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I know the show has been working overtime to try and convince everyone that Michael is a savvy businessman, a swaggering full of sex appeal rooster, calculate, conning and full on dangerous, and just overall awesome, but it feels like they're trying to convince themselves more than they are trying to convince the audience at this point.

Michael is a total dud as a character and also a turd. No amount of putting into dialogue the white paint awesomeness that is Michael will change that, Show. And no one appreciates the effort. How about coming up with good storylines instead?

I get the feeling that Willow will again be on the opposite side of the fence on this Brad thing, but she folded faster than a cheap suit over the Nina issue last time, so can't really expect much out of her.

The writers are clearly into torture porn, because that's what it felt like watching Drew being controlled into potentially killing his brother and then self-harming. Yes, that's exactly what I wanna see at 2pm, someone being mindfucked into cutting themselves. Can we end this storyline already.

The Kip scenes were good, but this show doesn't know when to stop. So I expect to see the actor back and back and back. I'm pretty sure it's not his first stint on the show either, but I could be completely wrong on this one.

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8 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I know the show has been working overtime to try and convince everyone that Michael is a savvy businessman, a swaggering full of sex appeal rooster, calculate, conning and full on dangerous, and just overall awesome, but it feels like they're trying to convince themselves more than they are trying to convince the audience at this point.

Michael is a total dud as a character and also a turd. No amount of putting into dialogue the white paint awesomeness that is Michael will change that, Show. And no one appreciates the effort. How about coming up with good storylines instead?

The only thing that would fix Michael at this point is a recast. CD doesn't have the charisma to make Michael interesting. 

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The expression on NuWylie's face when Nina Carly was hugging him. "Get this person away from me."  He was much better with Harmony.

Willow, let the poor kid colour on his own instead of trying to make everything into s graduate seminar.  It would be better for his attention span and imagination to be left alone.

Are they trying to make Michael into the new head of the Corinthos mob now that Sonny has developed some nuance? CD was trying to channel Tony Soprano today.

Sonny: Mrs. Wu saved the lives of two people I care about.  Carly & Michael: Who cares? We want our revenge on Brad for taking such good care of Wylie for a year and showing us up.

Forget Obrecht and anyone else, Jason is going to be the one to overcome Drew's brainwashing. End. Peter. Now.

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10 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Yes, that's exactly what I wanna see at 2pm, someone being mindfucked into cutting themselves.

Other soaps. 
campy banter, flirting, sex in the afternoon. some cheesy storylines, but some really laugh out loud moments. (well Days of our lives going by the promo, i dunno about the other two).

GH:
mob wars, torture, prison stuff. There is nothing light on this show right now. not even the teen stuff is light because they are dealing with Spencer being the stalker and prison and crap.  and I give zero poops about Joss and Cam having sex because quite frankly, I think Cam deserves 2010101010338188447171 times better than Joss. (like the real story right there should be Esme running her con but falling for Cam as Spencer is clearly a smitten kitten over Trina but noooooo). 

Like this episode was supposed to make me root for Michael, and Sonny and Carly. Root for what? Michael had to live a year without his son - and he's learned nothing from that agony because he's more than willing to cut anyone out of his kid's life that he doesn't like. (not to mention. thre was ZERO drama in regards to Wiley like "omg how is this gonna impact Wiley." like everything else does. he won't care at all). I'm supposed to cheer for people who do the exact same things (or worse)  to others because they have their feelings hurt. like. come on. 

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13 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

The expression on NuWylie's face when Nina was hugging him. "Get this person away from me."  He was much better with Harmony.

You meant Carly right?   It was hilarious and probably what most of us would feel being forced to hug Carly.  

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4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Are they trying to make Michael into the new head of the Corinthos mob now that Sonny has developed some nuance? CD was trying to channel Tony Soprano today.

Any "power" Michael has comes from him being a Corinthos and, to a lesser degree, a Quartermaine, not because he himself is some amazing wheeler-dealing big shot.

"My mother was on her best behavior." You suck, Willow. Harmony grovels every time she sees you, so at least acknowledge she's trying to make amends. Ugh. And seriously, to keep harping on Brad having Wiley for a year when Wiley remembers nothing, was greatly loved and well taken care of, and was handed over with barely a whimper just makes Michael look super petty. YOU HAVE YOUR DUMB KID. Stop dwelling in the past.

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7 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

And seriously, to keep harping on Brad having Wiley for a year when Wiley remembers nothing, was greatly loved and well taken care of, and was handed over with barely a whimper just makes Michael look super petty.

And spent 50% of the time with Michael and Willow anyway.  

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OMG Brooklyn was driving me crazy with all her weird mouth tics today.  She really needs to get that situation under control.

Another day, another horrible Maxie outfit.  That sweater will give me nightmares.

Drew cutting himself was kind of disturbing to me.  I like the drama of soaps, but that was a little too much.  

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26 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Any "power" Michael has comes from him being a Corinthos and, to a lesser degree, a Quartermaine, not because he himself is some amazing wheeler-dealing big shot.

"My mother was on her best behavior." You suck, Willow. Harmony grovels every time she sees you, so at least acknowledge she's trying to make amends. Ugh. And seriously, to keep harping on Brad having Wiley for a year when Wiley remembers nothing, was greatly loved and well taken care of, and was handed over with barely a whimper just makes Michael look super petty. YOU HAVE YOUR DUMB KID. Stop dwelling in the past.

Carly and Sonny to  AJ/Quatermaines: Whatever. Michael loved us, he wanted to be with us, Jason is super close to him like a father, get over it. 

Carly, Michael, Sonny to Nelle and brad: YOU ARE EVIL. YOU TOOK WILEY AWAY FROM US! HOW COULD YOU?! YOU NEED TO PAAAAYYYYYY. YOU BETTER NOT COME WITHIN A CITY BLOCK BETWEEN ME AND MY KID.

i would pay good money if Brad comes out, wiley sees him and goes. "Daddy? is that you! I missed you!!" just to see Carly and Michael freak out. 

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24 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Like this episode was supposed to make me root for Michael, and Sonny and Carly. Root for what? Michael had to live a year without his son - and he's learned nothing from that agony because he's more than willing to cut anyone out of his kid's life that he doesn't like. (not to mention. thre was ZERO drama in regards to Wiley like "omg how is this gonna impact Wiley." like everything else does. he won't care at all). I'm supposed to cheer for people who do the exact same things (or worse)  to others because they have their feelings hurt. like. come on. 

It's one of the things that I can't stand about the Corinthos clan -- that a slight scratch for them is worse than a fatal wound to anyone else.  And they feed off of their resentment for these slights as if they were harpies nourished by the blood of their 'enemies'.

8 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Why did Jason even need to be gagged?  

No reason, because as Peter pointed out he doesn't talk anyway. But I won't object to the symbolism.

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1 hour ago, perkie1968 said:

Why did Jason even need to be gagged?  

I think that he was gagged so that he wouldn't interfere with Drew being controlled by Peter. 

Also, that plot armor is working overtime for Peter, but the show is trying to sell very hard how he is the inheritor of Faison's legacy.

Like get the fuck outta here, writers. Peter is the inheritor of Wylie Coyote's legacy, not Faison's.

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1 hour ago, tvgoddess said:

That was a whole lot of awful. No Show, Michael is not this badass that you're apparently making him out to be. Talk about a retcon.

THIS WAS A SWEEPS EPISODE? 

I tried to watch but it was so lame I cleaned the bathroom and swept the floors. I did glance at the television when Britt was on but that unfortunately came with a side-order of Peter and Jason. I don't mind Drew but I could do without the torture-porn.

Come on Show, give us something!!!

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On 11/8/2021 at 6:04 PM, Melgaypet said:

Ha! I don't know if any of you have ever had occasion to visit someone in prison, but I have, and there is, in fact, a dress code for visitors. One of the biggest rules is no tight, revealing, or see-through clothing. (The others were no clothes with profanity, or drug or gang references printed on it, and no clothes the same color as the prison jumpsuit.)

and absolutely no jewelry or cigarettes.

eta:  I absolutely CANNOT imagine Michael and Wilow having sex.  They seem like two robots who lack emotion no matter how they try to imply that they are sexual.   Epic fail.

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47 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Like get the fuck outta here, writers. Peter is the inheritor of Wylie Coyote's legacy, not Faison's.

Peter has very successfully avoided being killed for years, so maybe he's more of Faison's son that we want to give him credit for. It's sheer plot point that prevents anyone from giving him that final, fatal bullet, which is what makes it so aggravatingly stupid.

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10 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Peter has very successfully avoided being killed for years, so maybe he's more of Faison's son that we want to give him credit for. It's sheer plot point that prevents anyone from giving him that final, fatal bullet, which is what makes it so aggravatingly stupid.

The only reason he's been successful at not being killed is because the writers are working overtime to keep him alive. The end. 

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4 hours ago, Daisy said:

..... showing a card and saying "your active" triggers it? good gravy. 

Writers, please re-watch the Manchurian Candidate (preferably the first version), for the right dramatic way to trigger, and then break the conditioning. (Peter is no Angela Lansbury, for sure!)

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Um, Sonny, if you're speaking as head of the family, why should you ask Carly and Michael if they agree after the fact? Either tell them the way it is going to be, or wait until you have consensus before making the commitment. 

Is this an attempt to show that Sonny is letting his experience as "Mike" affect him?

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31 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Is this an attempt to show that Sonny is letting his experience as "Mike" affect him?

That would be my guess. The problem is that the writing is still trying to have it both ways so that Sonny is unable to come down hard the way a real mob boss would when Carly and Michael don't want to do what he wants.

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I'm glad BL's "baby daddy" asked what his motivations for this whole facade was because the plan made no damn sense. And why didn't Gladys ask why he would let another man raise his baby? Anyways now that Austin has seen the payoff, this story will get a lot more complicated and further hijinx by the baby daddy will ensue. HOPEFULLY Peter will be dead soon.

 

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Breast milk?  At this rate, Baileylu will be able to order a beer by the time she is returned to Maxie.

Wylie:  I'm not supposed to take candy from strangers.

Me:  Remember last week?  You probably went out for Halloween and took plenty of candy from strangers.  Or hundred dollar bills, not sure what they hand out in rich neighborhoods.

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I can't with this writing where we're supposed to believe Michael is some vengeful, Machiavellian mastermind who is being hindered by Broom-Dancer Mike in his pursuit of MAKING PEOPLE PAY.  Good god, do Carly and Michael hear themselves with the constant "so and so TOOK so and so away from US for XXX time--they must pay."  First off, Brad is in prison and has been for a couple years.  Do they think he deserves the death penalty (they probably do)?  Secondly, Carly's "Michael found a way to legally make Nina pay."  Yeah, I don't care how many times the show screams IDENTITY FRAUD, it's a made-up crime the DA is pushing because Milquetoast Mikey bribed him. 

Then we have poor Country Mouse Willow, who acts like a deer in the headlights when her mother just comes up and says hello.  And proceeds to tell Michael she "was on her best behavior" as if usually she runs up to Willow and spits in her face.  These two idiots deserve each other.

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I hope all this talk of Brad and appearances by Mrs. Woo means that Brad is returning and he’s actually getting a storyline. But then I think about how everyone’s been talking about Hayden for two months and nada, and I remember to stop holding my breath.

Michael acting like a cutthroat badass with his pouty little scowl just makes me giggle.

14 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

The Kip scenes were good, but this show doesn't know when to stop. So I expect to see the actor back and back and back.

Careful, this is how we ended up with Spinelli.

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My two surprising highlights:

Peter instructing for Jason to be gagged, and when trying to reason for his actions, finally shrugging and saying, “whatever, I don’t like him.” It was the most likable Peter has ever been.

Michael declaring that Willow is a part of the family and invited to the private meeting with Carly and Sonny, and Willow  immediately declining the invitation. Girl only wants to be a Quartermaine. 

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14 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I think that he was gagged so that he wouldn't interfere with Drew being controlled by Peter. 

Well that's even worst.  It's bad enough that looking at a card sets him off (close your eyes Drew!!) but there has to be silence when he does it?   Be vewy vewy qwuiet.  

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34 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Well that's even worst.  It's bad enough that looking at a card sets him off (close your eyes Drew!!) but there has to be silence when he does it?   Be vewy vewy qwuiet.  

I feel like it was to give an excuse for Jason to not bark orders back at Drew, since he "knows" how to deprogram him now. But yeah, it was totally pointless. I also liked when they ripped off the tape, and it was obvious that it was barely sticky enough to hang onto his face. 

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3 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Michael declaring that Willow is a part of the family and invited to the private meeting with Carly and Sonny, and Willow  immediately declining the invitation. Girl only wants to be a Quartermaine. 

Willow is smart to decline the invitation to the Corinthos "family" meeting.  

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3 hours ago, absnow54 said:

My two surprising highlights:

Peter instructing for Jason to be gagged, and when trying to reason for his actions, finally shrugging and saying, “whatever, I don’t like him.” It was the most likable Peter has ever been.

Michael declaring that Willow is a part of the family and invited to the private meeting with Carly and Sonny, and Willow  immediately declining the invitation. Girl only wants to be a Quartermaine. 

If Peter is going to be around, they really need to lean into that aspect. 

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5 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

I hope all this talk of Brad and appearances by Mrs. Woo means that Brad is returning and he’s actually getting a storyline. But then I think about how everyone’s been talking about Hayden for two months and nada, and I remember to stop holding my breath.

As a Brad/PS fan, my fear is Brad is only being brought back to be killed and kick off the next lame mob war/SL. The only writer to treat Brad with any respect was RC, and he’s long gone. I don’t have any faith in these writers to just let the man be released and go about his life or that he would ever get another storyline as he had under RC. No, that would be too simple and kind. They don’t care enough about Brad to do that.

AFAIC, they used Brad a few years ago for their crappy baby switch, and I could see them using him again! His death could start a “mob war” btw Sonny and Mrs. Wu because that would be so entertaining! 🙄

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21 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

She'll make a good mob wife. Knows her place.

Remember when Willow was all worked up not wanting Julian, the guy who left a mob and was running a legit business, to be part of her son's life and it was just the criteria for Lucas and Brad being able to adopt her child?

My how things have changed.

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13 minutes ago, lala2 said:

As a Brad/PS fan, my fear is Brad is only being brought back to be killed and kick off the next lame mob war/SL. The only writer to treat Brad with any respect was RC, and he’s long gone. I don’t have any faith in these writers to just let the man be released and go about his life or that he would ever get another storyline as he had under RC. No, that would be too simple and kind. They don’t care enough about Brad to do that.

I feel like Sonny has enough drama between the Novak's and Cyrus to keep him busy. If anything, Brad would be to give Britt another person to interact with, and for Michael and Willow to have angst. 

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1 minute ago, YaddaYadda said:

Remember when Willow was all worked up not wanting Julian, the guy who left a mob and was running a legit business, to be part of her son's life and it was just the criteria for Lucas and Brad being able to adopt her child?

My how things have changed.

yeah. she wasn't sleeping with Julian and Julian drew the whole "I get to be the deadbeat scum dad everyone hates even though Sonny is just like me and/or worse" Card. 

It's so tiring 
Portia is all "don' you be around Spencer and Nik now, they're trouble." but is okay with her daughter rooming with the step daughter of a mob boss because "he works so hard to protect his children."

anything Nik does these days is wrong, but Sonny hears that Nik and Ava are going to take their daughter out of the country and before even you know asking about it - he's going to kill Nikolas. Everyone is okay with this 

Everyone keeps saying that they want to keep Michael away from the "bidniz" notice that Michael is always eager to leap up to the chance to be a part of it should the opportunity arise? but Willow is all Michael is soo perfect for me

and since this show refuses to killl that kid, or Joss or anything, anytime anyone says anything they are like meh...look how you over-react. 

as much as I hate Guza, at least there were some consequences from hanging around the Corinthi all the time.

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12 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Remember when Willow was all worked up not wanting Julian, the guy who left a mob and was running a legit business, to be part of her son's life and it was just the criteria for Lucas and Brad being able to adopt her child?

My how things have changed.

I KNOW. It's so aggravating. But because it's Michael the Golden Child, things are completely different. And to think I used to really like Willow. I really want Wiley to take a fatal bullet, but that will never happen.

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3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I KNOW. It's so aggravating. But because it's Michael the Golden Child, things are completely different. And to think I used to really like Willow. I really want Wiley to take a fatal bullet, but that will never happen.

even if they did, it's not like it would mean anything, see Michael. 

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1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

Remember when Willow was all worked up not wanting Julian, the guy who left a mob and was running a legit business, to be part of her son's life and it was just the criteria for Lucas and Brad being able to adopt her child?

My how things have changed.

She was a hypocrite from the start. IIRC Carly, mob wife, wrote his letter of recommendation and Willow didn’t have an issue with Wiley being around Sonny or Carly even before she got involved with Michael. It was just another way to dump on Julian. I was never a huge fan of the character but it was gross how he still got treated like the town pariah after leaving the mob while the active mobsters were lauded. 

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1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

My how things have changed.

They haven't though. As @ffwbe wrote (while I was typing), Willow was only too happy to accept Carly writing a letter of support for Lucas and Brad evenwhile she was all "No! My child cannot have any contact with Julian! He's a mobster!"

It's always a different set of rules for the Corinthii.

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4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

And to think I used to really like Willow.

She really gelled well with Chase.  They were sparkly.

23 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Any "power" Michael has comes from him being a Corinthos and, to a lesser degree, a Quartermaine, not because he himself is some amazing wheeler-dealing big shot.

While I was figuring out which part of yesterday's episode turned up the rage, the most - Michael won.  Bragging about how he had Nina arrested for lying - to a murderer, extortionist, trafficker, etc... 

A close second was MB who keeps glancing at the floor trying to read/remember his lines. 

Maxie/Country Doc took third with a splendid example of negative chemistry.

Both AS and KS should not be in the same scene.  Between Maxie's constant whining and AS's facial ticks - their scenes aren't any more pleasurable to watch than the teen set.

GH's TPTB had me fooled into thinking that I might be entertained with a ridiculous international caper involving Anna, Valentine, and Robert Scorpio with a side of Scottie/Obrecht thrown in.  Why is the viewer supposed to care about Drew/Jason?  Peter was more likeable in yesterday's episode than either Drew/Jason/Britt. 

The last Brad stint involved the character for a year repeating the same scene over and over and over again- terrified of the truth coming out.  One note. 

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Today's Notes

Such ominous music for no live music at the Savoy. Apparently there is stuff about the Savoy being connected to mob violence. (maybe this is why you shouldn't have Carly in your bar.). 

Poor Cam. Screw Jr. wants to sleep with him. :( lmao. Trina is like. whatever. (why are these people living in campus when they live in town?) and is also why the eff are you going to sleep with Cam anyway? Trina is preaching truth and you've only been dating for 2 months or something, so whatever.

Do they do everything at GH? AA meetings, regular check ups, the whole 9 yards. Anyway. Dante is all :O that Alexis is out of jail. 

i'm really bored already

Nina. girl get over Sonny. Shawn is kinda flirty with her so it's nice. (if you know if I cared about Shawn). 

So....did they drop the Trina father thing again?

Violet, you have frosting all over your hands. That's what your mouth is for, girl. Don't waste napkins on frosting. lol

why is this show so determined to be boring

To paraphrase Tywin Lannister: any person who has to say they are an adult is not an adult. 

What is this BS? Nina was going to buy the bar for Phyllis so she can own it. Sonny threw a tantrum and was like no let me buy it for Phyllis. Now Sonny is like "well i want you to manage it." (oh okay they explained it. okay that makes sense.). and then Nina compares Sonny to Mike. Nina, channel your inner Elsa and let it goo

Also. stfu Shawn "you made sure i was okay in pentinville." of course. ahuh. 

Nik flew from Elizabeth's to kelly's. that's a nice superpower.

I do not care about the Man in the Hat.  

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Best moment: Scot slipping Cameron a condom in a handshake.

Is Sonny going to tell Phyllis that he murdered the last owner of Charlie's?  Just wonderin'.

The juxtaposition of Sonny being nice to Phyllis and scummy to so many other people makes it hard to believe either persona.

Who put the 50 gallons of ice cream into Nina's freezer/ What happened to all of the other groceries that were delivered? Why did Nina not notice this when she paid her bills?

I liked Dante telling Alexis not to be so hard on herself.

If Curtis was as good a bar manager as he thinks he is, he would have a couple of back-up bands on retainer for no shows. He's willing to take Portia's recommendation without hearing them but turns down the other guy, also without hearing him.  Also Curtis, it takes 2 to have a mob connection and you were only too happy to have Carly there.

I thought that it was the mob getting bands to bail but looks like it's nefarious Hat Man.

I loved Portia's shirt. Maxie and Sam, on the other hand....

The first time I had sex, I didn't discuss it either before or after and my best friend didn't care. Joss/Cameron sex   Trina wins with her talk to Joss. First Spencer and now Joss and Nik. She should be the one consider psychology rather than Esme.

A 7&7 (Seagrams 7 Crown and 7 Up) doesn't sound appealing to me..

"Since Spencer renounced his name and his inheritance, I though the'd want to work every minute he could to earn money."  Nik, have met Spencer?

Nina: "The Tan-o was so magical. If Phyllis can do half as much with Charlies"  What, she's going to get rid of the customers?

Liz has so moved on from Franco. Scot and Cameron miss him more than she does.

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44 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Who put the 50 gallons of ice cream into Nina's freezer/ What happened to all of the other groceries that were delivered? Why did Nina not notice this when she paid her bills?

Nina is rich. She won't notice if $1K is debited from her bank account or on her credit card. She probably has an accountant taking care of this for her anyway.

46 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Liz has so moved on from Franco. Scot and Cameron miss him more than she does.

In her defense, she gets to cross paths with him at the hospital on a daily basis.

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Alexis's coat was gorgeous. I love a buffalo/Rob Roy plaid.

Plenty of people don't serve their entire sentence, so even though Alexis was pardoned and not paroled, she's not exactly an outlier. I hope Dante telling her to ditch the guilt works, because it's a drag to watch her wear the hair shirt.

LOL at Trina's reaction to Joss and Cam having sex. It's a big deal for the people having sex, not their friends, Joss. Good lord, she's self-involved. No surprise, I know.

Joss: "We're in college! We're adults!" Trina, skeptically: "I guess..." Hee.

2 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Best moment: Scot slipping Cameron a condom in a handshake.

Scott may be a blustery doofus most of the time, but he's a pretty good grandfather.

24 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Nina: "The Tan-o was so magical. If Phyllis can do half as much with Charlies"  What, she's going to get rid of the customers?

*snerk* It's hilarious they're painting Charlie's as hanging on by a thread when it's always had a good clientele. Julian knew what he was doing.

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Uh, are we supposed to be in Sweeps week? Because omg NOTHING is of interest is happening.

And how much time passed between Lenny dying and the Tan-O burned down? Phyllis made it sound like it was months, and I was under the impression the fire was a day or two after the funeral.

And to repeat - nothing of interest is happening to anyone. And that most definitely includes the Joss/Cam are-they-going-to-have-sex storyline. Because I just don't care about their relationship.

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1 hour ago, Daisy said:

why are these people living in campus when they live in town?

This.  Why waste the money on residence if you don't have to.  

 

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

Nik flew from Elizabeth's to kelly's

  My dd asked how it was possible for him to get there so fast.  I'm going to fanwank it that Liz's house is next door to Kelly's.  

 

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

What, she's going to get rid of the customers?

LOL!!  Yes and she'll get rid of any lighting or anything that gives it any kind of personality.  

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1 hour ago, Daisy said:

Nina. girl get over Sonny. Shawn is kinda flirty with her so it's nice. (if you know if I cared about Shawn). 

I can get behind that pairing.  If he stops with all the self righteousness and gets involved in, oh I don’t know, ANYTHING BESIDES HAYDEN I think I can like Shawn.

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

So....did they drop the Trina father thing again?

Seems that way.  Also, last we saw of Jordan, Curtis was still having conflicted feelings but it seems now he’s all in with Portia.  

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

I do not care about the Man in the Hat.  

I only care because at least it’s something not related to Sonny/Carly show.  YET.

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Best moment: Scot slipping Cameron a condom in a handshake.

Loved it.  Cam doesn’t really have any male role models so it’s nice that Scotty is there for him.

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