed for having surgery or whatever, because they want to?

[trackrat59]

Will and Zoey are adorable and I could watch them for hours.  Will might be a slower learner than some but his heart is bigger than most.  That will serve him well throughout life.  Zoey is so stinkin' cute and determined, she'll do just fine too.  Jen and Bill are great parents and no parents are perfect.  The fact that both Will and Zoey have easily adjusted to their new home in St. Pete says a lot.  I recall Jen saying that they are both enjoying school and making new friends.  What more can you ask for from two kids?  I think this is a cool family and their extended family is wonderful too.  (I love Jen's mom)  I'm in the process of moving to the St. Pete area and I think they're about 15 minutes from my new home.  If I ever run into them I would never say a word to them or bother them but I'll be smiling from ear to ear if I get an actual live peak at Will and/or Zoey from a close distance.  

[ginger90]

[winsomeone]

I still don't quite get the set up of their new house. Their living space is the second floor, and the bedrooms and play area are on the third floor? What is the first floor where they temporarily lived now used for then? Where are the washers and dryers? Where will Kate sleep when she stays over night to baby sit? When the kids are in their rooms playing with the doors shut like they seem to do, how does a person on the level below get their attention for, like a meal? Yell up those cavernous stairways, or ride the elevator up to fetch them. They must have a pool keeper, yard man, housekeeper, and probably a cook, and the full time nanny. Couldn't see why they made the kitchen small to suit themselves when I bet neither one seldom cooks in it? The house just seems so impossibly huge for people with mobility problems? Also, considering their size, grocery shopping for the week must be a nightmare? It just seems like they have made their lives worse with this move, not better?

[Foghorn Leghorn]

DITTO!!

[AZChristian]

48 minutes ago, winsomeone said:

When the kids are in their rooms playing with the doors shut like they seem to do, how does a person on the level below get their attention for, like a meal? Yell up those cavernous stairways, or ride the elevator up to fetch them. 

Most houses that big have an intercom system, allowing contact with individual rooms or the whole house.

[lookeyloo]

2 hours ago, AZChristian said:

Most houses that big have an intercom system, allowing contact with individual rooms or the whole house.

Our house is just a regular house but came with one of those intercom systems.  We don't use it.  Once when the grands were here, the oldest one scared the life out of us by using it!!  It could be very useful if the kids don't learn to tune it out.

[BitterApple]

Jen looks lovely in the above picture.

With regards to the house, I don't know. Maybe I need to see it fully decorated, but thus far I'm not feeling it. It's big and ostentatious but lacks character and warmth. Since Kate isn't a live-in nanny, that apartment-style bottom floor is nothing but wasted space. The bazillion different levels and staircases would be a turn-off for me as well. It's too bad they couldn't transplant the Houston house onto that lot because the pool, view and dock are really nice. 

Edited December 4, 2018 by BitterApple

[DkNNy79]

4 hours ago, winsomeone said:

I still don't quite get the set up of their new house. Their living space is the second floor, and the bedrooms and play area are on the third floor? What is the first floor where they temporarily lived now used for then? Where are the washers and dryers? Where will Kate sleep when she stays over night to baby sit? When the kids are in their rooms playing with the doors shut like they seem to do, how does a person on the level below get their attention for, like a meal? Yell up those cavernous stairways, or ride the elevator up to fetch them. They must have a pool keeper, yard man, housekeeper, and probably a cook, and the full time nanny. Couldn't see why they made the kitchen small to suit themselves when I bet neither one seldom cooks in it? The house just seems so impossibly huge for people with mobility problems? Also, considering their size, grocery shopping for the week must be a nightmare? It just seems like they have made their lives worse with this move, not better?

From what I understand the 1st floor is going to be their guest suite.  The kids bedrooms and the main living spaces are on the second floor.  The 3rd floor is just the master bedroom and their office(s).

I was surprised that the kids bedrooms are on a different floor from theirs considering that they are still young.  If I were in their situation that house probably wouldn't have been my first choice but if they are happy with it that's all that matters.

I do like the way its turned out.  I generally like Jen's taste in clothes and décor.

[Mollysmom]

5 hours ago, winsomeone said:

I still don't quite get the set up of their new house. Their living space is the second floor, and the bedrooms and play area are on the third floor? What is the first floor where they temporarily lived now used for then? Where are the washers and dryers? Where will Kate sleep when she stays over night to baby sit? When the kids are in their rooms playing with the doors shut like they seem to do, how does a person on the level below get their attention for, like a meal? Yell up those cavernous stairways, or ride the elevator up to fetch them. They must have a pool keeper, yard man, housekeeper, and probably a cook, and the full time nanny. Couldn't see why they made the kitchen small to suit themselves when I bet neither one seldom cooks in it? The house just seems so impossibly huge for people with mobility problems? Also, considering their size, grocery shopping for the week must be a nightmare? It just seems like they have made their lives worse with this move, not better?

I hate seeing all of these assumptions by people who are not disabled and are just assuming, based on their life view, what they should do. It's their money, their house. Apparently it works for them otherwise they wouldn't have bought it.  And as far as the assumption of the "impossibly huge for people with mobility problems" - again, you have no idea.  Grocery shopping - how do you know it is a nightmare for them? You do know there are other ways of doing things, and I'm sure they are used to it and it is no big deal to them. Having a disability, you just get used to doing things and not thinking about how hard it is. They have had to figure out how to do things differently all their lives, as I have. 

[Talky Tina]

3 hours ago, Mollysmom said:

I hate seeing all of these assumptions by people who are not disabled and are just assuming, based on their life view, what they should do. It's their money, their house. Apparently it works for them otherwise they wouldn't have bought it.  And as far as the assumption of the "impossibly huge for people with mobility problems" - again, you have no idea.  Grocery shopping - how do you know it is a nightmare for them? You do know there are other ways of doing things, and I'm sure they are used to it and it is no big deal to them. Having a disability, you just get used to doing things and not thinking about how hard it is. They have had to figure out how to do things differently all their lives, as I have. 

The people here are not saying anything different than what is said on every thread in every forum on this site.  This couple isn't immune to assumption and criticism even though some seem to think they're so perfect. 

I hate seeing people criticize other's opinions and viewpoints on this show.  These people deserve the criticism and negativity they get because they're no better than any other reality "stars" out there.  They exploit their kids for money and fame just like all the rest.  

[Libby]

2 hours ago, Talky Tina said:

The people here are not saying anything different than what is said on every thread in every forum on this site.  This couple isn't immune to assumption and criticism even though some seem to think they're so perfect. 

I hate seeing people criticize other's opinions and viewpoints on this show.  These people deserve the criticism and negativity they get because they're no better than any other reality "stars" out there.  They exploit their kids for money and fame just like all the rest.  

Yep, Bill and Jen don't get it both ways. They have chosen to make TLC money off of the fact that they are little people. They don't get to then be immune to speculation about how little people adapt.

For the same reason it's disgraceful that this couple that doesn't need the money, puts their kids out there. For greed, they open up their children to the world's opinions. It's not up to the public not to comment on what they see on the show. It's up to the greedy parents to protect their children's privacy.

[SMama]

I would not be surprised if they have their groceries delivered ered, or just oick them up once put together. So many places do that now. Then there’s also Kate. Plenty of ways to get groceries home.

Luckily for my budget I don’t mind grocery shopping. It’s something SBaby and I did together and I miss shopping with my baby who would just pull my blouse down to look at my breasts. She was stealthy that one. I’ll look down to pick up an item and there she was flashing my chest to the darn store. 😂 It was embarrassing but what the heck. 

[winsomeone]

We are encouraged to buy things made in America. Why then, are people  not encouraged to adopt kids that were made in America also? Seems a shame to take kids out of their birth country, and place them into a home where they don't know the language  or culture, and are with strangers who don't look like them at all. A wonder any of them ever assimilate into their new lives. Meanwhile, thousands of kids languish in sometimes not so great foster care here in our country, just praying for a home to call their own.

[readheaded]

1 hour ago, winsomeone said:

We are encouraged to buy things made in America. Why then, are people  not encouraged to adopt kids that were made in America also? Seems a shame to take kids out of their birth country, and place them into a home where they don't know the language  or culture, and are with strangers who don't look like them at all. A wonder any of them ever assimilate into their new lives. Meanwhile, thousands of kids languish in sometimes not so great foster care here in our country, just praying for a home to call their own.

There are lots of people in the US who look like Will and Zoey.  While I’d love for all American children to have loving and stable homes, I think anytime a child (especially one with complex medical needs that may never be addressed and may preclude their adoption) from anywhere is adopted by loving parents, that’s a win for humanity.  Besides, it’s really just none of my business how people build their families. 

[BitterApple]

2 hours ago, winsomeone said:

We are encouraged to buy things made in America. Why then, are people  not encouraged to adopt kids that were made in America also? Seems a shame to take kids out of their birth country, and place them into a home where they don't know the language  or culture, and are with strangers who don't look like them at all. A wonder any of them ever assimilate into their new lives. Meanwhile, thousands of kids languish in sometimes not so great foster care here in our country, just praying for a home to call their own.

The foster care system in the U.S. is a giant clusterfuck. Kids languish for years because courts are slow to terminate parental rights and free them up for adoption. To put it in perspective, I have a cousin who's addicted to heroin. Three out of her five children were born with drugs in their system, yet my aunt and uncle had to fight like hell and drain their savings to get custody. Navigating the system is such a tiring and convoluted process, most prospective adopters probably find it easier to go elsewhere. 

[CousinAmy]

5 hours ago, winsomeone said:

We are encouraged to buy things made in America. Why then, are people  not encouraged to adopt kids that were made in America also? Seems a shame to take kids out of their birth country, and place them into a home where they don't know the language  or culture, and are with strangers who don't look like them at all. A wonder any of them ever assimilate into their new lives. Meanwhile, thousands of kids languish in sometimes not so great foster care here in our country, just praying for a home to call their own.

Children are born, not made. The Kleins chose two children who were extremely disadvantaged  in their own countries, were probably unadoptable in their own countries, and also had similar health concerns, backgrounds and challenges. They did a good thing by bringing them to America where Bill and Jen could see to not only their physical needs, but also their medical needs. We will know when the children grow up if indeed they resent being taken away from the countries where they were born, or appreciative of the efforts it took to bring them here. 

[PrincessPurrsALot]

Posters may praise the Kleins; they may criticize the Kleins.  They may find Zoe the cutest little pumpkin ever; they may find her annoying.  They may hold whatever opinions they like, extreme, moderate or varied, and express those opinions on this forum as long as the posters are talking about this family and others as they appear on this reality TV show.

You do not need to point out that your opinion is "unpopular" if you like or dislike them.  Nor is it ever okay to refer to other posters as either extreme fans or haters.  At PTV, we snark the show; not each other.  

Let's let varying opinions reign!  Back to your regularly scheduled posting.

[libgirl2]

4 hours ago, BitterApple said:

The foster care system in the U.S. is a giant clusterfuck. Kids languish for years because courts are slow to terminate parental rights and free them up for adoption. To put it in perspective, I have a cousin who's addicted to heroin. Three out of her five children were born with drugs in their system, yet my aunt and uncle had to fight like hell and drain their savings to get custody. Navigating the system is such a tiring and convoluted process, most prospective adopters probably find it easier to go elsewhere. 

Or there are cases of mothers changing their minds and coming back to get their kids. I highly doubt Will or Zoey's mother would ever look for them. 

[ginger90]

 

 

[humbleopinion]

Zoey's longer hair is adorbs.

Jen surgery is most likely related to her "little" condition because both she and Bill travel to NYC for the experts and specialists who have been treating them for decades.

They go with who they trust, know their health history and are set up for their specific conditions common for "little" patients.

Jen would want Judy and Dave with her to comfort her and to help Bill with the kids so the adults can tag team and everyone is well cared for during her recovery...

[libgirl2]

5 hours ago, humbleopinion said:

Zoey's longer hair is adorbs.

Jen surgery is most likely related to her "little" condition because both she and Bill travel to NYC for the experts and specialists who have been treating them for decades.

They go with who they trust, know their health history and are set up for their specific conditions common for "little" patients.

Jen would want Judy and Dave with her to comfort her and to help Bill with the kids so the adults can tag team and everyone is well cared for during her recovery...

I read that Jen's surgery is for hip replacement. I wish her well. 

Love Zoey's longer hair! 

[gunderda]

On 12/4/2018 at 11:32 AM, DkNNy79 said:

 

I was surprised that the kids bedrooms are on a different floor from theirs considering that they are still young.  If I were in their situation that house probably wouldn't have been my first choice but if they are happy with it that's all that matters.

It was the same at their Houston house, just opposite. The master was on the main living and the kids' bedrooms were on the 2nd floor. 

[SongbirdHollow]

3 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

I read that Jen's surgery is for hip replacement. I wish her well. 

Love Zoey's longer hair! 

Oh wow, that's major. I can't even imagine having to go through so much.

Agree about the hair!

[SMama]

16 hours ago, SongbirdHollow said:

Oh wow, that's major. I can't even imagine having to go through so much.

Agree about the hair!

She had hip replacement at 27 due to the rigors of med school (36 hour shifts), so this is her second. She said the doctor told her she was close to a catastrophic event. Said it so matter of fact, no woe is me drama a la Matt Roloff. The interview is on People Online.

[BitterApple]

18 minutes ago, SMama said:

She had hip replacement at 27 due to the rigors of med school (36 hour shifts), so this is her second. She said the doctor told her she was close to a catastrophic event. Said it so matter of fact, no woe is me drama a la Matt Roloff. The interview is on People Online.

Wow, two hip replacements? That's rough, the poor thing. Has Jen ever given any indication that she'll eventually have to use a wheelchair? I can't imagine how painful that must be.

[humbleopinion]

Hopefully, she brought her nifty wheelchair to zip around the FL medical center like she had in Houston...

[SMama]

I forgot to mention her first was a double hip replacement. I am looking at knee replacement surgery that I have postponed for five years because I’m a big coward. Jen is quite a remarkable individual. So much for her getting a pass in med school, she’d work 100 hours a week. 

[Quilt Fairy]

I thought Zoey's pixie cut was adorable (and feminine!) and emphasized what big beautiful eyes she has.  When I first saw it short I thought "Wow, she's found a cut she could wear for rest of her life!"  Growing it out like this just hides her face.  I'm not a fan. 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

49 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

I thought Zoey's pixie cut was adorable (and feminine!) and emphasized what big beautiful eyes she has.  When I first saw it short I thought "Wow, she's found a cut she could wear for rest of her life!"  Growing it out like this just hides her face.  I'm not a fan. 

I think it is a bit too long and shaggy now, her bangs hang into her eyes and her hair envelopes her face instead of framing it.  She needs a good hairdresser like the one they had in Houston.  Will’s hair is also not as stylish as it was, hig bangs are cropped off  or something! 

Edited December 13, 2018 by Foghorn Leghorn

[winsomeone]

I like the pixie cut better too. Zoey is so tiny, the long hair makes her seem like all head. I wonder how tall she is, and if she will be tiny like Jen is when fully grown.

[ginger90]

[Libby]

14 minutes ago, winsomeone said:

I like the pixie cut better too. Zoey is so tiny, the long hair makes her seem like all head. I wonder how tall she is, and if she will be tiny like Jen is when fully grown.

I hated the short haircut at first, but I agree now. If they want to keep her hair long, they need a much better hair stylist.

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

I hope it goes well for her.

[Foghorn Leghorn]

48 minutes ago, Absolom said:

I hope it goes well for her.

Yep, Zoey’s Hair looks pretty horrid in this photo!!  LOL. Will needs bangs to minimize his head size...the guy in Houston knew how to cut their hair to flatter them.  

Edited December 14, 2018 by Foghorn Leghorn

[lookeyloo]

Saw on instagram she had a hashtag "hip revision" - isn't her orthopedic dr. in NY?  Or was that Bill's?  Or Same?

[Sew Sumi]

@lookeyloo (not sure why it's not tagging you), the doctor is in NY. Jen posted some pics last week before her surgery. They brought the kids and Jen's parents.

[lookeyloo]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

@lookeyloo (not sure why it's not tagging you), the doctor is in NY. Jen posted some pics last week before her surgery. They brought the kids and Jen's parents.

Thanks!