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This is the last episode for 2019. The show will return on February 23, 2020:

Nolan and team are charged with escorting a notorious female serial killer to the graves of her previously unrecovered victims. However, when they arrive, they unearth even more than they expected. Chen meets a seemingly perfect man who sparks her interest, and Lopez worries about Wesley as his PTSD continues to increase.

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Nolan and team are charged with escorting a notorious female serial killer to the graves of her previously unrecovered victims

[in whiny voice]Why-y-y?

  
 

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Chen meets a seemingly perfect man who sparks her interest

“a seemingly perfect man”? As in cannibal?

  
  
 

6 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Lopez worries about Wesley as his PTSD continues to increase.

Why do I find this arc so tedious? I guess the actors are not strong enough to pull it off?

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On 12/5/2019 at 7:19 AM, shapeshifter said:

a seemingly perfect man”? As in cannibal?

Another old white guy like Nolan.....maybe with more money....

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Aw man, that guy did seem nice. I'm sure by February 20whatever I'll have forgotten most of these people& this episode, but it was a decent cliffhanger. How was Rosalyn communicating with Caleb while in prison?

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On 12/5/2019 at 1:37 AM, paigow said:

Got to be a Star Wars scene somewhere....

Lopez (?) was wearing a 'Star Wars' t-shirt near the beginning of the episode, so there was definitely a reference.

I should have guessed that Chen's date would turn out to be a bad guy, but I was thinking that the detective that they've been working with (Nick) would become the latest victim of the killer (because I figured that it would definitely be 'someone we know', but not a regular).

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Some at the beginning of the date, I knew that Chen's date was not going to turn out well and in fact, going out on a limb here, think he is going to turn out to be the serialkiller's side story.  I like being partially or fully right on things like this when the writing is clever, but iin this instance, not really enjoying the story. 

I'd like to be more interested in Harold Perrineau's character, probably just because he played one of the best Mercutios I've ever seen, but I really really am not. 

This show is hella inconsistent - I don't remember ever watching a show where I really like one epi, then not the next, then I like the next, then I don't like the next.  I'm not sure how they're able to achieve such a discrepancy over and over.  Nice not to see Nolan's  new g.f. for a change.

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2 minutes ago, crowceilidh said:

Nice not to see Nolan's  new g.f. for a change.

THIS ↑ and Nolan's partner not acting like a dick.

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I should have known Caleb was the one with the "tame" opening. Usually, they open with some over the top nonsense (they played the long game).

So Rosiland planned for Scarecrow Caleb to sit in the right spot at the bar for him to meet Chen (knew she will need a beer refill), knew Chen was single/dying to meet someone/loves puppies, knew Bradford would not toss his phone number in the garbage, knew the someone would figure out the book code, knew Tim would recommend she go out for drinks after a rough day, and of course she would call Caleb (not stay home or hang out with West)??!!

What is Rosalind endgame out of all this? Is she planning to escape or just watch her apprentice in action?

If Armstrong is too close to this case, should he have been assigned to this?

I almost had my eye on Del Monte as the killer. He gets hit, has a "band aid" placed over it, and stays on the scene. Only a crazy person doesn't go home with a headache after that. 
 

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9 hours ago, mxc90 said:

He gets hit, has a "band aid" placed over it, and stays on the scene. Only a crazy person doesn't go home with a headache after that. 

He was hit by a ricochet of a splinter.  

I was laying on the mat at the range once when the guy next to me was hit in the forehead by a splinter that ricochet off the backplate.  It didn't break the skin.  By making it a ricochet, they have the option of making it as serious or as trivial as they see fit.

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11 hours ago, rhys said:

Aw man, that guy did seem nice. I'm sure by February 20whatever I'll have forgotten most of these people& this episode, but it was a decent cliffhanger. How was Rosalyn communicating with Caleb while in prison?

I was thinking that Caleb might have been working in the prison library. I am surprised that Bradford didn't do a background check on Chen's date since he pushed her to go out with him. 

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12 minutes ago, AnimeMania said:

I was thinking that Caleb might have been working in the prison library. 

Oh, good call. That would be an excellent way to communicate.

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Apparently the California penal system budget didn't cover a decent lace-front wig for Big Bad Rosalyn. Even if we pretend that's her real hair, that color is obviously artificial, and federal prisons don't allow hair dye.

The two dummies get so excited that they dive down the rabbit hole without letting anybody know; so they almost get killed and the murderer gets away (at least til February).

That said, really, a serial killer? The writers are out of ideas after only 2 seasons, sad. 

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17 minutes ago, sempervivum said:

Apparently the California penal system budget didn't cover a decent lace-front wig for Big Bad Rosalyn. Even if we pretend that's her real hair, that color is obviously artificial, and federal prisons don't allow hair dye.

The actress is a redhead...her hair was bright when she was on 24

Bradford: (looking at computer) Caleb Wright....Navy SEAL...dishonourable discharge...torturing civilians...

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56 minutes ago, paigow said:

The actress is a redhead...her hair was bright when she was on 24

Annie Wersching is always welcome on my TV screen. I enjoyed her time on 24 (except how it ended).

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Well that was a craptastic ending. I should have realized they’d do some kind of cliffhanger before winter hiatus, but I didn’t really see it coming. It doesn’t seem that likely that this serial killer woman would have some kind of outside contact and be able to direct him to show up at a bar where a young female rookie cop would just so happen to be, single, and vulnerable to his wiles.

WTH was the deal with rolling the serial killer around in a wheelchair?  Was that supposed to be some kind of Hannibal Lecter-esque “ooh she’s so dangerous” moment?

Yeah, I will probably forget all about this by Feb 23 except that there was some cliffhanger or other. LOL. So effective!  I’ll be on pins and needles waiting. Not.

i must say, though, that they picked a method of death that has always really disturbed me when included in stories, basically being “buried alive.”  I hate that.

If past cliffhangers are any indication, Chen should be rescued pretty quickly. They tried to make it look like Bradford was gonna die from whatever that infection was supposed to be, but he basically fainted In the cliffhanger and then stood right back up and was fine when the show resumed!

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As soon as they said the name of the accomplice and went to his house I said "That's not his real name.  It's someone they killed and took the identity of and the real accomplice is the guy from the bar."  This happens every week and on the occasion that I'm at my mom's house watching with her she accuses me of having already seen the episode.  And it's not that I'm brilliant, it's that I've seen all the same shows the writers have, with a side of this show being predictable as hell thrown in.  I'm also starting to get outraged every week that Nolan is in the center of it all every time something goes down.  LAPD has 10,103 sworn officers, but they rely on their 45 year old rookie for everything.  And said rookie is always at the elbow of the Watch Commander.  I'm assuming the "Mid-Wilshire" station is supposed to be the Wilshire Community station based on name, but IDK since they've been shown in Hollywood and Downtown and who knows where else, but Hollywood and Downtown aren't even the same bureaus so a single Basic Car wouldn't cover both (LAPD has a neighborhood based approach called the Basic Car Plan so the same officers are always in the same neighborhood and get to know the residents and the community and the problems that face that community).  Anyway, most of the crime at Wilshire is burglary/theft from motor vehicles and home break-ins.  There have been ~10 shootings with victims in the division this year -- none resulting in shoot-outs.  So I get kind of annoyed with all the gun fights Nolan gets into too.  I realize they need action to make the show interesting, but man does it make me miss Southland.  I also think they could draw entertainment from the real types of calls that go on -- there's constantly crazy nonsense involving machetes, axes, and scooters.  I watch this show to turn off my brain and have fun, but it's getting to where it's too dumb for me to do that since it is making me mad.  I'm not a cop, but I do occasionally go to the community advisement board meetings for Mid-Wilshire and keep on top of the types of crimes going on in the area as a concerned citizen and took the 5 minutes needed to better understand LAPD's method of policing, unlike the writers.  I don't hate the show, but I think I like it less than it agitates me, so the balance is not in its favor.

I was happy to see Annie Wersching.  This show does seem to pull decent guests stars.  A large portion have also been on Castle though, so that might explain that.

Anyway, I'm not sure I'm going to remember to tune back in in Feb.  

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40 minutes ago, Blue Plastic said:

Well that was a craptastic ending. I should have realized they’d do some kind of cliffhanger before winter hiatus, but I didn’t really see it coming. It doesn’t seem that likely that this serial killer woman would have some kind of outside contact and be able to direct him to show up at a bar where a young female rookie cop would just so happen to be, single, and vulnerable to his wiles.

I assume he's been stalking various cops that are in the proximity of the Detective from Lost, trying to pick the easiest victim.  So he wasn't just at the bar, he was there because they were.  One thing I know from TV is that a lot of serial killers are super good at stalking.  As to why the cops didn't notice him stalking, they never seem super bright on this show, and the writing needed them to not notice.

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13 hours ago, crowceilidh said:

Some at the beginning of the date, I knew that Chen's date was not going to turn out well and in fact, going out on a limb here, think he is going to turn out to be the serialkiller's side story.  I like being partially or fully right on things like this when the writing is clever, but iin this instance, not really enjoying the story. 

Once he showed up at the police station, I knew he was going to tie into the serial killer plot somehow.  Not really clever at all writing there.

13 hours ago, mxc90 said:

So Rosiland planned for Scarecrow Caleb to sit in the right spot at the bar for him to meet Chen (knew she will need a beer refill), knew Chen was single/dying to meet someone/loves puppies, knew Bradford would not toss his phone number in the garbage, knew the someone would figure out the book code, knew Tim would recommend she go out for drinks after a rough day, and of course she would call Caleb (not stay home or hang out with West)??!!

Yep, once again a plot line that could not exist but for a ridiculous number of coincidences.  Even if Rosalind wasn't involved directly in Caleb targeting Chen, it's still totally unbelievable.  (You left out Caleb happened to know exactly when Chen would be at the police station for him to drop by and give her his phone number.)

And count me among those who think "no way!" is that her real hair color, and it must be great for serial killers to get regular dye jobs in jail.  (I had the same issue with another jailed unnatural redhead in White Collar.)

I think the only part of the episode that played well was Nolan's interactions with Rosalind.  Gotta say, I care little about Chen's abduction and does little to guarantee that I'll be tuning back in in March.  Now, if they promised me copious scenes of Nolan's house all refurbished, that would get me to tune in! 

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14 hours ago, rhys said:

How was Rosalyn communicating with Caleb while in prison?

My guess is whoever was dyeing her hair red was exchanging info between Roslyn and her henchman/guy in bar who picked up Chen who was too smooth from the get, if you ask me. 

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14 hours ago, BooksRule said:

but I was thinking that the detective that they've been working with (Nick) would become the latest victim of the killer (because I figured that it would definitely be 'someone we know', but not a regular).

The night arc is still young, and he’s already been wounded, which should attract the predators even more. 
 

13 hours ago, mxc90 said:

I should have known Caleb was the one with the "tame" opening. Usually, they open with some over the top nonsense (they played the long game).

So Rosiland planned for Scarecrow Caleb to sit in the right spot at the bar for him to meet Chen (knew she will need a beer refill), knew Chen was single/dying to meet someone/loves puppies, knew Bradford would not toss his phone number in the garbage, knew the someone would figure out the book code, knew Tim would recommend she go out for drinks after a rough day, and of course she would call Caleb (not stay home or hang out with West)??!!

What is Rosalind endgame out of all this? Is she planning to escape or just watch her apprentice in action?

If Armstrong is too close to this case, should he have been assigned to this?

I almost had my eye on Del Monte as the killer. He gets hit, has a "band aid" placed over it, and stays on the scene. Only a crazy person doesn't go home with a headache after that. 
 

Just quoting your post because it bears repeating, heh, @mxc90

Plus, when Chen was taking pictures of the body in the morgue I was thinking, WTH? That was how the Major Crimes cops almost lost a case because it was evidence that now needs to be turned over to the defense. Well, hopefully the Rookies will kill all the serial killers so we won’t have to see all that nonsense.
Or Chen can distract her date with torture porn on her phone long enough to escape. Don’t ask me how I know that technique unless you want a really long answer. 

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2 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

I'm also starting to get outraged every week that Nolan is in the center of it all every time something goes down.  LAPD has 10,103 sworn officers, but they rely on their 45 year old rookie for everything.

Yes, I understand what you mean, but the show is called The Rookie and not The Rookie and His 10,102 Fellow Officers. They will continue to concoct "interesting" situations to place him in, even though they are increasingly unlikely. Same with every other show. Presumably all the other cops have interesting experiences too, but this show concentrates only on those of this particular rookie, because in real life, he's really Nathan Fillion!

The Mostest Dangerousest Serial Killer The World Has Ever Seen (because Red Hair).  Let's gather together a bunch of - by definition - partially trained and minimally experienced rookie cops and let them handle it!

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US Marshalls track fugitives, but it would make sense to involve them in transporting and retaining control of a prisoner in the field....

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One of the courses open in prison Vocational Training is hairdressing, so it is not so unlikely that Rosalind  would have access to semi-professional colouring.

I wouldn't mind seeing an all "Day of the Stupid Criminal" show. The Sex Toy Thief in this episode was memorable, as was the porch pirate. And who can forget Castle's run ins with West Side Willie and Jessup the WouldBe Locksmith. 

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My recording keeps cutting out and going back to the beginning after they find the second body. Will someone fill me in? Thanks!

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11 hours ago, Netfoot said:

Yes, I understand what you mean, but the show is called The Rookie and not The Rookie and His 10,102 Fellow Officers. They will continue to concoct "interesting" situations to place him in, even though they are increasingly unlikely. Same with every other show. Presumably all the other cops have interesting experiences too, but this show concentrates only on those of this particular rookie, because in real life, he's really Nathan Fillion!

The Mostest Dangerousest Serial Killer The World Has Ever Seen (because Red Hair).  Let's gather together a bunch of - by definition - partially trained and minimally experienced rookie cops and let them handle it!

I realize it is called The Rookie and the premise is that he's the focus, but it's still absurd.  The Resident, is an example of a show with a similar title but has managed to keep the focus as more of an ensemble -- not that that show doesn't have its own problems.  It's possible that my problem is I'm watching a bunch of shitty TV shows and expecting too much of them and I need to rethink my viewing habits.  Hell, I'll even upgrade it to probable.  

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19 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

  I'm assuming the "Mid-Wilshire" station is supposed to be the Wilshire Community station based on name, but IDK since they've been shown in Hollywood and Downtown and who knows where else, but Hollywood and Downtown aren't even the same bureaus so a single Basic Car wouldn't cover both (LAPD has a neighborhood based approach called the Basic Car Plan so the same officers are always in the same neighborhood and get to know the residents and the community and the problems that face that community).  Anyway, most of the crime at Wilshire is burglary/theft from motor vehicles and home break-ins.  There have been ~10 shootings with victims in the division this year -- none resulting in shoot-outs.  So I get kind of annoyed with all the gun fights Nolan gets into too.  I realize they need action to make the show interesting, but man does it make me miss Southland.  I also think they could draw entertainment from the real types of calls that go on -- there's constantly crazy nonsense involving machetes, axes, and scooters.  I watch this show to turn off my brain and have fun, but it's getting to where it's too dumb for me to do that since it is making me mad.  I'm not a cop, but I do occasionally go to the community advisement board meetings for Mid-Wilshire and keep on top of the types of crimes going on in the area as a concerned citizen and took the 5 minutes needed to better understand LAPD's method of policing, unlike the writers.  I don't hate the show, but I think I like it less than it agitates me, so the balance is not in its favor.

Real world Wilshire Division would be further west into Mid City, when the name changed from South Wilshire in the first season to Mid Wilshire then that brings us to the northern part of  the real world Olympic Division area. Close to downtown  and to the north bordering on eastern Hollywood.

I remember the retired officer on the Southland forum stating that if a show wanted to stay in one divisional area the most diverse would be either North Hollywood or Wilshire Divisions. Wouldn't you know it when 9-1-1  premiered they were in North Hollywood  before showing up all over the county just like Emergency or 1 Adam-12  being in different areas than the "1" or Central Division placed them in.

But then since the LAPD doesn't have area identifying insignia like the NYPD does well only LA locals who notice that parallel streets are identified as cross streets and east and west running streets are identified as north and south, like South Wilshire Division of season one 

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I am not sure how much more I can take of the dumb stuff on this show. My favorite dumb thing was when they go to search the cell and they tell the Department of correction guy that they have fresh eyes and might find something they missed. Then proceeded to look under the mattress and a sheet lying on the floor. I was waiting in the guy to say something like “gee we never would have thought bro look there”. Then they decipher the code and the signature is a full name. How many people did they think she was corresponding with if she had to have them sign with there last name. 

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I don't know if it's good or bad that I don't care for Annie Wershing - I mean, I suppose it's good to dislike the character, and if you're not fond of the actress, that might add to it.

I found it odd that Lucy wouldn't be the least put out that this guy she met once, who only knew she was a cop, showed up at her work to give her his number. I was with Bradford on that one. That's very stalkery, so I had him pegged as a bad guy from then on.

My take on the serial killer's plan is that she didn't manage who he picked (at first) as much as where he put the bodies. As for him picking Lucy, it seems most likely she had him stalk Nick so that the last victim would be someone he'd know. Who, specifically, probably didn't matter.

I know they were able to get a print of the last body - but did they actually say who it was? If not, maybe both "fresh" bodies are connected to him.

I was "meh" on the episode in general. It had a few nice moments, but too many cliches.

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Some of this episode reminded me a lot of BOSCH- old LA Zoo  and other stuff.  I think it was Bosch.  And Annie Wersching!

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I'm still confused on one plot point so hope someone can help me here:

Is Nick's wife (Rebecca?) alive or dead? Is he on a first or second wife? Not sure if it's relevant but I'm curious. Love Harold Perrineau (though I never watched Lost, I loved him on Oz). I'm sure he will not survive this season and frankly was shocked he survived this episode. 

Finally, gotta admit I missed there being no moments of levity this week. I understand it was a serious cliffhanger but one thing I love about this show is that it balances procedural drama with lighter moments. 

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35 minutes ago, PamelaMaeSnap said:

I'm still confused on one plot point so hope someone can help me here:

Is Nick's wife (Rebecca?) alive or dead? Is he on a first or second wife? Not sure if it's relevant but I'm curious. Love Harold Perrineau (though I never watched Lost, I loved him on Oz). I'm sure he will not survive this season and frankly was shocked he survived this episode. 

Finally, gotta admit I missed there being no moments of levity this week. I understand it was a serious cliffhanger but one thing I love about this show is that it balances procedural drama with lighter moments. 

His wife is dead, and I don't think he has/had another one. I like the actor too, but for me the shows were reversed.

Yes, I agree, the moments of levity were sorely missed. 

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Does Caleb have keys to the zoo? if he carried all those girls through the sewer and UP ...while parking suspiciously on a main road...then dude deserves MVV 2019.

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I thought they said "Someone you know will die!"  At first I figured it would be Nick, then when Wesley was unconscious on the couch, with the pills and alcohol both prominently placed, I figured that was it.  Nope.  Actually, nobody we knew died.  I don't now whether to be disappointed that they lied to us, or disappointed that I fell for it.  Things don't look good for Lucy right now, but she has a good TO; she'll be back and smiling when they resume in February, just as Bradford barely blinked when he was "supposed" to die.  Oh well.

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8 hours ago, Raja said:

Real world Wilshire Division would be further west into Mid City, when the name changed from South Wilshire in the first season to Mid Wilshire then that brings us to the northern part of  the real world Olympic Division area. Close to downtown  and to the north bordering on eastern Hollywood.

I remember the retired officer on the Southland forum stating that if a show wanted to stay in one divisional area the most diverse would be either North Hollywood or Wilshire Divisions. Wouldn't you know it when 9-1-1  premiered they were in North Hollywood  before showing up all over the county just like Emergency or 1 Adam-12  being in different areas than the "1" or Central Division placed them in.

But then since the LAPD doesn't have area identifying insignia like the NYPD does well only LA locals who notice that parallel streets are identified as cross streets and east and west running streets are identified as north and south, like South Wilshire Division of season one 

The Wilshire Community station is located in Mid-City, but the boundaries include the neighborhood known as Mid-Wilshire.  In theory (based on DOT signage) the Olympic Community station is also located in Mid-City, as a Mid-City resident though, I think of that area as more Pico Union/Midtown.  I think the area you are thinking of as Mid-Wilshire is actually Wilshire Center, which I'm pretty sure is in the Olympic station borders.  I live in Mid-City, just south of Mid-Wilshire, and probably spend at least 10 hours a month at the Wilshire station, so I am familiar with the area and where the police station is located.  I am not as familiar with the crime stats for the Olympic division, but I know enough to know they are not constantly getting into shoot outs and transporting serial killers either.  There are really not a lot of police involved shoot outs in LA as a whole.  I believe you are correct that the community served by Wilshire is one of the most diverse in LA, but the census is coming up so those stats may change.  

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Huh. Well now we don't have anything until February? That was not the best episode for a winter finale, should've been less predictable. The second we saw the guy from the opening again, we had to pause the DVR and go "YUP HE'S A CREEPER HE'S GONNA DO SOME CRIME"

On 12/9/2019 at 1:30 PM, Blue Plastic said:

Well that was a craptastic ending. I should have realized they’d do some kind of cliffhanger before winter hiatus, but I didn’t really see it coming. It doesn’t seem that likely that this serial killer woman would have some kind of outside contact and be able to direct him to show up at a bar where a young female rookie cop would just so happen to be, single, and vulnerable to his wiles.

WTH was the deal with rolling the serial killer around in a wheelchair?  Was that supposed to be some kind of Hannibal Lecter-esque “ooh she’s so dangerous” moment?

Yeah, I will probably forget all about this by Feb 23 except that there was some cliffhanger or other. LOL. So effective!  I’ll be on pins and needles waiting. Not.

i must say, though, that they picked a method of death that has always really disturbed me when included in stories, basically being “buried alive.”  I hate that.

If past cliffhangers are any indication, Chen should be rescued pretty quickly. They tried to make it look like Bradford was gonna die from whatever that infection was supposed to be, but he basically fainted In the cliffhanger and then stood right back up and was fine when the show resumed!

So we watched this episode this evening.

When they just showed her in the wheelchair, we were like "Okay, they're panning up to her head, is she gonna be gagged or wearing a mask? Come onnnn!"

This show is just so uneven.

On 12/9/2019 at 2:21 PM, The Ringo Kidd said:

Obviously she just popped in with the time machine from Timeless which is how she keeps her hair so red.

Well duh

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On 12/9/2019 at 12:51 AM, mxc90 said:

I should have known Caleb was the one with the "tame" opening. Usually, they open with some over the top nonsense (they played the long game).

So Rosiland planned for Scarecrow Caleb to sit in the right spot at the bar for him to meet Chen (knew she will need a beer refill), knew Chen was single/dying to meet someone/loves puppies, knew Bradford would not toss his phone number in the garbage, knew the someone would figure out the book code, knew Tim would recommend she go out for drinks after a rough day, and of course she would call Caleb (not stay home or hang out with West)??!!

What is Rosalind endgame out of all this? Is she planning to escape or just watch her apprentice in action?

If Armstrong is too close to this case, should he have been assigned to this?

I almost had my eye on Del Monte as the killer. He gets hit, has a "band aid" placed over it, and stays on the scene. Only a crazy person doesn't go home with a headache after that. 
 

There were just tons of dumb serial killer tropes in this, like that they are geniuses who have meticulous long term plans and can outsmart everyone else.

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Do these "cliffhangers" really make anyone anxious? 

The only issue for me is remembering the cliffhanger by the time the show airs again. Forget about caring what happens next

Clearly, I am not the target audience. 😏

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On 12/10/2019 at 4:35 PM, PamelaMaeSnap said:

Finally, gotta admit I missed there being no moments of levity this week. I understand it was a serious cliffhanger but one thing I love about this show is that it balances procedural drama with lighter moments. 

We did get the package thief running away and then coming back because the dog went after him.

On 12/14/2019 at 8:51 AM, ketose said:

There were just tons of dumb serial killer tropes in this, like that they are geniuses who have meticulous long term plans and can outsmart everyone else.

What annoys me the most about serial killers is they get to live in comfy cells, all the health care our tax money can buy, and apparently, all the books a serial killer who is a voracious reader wants to read.  Her victims don't have anything anymore; why should she?

Nick said serial killers love attention, so you'd think she'd be in solitary where she gets no attention or books.

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On 12/10/2019 at 3:16 PM, Clanstarling said:

I found it odd that Lucy wouldn't be the least put out that this guy she met once, who only knew she was a cop, showed up at her work to give her his number. I was with Bradford on that one. That's very stalkery, so I had him pegged as a bad guy from then on.

For someone who was all "single men suck" at the start of the episode, I found it pretty annoying that she seemed to become obsessed with him so quickly and easily, with no concern that he came to her place of work. I mean, all the photos of him on her phone and the constant texting and everything alreadyIt just felt orchestrated to get to that ending.

I feel bad for that poor girl Nolan and his partner found. She already had her "date of death" tattooed into her skin. I hope she finds someone to remove it or cover it up so she doesn't have to see that horrific reminder every time she changes her clothes. *shudder

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9 hours ago, izabella said:

We did get the package thief running away and then coming back because the dog went after him.

What annoys me the most about serial killers is they get to live in comfy cells, all the health care our tax money can buy, and apparently, all the books a serial killer who is a voracious reader wants to read.  Her victims don't have anything anymore; why should she?

Nick said serial killers love attention, so you'd think she'd be in solitary where she gets no attention or books.

Years of lawsuits have determined that anyone incarcerated has to be given certain allowances. In the US, it may even become difficult to execute people soon, because most other countries won't provide the chemicals for lethal injection.

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18 hours ago, ketose said:

most other countries won't provide the chemicals for lethal injection.

You could always use a rope...

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On 12/9/2019 at 2:10 PM, yourmomiseasy said:

As soon as they said the name of the accomplice and went to his house I said "That's not his real name.  It's someone they killed and took the identity of and the real accomplice is the guy from the bar."  

Yep, the trick with these shows is that there's usually so few characters in the episode and you know that the big reveal won't be one of the regular characters on the series.

That left two characters - the Assistant DA and the guy at the bar.  It had to be one of the two.

Once you've seen enough of these shows and are familiar with the genre, it's rare to get genuinely surprised.  It's like shows or movies with confidence games - either the con artist is betrayed by one of his fellow con men or the mark turns the tables and has been a con man running a con all along.

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On 12/16/2019 at 3:39 PM, izabella said:

What annoys me the most about serial killers is they get to live in comfy cells, all the health care our tax money can buy, and apparently, all the books a serial killer who is a voracious reader wants to read.  Her victims don't have anything anymore; why should she?

It is much cheaper to incarcerate someone for life than it is to execute them. They get some healthcare, but it isn't exactly the best - or exactly whenever they need it (Look at all of the cases where prisoners die due to neglect). They get books, but the books they get tend to be very old books, and it is getting harder and harder for books to be donated to prisons - particularly federal prisons.

Death penalty cases cost a median of $1.26 million. A non death penalty court case costs a median of $740,000.

https://www.amnestyusa.org/issues/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost/

It costs an average of $31,000 to house a prisoner for a year. Let's say they murder someone and get caught at 25. Let's say they live until 75, that's 50 years, or $1,550,000.

A death penalty case costs just a little bit more than it does to house a prisoner (all costs included) for 50 years.

https://www.marketplace.org/2017/05/19/how-much-does-it-cost-send-someone-prison/

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They get books, but the books they get tend to be very old books, and it is getting harder and harder for books to be donated to prisons - particularly federal prisons.

 

I was told at a Friends of the Library Book Sale a couple of years back, that prisons cannot accept donations of hardcover books. Only paperbacks.

And that crime fiction was the most popular genre with prisoners.

 

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Anyone know if Daniel Lissing is coming back? I hadn't seen anything online, but West did imply they are regularly seeing each other, so I'm guessing that's going to be an ongoing arc?

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On 12/21/2019 at 2:48 AM, bros402 said:

It is much cheaper to incarcerate someone for life than it is to execute them. They get some healthcare, but it isn't exactly the best - or exactly whenever they need it (Look at all of the cases where prisoners die due to neglect). They get books, but the books they get tend to be very old books, and it is getting harder and harder for books to be donated to prisons - particularly federal prisons.

Death penalty cases cost a median of $1.26 million. A non death penalty court case costs a median of $740,000.

https://www.amnestyusa.org/issues/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost/

It costs an average of $31,000 to house a prisoner for a year. Let's say they murder someone and get caught at 25. Let's say they live until 75, that's 50 years, or $1,550,000.

A death penalty case costs just a little bit more than it does to house a prisoner (all costs included) for 50 years.

https://www.marketplace.org/2017/05/19/how-much-does-it-cost-send-someone-prison/

But Shawshank run by an honest Warden and guards that reinvested the labour revenue into the prison budget would turn a profit regardless of how many versions of Red & Brooks stayed for 50 years.....

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I really like this show but did not like this episode.  At all.  Very cliched and predictable.  Of course the redheaded killer would toy with the cops, of course she'd pick Nolan to be her special confidant, of course Nolan would be the guy to jump down the tunnel (without backup, mind you), of course Caleb at the bar would be the accomplice killer, and of course Lucy would be grabbed as a set-up for the next episode.  And, OF COURSE, she will be saved at the last possible moment-probably by Nolan.  I've seen this plot 1001 times over the years.  Add to all this plot holes you could drive a truck through.  So, nope, I didn't like it. 

 

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