Who, What, When, Where?!: Miscellaneous Celebrity News 2.0

[Anduin]

58 minutes ago, Danielg342 said:

I never thought I would see the day. I also wonder, with everything that is swirling around him, if there is more that will come out in the days/weeks/months ahead:

Vince McMahon announces his retirement - TSN.ca

Uh huh. We'll see how long it lasts. But I wonder if this is just an attempt to get away from the investigation.

But at the same time, his daughter is still in charge. Most likely she'll be listening to his instructions. We aren't going to see major changes any time soon.

[AgentRXS]

I mean, selling a sexual imagery has been a part of Britney’s career since she was 16 years old. She, like Madonna, used sexual imagery to gain attention for decades. Just because they reach an age where the public feels like they should stop, doesn’t mean they feel they should stop. In Britney’s case, this is what she was taught since her formative years. When she was a kid, the adults were outraged. Now she’s an adult, and her peers are outraged. The only difference is now she is supposedly in control of her image.To me, she is looking for attention in one of the ways most familiar to her.

ETA: I had no idea Vince was nearly 80. Wow, time flies. I feel like he’s looked nearly the same my whole life. Yeah, I’m sure its probably the allegations and he will just run things through Stephanie.

[Danielg342]

19 minutes ago, Anduin said:

Uh huh. We'll see how long it lasts. But I wonder if this is just an attempt to get away from the investigation.

But at the same time, his daughter is still in charge. Most likely she'll be listening to his instructions. We aren't going to see major changes any time soon.

Yeah, I'm with you on that one. Vince's statement did include a reminder that he's WWE's largest shareholder, so I doubt he will step away from WWE entirely.

...but, not having any official titles anymore may mean his influence may be reduced. There will be a transition period for sure and hopefully WWE will come out better for it.

17 minutes ago, AgentRXS said:

I had no idea Vince was nearly 80. Wow, time flies. I feel like he’s looked nearly the same my whole life.

Steroids are some kind of drugs, aren't they?

[Cobalt Stargazer]

7 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Britney.  Please, honey.  Where is her husband?

5 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Didn't 61-year-old Christopher Meloni go nude for a Peloton ad just a week or two ago? Why is what Britney's doing any more scandalous?

Oh, wait...

So Britney Spears can be naked but Christopher Meloni can't because he's old? Why do either one of them have to be naked?

[Makai]

9 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

So Britney Spears can be naked but Christopher Meloni can't because he's old?

That is absolutely not the point being made in that post. 

9 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

Why do either one of them have to be naked?

Because they want to. Why does anyone think that their comfort level with the human body should be a factor in what other people do? I could see if we were talking about photos that actually showed everything and a person was forced to see them. But that’s not the case in either instance. 

[Cinnabon]

24 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

So Britney Spears can be naked but Christopher Meloni can't because he's old? Why do either one of them have to be naked?

They can both pose naked if they wish, and neither needs permission from their spouse or anyone else. 

[Wiendish Fitch]

5 minutes ago, Makai said:

That is absolutely not the point being made in that post. 

Because they want to. Why does anyone think that their comfort level with the human body should be a factor in what other people do? I could see if we were talking about photos that actually showed everything and a person was forced to see them. But that’s not the case in either instance. 

Spears and Meloni are consenting adults who willingly posed naked. I wasn't trying to be ageist earlier, but I think some of the grumblings against Spears are rooted in ageism, considering she turned 40 last year. We live in a world where women get older, men get younger.

Let me be clear: I don't give a shit who poses nude, because I am also an adult blessed with autonomy, and I can simply choose to ignore nude photos, nudity on film, whatever.

[RealHousewife]

Britney has never liked clothes. Many years ago she said when she was little she’d walk around the house naked, and her dad told her to cover up once she got to a certain age. IRC, I don’t think he was a fan of what she wore in her teen years either, but Lynn always defended it. She said it was glamour, and that if she wore Britney’s age and had her figure, she’d dress the same way.

Whatever your opinion of it is, it’s Britney being Britney. Not like Adele suddenly ditching her clothes. 

[SuprSuprElevated]

5 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Britney.  Please, honey.  Where is her husband?

Behind the camera. 

[Irlandesa]

1 hour ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Spears and Meloni are consenting adults who willingly posed naked. I wasn't trying to be ageist earlier, but I think some of the grumblings against Spears are rooted in ageism, considering she turned 40 last year. We live in a world where women get older, men get younger.

I think it might be a bit of ageism.  But I also get the sense that society is more accepting of selling the implied/coy teenage sexuality of women (as long as she's not actually having sex), than they are of that same woman outright owning her sexuality. 

Even though the former usually happens at a more vulnerable time in their careers, when they're following the recommendations of their label and the latter typically happens once they've reached a certain level of power in their careers. 

[AgentRXS]

I think it also has a lot to do with society’s unrealistic expectations of mothers. There are a lot of “Won’t she think of her kids?” comments under her IG posts.  Which is nonsense since everyone has Google and her risque shoots from yesteryear have been available for years for them and their friends to see. Some people think mothers should be prude saints for the sake of their kids. I feel like its on Britney alone to decide to have conversations about her social media with her kids. I don’t care what anyone does on their social media as long as they don’t harm kids or animals.

[Kel Varnsen]

3 hours ago, Danielg342 said:

Yeah, I'm with you on that one. Vince's statement did include a reminder that he's WWE's largest shareholder, so I doubt he will step away from WWE entirely.

...but, not having any official titles anymore may mean his influence may be reduced. There will be a transition period for sure and hopefully WWE will come out better for it.

Ya having the controlling amount of shares, I am pretty sure means he can name the CEO. And if the CEO he picks (Stephanie at this point) doesn't do what he likes, he can just appoint someone else.

[Annber03]

10 minutes ago, AgentRXS said:

I think it also has a lot to do with society’s unrealistic expectations of mothers. There are a lot of “Won’t she think of her kids?” comments under her IG posts.  Which is nonsense since everyone has Google and her risque shoots from yesteryear have been available for years for them and their friends to see. Some people think mothers should be prude saints for the sake of their kids. I feel like its on Britney alone to decide to have conversations about her social media with her kids. I don’t care what anyone does on their social media as long as they don’t harm kids or animals.

And it's certainly not like Britney's the first mother to do something like this, either. I guarantee there are plenty of your average everyday moms out there who put out similar kinds of photos online. They're just not famous, so, y'know, their every move isn't being scrutinized all over the place like Britney's is. 

[GaT]

I don't care who poses nude, but to me the big difference between Christopher Meloni doing it & Britney Spears doing it is that Christopher Meloni is getting paid. Britney is just throwing it out there for free. If she wants to get naked, she should get an Only Fans account & monetize it. 

[Cinnabon]

48 minutes ago, GaT said:

I don't care who poses nude, but to me the big difference between Christopher Meloni doing it & Britney Spears doing it is that Christopher Meloni is getting paid. Britney is just throwing it out there for free. If she wants to get naked, she should get an Only Fans account & monetize it. 

She hardly needs the money. Not everything needs to be monetized, imo.

Edited July 23, 2022 by Cinnabon

[DearEvette]

I honestly don't think those photos of Britney are that bad or deserves their own Page Six expose.  She's mostly showing her back in one, and in one where she is lying down it is similar to what you would see of someone sunbathing on a beach.  I think we see more of women's bodies on the red carpet sometimes. Also if you peep her Insta, Britney has been posting topless or near naked photos of herself way before these.

26 minutes ago, GaT said:

I don't care who poses nude, but to me the big difference between Christopher Meloni doing it & Britney Spears doing it is that Christopher Meloni is getting paid. Britney is just throwing it out there for free. If she wants to get naked, she should get an Only Fans account & monetize it. 

Then people would call her a 'ho or think her husband was pimping her out. 

[Annber03]

10 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

I honestly don't think those photos of Britney are that bad or deserves their own Page Six expose.

Even after her conservatorship ends, people still feel the need to try and tell her how she should live her life. Ironic, isn't it? 

[MsTree]

Agree Britney should do whatever she wants with her body including posing nude. The problem might be is that's all she seems to do lately. 

[SnapHappy]

There are few topics LESS interesting to me than a 40 year-old woman THAT thirsty for attention.   Writhing naked on a bed is fine.  It's just been done SO much better by so many other women. Too late, honey. 

What is she even doing professionally and who actually is her audience these days?  Teen girls?  Doubtful.  Twenty-something guys?  Also doubtful.  40 year-old women?  Maybe.  Sleazy old guys?  Probably...... 

11 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Even after her conservatorship ends, people still feel the need to try and tell her how she should live her life. Ironic, isn't it? 

Everybody tries to tell everybody how to live.  This is nothing new. 

Edited July 23, 2022 by SnapHappy

[AgentRXS]

Her audience is a most likely a group of 40 and 30 somethings that grew up on her and love late 90s/early 00 nostalgia. But she isn’t used to that. She is used to being the pinup poster girl for heterosexual men. 

[Blergh]

FWIW, adults of both genders can volunteer to be in the altogether in the privacy of their own abodes (as long as there is no violence, abuse or crimes happening) but that doesn't mean anyone else has to look if they don't want to-  much less like it. 

Count me as someone with no interest in either Miss Spears's latest photo spread or Mr. Meloni's product pitch. 

BTW, I wonder if either of them would be in the altogether again in front of a camera if the majority reaction was 'Meh. Nothing new under the sun. Who cares?'

[Annber03]

40 minutes ago, Blergh said:

BTW, I wonder if either of them would be in the altogether again in front of a camera if the majority reaction was 'Meh. Nothing new under the sun. Who cares?'

I guess that's the thing - that's the reason people like Britney (or Chris Meloni) or other celebrities do this kind of stuff. Because they know they're getting a reaction of some kind, be it good or bad. If people just didn't comment on it at all one way or another, they'd stop doing it. 

And indeed, people don't have to like or get why someone does something like that. It's just the fact that seemingly everything Britney's doing comes with some kind of judgmental scrutiny by the public, compared to other people, that strikes some odd. Like stated, if one truly doesn't care that she's doing this, then why say anything about it at all? 

(And I'm speaking of the public commentary on a general level with all of the above, just to clarify.) 

[xfuse]

2 hours ago, Annber03 said:

It's just the fact that seemingly everything Britney's doing comes with some kind of judgmental scrutiny by the public, compared to other people,

I disagree.

Everything any celebrity does is looked at and judged by the public, good or bad if it's in the public eye.

Everything J Lo does. Everything Chris Evans does. Everything Tom Hanks does.

Some of those things is boring and there is nothing to talk about but some of those things are not.

The difference between Britney and the rest is that no one ever says leave J Lo alone for the questionable things she does because she was in a conservatorship (or a bad relationship or whatever excuse). Some people (news, media and internet) will excuse everything she does because she was in a conservatorship. 

[Cinnabon]

20 minutes ago, xfuse said:

I disagree.

Everything any celebrity does is looked at and judged by the public, good or bad if it's in the public eye.

Everything J Lo does. Everything Chris Evans does. Everything Tom Hanks does.

Some of those things is boring and there is nothing to talk about but some of those things are not.

The difference between Britney and the rest is that no one ever says leave J Lo alone for the questionable things she does because she was in a conservatorship (or a bad relationship or whatever excuse). Some people (news, media and internet) will excuse everything she does because she was in a conservatorship. 

To me, the most egregious difference is that no one ever suggests the Kartrashians or JLo needs a conservatorship, for posting almost constant nude photos or even pornography (in the Kartrashians’  case). Certainly no one expects any of their boyfriends or husbands to monitor their every move. 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Cinnabon

[DearEvette]

1 hour ago, xfuse said:

The difference between Britney and the rest is that no one ever says leave J Lo alone for the questionable things she does because she was in a conservatorship (or a bad relationship or whatever excuse). Some people (news, media and internet) will excuse everything she does because she was in a conservatorship. 

But it isn 't even the questionable stuff that people scrutinize.  It is the mundane.  If J.Lo ran out of gas the comments would mostly be along the lines of 'Stars they are just like us!'  Britney runs out of gas and the comments are like "Can she really be left alone?"  There was a picture of her walking barefoot after being in court last year, she was holding her high heels in her hand and there were all these concern trolls wondering if it was proof she was "acting out".  For taking off high heels and walking barefoot.   Good lord, imagine what will happen if she decides to cut her hair? The think pieces will write themselves.

[Annber03]

18 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

But it isn 't even the questionable stuff that people scrutinize.  It is the mundane.  If J.Lo ran out of gas the comments would mostly be along the lines of 'Stars they are just like us!'  Britney runs out of gas and the comments are like "Can she really be left alone?"  There was a picture of her walking barefoot after being in court last year, she was holding her high heels in her hand and there were all these concern trolls wondering if it was proof she was "acting out".  For taking off high heels and walking barefoot.   Good lord, imagine what will happen if she decides to cut her hair? The think pieces will write themselves.

This.

And even if some of her behavior was the result of her "acting out" or struggling or whatever...I mean, she literally just got out of her conservatorship a few months ago, and she's still readjusting to being able to do things on her own. So, yeah, there's going to be some pretty bumpy times coming up for her as she learns to navigate life on her own again. It's not like she's going to magically behave the way people think a "normal" person should behave overnight or something. 

[Cinnabon]

19 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

This.

And even if some of her behavior was the result of her "acting out" or struggling or whatever...I mean, she literally just got out of her conservatorship a few months ago, and she's still readjusting to being able to do things on her own. So, yeah, there's going to be some pretty bumpy times coming up for her as she learns to navigate life on her own again. It's not like she's going to magically behave the way people think a "normal" person should behave overnight or something. 

 Not to mention that the US is a country with literally millions of homeless families, including children, and millions of citizens with no health insurance coverage. We allow people to struggle and ruin themselves, with very few safety nets. More often than not, if the severely mentally ill cause “problems,” they are imprisoned instead of helped. If Britney screws up, she’ll be one of many to squander her fortune and reputation. Why should she not be allowed to do the same as many before (and many to come after) her? Freedom, right? That includes the freedom to fuck up your life. 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Cinnabon

[methodwriter85]

On 7/18/2022 at 1:44 PM, Notabug said:

Bruce didn't start having kids until later in life.  His oldest was born in 1990 when he was 40.  His kids didn't start reproducing at early ages, either.  His older two are in their 30's and don't have kids.  Sam, the youngest, is 28.

Alec Baldwin is a similar case- he's still not a Grandpa yet, although the only one actually old enough to have a kid is his eldest daughter Ireland. He and Kim Basinger were in their 40's when they had her, and so far no kids from Ireland. 

Natalie Wood posthumously became a grandmother at what would have been the age of 74 when her 41-year old daughter Natasha gave birth to her one and only in 2012. Natalie's second daughter Courtney is 47/48 and unlikely to have any kids.

Glenn Close had her one and only child Annie Starke when she was 40, and so far her daughter has no kids.

On the opposite end Ryan O'Neal was a grandfather by 45, which is kinda young by Hollywood/present standards although relatively normal for the Silent Generation which got married on average at 23.

Edited July 24, 2022 by methodwriter85

[Vermicious Knid]

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but that doesn't mean anyone else has to look if they don't want to-  much less like it. 

This is how I feel about all social media. 99% is useless bullshit. Why do I care what you had for breakfast or that you like dancing in a unicorn onesie?

John Mellencamp became a grandfather at 37 because he fathered a child at 18.

[kathyk24]

4 hours ago, DearEvette said:

But it isn 't even the questionable stuff that people scrutinize.  It is the mundane.  If J.Lo ran out of gas the comments would mostly be along the lines of 'Stars they are just like us!'  Britney runs out of gas and the comments are like "Can she really be left alone?"  There was a picture of her walking barefoot after being in court last year, she was holding her high heels in her hand and there were all these concern trolls wondering if it was proof she was "acting out".  For taking off high heels and walking barefoot.   Good lord, imagine what will happen if she decides to cut her hair? The think pieces will write themselves.

I find it ironic that more people are concerned with Britney's behavior than with how her father or lawyer spent her money. 

[Cinnabon]

9 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

Why do I care what you had for breakfast or that you like dancing in a unicorn onesie?

There’s a generation that needs to answer for this! 🤣

[SunnyBeBe]

I take it that Britney hasn’t gotten called old to her face. She’s about 40 now and there can be some harsh reality when you become more mature.  I was with friends at about that age at a bachelorette party, as my friend (really a friend, not kidding this time) was dancing on the bar!  A certain young man was staring and smiling at her.  She was so flattered at this young male attention.  The young man offered his hand to help her jump down from the bar and he leaned in and said, “You still got it, lady!”   She was crushed!  😝 You may still look great, but it’s just different.  I’m not sure Brit realizes that.  

[Blergh]

11 hours ago, kathyk24 said:

I find it ironic that more people are concerned with Britney's behavior than with how her father or lawyer spent her money. 

I've never been a fan of any of Miss Spears's entertainment productions.

However, even before her major meltdown which set the wheels in motion for her male DNA Donor to have her declared incompetent and set up that 13-year long Conservatorship with NO end date until her lawyers and non-related fans actually got the wheels of justice to hear her out and finally get it overturned, I ALWAYS thought there was something majorly wrong in that exploitative clan!

However, even all the above said as cynical as I've always been about the Senior Spearses' MOs re Miss Spears, I was utterly shocked and thought it was at best needlessly paranoid and controlling and,at worse, evil and sick [in the most negative meaning], for the male DNA Donor to have been found out to have had microphones and video cameras to .  .. monitor her dialogue and actions in his non-toddler daughter's bedroom!  🤢

[Wiendish Fitch]

God above, what does a woman have to do in order to be viewed as a capable adult?  It seems like everyone is just hellbent to "Bertha Rochester" Britney Spears out of existence.

FFS, if someone like Roman Polanski is free to wander around and do whatever the hell he wants, then, dammit all, so should Ms. Spears. At least she hasn't committed a disgusting, unforgivable crime like Polanski has.

[CrazyInAlabama]

What I hate about the Britney Spears conservancy was everyone in her family profited from her, her father tried to get her to pay his legal bills to fight her getting out of the conservancy.      She absolutely has no one she's related to that isn't trying to steal from her.  I hope the new husband is treating her well, and she can have a happy, secure life.   

[SnapHappy]

17 hours ago, DearEvette said:

Good lord, imagine what will happen if she decides to cut her hair? The think pieces will write themselves.

Ya mean like the time she shaved her head?  *LOL*  She got a solid month of attention for that exhibition of "nakedness".  

It's like she's not even trying these days.  She needs to be much more controversial/crazy/provoking to get more than the pity posts.    

Now I've met my maximum of 2 comments per deranged action by a fading celeb.  

On to the next "scandal"!!!  

Edited July 24, 2022 by SnapHappy

[RealHousewife]

I’m not even a hardcore Britney fan who thinks she can’t do wrong. I know as much as people react to her IG shenanigans and whatnot, there are also a lot of people who can be quite harsh on other celebs but excuse everything Britney does. I saw a poster allude to that, and I have to agree.

But I think a big part of why she makes some mistakes that seem silly to a lot of regular adults is because she’s been denied freedom to be for so many years. For example, I don’t think she’s driven herself nearly as much as most 40-year-olds, so it might literally be like a teen who hasn’t driven all that long forgetting to keep on eye on the gas level. She should be allowed to have her mess-ups like all the rest of us. 

I also agree there are a lot of men messed up in the head who are free to go about their lives with any problems. I might see some of Britney’s social media and cringe, but she’s not hurting anyone. 

[Mabinogia]

6 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

But I think a big part of why she makes some mistakes that seem silly to a lot of regular adults is because she’s been denied freedom to be for so many years. For example, I don’t think she’s driven herself nearly as much as most 40-year-olds, so it might literally be like a teen who hasn’t driven all that long forgetting to keep on eye on the gas level. She should be allowed to have her mess-ups like all the rest of us. 

Exactly. A lot of the "mistakes" she's making are things any teen with their first taste of freedom would make, and sadly, that is kind of what she is. She's been basically treated like a child until now. I don't think she's doing anyone any harm. She's just making stupid teenage mistakes at an age where she should have (if she'd been allowed to make her own decisions) grown out of it by now. 

Mostly I just find her story very sad. It didn't have to be that way, and I think the majority of it has to do with having a greedy family who didn't care enough about her actual wellbeing to teach her how to live and instead kept her dependent on them so they could live off her. 

[Bastet]

6 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I might see some of Britney’s social media and cringe, but she’s not hurting anyone. 

And she's not incapable of functioning as an independent member of society.  There is nothing wrong with eye rolling at things she does, but there's something quite wrong with pointing to those stupid silly things in order to shout "See -- this is why she needs to be under conservatorship!"  That's patently ridiculous -- and pretty revealing when these same people never say that of male celebrities whose activities are equally publicized.

[Wiendish Fitch]

22 minutes ago, Bastet said:

And she's not incapable of functioning as an independent member of society.  There is nothing wrong with eye rolling at things she does, but there's something quite wrong with pointing to those stupid silly things in order to shout "See -- this is why she needs to be under conservatorship!"  That's patently ridiculous -- and pretty revealing when these same people never say that of male celebrities whose activities are equally publicized.

I could ramble on all day about men who I think require 24/7 supervision. So Britney's made a few dumb little booboos, who fucking cares? Just today I accidentally burned my arm with my garment steamer, should my husband lock me in a room with yellow wallpaper now?

[supposebly]

31 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

Exactly. A lot of the "mistakes" she's making are things any teen with their first taste of freedom would make, and sadly, that is kind of what she is. She's been basically treated like a child until now. I don't think she's doing anyone any harm. She's just making stupid teenage mistakes at an age where she should have (if she'd been allowed to make her own decisions) grown out of it by now.

Wasn't she almost 30 when that conservatorship was put in place?

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, supposebly said:

Wasn't she almost 30 when that conservatorship was put in place?

She was 27 but she was controlled through her teenage and early adult years. She was on tv from the time she was 10 and supported her entire family. Any independence she attempted to gain was a direct threat to her family’s comfy position. 

To me the most telling thing was that she was back working almost immediately after the conservatorship was put in place. That says to me it had nothing to do with her mental health and everything to do with keeping the gravy train running. Even the downfall of the conservatorship started when she refused to perform and was hospitalized to bring her back under control. 

In the most technical sense she went through her teen years but she never had a chance to exert any real agency. She reminds me of a defiant teenager doing all the things she was denied for years. Living on her own terms and not being responsible for or to her family.

[Cinnabon]

4 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

God above, what does a woman have to do in order to be viewed as a capable adult?  It seems like everyone is just hellbent to "Bertha Rochester" Britney Spears out of existence.

FFS, if someone like Roman Polanski is free to wander around and do whatever the hell he wants, then, dammit all, so should Ms. Spears. At least she hasn't committed a disgusting, unforgivable crime like Polanski has.

It’s always women. Is anyone familiar with Frances Farmer? I can’t think of one case of a man being forced into a conservatorship for anything at all similar to Britney’s case. I guess she should consider herself lucky her family didn’t force her to be institutionalized (like Frances and countless other women who didn’t “conform” appropriately). 😡🥲

[Wiendish Fitch]

3 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

It’s always women. Is anyone familiar with Frances Farmer? I can’t think of one case of a man being forced into a conservatorship for anything at all similar to Britney’s case. I guess she should consider herself lucky her family didn’t force her to be institutionalized (like Frances and countless other women who didn’t “conform” appropriately). 😡🥲

Or worse, like Rosemary Kennedy. More people should know her story. 

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

She's just making stupid teenage mistakes at an age where she should have (if she'd been allowed to make her own decisions) grown out of it by now. 

There are many, many adults out there doing similar (and much worse) things who weren’t exploited at a young age. And no one cares, unless they become a nuisance or break enough laws, then we throw them in prison.

2 minutes ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Or worse, like Rosemary Kennedy. More people should know her story. 

Exactly.

[PepSinger]

On 7/21/2022 at 6:46 AM, Crs97 said:

I don’t know any of them, of course, but I find J Lo to be a user.

How on earth is J. Lo a user? She’s successful in her own right; she doesn’t need a man to be successful.

[PepSinger]

On 7/22/2022 at 4:45 PM, Crashcourse said:

It's becoming more and more obvious why she was under a conservatorship in the first place.

Interesting observation seeing as until recently, men would regularly place women in then called “insane asylums” if they did not act in a way that acceptable to male society. Psychiatry has been routinely used to silence women, so in a round about way, you’ve proven the point that Britney’s conservatorship was less about “helping” and more about “controlling” a so-called “wild woman.” It saddens me that controlling women is seen as amusing and acceptable to some.

Edited July 24, 2022 by PepSinger

[PepSinger]

1 hour ago, Dani said:

To me the most telling thing was that she was back working almost immediately after the conservatorship was put in place. That says to me it had nothing to do with her mental health and everything to do with keeping the gravy train running.

Bingo. Conservatorship had fuck all to do with her health.

[aradia22]

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Or worse, like Rosemary Kennedy. More people should know her story. 

The story of her birth is truly a nightmare. We'll never know what she might have been like without that experience, but she still had good periods when she was in an environment where she could thrive before she was lobotomized. 

[Crs97]

1 hour ago, PepSinger said:

How on earth is J. Lo a user? She’s successful in her own right; she doesn’t need a man to be successful.

In various interviews I’ve either seen or read about her, she comes across as a user to me.  Right after her first marriage I remember reading an interview where she was quoted as saying something about how critics of Selena said she wasn’t Latina enough but look she just married a man who barely spoke English. Next thing I know she’s with Diddy (?) and is being questioned in relation with a nightclub shooting.  Right afterwards she is on Oprah saying she had married her backup dancer and really is a homebody who loves to knit and hates nightlife.  Then she is suddenly with Ben whose star was still rising.

Now maybe there is a lot of time between all these events and it’s all a series of coincidences, but all I know is that everytime I see something about her my eyes roll and I get user vibes.  And they are all adults who should know what they’re doing, but some of her relationship decisions strike me as PR driven.  YMMV