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S12.E02: Stooping to a Lower Level


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On 4/9/2020 at 9:50 PM, Axie said:

My niece is one of my favorite people in the world and she’s a tattoo artist, so, bite me Dorinda.

The new chick reminds me of Brownstone on RHBH.  The one with the 67 kids.  And, that’s not a compliment.

I literally LOL'd at 67 kids...

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On 4/9/2020 at 10:14 PM, SweetieDarling said:

Do you think it's the money? I think she's missing someone doing all the "adulting" for her, like hiring contractors and dealing with insurance companies and budgets. 

 

Nevermind, I think you've already answered this.

I think it's both.  She misses him being the one taking care of things, both hiring and paying for it.

I suspect Dorinda will offload that house.  I would doubt her money situation is that great if she's crying over the cost of the renovations.  If she were super wealthy, the cost would not bother her.

I also think she knows in order to sell that house, she's got to sink a ton of money in addition to the repairs.  Unless some mega fan buys it, that house needs a lot of work to stage well.  I know people here love it, but it's tacky AF in my opinion.  The whole house, not just the fish room.

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13 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Is she wearing that as pajamas? It is pretty, but why is she still wearing the hat?

Hi Hoo! I think its actually a swimsuit cover up and she wore it as a dress (the entire day or at least until nap time 😁). One can only assume she kept the hat on because she was so "cold" in the "basement" 🥶.  I can't Lu!! 

As a side note, that was the nicest basement I've ever seen.  I like quiet and total darkness when I'm sleeping, not to mention a nice cool temperature, so please, give me all the lower levels. I was just so not impressed by her entitlement. Ugh.

I actually took a couple of screen shots of the bedrooms in Ramona's house. The color palette is very calming. I think I recall she furnished with a sponsorship from Wayfair.  I didn't love the weird dark hotel armoire in Leah's room. But her aesthetic is totally achievable with places like Homegoods and Homesense. I did notice however she had a lot of those round tables with a table skirt covering, a plate glass top, a lamp and objets d'art that were so popular in the 80s. That had to be production staging. Nobody really decorates with those anymore.

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I am thinking that the hyper sensitivity Dorinda, and others, are showing in regards to Tinsley not being transparent on the show about her life, could be a residual effect of the Bethenny years. I think they may all be on guard and leery of each other as to who is getting what out of being on the show. For all of B’s “I’m a truth teller” bravado, she very carefully curated what she wanted shown and when. She was very calculating. Even her crazy, very worst behavior was a means to an end. I think the other housewives wearied of that and of B using them and the show for her personal gain. Now they are all side eyeing each other’s motives and actions. 
 

Or Dorinda, etal have chosen to amp up the mean girl to lock in the Bravo paycheck they all very much need. 

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People have worse than old house problems. 

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Really. Boo fucking hoo Dorinda with her upper east side apt and her country manor. Most people are living paycheck to paycheck so no sympathy here for her and her nasty mouth.

This.  Dorinda would benefit immensely from a little thankfulness and perspective.  Sorry your life is sooooo hard.

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I reserve the right to change my mind, but I am liking Leah so far and think that she will be a formidable opponent for Dorinda. 

Leah didn't back down to the bully (Dorinda), therefore, earning her respect.  Tinsley doesn't handle the attacks with much strength, which feeds Dorinda's nastiness.  It's a sad, but true, state of affairs.  

No mention of Ramona saying she doesn't drink Pino anymore and has lost her little Pino belly?  Her belly has been the source of so many comments/posts!! 

If during the tattoo discussion one of the younger ladies had in fact thrown out an "ok Boomer", I would not watch another episode.  Good Lord how I hate the dismissiveness of that phrase (and I'm not a Boomer).

I liked this episode.  It may be considered boring but I like the simplicity and fun of a little house porn, fashion and nice dining establishments.

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I've always been under the impression that boomers are Bravo's primary audience, at least for the housewives' shows.

Regarding the respectability of tattoos, a lot of military veterans have them. Are they trashy?

I liked Leah's hat, but it was wrong for the outfit. I wondered what she was hiding under it - dirty hair?

I prefer Luann's charming old Sag Harbor house to Ramona's impersonal masoleum.

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On 4/10/2020 at 11:28 AM, sadie said:

Dorinda is doing herself no favors. I too lost a husband young (40 years old), and work full time, handle my house, dog, broken AC’s, roof repairs - you know - life, and I don’t go around being a horrible drunk bitch to everyone in my vicinity.  I get everyone has their own reality but Dorinda does not have to work for a living and Richard obviously left her well off, wtf is she bitching about, she’s ahead of most of the universe and is too self centered to recognize it. Grow up and act like a grown up, stop being a self righteous bitch, none of us care about your 1% problems. I hope someone takes her down this season but for some reason they all tip toe around her, it’s baffling to me. 

So sorry about your hubby.  I'm a widow too but mine died at 52.  Still young, but he felt like he lived a full life.    40 is just way too young, and tragic.

And I so agree with you on Dorinda.

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On 4/10/2020 at 2:17 PM, Rahul said:

I re-watched the Scary Island episodes from season 3 and its unsettling how much Sonja's personality has changed over the years. When Sonja first joined the show, she was elegant, put together, ostensibly intelligent, reasonably well spoken, empathetic and the voice of reason. Sonja was the first one to identify Kelly has a few screws loose and was on the verge of a nervous breakdown, and as such took Kelly under her wing to protect her. 

In following seasons we've seen Sonja's mind in a shockingly parallel state of disarray to her dilapidated town house. How much of Sonja's eccentric, sloppy, slapstick-loving, sexaholic persona has been curated to secure screen time? Inquiring minds want to know. If she really has devolved into the mess she is today I would advise her to see a neurologist because something isn't right there.  

Well, she still had her moments of Sonja -- like when she gave the costume party at her house.  I think she was largely in check though b/c she was still trying to get a better settlement from her ex husband and I think she wanted to reconcile.

But yes, she was actually rather charming.  I loved her the season Aviva called her and Ramona "white trash."   It seems to have gone down the rails the last two season where she seems to want to give off the Gray Gardens persona of the eccentric.

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On 4/11/2020 at 7:13 PM, hoosier80 said:

Dorinda is jealous of Tinsley.  Tinsley can change the course of her life, while I think Dorinda feels trapped.  She wants her old life back, and is realizing that ship has sailed.  And Tinsley needs to tell Dorinda to stop with the inquisition now.  If Dorinda gets all teary and blah blah blah renovations - I'd just sorry you're having issues, but no reason to take out your frustrations and anger (and jealousy) on me, so stop it now.  And doubtful that Dorinda is having to pinch pennies to get the place fixed.  As someone asked, what is the renovation keeping her from doing in her 'normal' life?  Naps? Drinking?

 

I have a theory that Dorinda has made some very bad investments and does indeed have to pinch pennies. That maybe Blue Manor is way too expensive to maintain, kind of like Sonja's old townhouse.  And that it's going to cost quite a bit of money to get it sellable.  Then she's probably struggling with the thought of giving up something that is a piece of her brief marriage to Richard.  

Renovations are exhausting, but if you got the dough, you don't cry over it.  She's acting like someone that's worried about her money running out.

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3 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

I liked Leah's hat, but it was wrong for the outfit. I wondered what she was hiding under it - dirty hair?

The tag was a quite large and white, very visible, tacky.

I used to work for a dental consulting company, we had this crazy office manager (wife of the dentist, they always are), who was very vocal about her dislike of tattoos and equally verbal about not wanting to speak to those individuals...we tried to explain about customer service, professionalism, not passing judgement, their money is green too, all of the common sense aspects but she was not having it.  It was mind numbing to speak to her, she did not see that it affected her husbands income, basically her lifestyle would change greatly if she continued with this narrow mindedness and besides, who cares if they pay their bills.

Why Ramona would care about Leah's tattoos was puzzling but even more puzzling was why she had never heard of a tramp stamp.

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This episode was so funny. I love the NY ladies, they all make me laugh. Tinsely and her Chinese speaking dogs, that she got off a meat truck, but are vegan. Ramona screaming at  her dog to get a treat, and then very gently feeding her when she turned around. 

Dorinda used the same tanner that her old friend/realtor used last season. Oh my. Some splotchy self tanner in the talking head.

And Ramona's way to keep track of Leah and Luanne-- They both went to prison and the both don't drink. HAHA

I felt for Dorinda and her nightmare house problems. When I bought my current place, I thought all was good, and I ended up having to wait almost 4-months to move in because it ended up needing SO MUCH WORK. The contractors were calling me all day everyday with new problems, and more estimates and more money, and needing more money and needing more supplies. I was on the phone all day, I had to take a few weeks off work even because it was such a disaster. And the money is painful. I thought I was going to get sued a few times for telling off insurance adjusters and threatening to  have them fired and investigated. It was bad. I cried a lot. 

Touche means, "I couldn't have said it better myself." Or something like that. Ramona used it right.

Dorinda is kind of becoming the old cranky lady. Her "audiotorally" and Sonya's look was awesome. 

Dorinda has no intention on being nice to someone with tattoos. It's a line she isn't going to cross.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I think it's both.  She misses him being the one taking care of things, both hiring and paying for it.

Dorinda said that she just wants to live the carefree life.  Wouldn't we all!!   I can understand her being overwhelmed with all of the issues she has with her house, but she shouldn't take out her frustration on everybody else.  She should calmly talk to the ladies (like she did with Sonja) about her problems rather than bite their heads off!  She would garner more sympathy if she wasn't an ass about it. 

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On 4/10/2020 at 6:12 PM, Baltimore Betty said:

I thought that too, it is sterile and cold, nothing welcoming there.  I did notice that there were flowers in the upstairs bedrooms which looked a bit warmer than the rest of the house but in Lu's room it looked like left over furniture and no flowers.  Ramona could have put a space heater in her room and something to make it feel a little welcoming despite her being in the bowels of the house.  Pet peeve of mine is not being able to operate the guest room TV so I felt badly for Lu but at least there was no swordfish on the wall!

Ha!  I have to use two remotes too.  Freakin annoying.  Damn cable.  Dorinda got the best room.  Nice furnishings, window, airy.  

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11 hours ago, ChitChat said:

Dorinda said that she just wants to live the carefree life.  Wouldn't we all!!   I can understand her being overwhelmed with all of the issues she has with her house, but she shouldn't take out her frustration on everybody else.  She should calmly talk to the ladies (like she did with Sonja) about her problems rather than bite their heads off!  She would garner more sympathy if she wasn't an ass about it. 

She’s got it sooo bad.  Lives in Manhattan, goes lunching, shopping, has a housekeeper, John, etc.  WTF?  She wants her life with Richard back.  That’s all.  Either live with John and stop using him, or set him free and find an old rich geezer, if she can.  At this point, she needs AA first.  Who wants to watch an old drunk abusing everyone?

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55 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

I don't know why John stays with her.  She can be so mean to him!  

Dorinda is in for a rude awakening. If she dumps John who is to say she can get someone else to put up with her drunken outbursts? She might find someone who would be after her money but if she doesn’t have a lot they won’t put up with her bullshit. John seems to love her and that is not something you throw  away so fast.

John should dump her and marry a nice young nubile and fertile Armenian girl. I be they are lining up or at least their mothers are lining them up. John has options. Dorinda not so much.

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Dorinda looks like a female Carson Kressley with that hair cut, no offense to Carson. She looks like such a old lady, schlepping around that tote bag, shoulders hunched over with that duck walk and ratty ass cardigan. 
 

Sonja has had too much work done that her eyes are crossed and her face puffy and bloated. Ramona looks matronly with those oversized bazoongas and Tinsley probably needs a crap machine to breath through that fucked up nose. 
Luann is the only one that gets the concept of “less is more”. 
Leah needs to lose the hair extensions but I’m glad she’s not kissing ass so I can overlook that. 

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19 hours ago, The Ringo Kidd said:

Dorinda is in for a rude awakening. If she dumps John who is to say she can get someone else to put up with her drunken outbursts?

Could you imagine dating someone that not just once but REPEATEDLY on national television told all of America you were just useless and pretty much a placeholder for a dead man that could give her everything you couldn't? The woman is a drunk angry piece of shit .... I felt bad for her at first but after YEARS of saying the same thing over and over I have come to the conclusion that she couldn't be in a healthy relationship she needs to be the martyr.... Go have another vodka soaked bath Dorinda ....

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On 4/14/2020 at 7:46 PM, bravofan27 said:

 

I felt for Dorinda and her nightmare house problems. When I bought my current place, I thought all was good, and I ended up having to wait almost 4-months to move in because it ended up needing SO MUCH WORK. The contractors were calling me all day everyday with new problems, and more estimates and more money, and needing more money and needing more supplies. I was on the phone all day, I had to take a few weeks off work even because it was such a disaster. And the money is painful. I thought I was going to get sued a few times for telling off insurance adjusters and threatening to  have them fired and investigated. It was bad. I cried a lot. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No question it does stink and I feel your pain.  

From what I remember of Blue Stone, it doesn't look like it's been updated lately other than the pool.  So there's probably a lot of stuff that needs to be worked on --- I don't just mean aesthetically.  I think there are a lot of people on the board that love BSM I suspect b/c it looks so unpretentious.  Just painting those rooms painted in odd colors is going to cost a lot!

I just think Dorinda's dough is running out.  She knows she can't keep BSM.  I suspect she'll be offloading it.  I suspect what we're really seeing is the pain she's is going through knowing she's can't maintain it and needs to sell it; she's trying to reconcile whether she can afford to keep something that is really a very expensive sentimental memory.

I feel like we're seeing the Sonja old townhouse thing.  She couldn't afford to maintain it, and to go through a sale, she'd have to spend a lot of money to update it -- or sell it  "as is."  Sonja finally has her townhouse on the market, but it doesn't look like she did much other than have it cleaned and staged.  I'm sure she could sell it for more if it was renovated.

If Dorinda was super wealthy, I'm sure it would still be hard to part with the money and still frustrating, but I don't think we'd be seeing how distraught she looks.  Of course if she was super wealthy, I also don't think she'd be with John for dry cleaning.

Does she have a general contractor?

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, sasha206 said:

No question it does stick and I feel your pain.  

From what I remember of Blue Stone, it doesn't look like it's been updated lately other than the pool.  So there's probably a lot of stuff that needs to be worked on --- I don't just mean aesthetically.  I think there are a lot of people on the board that love BSM I suspect b/c it looks so unpretentious.  Just painting those rooms painted in odd colors is going to cost a lot!

I just think Dorinda's dough is running out.  She knows she can't keep BSM.  I suspect she'll be offloading it.  I suspect what we're really seeing is the pain she's is going through knowing she's can't maintain it and needs to sell it; she's trying to reconcile whether she can afford to keep something that is really a very expensive sentimental memory.

If she was super wealthy, I'm sure it would still be hard to part with the money and still frustrating, but I don't think we'd be seeing how distraught she looks.  Does she have a general contractor?

 

 

 

 

This is an interesting and insightful point.  Just among her Bravo"lebrities," <eyeroll> there should be a number of people who can at least give her the names of some wonderful contractors, SOME OF WHOM would probably be happy to give her a great deal just for the exposure on the show. That, however, might open up some unpleasantness about the state of her finances and have her looking like Sonja Grey Gardens 2.0.

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39 minutes ago, StevieRocks said:

This is an interesting and insightful point.  Just among her Bravo"lebrities," <eyeroll> there should be a number of people who can at least give her the names of some wonderful contractors, SOME OF WHOM would probably be happy to give her a great deal just for the exposure on the show. That, however, might upon up some unpleasantness about the state of her finances and have her looking like Sonja Grey Gardens 2.0.

Like Barbara, perhaps?  Just spitballing here...

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1 minute ago, Silver Bells said:

I’m watching season 7 now.  It’s on all day here.  Dorinda was probably the new bee.  She is very quiet and saying nothing.  What a difference a few years makes.  

Right?! And Skinny Cow Bethenny barking and squawking and screeching nonstop. Insufferable. Ugh. I am so glad she's gone. 

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1 minute ago, Silver Bells said:

I’m watching season 7 now.  It’s on all day here.  Dorinda was probably the new bee.  She is very quiet and saying nothing.  What a difference a few years makes.  

Oh, hello.  As I was sayin, Dorinda has changed big time for the worse.  Anyhow, I watched BH last nite.  Just my opinion of course, but N.Y. wives are so different, in a good way.  More real, less showing off, less competition with the makeup, clothes, etc.  We can identify with them more.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Could you imagine dating someone that not just once but REPEATEDLY on national television told all of America you were just useless and pretty much a placeholder for a dead man that could give her everything you couldn't? The woman is a drunk angry piece of shit .... I felt bad for her at first but after YEARS of saying the same thing over and over I have come to the conclusion that she couldn't be in a healthy relationship she needs to be the martyr.... Go have another vodka soaked bath Dorinda ....

Plus, as I’m watching the repeats, Dorinda is a know it all, giving advice to everyone like she knows best.  A real mother hen, she thinks.  What a pain in the ass.

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1 hour ago, StevieRocks said:

This is an interesting and insightful point.  Just among her Bravo"lebrities," <eyeroll> there should be a number of people who can at least give her the names of some wonderful contractors, SOME OF WHOM would probably be happy to give her a great deal just for the exposure on the show. That, however, might upon up some unpleasantness about the state of her finances and have her looking like Sonja Grey Gardens 2.0.

You mean like Barbra from last season? 🙂 #JustSayin #SheFuckedThatOneUp

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44 minutes ago, Silver Bells said:

I’m watching season 7 now.  It’s on all day here.  Dorinda was probably the new bee.  She is very quiet and saying nothing.  What a difference a few years makes.  

Oh yeah.

The only time she showed her ass to me was when she made the black guy walking around in the restaurant take her coat.  As if he didn't belong there so he must work there.

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Watching season 7 also. Dorinda just got through the dinner from hell where she was arguing with Heather about saying the F word and Dorinda was so drunk that no one at the table knew what she ws attempting to say. In fact Kristin said that she had seen Dorinda drunk a time or 2 and when she was like that it was scary.  She has gotten like this in every season since then. Although I can't remember if she had one of these moments last season.

I just wanted to add that Dorinda and Blue Stone Manor are currently in Architectural Digest.  I am a BSM lover but some of her pieces are not my taste.  The Julie Heffernan Painting in the blue room is featured in the article and that’s a fine example of something I find disturbing.

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On 4/12/2020 at 11:36 AM, pasdetrois said:

Based on my own friend/family group, I think Dorinda may be suffering from menopause. It's politically incorrect to say so, but in these no-hormones days some women suffer extreme, uncontrollable mood swings

I wish that we/they would talk about menopause more.  And not just as a convenient insult. It was a friggin nightmare for me-when hormones left the scene, my dopamine levels tanked - it was like having bad pms for seven years.  And the impact on skin and weight was a bummer. But I did come through it (w/out hormonal replacements) and life is good. Different, but good.  

And when I saw that the bloom was off the Morgan rose, my first thought was menopause.  It's sad that all of the Bravo old guard (literally) is likely going through it and no one talks about it; rather, they just amp up the "sexy" and it feels sad to me.

 

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On 4/11/2020 at 7:42 PM, Gam2 said:

I think we all need to give each other the right to feel one way or the other way about tattoos. Personally, I think they’re tacky and unattractive on women. I’m not actually a fan of them on men either. When my son was in Vet School, I asked him about women having tattoos because they were starting to become more popular. He said if it was on a friend, he would’ve care but he’d never marry a woman with one. We are all entitled to our feelings and opinions about them and frankly, I resent being labeled out of touch, old fashioned or judgmental because I don’t like them.

Here's my thing about tattoos.  Right now they are mainstream.  When the ladies on the show, and I, were young tattoos were not mainstream.  I think most people felt the places tattoos were done were dirty and there was a fear of getting a disease like hepatitis.  When I was a child, the only people I knew who had tattoos were men who had been in the army or the navy.

I had two friends who did not have their ears pierced, one said she didn't have it done because her father told her only "prostitutes and gypsies" had their ears pierced.  The other friend didn't have it done because her father thought only low class women had that done.  I think the main reason people felt that way was because ear piercing was usually done in someone's kitchen with a needle and a hot flame.  I had mine done in the early 70's in Macy's, when they started using the gun that would pierce your ear and insert a 14 carat gold earring in at the same time. 

I don't think it is right to look down on someone with tattoos, but I also don't think it's right to assume that just because someone doesn't like tattoos they are old and out of touch.

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On 4/15/2020 at 9:37 AM, Silver Bells said:

She’s got it sooo bad.  Lives in Manhattan, goes lunching, shopping, has a housekeeper, John, etc.  WTF?  She wants her life with Richard back.  That’s all.  Either live with John and stop using him, or set him free and find an old rich geezer, if she can.  At this point, she needs AA first.  Who wants to watch an old drunk abusing everyone?

Dorinda wants her old life back, she wants to be carefree, so do most people, but everybody has to deal with what they've got.  Anyway, it still doesn't give Dorina the right to treat people like crap. 

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11 hours ago, sasha206 said:

From what I remember of Blue Stone, it doesn't look like it's been updated lately other than the pool.

They redid it when they bought it, her taste is just tacky as fuck.

1 hour ago, Neurochick said:

don't think it is right to look down on someone with tattoos, but I also don't think it's right to assume that just because someone doesn't like tattoos they are old and out of touch.

But what people are reacting to is that the women were all judging her for the tats and their own words indicated they were crazy out of touch. 

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On 4/10/2020 at 2:51 PM, kicksave said:

YES! Listening to these old farts talk about tattoos had me thinking..."OK Boomer!"

Yeah, because only young people know what's happening, right?  I think "OK Boomer" is agest, just saying.

Apparently older women aren't supposed to talk about sex, or think about getting married, or anything except what, dying?  Good to know.

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4 hours ago, Neurochick said:

I don't think it is right to look down on someone with tattoos, but I also don't think it's right to assume that just because someone doesn't like tattoos they are old and out of touch.

Not liking tattoos doesn't make you old or out of touch but loudly declaring it trashy or behaving judgey and mean towards someone who has a tattoo does make you kind of an asshole though.

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6 hours ago, athousandclowns said:

I am just now Watching  but An FF  many scenes. Can someone tell me did Romona say she’s hosting a party the girls were going to be excited and held up the newspaper showing a Trump fundraiser ? No one is mentioning it in the forum and I’m heading to bed. 

I think they meant a fundraiser awhile back.  Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

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