S06.E16: Tell All Part 1

[Pepper Mostly]

8 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

 

As far as I'm concerned, if a marriage with a foreigner doesn't work out the American spouse should have to pay for their airfare back home, and maybe a little bit of money until they get back on their feet, back home. Nothing more. You don't get to stay here indefinitely. I don't understand our gov't sometimes. 

They're human beings. You can't just return them like they're a purchase from Amazon. Marriages fail all the time. What if a couple is married for 10 years and get divorced? Should the foreign spouse be shipped off home then? 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Pepper Mostly

[Pepper Mostly]

23 minutes ago, rr2911 said:

Sometimes it's better to let the other person go on believing what they're saying is true because it doesn't do any good if the other person has already made up their mind.  Nothing is going to change it.

I agree. Natalie had nothing to gain by getting into a screaming match with Trish. How many times has Trish cornered her and spewed her poison? 

[bichonblitz]

7 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

They're human beings. You can't just return them like they're a purchase from Amazon. Marriages fail all the time. What if a couple is married for 10 years and get divorced? Should the foreign spouse be shipped off home then? 

Then  you go through the divorce process just like any other couple in the US that has been married any length of time. I'm talking about these couples that have been married for less than a minute. 

Edited August 16, 2021 by bichonblitz

[Baltimore Betty]

6 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Tiffany stayed is SA with awful Ronald for 4 months? Couldn't have been that bad. What about Daniel's schooling? There's a lot going on with these two that we don't know about. 

I still want to know why Mikull has not been approved for his VISA. What did he do that was so bad?  Why is nobody asking that question? 

As far as I'm concerned, if a marriage with a foreigner doesn't work out the American spouse should have to pay for their airfare back home, and maybe a little bit of money until they get back on their feet, back home. Nothing more. You don't get to stay here indefinitely. I don't understand our gov't sometimes. 

I wondered about Tiffany of the Cold Shoulders staying 4 months in that hostile environment, exposing her kids to a chaotic household.

Michael will probably never be allowed in to the US mostly because Angela will not file the paperwork, she likes the current arrangement of having a carrot on a stick for Michael to reach for then fail, Angela likes having him on tender hooks and him willing to put up with anything to try to get here.

Short term marriages that don't work out or is obvious fraud I think those imports do get sent back if they never got their provisional status, I am just pissed at the class of people that get to stay here and offer nothing to society, nobody seems to have any marketable skills.

 

[Frozendiva]

8 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

I agree. Natalie had nothing to gain by getting into a screaming match with Trish. How many times has Trish cornered her and spewed her poison? 

If both cannot communicate with each other in a healthy, respectful, mutual, honest manner, why bother? Neither Trish nor Natalie will change. Trish is Natalie is a bad Ukrainian only interested in coming to the US and taking advantage of her precious son.

Trish can grow her bangs a couple of months and visit a hairstylist to get a modern hairstyle. Not all women like or wear makeup but some may wear some lip gloss or tinted lip balm.

People aren't Amazon packages that get delivered and you decide you don't like it. They end up in the dump or some reseller. Some of these folks met their loves online or on vacation or whatever. They saw a certain side of them through their own filters. The 90 days of getting to know the other person is not the idea. Half this cast doesn't really know each other. Jovi only saw the vacation Yara and not the everyday drudge Yara. Having a baby that soon wasn't part of the plan. Brandon saw the exotic Julia but probably didn't spend much time with her except vacation time.  Both on their best behavior. Natalie and Mike apparently met through a mutual friend. Tiffany met Ronald on a vacation.

You'd hope they all have the same real motivation to find a life partner. You don't really know. After the marriage, things can change. Your expectations don't live up to reality. Sometimes you do get a scammer who is only in it for the Green Card. Sometimes you do get the real deal who wants to make a life with you but you treat them badly.  Sometimes these folks play the role of someone else and once you get married, they do a 180.  As does the American. These folks come here, make a life for themselves and they are to go home to their country because they weren't what you wanted, they weren't your indentured servant that you gave them no clue about, you ended up abusing them, you used them to get a hot partner, or whatever. And it works both ways. 

Seems like more than half of these folks are in poorly thought out marriages and now have to deal with whatever consequence they bring. And most of them seem to live in glass houses.

 

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3 hours ago, maxmama said:

er insulting rant about only going there to visit her dog must have stung a little.  

Does the dog live outside at the farm?  If it has to go outside every hour wouldn’t that be an issue if it lived in the house as well as at the apartment?

[Gobi]

9 minutes ago, MrBuhBye said:

Does the dog live outside at the farm?  If it has to go outside every hour wouldn’t that be an issue if it lived in the house as well as at the apartment?

It probably is outside in a cage or doghouse at the farm.

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I bet Ron has a type of cancer that he views as “embarrassing” — such as prostate or testicular.  Prostate cancer is very common and if caught early treatable.

[Matty]

I started watching 90 Day Fiance during its first iteration. Then it started deteriorating after the first couple of seasons and all the various spinoffs. I can barely watch anymore. I tuned in late to the tell-all last night because, I admit, I was curious what would happen this time as they always pull out all the stops for these extravaganzas. All I can say is when Angela flashed her new breasts to the cameras the show has totally jumped the shark and I believe it has hit its nadir now. Won't be watching this manufactured circus anymore.

[jacksgirl]

Couldn't watch last pm, but have devoured all comments. Sure sounds like Natalie got piled on by the others.  Yes, her English is good, but it always bothers me on this show when there's an argument/discussion and one or more involved have English as a second (or third) language. Seems unfair. Now the Poshasts (sp) second language is curse words as is Angela's. 

[Gypsy Blue]

7 minutes ago, MrBuhBye said:

Does the dog live outside at the farm?  If it has to go outside every hour wouldn’t that be an issue if it lived in the house as well as at the apartment?

I lived in the country until my house burned down.  I had to stay in a hotel for awhile, and my dog did not get along with other dogs.  Trying to get the dog down the stairs or the elevator and then out to do his thing without encountering another dog was more stressful than the house burning down.  He only had to go out twice a day, but it was stressful enough that I sent him to stay elsewhere until I found a more suitable place to live.

Apartment living sucks with a dog.  It's a whole other ballgame when you can't just let them out the door like you can on a farm, but they should have taken that into consideration when finding a new place to live.

[magemaud]

1 hour ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

But dang, Trish is really unattractive. 

Trish is Mike in a mullet wig

[magemaud]

4 hours ago, kristen111 said:

Who’s five months pregnant?  Julia or Yara?  Nobody likes condoms, but we use them.

My money's on Kalani. After all, she's not slut people. 

[Breedom]

There is something profoundly wrong with Angela's brain. She needs more help then just anger management. The other 90-day-ers seem to mostly support her and someone needs to clearly call her out. I imagine they don't want to also be screamed at so there is her power. Poor Mikul. He is a nice guy who is always apologizing to her in order to try to keep the peace. He has nothing to apologize for. And what is this about her doctor calling her to join his birthday party all the way in Calif? WHAT? Why would a very attractive, successful, wealthy doctor be interested in her? Something is fishy here. Besides that, what doctor would contact a patient to come party with him?

Natalie and her "what I went through" comment. Yes, you left your country for Mike and that was a big thing. But from that point on it was mostly YOUR behavior, Natalie, that got you in the position you are in. And Mike, continuing to be a doormat giving her free reign of his credit card. If he has to support her, at least just pay for her necessities and that's it. Unfortunately, he still loves her. What he sees in her I just don't know.

I highly doubt Uncle Beau snuck into Mike's home and stole all of Natalie's jewelry and pawned it. Why hadn't we heard of this before? I don't remember Mike trying to defend him, and I think he should have said something. But we just won't know because Mike won't share his feelings/thoughts for the most part on anything.

[Opine]

5 hours ago, Almost 3000 said:

Yes, yes yes. Probably the creepiest thing I've seen and really more like B-movie horror characters expressions than reality show parents.

I think the parents are grinning and laughing because they know Brandon will come home now that daddy is sick.  That's sick!

[Opine]

4 hours ago, maxmama said:

I actually thought Angela, for all her faults, hit the nail on the head when she jumped on Natalie for her forever-victim attitude.  We all know Mike is no prize, but something is off about Natalie.  She constantly provokes, then claims she is a victim of Mike.  I give him zero excuses for his own conduct, but nine times out of ten she is the instigator.  When Trish came out and gave her her a dressing-down, it was well deserved, IMO.  

Beautifully said.....

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45 minutes ago, Gypsy Blue said:

I lived in the country until my house burned down.  I had to stay in a hotel for awhile, and my dog did not get along with other dogs.  Trying to get the dog down the stairs or the elevator and then out to do his thing without encountering another dog was more stressful than the house burning down.  He only had to go out twice a day, but it was stressful enough that I sent him to stay elsewhere until I found a more suitable place to live.

Apartment living sucks with a dog.  It's a whole other ballgame when you can't just let them out the door like you can on a farm, but they should have taken that into consideration when finding a new place to live.

Yeah but Julia said that the dog had to go out every hour in the middle of the night.  Unless it’s incontinent that is unusual.

[Gypsy Blue]

4 minutes ago, MrBuhBye said:

Yeah but Julia said that the dog had to go out every hour in the middle of the night.  Unless it’s incontinent that is unusual.

I assumed she was exaggerating for effect or she just doesn't understand that dogs don't really have to pee that often.  Possible that Brandon told her that as an excuse not to bring the dog to the apartment.

[Kath94]

Why did Natalie, who had never been to the United States before, move across the country to Florida?  Did she know someone there?  Is she staying with them?  What's the scoop?  I thought her "only friend in the country" was Juliana of the head bands in Seattle.  Why didn't she move THERE to get away from Mike?  There's something fishy there.

[TazDevil]

5 minutes ago, Kath94 said:

Why did Natalie, who had never been to the United States before, move across the country to Florida?  Did she know someone there?  Is she staying with them?  What's the scoop?  I thought her "only friend in the country" was Juliana of the head bands in Seattle.  Why didn't she move THERE to get away from Mike?  There's something fishy there.

I think she picked a place in the Continental US that's the absolute furthest away from Sequim.

[Opine]

43 minutes ago, Breedom said:

Natalie and her "what I went through" comment. Yes, you left your country for Mike and that was a big thing. But from that point on it was mostly YOUR behavior, Natalie, that got you in the position you are in. And Mike, continuing to be a doormat giving her free reign of his credit card. If he has to support her, at least just pay for her necessities and that's it. Unfortunately, he still loves her. What he sees in her I just don't know.

I highly doubt Uncle Beau snuck into Mike's home and stole all of Natalie's jewelry and pawned it. Why hadn't we heard of this before? I don't remember Mike trying to defend him, and I think he should have said something. But we just won't know because Mike won't share his feelings/thoughts for the most part on anything.

Yep, agree on all counts.  I know this isn't PT, but the PT-ers generally think the same thing.  Mike is an oaf, but he loved her.  And she just toys with him like a cat toys with a mouse before killing it........

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15 minutes ago, Kath94 said:

Why did Natalie, who had never been to the United States before, move across the country to Florida?  Did she know someone there?  Is she staying with them?  What's the scoop?  I thought her "only friend in the country" was Juliana of the head bands in Seattle.  Why didn't she move THERE to get away from Mike?  There's something fishy there.

There is a sizeable Russian population in the Miami area, but not sure about Ukrainian.

[magemaud]

18 minutes ago, Kath94 said:

Why did Natalie, who had never been to the United States before, move across the country to Florida?  Did she know someone there? 

I read she's living in the Tampa area. Now, who else do we know who lives there...

[Pepper Mostly]

4 minutes ago, Opine said:

Mike is an oaf, but he loved her.  And she just toys with him like a cat toys with a mouse before killing it........

Natalie toyed with Mike? He brought her here, even though he didn't want to. He refused to say whether or not he'd marry her the whole 90 days. He held that ring over her head and laughed at her. He bought a one way ticket to France in the middle of COVID and proposed to just send her there and have her make her way to the closed border of Ukraine as best she could. He tried to get an immigration lawyer to find him a workaround so Natalie could stay in the country (because of COVID) but they wouldn't have to get married.  He cancelled the wedding the day before it was scheduled to happen. If that's love, I'll take indifference. 

Natalie's a mess. But Mike is a cruel bastard who delighted in causing her pain. Now he's drooping around, whinging about her, meanwhile he's already dating. 

[Rt66vintage]

On 8/14/2021 at 12:52 PM, magemaud said:

Angela was definitely the Lady in Red and she still has quite a gut perched on top of her skinny bird legs. 

Angela, intentionally arriving late and making a big entrance: “Here I come, bitches. Hold on to your husbands!” 

and to Sequim Mike, “I hear you’re single now...” (I think they deserve each other!) 

 

 

18 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

How do you lose 106 lbs. and end up looking worse than before? That big belly, flat ass and back fat, Oh lort. I'm still trying to figure out why she got that dreadful tattoo on her one tittie implant. Pulling that fake ponytail tightly off her face was an assault to my eyes. Has she had a facelift yet? I couldn't tell. 

Thank you, ladies, for the picture. I'd not seen it until now. Does Angela not have a mirror? This is the most hideous outfit on a fat girl in the history of outfits. Why didn't someone, her daughter, a producer, anyone suggest she wear something different? Is Angela's entire circle of friends and family afraid to be honest with her?

Does Angela think she looks good? Will she burn this "dress" after she sees herself on TV? It so happens that I usually retire a shirt or a color after I see a picture of myself. Would Spanx be helpful here?

I'm sorry, it's so flabbergasting that she thinks she's hot, and in shiny hooker red! What Not to Wear indeed. 

[CrazyInAlabama]

Angela's daughter has worse taste than Angela does, shown by that hideous dress she was wearing.     

Natalie's dress was nice.   Julia's dress or whatever it was, was awful too.   

[nytonc]

Why why why do they give disgusting, foul-mouthed, trash bag, hosebeast  Angela camera time strutting in like she’s on a runway in Bryant Park??  NOBODY wants to see that pig! 

[greekmom]

Let's unpack shall we?

First the mess that is Natalie and Mike.  The castmates must really hate Natalie more than Mike.  Last time they were siding with Mike when he slept over his female best friend's while he and Natalie were together and now they are STILL siding with Mike when he and Natalie are seriously separated and she went out to a freaking dinner with some dude AND Jovi and Yara.   Next we were promised that Hookergate would be resolved and damn, I still want to see the footage from the conversation one way or another (I still think that Trish the bitch said it).  After, they were all shitting because Natalie has access to Mike's bank card. We don't know what their arrangement is and Mike would know what Natalie is taking out and spending so Mike shouldn't act like a victim. If there was an issue with his bank card and/or his money withdrawal, he is a big boy and he should have noticed it.  Personally I think Mike is giving her money from the show because without her no one will want Mike alone.
Trish can go fuck herself. 

Damn, whatever weight Angela lost, Tiffany found.  I cannot believe that heifer stayed 4 months with Ronald.  These two just need to call it quits.

Julia needs to stay in her fucking lane. We know she wants as much screen time as she can get. I dont get whats so fucking important about the farm. It's a DOOMSDAY HOBBY FARM. It's not their source of income. If they cannot handle the property just freaking sell it.  I don't buy Ron's illness unless it's erectile dysfunction and he cannot get a hold of Viagra. They are the most manipulative people I have seen and I wonder what the situation is with the Ron's other kids.  Julia must be something magical in the sack. That is all.

Lastly, *sigh* Angela. I've said this on twitter and I will say it here. If Andrei and any other guy on the show showed his penis, he would be gone faster than he can say Matt Sharp. Angela lives in a fucking fantasy world.  The doctor was just being courteous and would not fuck her unless he was 20 sheets to the wind or heavily medicated. I wish Micheal can find some pretty young Nigerian gal and show her off and tell Angela to go fuck herself but I bet like Asuelu, no one wants Michael in Nigeria like no one would want Asuelu in Samoa. Regardless, Angela did gaslight Michael about the baby when she knew it was never going to happen. I dont buy her bullshit about doing the surgery for her health.  If she really wanted to get healthy she would also stop smoking. Angela thrives on the notoriety. Even though she looks like the Penguin from Batman, she thinks she can get some young ass in the States without having to dangle the green card. You keep dreaming granny. you keep dreaming.

[winsomeone]

Tiffany and Kalani both have mothers. I find it strange that neither woman tells her daughter to cover up her breasts? It just seems rather unusual for these young women to let it all hang out like they do. I never see anything like that no matter where I go to?

[Opine]

30 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Natalie toyed with Mike? He brought her here, even though he didn't want to. He refused to say whether or not he'd marry her the whole 90 days. He held that ring over her head and laughed at her. He bought a one way ticket to France in the middle of COVID and proposed to just send her there and have her make her way to the closed border of Ukraine as best she could. He tried to get an immigration lawyer to find him a workaround so Natalie could stay in the country (because of COVID) but they wouldn't have to get married.  He cancelled the wedding the day before it was scheduled to happen. If that's love, I'll take indifference. 

Natalie's a mess. But Mike is a cruel bastard who delighted in causing her pain. Now he's drooping around, whinging about her, meanwhile he's already dating. 

Well, that's what this board is for, right?  Our opinions!  I can't stand her so I sound like I like him..... you can't stand him so you sound like you like her.  IRL we are probably closer in our opinions than we sound.  Or maybe not :)

[greekmom]

51 minutes ago, Opine said:

Yep, agree on all counts.  I know this isn't PT, but the PT-ers generally think the same thing.  Mike is an oaf, but he loved her.  And she just toys with him like a cat toys with a mouse before killing it........

They are both just plain crazy but....

Natalie never toyed with Mike but I think Mike gas lit Natalie. Natalie only want to get married. After the previous tell all, Mike still brought Natalie over and married her because he was caught between a rock and hard place. 

That's my two cents.

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19 minutes ago, winsomeone said:

Tiffany and Kalani both have mothers. I find it strange that neither woman tells her daughter to cover up her breasts? It just seems rather unusual for these young women to let it all hang out like they do. I never see anything like that no matter where I go to?

They are trying to draw the eyes away from the stomachs.

[Elizzikra]

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All I can say is when Angela flashed her new breasts to the cameras

Anyone else think that's why she chose that outfit? She probably practiced the boob flashing in advance...

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Yeah but Julia said that the dog had to go out every hour in the middle of the night.  Unless it’s incontinent that is unusual.

I doubt the dog had to go out every hour. I think it maybe wanted to go out every hour and tried to wake her up to go out. My dogs spend all day going in and out as long as someone is near the door to let them. They just like outside - and Julia's dog was used to life on a farm, where it probably was outside all the time. I doubt Julia spent any time training the dog to actually sleep through the night.

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I think the parents are grinning and laughing because they know Brandon will come home now that daddy is sick.  That's sick!

Pot is legal in Virginia now. I think they were both stoned.

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Tiffany and Kalani both have mothers. I find it strange that neither woman tells her daughter to cover up her breasts?

Maybe their mothers just don't think it's appropriate to tell a grown woman what to wear, offspring or not?

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Julia's dress or whatever it was, was awful too.   

I didn't like it but it was appropriate. I will never understand why women on reality tv shows always dress like they are going to the Grammy's for these tell-alls. 

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He refused to say whether or not he'd marry her the whole 90 days.

I actually sort of gave him credit for that. I don't think he really knew if he could marry her or not and I think he always knew on some level that their marriage was doomed. I don't think that he knew all along that he would marry her at the last minute and he just chose to drag it out; I think he genuinely didn't think he could do it. I would have more respect for him, though, if he hadn't married her - though COVID really did put them both in an untenable position. She couldn't stay without getting married; she (as I understand it) couldn't go back to Ukraine. The only choices those two had were bad ones (not that I think they're blameless).

[My Girls]

41 minutes ago, MrBuhBye said:

They are trying to draw the eyes away from the stomachs.

It seems to have worked!

[Dobian]

1 hour ago, TazDevil said:

I think she picked a place in the Continental US that's the absolute furthest away from Sequim.

And the furthest away in temperature.

[Lurk]

Oops wrong thread. Moving response,.

Edited August 17, 2021 by Lurk
wrong thread

[Maximadc]

2 hours ago, Opine said:

Yep, agree on all counts.  I know this isn't PT, but the PT-ers generally think the same thing.  Mike is an oaf, but he loved her.  And she just toys with him like a cat toys with a mouse before killing it........

I’m confused… Mike waited until the very last day of her visa to marry her, and there was no way she could leave this country during the lockdown. That was so cold! I’m not sure any loving person can do such a torture!

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Maximadc

[Adeejay]

5 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

I agree. Natalie had nothing to gain by getting into a screaming match with Trish. How many times has Trish cornered her and spewed her poison? 

Only, instead of going to the green room with the other participants during the break, Natalie crossed the room, approached Miss Trish and said, "I don't hate you."  I was very surprised, given their testy exchange minutes earlier.

[TwirlyGirly]

2 hours ago, winsomeone said:

Tiffany and Kalani both have mothers. I find it strange that neither woman tells her daughter to cover up her breasts? It just seems rather unusual for these young women to let it all hang out like they do. I never see anything like that no matter where I go to?

Tiffany and Kalani are adults (and are mothers themselves) who choose and pay for their own clothing. Their mothers no longer have any authority over how they dress.

[JeanJean]

9 hours ago, Nancybeth said:

I'm really over this entire cast, and if I never saw them again on a 90 Day fiance spinoff it would be too soon. There's really not one couple I enjoy watching and root for!

Seriously, every season needs a Kenneth & Armando or Loren & Alexei! Sometimes couples end up coming across better suited and more loving on Pillow talk -- like Annie & Robert and Annie & David -- but I can't imagine that with any of these couples.

Edited August 17, 2021 by JeanJean

[gingerella]

5 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I still want to know why Mikull has not been approved for his VISA. What did he do that was so bad?  Why is nobody asking that question? 

Because the reason is obvious, it's because he's Nigerian and Nigeria is the epicenter of the planet for scammers, and especially for visa scammers. It's so bad that I had a friend there when I was on a work assignment in Abuja, and she was married to a Nigerian American. They got married and they were trying to get her a visa to come to the States permanently and she went for an interview at the US Embassy one day and when she came back she was very upset. I asked her how it went and she was really down because she said it was obvious from the questions they were asking her, they thought her husband was actually her brother running a scam to bring the rest of his family to the USA because that's one of the scams. The other thing is my friend was a highly skilled person, Michael offers nada to the USA. He brings with him zero work skills to contribute to the economy and/or country and they look at things like that when they're making determinations. And not for nothing but this show doesn't help their cause. It's clear Angela is a racist piece of shit and she's abusive to boot. And Michael, for all his sticking to his script that he loves Angie and would be happy with her living in Nigeria with him, I think the only reason he puts up with her is because he wants to come to the USA. I have never bought his 'true love' bullshit because LOOK AT HER. She is beyond disgusting, both inside and out. And after losing 100+ pounds, to me she's even uglier.

[Mrs. Hanson]

3 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Natalie toyed with Mike? He brought her here, even though he didn't want to. He refused to say whether or not he'd marry her the whole 90 days. He held that ring over her head and laughed at her. He bought a one way ticket to France in the middle of COVID and proposed to just send her there and have her make her way to the closed border of Ukraine as best she could. He tried to get an immigration lawyer to find him a workaround so Natalie could stay in the country (because of COVID) but they wouldn't have to get married.  He cancelled the wedding the day before it was scheduled to happen. If that's love, I'll take indifference. 

Natalie's a mess. But Mike is a cruel bastard who delighted in causing her pain. Now he's drooping around, whinging about her, meanwhile he's already dating. 

And got his mom involved in the pile on.  That gives it an extra dimension of grinding the glass into the hand.

1 hour ago, Elizzikra said:

I actually sort of gave him credit for that. I don't think he really knew if he could marry her or not and I think he always knew on some level that their marriage was doomed.

Then he should have told her to not come over on the visa.  The 90 days is to plan a wedding because you KNOW you want to marry the other person.  Not trying them on for size.

[Elizzikra]

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Then he should have told her to not come over on the visa.  The 90 days is to plan a wedding because you KNOW you want to marry the other person.  Not trying them on for size.

On this we agree - the 90 day period is to plan a wedding, not grow the relationship to marriage level. And for that, the visa could be a lot shorter; there is only a need for them to get married, not plan a lavish wedding.

Having said that, I think it's the case that, had they not used the approved visa, it's unlikely they would have gotten another and I don't think that either one of them wanted to give up on the relationship (such that it was) at that time. So I think Mike went forward with having Natalie come to the US with some feelings of love and intentions of marriage and planning to figure it out for certain (as do most couples on this show). I also think Natalie had every intention of and confidence in changing Mike into a health conscious, vegetarian teetoteler. Then COVID hit and she was stuck here and they clearly weren't getting along...

[Dobian]

6 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

I think the number of commenters here is just a small fraction of the total number of viewers for the show. TPTB at TLC don't pay any attention to us, I'm assuming. They are more concerned with total viewership as that drives revenue. 

This show is consistently the number one show on cable outside of cable news and sports shows.  What a sad commentary on all of us lol.

[Lurk]

7 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

It was Angela herself!  She was all Yay! when Tiffany said she was getting the same surgery Angela had, and then started pissing on her parade.

I thought she was having a nip slip.  And I'm not sure she looks worse than before, but it's definitely no better.  Same shit, different pile.

She clearly has a lot of loose skin, and I wonder if she spanxed up the loose skin on her belly.  The protrusion looked really tightly bound.

During a break, she was even eating something out of a what looks like a vending machine bag for potato chips.

 

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It looked like she had a pack of Marlboro reds in the same hand as the bag of chips. I noticed because it was kind of blurred out. So still pigging out and smoking.

[Lurk]

6 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

Does the dog live outside at the farm?  If it has to go outside every hour wouldn’t that be an issue if it lived in the house as well as at the apartment?

Since they run some sort of puppy mill in addition to having all the other farm animals, I would imagine the dogs would have some kind of pen or outbuilding.

It is different having a dog in a house or an apartment when it comes to outside breaks. A lot easier to open a door and let them out to do their business than having to leash them up and go walk around outside with them.

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38 minutes ago, Lurk said:

Since they run some sort of puppy mill in addition to having all the other farm animals, I would imagine the dogs would have some kind of pen or outbuilding.

It is different having a dog in a house or an apartment when it comes to outside breaks. A lot easier to open a door and let them out to do their business than having to leash them up and go walk around outside with them.

I live in a city so people with houses still go outside with the dog so it won’t be stolen.

[Frozendiva]

5 hours ago, greekmom said:

They are both just plain crazy but....

Natalie never toyed with Mike but I think Mike gas lit Natalie. Natalie only want to get married. After the previous tell all, Mike still brought Natalie over and married her because he was caught between a rock and hard place. 

That's my two cents.

Covid ruined everything. He probably planned to ship her back the week before the visa expired.

4 hours ago, Dobian said:

And the furthest away in temperature.

Warmer, less grey skies, cold rain that goes through you. California is a better choice but very expensive. Might help her breathing issues.

[Frozendiva]

1 hour ago, Lurk said:

Since they run some sort of puppy mill in addition to having all the other farm animals, I would imagine the dogs would have some kind of pen or outbuilding.

It is different having a dog in a house or an apartment when it comes to outside breaks. A lot easier to open a door and let them out to do their business than having to leash them up and go walk around outside with them.

Some folks let the dog do its business on the balcony and either clean it up later or in other cases, let it sit. They may not have a balcony.

[magemaud]

8 hours ago, nytonc said:

Why why why do they give disgusting, foul-mouthed, trash bag, hosebeast  Angela camera time strutting in like she’s on a runway in Lane Bryant Park ???  NOBODY wants to see that pig! 

FTFY

I cracked up when she flounced off the set and attempted to dramatically toss her shawl over her shoulder. 

Edited August 17, 2021 by magemaud